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		<title>By: AMERICAN NONSENSE &#187; Do You Believe Kiriakou?</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/11/waterboarding-and-torture/#comment-82580</link>
		<dc:creator>AMERICAN NONSENSE &#187; Do You Believe Kiriakou?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] any evidence at all that Kiriakou is telling the truth. &#160;Larry Johnson has already expressed his doubt that Kiriakou is telling the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: reggie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/11/waterboarding-and-torture/#comment-81917</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://legofesto.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Waterboarding: Charlie Don't Surf&lt;/a&gt;

'Malcolm Nance, an advisor on terrorism to the US departments of Homeland Security, Special Operations and Intelligence, publicly denounced the practice. He revealed that waterboarding is used in training at the US Navy's Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School in San Diego, and claimed to have witnessed and supervised "hundreds" of waterboarding exercises. Although these last only a few minutes and take place under medical supervision, he concluded that "waterboarding is a torture technique – period".

&lt;strong&gt;The practice involves strapping the person being interrogated on to a board as pints of water are forced into his lungs through a cloth covering his face while the victim's mouth is forced open. Its effect, according to Mr Nance, is a process of slow-motion suffocation.

Typically, a victim goes into hysterics on the board as water fills his lungs. "How much the victim is to drown," Mr Nance wrote in an article for the Small Wars Journal, "depends on the desired result and the obstinacy of the subject.

"A team doctor watches the quantity of water that is ingested and for the physiological signs which show when the drowning effect goes from painful psychological experience to horrific, suffocating punishment, to the final death spiral. For the uninitiated, it is horrifying to watch."'
&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://legofesto.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Waterboarding: Charlie Don&#8217;t Surf</a></p>
<p>&#8216;Malcolm Nance, an advisor on terrorism to the US departments of Homeland Security, Special Operations and Intelligence, publicly denounced the practice. He revealed that waterboarding is used in training at the US Navy&#8217;s Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School in San Diego, and claimed to have witnessed and supervised &#8220;hundreds&#8221; of waterboarding exercises. Although these last only a few minutes and take place under medical supervision, he concluded that &#8220;waterboarding is a torture technique – period&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>The practice involves strapping the person being interrogated on to a board as pints of water are forced into his lungs through a cloth covering his face while the victim&#8217;s mouth is forced open. Its effect, according to Mr Nance, is a process of slow-motion suffocation.</p>
<p>Typically, a victim goes into hysterics on the board as water fills his lungs. &#8220;How much the victim is to drown,&#8221; Mr Nance wrote in an article for the Small Wars Journal, &#8220;depends on the desired result and the obstinacy of the subject.</p>
<p>&#8220;A team doctor watches the quantity of water that is ingested and for the physiological signs which show when the drowning effect goes from painful psychological experience to horrific, suffocating punishment, to the final death spiral. For the uninitiated, it is horrifying to watch.&#8221;&#8216;<br />
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		<title>By: Mr.Murder</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The Dread Pirate Bin Laden


How thinking of terrorists as pirates can help win the war on terror."


By Douglas R. Burgess Jr.
http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/July-August-2005/feature_burgess_julaug05.msp

&lt;blockquote&gt;"INTERNATIONAL LAW LACKS A DEFINITION FOR TERRORISM as a crime. According to Secretary General Kofi Annan, this lack has hampered "the moral authority of the United Nations and its strength in condemning" the scourge. 

But attempts to provide a definition have failed because of terrorists' strangely hybrid status in the law. They are neither ordinary criminals nor recognized state actors, so there is almost no international or domestic law dealing with them. This gives an out to countries that harbor terrorists and declare them "freedom fighters." It also lets the United States flout its own constitutional safeguards by holding suspects captive indefinitely at Guantánamo Bay. The overall situation is, in a word, anarchic. 

...

Coming up with such a framework would perhaps seem impossible, except that one already exists. Dusty and anachronistic, perhaps, but viable all the same. More than 2,000 years ago, Marcus Tullius Cicero defined pirates in Roman law as hostis humani generis, "enemies of the human race." From that day until now, pirates have held a unique status in the law as international criminals subject to universal jurisdiction—meaning that they may be captured wherever they are found, by any person who finds them. The ongoing war against pirates is the only known example of state vs. nonstate conflict until the advent of the war on terror, and its history is long and notable. More important, there are enormous potential benefits of applying this legal definition to contemporary terrorism. 

AT FIRST GLANCE, THE CORRELATION BETWEEN PIRACY AND TERRORISM seems a stretch. Yet much of the basis of this skepticism can be traced to romantic and inaccurate notions about piracy. An examination of the actual history of the crime reveals startling, even astonishing, parallels to contemporary international terrorism. Viewed in its proper historical context, piracy emerges as a clear and powerful precedent. "&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Read this today in a football archive that links the above story.


International law has quite a precedent in dealing with piracy, even in addressing state sponsorship of those acting outside borders...
&lt;blockquote&gt;"This was codified explicitly in the 1856 Declaration of Paris, and it has been reiterated as a guiding principle of piracy law ever since. Ironically, it is the very effectiveness of this criminalization that has marginalized piracy and made it seem an arcane and almost romantic offense. &lt;b&gt;Pirates no longer terrorize the seas because a concerted effort among the European states in the 19th century almost eradicated them&lt;/b&gt;. It is just such a concerted effort that all states must now undertake against terrorists, until the crime of terrorism becomes as remote and obsolete as piracy." &lt;/blockquote&gt;

This matches every demand we have in dealing with the topic at this time:
&lt;blockquote&gt;If the war on terror becomes akin to war against the pirates, however, the situation would change. First, the crime of terrorism would be defined and proscribed internationally, and terrorists would be properly understood as enemies of all states. This legal status carries significant advantages, chief among them the possibility of universal jurisdiction. Terrorists, as hostis humani generis, could be captured wherever they were found, by anyone who found them. Pirates are currently the only form of criminals subject to this special jurisdiction. 

Second, &lt;strong&gt;this definition would deter states from harboring terrorists on the grounds that they are "freedom fighters" by providing an objective distinction in law between legitimate insurgency and outright terrorism.&lt;/strong&gt; This same objective definition could, conversely, also &lt;em&gt;deter states from cracking down on political dissidents as "terrorists,"&lt;/em&gt; as both Russia and China have done against their dissidents. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Imagine that, by adhering tot he International Court we could actually strenghthen and reinforce Democracy. Something George W. Bush is more than pleased claim is his vision, like Johnny Appleseed, tossing Napalm, White Phosphorous, Rendition and Torture, anti personnel minds packaged similar to various  relief items, and targeting of civilians all over the world. Like some legendary good tidings from am an in burlap with fruity presents for every village he wanders upon.

It takes a Village Idiot. Burlap would make fine clothing for the Boy King, seeing as now the Emporer Wears No Clothes...

Alas, all the logic that could propel such prosecution of terror is disabled by Bushco. and its policy in protecting certain persons such as Mr.Kissinger:

&lt;blockquote&gt;"Third, and perhaps most important, &lt;strong&gt;nations that now balk at assisting the United States in the war on terror might have fewer reservations if terrorism were defined as an international crime that could be prosecuted before the International Criminal Court&lt;/strong&gt;." &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Et tu, AWOL?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Dread Pirate Bin Laden</p>
<p>How thinking of terrorists as pirates can help win the war on terror.&#8221;</p>
<p>By Douglas R. Burgess Jr.<br />
<a href="http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/July-August-2005/feature_burgess_julaug05.msp" rel="nofollow">http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/July-August-2005/feature_burgess_julaug05.msp</a></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;INTERNATIONAL LAW LACKS A DEFINITION FOR TERRORISM as a crime. According to Secretary General Kofi Annan, this lack has hampered &#8220;the moral authority of the United Nations and its strength in condemning&#8221; the scourge. </p>
<p>But attempts to provide a definition have failed because of terrorists&#8217; strangely hybrid status in the law. They are neither ordinary criminals nor recognized state actors, so there is almost no international or domestic law dealing with them. This gives an out to countries that harbor terrorists and declare them &#8220;freedom fighters.&#8221; It also lets the United States flout its own constitutional safeguards by holding suspects captive indefinitely at Guantánamo Bay. The overall situation is, in a word, anarchic. </p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Coming up with such a framework would perhaps seem impossible, except that one already exists. Dusty and anachronistic, perhaps, but viable all the same. More than 2,000 years ago, Marcus Tullius Cicero defined pirates in Roman law as hostis humani generis, &#8220;enemies of the human race.&#8221; From that day until now, pirates have held a unique status in the law as international criminals subject to universal jurisdiction—meaning that they may be captured wherever they are found, by any person who finds them. The ongoing war against pirates is the only known example of state vs. nonstate conflict until the advent of the war on terror, and its history is long and notable. More important, there are enormous potential benefits of applying this legal definition to contemporary terrorism. </p>
<p>AT FIRST GLANCE, THE CORRELATION BETWEEN PIRACY AND TERRORISM seems a stretch. Yet much of the basis of this skepticism can be traced to romantic and inaccurate notions about piracy. An examination of the actual history of the crime reveals startling, even astonishing, parallels to contemporary international terrorism. Viewed in its proper historical context, piracy emerges as a clear and powerful precedent. &#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>Read this today in a football archive that links the above story.</p>
<p>International law has quite a precedent in dealing with piracy, even in addressing state sponsorship of those acting outside borders&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;This was codified explicitly in the 1856 Declaration of Paris, and it has been reiterated as a guiding principle of piracy law ever since. Ironically, it is the very effectiveness of this criminalization that has marginalized piracy and made it seem an arcane and almost romantic offense. <b>Pirates no longer terrorize the seas because a concerted effort among the European states in the 19th century almost eradicated them</b>. It is just such a concerted effort that all states must now undertake against terrorists, until the crime of terrorism becomes as remote and obsolete as piracy.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>This matches every demand we have in dealing with the topic at this time:</p>
<blockquote><p>If the war on terror becomes akin to war against the pirates, however, the situation would change. First, the crime of terrorism would be defined and proscribed internationally, and terrorists would be properly understood as enemies of all states. This legal status carries significant advantages, chief among them the possibility of universal jurisdiction. Terrorists, as hostis humani generis, could be captured wherever they were found, by anyone who found them. Pirates are currently the only form of criminals subject to this special jurisdiction. </p>
<p>Second, <strong>this definition would deter states from harboring terrorists on the grounds that they are &#8220;freedom fighters&#8221; by providing an objective distinction in law between legitimate insurgency and outright terrorism.</strong> This same objective definition could, conversely, also <em>deter states from cracking down on political dissidents as &#8220;terrorists,&#8221;</em> as both Russia and China have done against their dissidents. </p></blockquote>
<p>Imagine that, by adhering tot he International Court we could actually strenghthen and reinforce Democracy. Something George W. Bush is more than pleased claim is his vision, like Johnny Appleseed, tossing Napalm, White Phosphorous, Rendition and Torture, anti personnel minds packaged similar to various  relief items, and targeting of civilians all over the world. Like some legendary good tidings from am an in burlap with fruity presents for every village he wanders upon.</p>
<p>It takes a Village Idiot. Burlap would make fine clothing for the Boy King, seeing as now the Emporer Wears No Clothes&#8230;</p>
<p>Alas, all the logic that could propel such prosecution of terror is disabled by Bushco. and its policy in protecting certain persons such as Mr.Kissinger:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Third, and perhaps most important, <strong>nations that now balk at assisting the United States in the war on terror might have fewer reservations if terrorism were defined as an international crime that could be prosecuted before the International Criminal Court</strong>.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>Et tu, AWOL?</p>
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		<title>By: Buck Naked Politics</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/11/waterboarding-and-torture/#comment-80507</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;More on the John Kiriakou Interview and "Enhanced Interrogation"...&lt;/strong&gt;

Posted by Damozel &#124; According to ABC News, the CIA is pretty upset with John Kiriakou. (ABC) They reportedly aren't going to prosecute him for revealing classified information, cooler heads having prevailed, but that doesn't mean they aren't upset a...</description>
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<p>Posted by Damozel | According to ABC News, the CIA is pretty upset with John Kiriakou. (ABC) They reportedly aren&#8217;t going to prosecute him for revealing classified information, cooler heads having prevailed, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they aren&#8217;t upset a&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Retired</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/11/waterboarding-and-torture/#comment-80480</link>
		<dc:creator>Retired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an interested write up on this topic, see:
 http://thespywhobilledme.com/the_spy_who_billed_me/2007/05/outsourced_dirt.html

from the May 2007 archives of The Spy Who Billed Me website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an interested write up on this topic, see:<br />
 <a href="http://thespywhobilledme.com/the_spy_who_billed_me/2007/05/outsourced_dirt.html" rel="nofollow">http://thespywhobilledme.com/the_spy_who_billed_me/2007/05/outsourced_dirt.html</a></p>
<p>from the May 2007 archives of The Spy Who Billed Me website.</p>
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		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/11/waterboarding-and-torture/#comment-80468</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Retired</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/12/11/waterboarding-and-torture/#comment-80430</link>
		<dc:creator>Retired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Leaked footage?"  Is that some type of pun?  This is an obvious fabrication.  Come on, if you guys are going to fake something, you can do better than that.  Another red pill moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Leaked footage?&#8221;  Is that some type of pun?  This is an obvious fabrication.  Come on, if you guys are going to fake something, you can do better than that.  Another red pill moment.</p>
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		<title>By: reggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>reggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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