UPDATED: Protestors to Clinton: “Iron My Shirt”
By NoQuarter on January 7, 2008 at 9:42 PM in Clinton, Women and Children
JUST IN! GET IT WHILE SUPPLIES LAST! Here’s the very latest in misogynistic expression that’s “Made In the U.S.A.”:
Me? I’d rather send that $24.99 to Emily’s List, which supports pro-choice women candidates across the country.
ORIGINAL: “Protesters ask Clinton to iron shirts,” A.P./Yahoo News:
Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign stop was interrupted on Monday when two men stood in the crowd and began screaming, “Iron my shirt!” during one the New York senator’s final appearances before New Hampshire voters cast primary ballots Tuesday. [...]
“Ah, the remnants of sexism — alive and well,” Clinton said to applause in a school auditorium.
The two men were removed from the hall after raising a pair of signs that said, “iron my shirt!” They also shouted the same slogan. [...]
The overflow crowd burst into applause and some began shouting, “Iron my shirt” as the two were taken from the hall.
“As I think has been abundantly demonstrated, I am also running to break through the highest and hardest glass ceiling,” she said.
The United States ranks 67th in the world in the number of women it has elected to office — between Zimbabwe and Turkistan, according to BBC World News.
Will we ever come to grips with the rampant sexism still alive in this country, and how it punishes women through lower wages, fewer opportunities, stereotypes, sexual assaults, and lost dreams? Will we ever let women be who they really are, instead of forcing them to be twice as good to get half as far, while expecting them to be simultaneously smart and sexy, tough enough to issue an order to a general while sweet enough to charm your socks off? Let me tell you a couple stories:
I was fortunate to be selected to be a page in the Washington state legislature. But I’ll never forget the hand of the white-haired senator who fondled and pinched my rearend in the elevator. And I’ll never forget how, back then, it never dawned on me to complain to anyone — because we women didn’t complaint about such abuse back then. It scarred me, and I dwelled on it, but there was no relief for me.
There was nowhere to complain back then. Now, I could complain. Now, I could get action. Hell, I perhaps could even sue if I wanted to. I might even end the senator’s career. These days.
So how did we get from “those days” to “these days” — even as imperfect as they are? Especially in the United States?
We got there in good part because of women like the courageous feminists who spoke out, and through women like Hillary Clinton and me, who began to speak up and demand change.
It blows my mind that young women, these days, have so little awareness of just how far we’ve come. They don’t know how hard it was.
They haven’t heard, like I did, young men at one of the nation’s top universities say that what a certain uptight female student needed was a “good rape.” They haven’t heard, like I did, the men at an Esalen Institute weekend seminar brag about how they’d held one inhibited woman down and forcibly had sex with her to get her to loosen up. They haven’t heard, like I did, that it was unfortunate that I wrote “like a woman.”
Hillary Clinton knows. She remembers. What’s so incredible about her is that she has never let it stop her. Even when they call her a “bitch” and a “lesbian” and every other name in the book. But she remembers. Oh yes she does:
Growing up, there were sports we couldn’t play, schools we couldn’t attend, and jobs that essentially had a “men only” sign on them.
As an eighth grader I was captivated by space-travel. I wrote to NASA asking how to apply to be an astronaut — they wrote back explaining that these positions weren’t open to women. Well today, Iowa’s own Peggy Whitson has been appointed the first female Commander of the International Space Station.
Years later, when I was deciding where I wanted to attend law school, I was coolly informed by a Harvard Law professor, and I quote, “We don’t need any more women at Harvard.” So I went to Yale. [laughter] And my entering class at Yale Law School — where I decided to go instead — had 235 students, of whom just 27 were women.
Today, women are the majority of students in law schools. As a young lawyer, when I told a colleague that I might want to practice courtroom law, he replied that, that was impossible, because I didn’t have a wife. … Read more of her speech on “WOMEN’S RIGHTS: Mary Louise Smith Lecture at the Catt Center for Women and Politics,” Iowa State University, October 24, 2007
Perhaps that is why she spoke out so courageously — with such rich anger — for women in Beijing in 1995:
“HILLARY CLINTON, IN CHINA, DETAILS ABUSE OF WOMEN“:
Speaking more forcefully on human rights than any American dignitary has on Chinese soil, Hillary Rodham Clinton catalogued a devastating litany of abuse that has afflicted women around the world today and criticized China for seeking to limit free and open discussion of women’s issues here.
“It is time for us to say here in Beijing, and the world to hear, that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women’s rights as separate from human rights,” Mrs. Clinton told the Fourth World Conference on Women assembled here.
“It is a violation of human rights when babies are denied food, or drowned, or suffocated, or their spines broken, simply because they are born girls,” Mrs. Clinton said, or “when women and girls are sold into slavery or prostitution for human greed.
“It is a violation of human rights when women are doused with gasoline, set on fire and burned to death because their marriage dowries are deemed too small” she continued, or “when thousands of women are raped in their own communities and when thousands of women are subjected to rape as a tactic or prize of war.”
While her comments concerned abuses that have taken place around the world — the burning of brides occurs in India for example, and rape has most recently been a tactic of war in Bosnia — her words took on a special resonance here in China, where the Administration has muted its public criticism of human rights abuses and is struggling to patch up frayed political relations.
China has been widely criticized for forcing women to be sterilized or have abortions as part of its policy of one child per family, and there are wide reports of female infanticide by parents who want a son. [...]
Mrs. Clinton’s gravity and directness seemed to please both Democratic and Republican members of the United States delegation here, and thus the speech may trump the political disputes that have plagued both Mrs. Clinton’s decision to travel here and the Administration’s approach to China.
She delivered her remarks after joining hundreds of delegates in a morning workshop on “women and health security.”
Addressing the full conference in the afternoon, Mrs. Clinton expanded on a theme that Pakistan’s Prime Minister, Benazir Bhutto, raised on Monday when she told the delegates that violence against women thrives when there is a “crisis of silence and acquiescence.”
As Mrs. Clinton recited her litany from the podium, many delegates applauded, some cheered and others pounded the tables.
Continuing with references to domestic violence, genital mutilation, coercive abortions and sterilizations, Mrs. Clinton told the delegates from more than 180 countries, “If there is one message that echoes forth from this conference, let it be that human rights are women’s rights and women’s rights are human rights, once and for all.” …
She can do more than iron shirts. Can’t she.
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Amen to this, Susan. I’m not supporting HRC in the primaries, but I’m getting tempted to vote for her just because of the rampant sexism she faces.
This country seems way more ready to elect an African American man than it does a woman of any color.
I understand this impulse, but it strikes me as a very poor basis on which to choose a national president.
Shirin, I’m not saying I will vote for her. But boy, it’s tempting. You know, I’ve really pretty much put aside my anger at the systemic discrimination that women face and that I’ve had to deal with all my life, but sometimes it really does come back to me, and I’m pissed off all over again.
No one has epitomized the unconscious, ignorant, elitist, nose-in-the-air attitude against women in this country more “anon,” whose long-winded, ugly, sexist attitude is spewed throughout below.
Note my use of the adjective unconscious. I tell thee verily, women and conscious men: They who are sexist do not know what it is they do.
I agree with you. Frankly, I’m sick of men aligning themselves with other men, and as a woman we’re supposed to be above doing that? Hillary is not just any woman, she’s had years fighting for women’s rights. Plus, I can’t think of any of the men candidates who would defend a woman’s reproduction right more than another woman would. As Hillary said, it’s personal. Sexism is the dirty little ism that is running uncontested in this country. Thanks to Hillary’s candidacy it’s being pushed out into the open.
I am with you. I would have really like to get completely behind Hillary of Obama. Their stances on diplomacy with Iran were not clear enough for me. I want an anti “unnecessary” war candidate
that probably has something to do with the fact that this particular woman is insincere, untrustworthy, and manipulative. i’d love to see a woman in office, but i don’t even think hillary is human. in the same way that the contents of her knickers shouldn’t disqualify her from executive office, neither do they qualify her for it. i’m not voting for hillary because i’m not interested in having a president who is prone to triangulation and motivated by self-interest.
race and gender are the least of the differences between clinton and obama, whose entire campaign is about sincerity, honesty, and transparency– anthemas to the clinton machine.
Hillary is human. You’re just a knee jerk
Hill-hater whose buying into rightwing myths, but you’re only human.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385×82277
you’re right. a politician with a vagina could not possibly be imperfect in any way. the only reason to oppose such a candidate must be ignorance and sexism.
man, please stop surfing the second wave.
i guess the problem with judging people by the content of their character is that when their character is questionable, they have to be responsible for it.
Do you think you could be even a little bit specific (or even factual and correct?) Or are you just a swiftboater?
As for perfection, you need to re-read and re-think, and not just knee jerk your Hill-hate. No one said that Hill is perfect, and certainly no one said “a vaginal politician” is perfect. You keep throwing up straw-women, and blood-red herrings. Again, I ask you to be specific, without recounting GOP talking points.
I’m starting to smell a troll. Perhaps you might want to get paid for all the work you are doing, wittingly or unwittingly, for the right wing.
Excuse me, do you know Hillary Clinton personally. Unless you do, I don’t see how you can call her all those names. Insincere and untrustworthy based on what?!! What you’ve read in the press or seen on television?
I would love to find the MSM mute button. This Stephenwolf syndrome is is enough to make anyone tear up.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steppenwolf_(novel)
Steppenwolf …sorry.
I am very curious about the Esalen incident. About when did that happen?
Email me at susanunpc at gmail dot com and i’ll tell you.
This site really was much better before it dived into the election race. I really hope that it moves back to Larry Johnson’s field of expertise soon, which is what made the site something of a center of gravity in the first place.
(News flash, Susan: American women are not “oppressed”. You need to wake up. According to the Department of Labor, 51% of “managerial and professional jobs” nationwide are occupied by women. According to the Department of Education, 51% of university and college students nationwide are women. This is not “oppression”, nor is the massive, multi-billion-dollar-per-annum industry of celebrity commentators and bobbleheads authoring theories of “oppression” of women in the US, which as a nation, dotes more on women and fixates more on women than any other country on Planet Earth bar none. It’s time to grow up. The 1950’s were over, a long time ago.)
You must be a man. How can you so arrogantly assume to know what my life experience has been, or what I have witnessed firsthand?
Anon haven’t I seen you somewhere before? Oops! Was that in the police line-up for my rape?
I am so very sorry for your pain, and wish you the very best.
shut up
that was creepy and obnoxious and uncalled for
finally, i fucking resent you using an act like rape in a pathetic, weak, intellectually crippled attempt to silence any opinion which does not kiss the ass of your sacred ideological cows
you may have felt better typing that at me; on the other hand, you have basically done a disservice to any woman who ever actually had anything serious to say
no, no, not at all; disagreeing with ideological feminism does not create me as a “rapist”
i can disagree with you without being a “rapist”
you are as intellectually weak and dishonest as any of the Israeli boosters who claim that anyone who supports the rights of the innocent Palestinians being brutalized by the Israeli military is “anti-Semitic”. yes, you are at that intellectually weak and dishonest
i am not a “rapist” for disagreeing with you.
Silly bore. Keep going as you only show your true colors the longer you keep on.
ah, yes, “my true colors”! moooahahahahah!!!
True colors, true intellect and ability to argue in an adult fashion. If your arguments ever were relevant this comment shows you are you really are.
finally, susan, i don’t recall in the post you responded to from me, nor do i see in review, anything pertaining to “your life” or “what you have experienced”. and further, being a man is NOT A CRIME NOT A CRIME
i’ve got to learn to love these bastions of sex equality activism who start their conversations with their critics with an immediate condemnation of the critic based on the perceived sex of the critic.
Anon you must be male.
yes i am and the last time i checked that was not a status crime
i am a man and i have an opinion and i can disagree with a woman without being a “rapist” or a “sexist” or any of the other silence-you words and phrases used by some women who are caught up in the mythologized version of the American feminist struggle.
i am a man with a mind and an education and i can think, reason, speak aloud without shame or disgrace, and i am not a “rapist” for it.
being a man is NOT a crime, nor a shame or disgrace, and i am not going to be silenced and dismissed by creepy, weak dodges to points i make. i refuse to be silenced, and i am unafraid of empty condemnation, because i can think for myself and i have the mental fortitude not to let cheap shots or creepy little moves get me down
What you can’t do is know what is to be a woman and to face the challenges that a woman faces. Why pretend that you can? Opinions, sure why not? But based on what?
anon as one male to another i would like to urge you to shut the fuck up. your ranting and raving has revealed not only a very weak mind but a wide mysgonistic streak. i suspect you often have problems with females in your life dont you … i bet you frequently just have to straignten them out … hey.
yeah, dude, you’re right: being a man isn’t a crime. neither is being an apologist for the patriarchy. it’s just that one of those things is intensely foolish and depends on a profound amount of denial.
what do you gain by refuting the idea that sexism directed at women still exists in this country? certainly boys and men face a distinct set of issues of our own, and certainly the status of women has evolved significantly in the last half century, but that doesn’t change the fact that sex-based discrimination still happens across the nation.
your god damned right i’m a man! and i need make no apology to you, or any other, for it!
And you were born of woman. Try to get along without us.
Anon said:”This site really was much better before it dived into the election race. I really hope that it moves back to Larry Johnson’s field of expertise soon, which is what made the site something of a center of gravity in the first place.”
Because we don’t want someone like Larry Johnson commenting about elections when we can have pundits and pundidiots like Chris Matthews, Tucker Carlson, Glenn Beck, Lou Dobbs, Wolf Blitzer, Bill O’Reilly and on and on and on. You would think you’d be glad to hear some honest commentary and opinions that are backed up with FACTS!
“the US, which as a nation, dotes more on women and fixates more on women than any other country on Planet Earth bar none”
Uh, that’s MOST OF THE PROBLEM. The women I know DON’T WANT to be “doted on.”
Not OPPRESSED; NOR on a PEDESTAL.
I should have thought that was obvious.
You blindly and simplistically quote statistics to bolster your argument, feeling somehow no one can argue with NUMBERS, ignoring the realities of what women are telling you.
And you do this because you are, at heart, a misogynist, perhaps because of your mother, usually the case.
The greater point being, men who think like you are now running our government, and our wars, and we’re losing, catastrophically.
I just do not have the patience anymore, listening to stupid men whine from the depths of their injured little souls, so full of self hatred, so lacking in introspection.
HTH
Really, enough of the “oppression” canard. Women in this society are doted on and feminism is a multi-billion-dollar cottage industry spanning the entire mass media and academia, too. There are extremely well-paid women now who have never had to hold a real jobs in their lives whose entire careers are spent authoring theories of “oppression” of women while sipping fine champagne. Enough of the mythology already. Again, the 1950’s are over.
What venomous lies.
did you care to actually qualify anything you wrote in response, or are you personally comfortable with vague dismissals, so long as they seem embraced by an irrational crowd around you?
in other words, susan, i can call you names, or say you are making “venemous lies”, but unless i actually make a concrete argument, i haven’t actually done anything real.
did you actually have a response? in your idiotic post, you claimed “limited opportunities for women”. i pointed out to you that women are now *the majority of university and college students nationwide according to the DOE* (venemous lie? it’s a fucking government statistic!) and i pointed out to you that *the majority of “professional and managerial jobs” nationwide are held by women according to the DOL (venemous lie? it’s a fucking government statistic!) did you have some sort of actual real concrete response or did to those actual real facts or did you just want to say something nasty?
really, susan. go ahead and prove that the majority of “professional and managerial positions” nationwide are not held by women, I dare you. PS, the Department of Labor disagrees with you.
oh, the pain, such “venemous lies”! the venom! ooh! the lies! ow!
to be clear to everyone, i support real feminism (the betty friedan and martha nussbaum variety; yes, i’ve read those books; no, most of you haven’t) and i support unquestioned reproductive freedome, voting rights, anti-discrimination laws for the workplace, and academia, and affirmative action programs for engineering, science, and business, in the schools. i firmly support a Western European quasi-socialist governmental approach to day care, education, and subsidizing of the hard work women do as home makers and mothers.
and i tell you, the 1950’s are over, and women in America are only as oppressed as the nearest voting booth, school, or job, all of which are quite open. women have, largely, achieved parity with men today, and this fine thing, but i am tired of the canard of “oppression” which so often these days is simply an idea that is being pushed in the mass media or academia by someone whose income depends on it.
You really are clueless aren’t you? I have daughters and just from that experience, you’re full of it.
Yea, I had to drive 450 miles on 1:30am New Years day to extricate my 18 old daughter from violence. She made out of there ok, but I will be dammed if you think
“Women in this society are doted on and feminism is a multi-billion-dollar cottage industry spanning the entire mass media and academia, too
means women are not beaten, raped, murdered and oppressed by the multi-billion-dollar that seeks to exploit and warp that which you love.
no, i am not clueless.
you clueless? Just anon. Steppenwolf … I am sorry. Shut up? My mom never told me to shut up!
i refuse to be created as a “rapist” for claiming that modern American women are not “oppressed”.
Yes, you are totally clueless. You assume — wrongly — that because the “statistics” show women hold 51% of American jobs that the mere statistic somehow translates into a grand success for feminism.
What kinds of jobs are they? Who holds most of the service jobs in America? Who is still repsonsible for childcare in America, even when she has to hold down a fulltime job, or two jobs? Are you aware that in professional fields women STILL make less than men in the same job??? Are you so out of touch with reality that you aren’t aware that every single woman you have known in your life has been sexually harassed by a teacher or a boss — or both???
Please don’t bore us with your “I’m a man and proud of it!” defenses. All that really matters is whether or not you are an aware and evolved human being. Based on your very first comment in this thread, I have to surmise that you are not.
no, i am not “totally clueless”, and attempting to (especially, inaccurately) insult me will not help us.
personally, yes, i do take that the fact that the majority of professional and managerial jobs nationwide, according to the Department of Labor, translates into a major success for feminism. managerial jobs are by definition alpha positions wherever they are. most bosses in America today are, numerically, women. as for the childcare issue, i believe i made it 10000% clear in a post above that i am 10000% in favor of a Western European approach to child care, which is, to say, a heavily subsidized government regime of transfer payments and taxpayer-provided services to insure that women engaged in childcare are properly supported. i don’t believe that “Hillary Clinton” or any other American presidential candidate besides (male) Dennis Kucinich is actually in favor of such thing, but I understand that such compelling matters of fact in our discussion will be nonsensical and irrelevant trivia to one as likely clouded and reactive as yourself.
and, no, i am not “out of touch with reality” wrt sexual harassment and, yes, there are Federal (Capital-F “Federal”) laws against such a thing.
i am sorry to have bored you, as you stated! if you change the channel, Oprah has a book to sell you, or perhaps Tom Cruise or another celebrity will make an appearance in order to delight and amuse you -
ps if you ever want to have a civil discussion with me perhaps you shouldn’t lead off with an insult. you like reading foreign policy stuff, right? that’s why you’re at this site. foreign policy has to do sometimes with this thing called “diplomacy”, a critical endeavor, and one in which the most serious practitioner will never! ever! begin a dialogue with a seeming adversary with an insult.
Who said anyone here wanted to have a discussion with you? Did I miss that post? You barged in and begin throwing b.s. around like a hyperactive chimpanzee and are now whining because people fought back. Oh, guess all us womenfolks are just supposed to quietly let a MAN pontificate about our lives. Can’t know many “real” women if you thought that.
Anon: you’re a idiot if you don’t think women have had to hoe a very hard road to make it in america.
Where have you been for the last 20 years? Watch the movie Northern Country to get a clue.
( the hoopster thinks he is wasting his time posting about your crap theory )
no i am not an idiot (since when are so many people entitled to insult me to my face just because i don’t kiss the ass of ideological feminism?) and i have been quite well and alive for the last 20 years.
since you don’t have anything real to say (note: i pointed out that the DOL indicates that half or more managerial and professional jobs nationwide are held by women, and you called me an “idiot” for telling you this) i don’t see what it is that i am supposed to respond to for you.
again, to all posters, you are not entitled to insult me just because i disagree with you. come on, i thought we were the mighty “progressives”, better than the eeevvvil republicans, who are the mental midgets or something, but all of sudden, say something that you don’t agree with, and its a food fight. can you actually address what was written, or do you just deem yourself entitled to insult someone who disagrees with you?
maybe that makes you feel better, but, it wouldn’t seem to actually DO anything, to me -
You wouldn’t get so many insults if you had the guts to post under a name - pick one, any one! It’s not hard.
And oh yeah, if you didn’t say such stoopid things.
stupid is spelled with a “u”
and if something i wrote is “stupid”, instead of just calling it names (what’s next, “I know you are, but what am I?”) perhaps you could respond to the statement in question with some sort of actual concrete response beyond “nyeah!” or something. go on, i dare you, say something intelligent.
Irony-impaired much?
Anyone who goes around thumping his chest and loudly bellowing, “I’M A MAN!!!!” obviously has some, uh, issues about said masculinity.
Okay, I’ve read halfway down the thread and I don’t quite understand why you are so angry. I mean, you started off up top angry. And if your are swearing and bullying, it’s not so surprising that others would reply in kind.
That said, women have made great strides since we all went marching those years ago. It is also true that women still make at least 21% less than men in similar positions.
That is not equality and it is certainly not being doted upon.
read what i said again:
Anon: you’re a idiot IF YOU DON’T think women have had to hoe a very hard road to make it in america.
Caps are added..
So in other words i’m calling you an idiot IF you don’t believe that womens rights were a long road and hard fought battle..
If you believe that..then well i didn’t call you an idiot..
My daughters have put up with alot of sexist crap during thier young lives.. Nicole is very pretty and wants to be a farmer..she hears comments all the time that are out of line.. If she was a handsome strapping young man it would be perfectly fine to be a farmer..but not a pretty girl..
What the HELL is that? maybe she should just be ironing shirts for a farmer to make people happy.
Good on your Nicole!!
And went you went to the College of “a little too much fun”?
Next time I pass that way I honk in your honor!
teak:
yes..Sonoma State University and then UC Davis..Just alittle too much fun!!
Both great places.
Who left the pet door up this time?
You’re either a man or insane. Women do have more opportunities than they used to, but most aren’t “doted on”, at least, not for long. Or do you somehow imagine that some asshole shouting “iron my shirts” at a U.S. Senator and Presidential candidate is “doting”? Yes, women often get encouragement from their male colleagues, but they also run into people like this, too. And if that sort of person is a woman’s boss, she isn’t going anywhere no matter how good she is at her job.
Ask yourself this - is there any other reasonable explanation for someone shouting what those men did? What in the world do you think they were protesting? Laundromat prices? Do women shout that sort of things at male candidates for office? If they do, I must have missed that.
you are not entitled to insult men just because you are a woman or a “feminist”. i encourage you to ponder this reality. being a man is not a status crime. you should reflect on that.
Hey jackass - Cujo is a man.
Try again.
you are not entitled to call me “jackass” simply because you (apparently?) disagree with (something?) i wrote.
there seems to be a really dumb crowd on this web site. lots of name calling and food fights.
Don’t see anyone trying to stop you from leaving if you don’t like it here.
This from the poo-flinger.
ps: when did i claim so-and-so WAS a man? i wrote “a woman or a feminist” on purpose. men are feminists, too. hence, my response was gender-agnostic. you should take the trouble to think at least a few seconds about what you read, please, before typing into the little box and clicking “Add comment”.
if i spoke to a feminist and said “either you are a woman or insane” i would be PROMPTLY denounced as a “misogynst” or worse. yet you feel perfectly comfortable making the equivalent sexist (and anti-man!) comment about me. you should pause to consider your double-standards. you didn’t even make a point. you just made a sexist (anti-man) comment that if made against a woman would prompt cries of “misogyny” as if any man you encounter who does not genuflect in front of the graven idol of rigid, ideological feminism is simply deserving of (sexist, anti-man) condemnation and insults.
again, if you think that women are subject to sexism, then perhaps you shouldn’t be sexist and anti-man in addressing someone else.
jack nicholson in “As Good As It Gets”:
woman: “how do you write women so well?”
JN, being a jerk: “I think of a man, and I leave out reason and accountability!”
He was written deliberately as a sexist, misogynst creep.
Cujo359: “Who left the pet door up this time?
You’re either a man or insane.”
Congratulations, Cujo, you managed to be a worse deliberate sexist creep than Jack Nicholson in “As Good As It Gets”. And you didn’t even have a writer trying to make that way on purpose!
Actually, you could be both. I was simply saying what I thought were the minimum requirements. I don’t really consider myself a feminist so much as someone who thinks everyone should be able to rise to the level their abilities take them.
You seem to be very good at insulting people and then whining when they’re uncivil in return. Since this seems to have become a national sport recently, I’m sure you’ll go far.
Just who are these women you speak of. Evidence, please.
I also remember what it was like back then. I was one of the first female laborers building the Alaskan Pipeline in the mid 70’s. I was tall and strong and could swing a pick or work a shovel just as good as the men. I had to work harder to “prove” myself, taking all kinds of incoming remarks along the way that make Imus look like a kindergarten teacher. I got tough and smart and determined. My wages put me though college and grad school. I hoped I would never have to endure that kind of treatment again. Hah! Sad to say the sexism was in academia and the “professional” community especially if women were smarter than their male co-workers.
Things have somewhat changed today, but with what I am seeing with this campaign season, not as much as I thought. I am very discourage that all these young women don’t realize the shoulders they are standing on. They take their perceived equality so for granted that they don’t feel offended by the term “bitch” which high schoolers use now as a form of acknowledgement. They don’t seem to appreciate what the Hillary Clinton campaign is all about. I wasn’t originally a Clinton supporter but have come around especially after all the sexism shown towards her. And from the “liberal” blogs no less. I understand Hillary’s determination and am so impressed she is still standing and fighting.
Stand tall Hillary!
Nice story waiting..
it’s nice to see a stong woman labor in the system to better herself..
Here is a hat tip to you..
Thanks. I am usually a lurker but have been so p*ssed lately I have been starting to speak out.
Me too. I usually lurk because some other poster has said what I was thinking, only said it better. But not on this subject. Not this time. This one is something I know about and have fought all my life. I would be letting myself, my daughter and my 7 granddaughters down if I didn’t jump into this ruckus. Go Susan!
Bless you. Great, inspiring story. Keep posting.
I am not supporting Senator Clinton in the primaries either, but I am also getting close to voting for her because of this crap. Anon, you are a bigoted, sexist idiot. When I graduated from law school 25 years ago and went on job interviews, I was asked if I would not be” too distracting” to a client because I was an attractive young woman. I was also asked why they should assume I would NOT engage in numerous affairs with clients. Morons.
Even today, I and other women who have been outspoken against this government and its policies have taken bigger professional hits than any of the men out there and the men we have known for years as colleagues ran for the hills while we stood and took our hits. Then they have the NERVE to marvel that we remain standing and have our self respect intact.
Don’t you DARE tell me or any woman who has fought for a place in this society that we have it easy now or had it easy in the past. You are full of more crap than the creature at 1600 Pennsylvania if you think that.
Judge Hillary Clinton on her record, absolutely, but the way she is being judged is totally unacceptable. Oh, and I was a John Edwards supporter until he made his very ignorant statement today concerning Senator Clinton’s emotional response to a question.
There, I’m done for now, but this is really striking a nerve with me and I am mad as he$$ right now. Oh, and I am shouting.
Mufsmom, I completely had forgotten that in my first teaching job out of college, I was hired as music teacher and another new grad (male) was hired as band teacher. He was paid $1000 more than I was to start because he had a wife and a baby on the way. And I wasn’t outraged at the time. Geesh!
mufs — I totally agree. And I am shouting too.
Will we ever come to grips with the rampant sexism still alive in this country — hard to say if we allow rich white men to continue setting policy. i have 2 daughters (both graduated magna cum laude) in an industry where they see being a man has its advantages.
Will we ever come to grips with the rampant RACISM still alive in this country? – again hard to say !
i am white and i moved to the south a few years ago –
even i see the racism and the lack of any kind of inspiration among the black youth i work with. the state i live in is full of fundies and libertarians — so i don’t see blacks , OR women advancing.
some parts of our country are slipping back to the 50’s where women are subservient and blacks are unimportant…. sad …
any comment on this article or is my tin foil hat on too tightly?
thsnks in advance!
peg, your tin foil hat is just fine.
in case you missed it, larry had a recent short post on this.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/06/check-out-sibel-edmonds/
the art. that peg links to is the justin r. of antiwar.com piece on sibel edmonds which just got a major story in the paper. but a british paper. not an american one. natch.
peg, i wish to f*ck americans knew what their gvt. has done. one of my favorite quotes, and the implications are staggering, is ghwb oh his way out the door in ‘92 saying to longtime d.c. and a.p. reporter, who was from texas, sarah maclendon (? sarah somebody), “if the american people knew what we did, they’d chase us down in the streets and hang us from lamposts.” pres. george herbert walker bush. actual quote.
wethornet, proud member of the grassy knoll inconvenient DATA tin foil hat club.
Why do you think GWB changed the laws so that presidential papers are so hard to get to?
oh, absolutely. good point.
Why do you think GWB changed the laws so that presidential papers are so hard to get to?
As soon as the National Archives discovered they had 16,000 coloring books on thier hands and a bunch of second hand clip notes.
( in all fairness..some of the coloring was pretty good..)