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		<title>By: leveymg</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/10/disentangling-torture-tapegate/#comment-84849</link>
		<dc:creator>leveymg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry -

The US Attorney’s letter in Moussaoui case regarding the 3 interrogation tapes located by CIA, claims none touch on 9/11.

Assuming the USA's letter is accurate, THESE AREN'T THE SAME TAPES of interrogations that were "destroyed".  Or, else, we are expected to believe that Zubaydah and al-Nasiri weren't interrogated about 9/11?  Doesn't add up.


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/20071207_intel_letter.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry -</p>
<p>The US Attorney’s letter in Moussaoui case regarding the 3 interrogation tapes located by CIA, claims none touch on 9/11.</p>
<p>Assuming the USA&#8217;s letter is accurate, THESE AREN&#8217;T THE SAME TAPES of interrogations that were &#8220;destroyed&#8221;.  Or, else, we are expected to believe that Zubaydah and al-Nasiri weren&#8217;t interrogated about 9/11?  Doesn&#8217;t add up.</p>
<p><a href="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/20071207_intel_letter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/20071207_intel_letter.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/10/disentangling-torture-tapegate/#comment-80894</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.Murder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gang of Four- Principals, Chairs?

Gnag of Four- Chairs, Ranking members after the Chairs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gang of Four- Principals, Chairs?</p>
<p>Gnag of Four- Chairs, Ranking members after the Chairs?</p>
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		<title>By: Nellie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/10/disentangling-torture-tapegate/#comment-80532</link>
		<dc:creator>Nellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You - Now its clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank You - Now its clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Something Bout Those destroyed CIA Tapes - Political Hotwire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Something Bout Those destroyed CIA Tapes - Political Hotwire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  I know this is tough to keep straight. Enjoy the timeline: Disentangling Torture TapeGate : NO QUARTER    __________________ Thomas did not believe the resurrection [John 20:25], and, as they say, would [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  I know this is tough to keep straight. Enjoy the timeline: Disentangling Torture TapeGate : NO QUARTER    __________________ Thomas did not believe the resurrection [John 20:25], and, as they say, would [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Praedor Atrebates</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/10/disentangling-torture-tapegate/#comment-80392</link>
		<dc:creator>Praedor Atrebates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear you have created a monstrous picture in my mind that will be hard to remove:

Bush and Cheney, each alone late at night, watching elicit videos of torture sessions, their skin glistening with sweat from sexual excitement.  

I imagine Cheney gives quite the workout to his robotic heart during these sessions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear you have created a monstrous picture in my mind that will be hard to remove:</p>
<p>Bush and Cheney, each alone late at night, watching elicit videos of torture sessions, their skin glistening with sweat from sexual excitement.  </p>
<p>I imagine Cheney gives quite the workout to his robotic heart during these sessions.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/10/disentangling-torture-tapegate/#comment-80241</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Bushco's contempt for the rule of law"

http://www.asil.org/insights/2005/07/insights050707.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bushco&#8217;s contempt for the rule of law&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.asil.org/insights/2005/07/insights050707.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.asil.org/insights/2005/07/insights050707.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: nicteis</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/10/disentangling-torture-tapegate/#comment-80167</link>
		<dc:creator>nicteis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A small correction: I believe the top two members of the intelligence committees constitute the "gang of four".  The "gang of eight" is those people, plus the House speaker and minority leader, and the majority and minority leaders of the Senate.

By statute, as I understand it, the gang of eight is supposed to be operationally informed of various undercover operations. In several cases, including this one, the Bush admin decided to ignore the law and inform only the gang of four. 

One more, relatively minor, instance of Bushco's contempt for the rule of law. (In many other cases, of course, they chose to ignore the law and inform no one.) Still, we should keep the story straight rather than letting them off the hook by eliding the numbers four and eight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A small correction: I believe the top two members of the intelligence committees constitute the &#8220;gang of four&#8221;.  The &#8220;gang of eight&#8221; is those people, plus the House speaker and minority leader, and the majority and minority leaders of the Senate.</p>
<p>By statute, as I understand it, the gang of eight is supposed to be operationally informed of various undercover operations. In several cases, including this one, the Bush admin decided to ignore the law and inform only the gang of four. </p>
<p>One more, relatively minor, instance of Bushco&#8217;s contempt for the rule of law. (In many other cases, of course, they chose to ignore the law and inform no one.) Still, we should keep the story straight rather than letting them off the hook by eliding the numbers four and eight.</p>
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		<title>By: Buck Naked Politics</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/10/disentangling-torture-tapegate/#comment-80071</link>
		<dc:creator>Buck Naked Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;CIA Lawyers Authorized Destruction of Tapes?:  The Plot Thickens  (Updated)...&lt;/strong&gt;

Posted by Damozel (photo by zimpenfish) &#124; A senior intelligence offiicial, sympathetic to designated scapegoat Jose Rodriguez, says that the CIA's own lawyers gave written approval to the destruction in 2005 of the interrogation tapes. Lawyers within ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>CIA Lawyers Authorized Destruction of Tapes?:  The Plot Thickens  (Updated)&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Posted by Damozel (photo by zimpenfish) | A senior intelligence offiicial, sympathetic to designated scapegoat Jose Rodriguez, says that the CIA&#8217;s own lawyers gave written approval to the destruction in 2005 of the interrogation tapes. Lawyers within &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thinker</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/10/disentangling-torture-tapegate/#comment-79910</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankyou retired, Mr M, Abnormal for adding a power to Larry's excellent article.

Mr M always tells me, us to &lt;em&gt;connect the dots&lt;/em&gt;. I think its time for another of those connections. Terrorism, torture, suicide bombing, mass killing, nuclear bombing. Time to join those dots. As always I do it from a deeper level, the soul level.

Terrorism is unfair because it targets nameless victims. The attack is all important. The resulting damage is arbitary.

Torture is unfair because it targets the presumed guilty and possibly innocent. Though the appologists talk of value added interogation (i.e. we know so much, but torture gets us a little more), torture does not work any better than humane methods of interogation. Those who are being tortured are just as, or perhaps more, likely (- if they "know" they are going to die) to pass dud information. Torture is nothing more than a standard. The resulting damage is arbitary.

Suicide bombing is where a non US human being has the sole intent on killing or maiming. The suicide bomber aims to be one of the "victims" to avoid social revenge.

Mass killings are where a US human being (probably young) enters a shopping mall or school, aims to kill or maim as many who present an easy target. The mass killer is always one of the "victims" to avoid social revenge.

A nuclear suicide bomber is...........?

Run out of time. I shall continue these thought under seperate appropiate thread</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou retired, Mr M, Abnormal for adding a power to Larry&#8217;s excellent article.</p>
<p>Mr M always tells me, us to <em>connect the dots</em>. I think its time for another of those connections. Terrorism, torture, suicide bombing, mass killing, nuclear bombing. Time to join those dots. As always I do it from a deeper level, the soul level.</p>
<p>Terrorism is unfair because it targets nameless victims. The attack is all important. The resulting damage is arbitary.</p>
<p>Torture is unfair because it targets the presumed guilty and possibly innocent. Though the appologists talk of value added interogation (i.e. we know so much, but torture gets us a little more), torture does not work any better than humane methods of interogation. Those who are being tortured are just as, or perhaps more, likely (- if they &#8220;know&#8221; they are going to die) to pass dud information. Torture is nothing more than a standard. The resulting damage is arbitary.</p>
<p>Suicide bombing is where a non US human being has the sole intent on killing or maiming. The suicide bomber aims to be one of the &#8220;victims&#8221; to avoid social revenge.</p>
<p>Mass killings are where a US human being (probably young) enters a shopping mall or school, aims to kill or maim as many who present an easy target. The mass killer is always one of the &#8220;victims&#8221; to avoid social revenge.</p>
<p>A nuclear suicide bomber is&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..?</p>
<p>Run out of time. I shall continue these thought under seperate appropiate thread</p>
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		<title>By: Are the Kiriakou revelations disinformation? &#171; Mercury Rising 鳯女</title>
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		<dc:creator>Are the Kiriakou revelations disinformation? &#171; Mercury Rising 鳯女</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a whistleblower stepping forward with great new revelations. But the interview left me uneasy. As I commented at No Quarter: There were elements of Kiriakou’s story that gave me pause. 1. He waffled on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a whistleblower stepping forward with great new revelations. But the interview left me uneasy. As I commented at No Quarter: There were elements of Kiriakou’s story that gave me pause. 1. He waffled on [...]</p>
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