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	<title>Comments on: Obama Wants to Emulate Reagan? The Cynicism of the &#8220;Hope&#8221; Panderer</title>
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		<title>By: 2008 January 17 : NO QUARTER</title>
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		<dc:creator>2008 January 17 : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/16/obama-wants-to-emulate-reagan-the-cynicism-of-hope-pandering/#comment-109840</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teakwoodkite,
Your comment references a problem I have with much of the Obama vs. Clinton jibber jabber. &lt;a href="http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/1/15/92315/7297" rel="nofollow"&gt;Booman's StevenD said it&lt;/a&gt; very well:&lt;blockquote&gt;
Whoever wins the nomination will now be open to Republican attacks. If it is Obama, the GOP will claim that anything they say about his religion, his youth, or his race is no worse than what Senator Clinton's campaign did back in the primaries. If Clinton is the nominee, expect to hear an endless series of attacks on her for her racist style of campaigning. In short it's a no win situation for the Democratic Party, one they should never have allowed to happen. Sadly, it's probably too late now to prevent any further damage to the candidates themselves, and to the party brand in November. And you can bet this will affect other races down ticket, particularly if Senator Clinton wins. Already many African American bloggers are saying that Clinton has lost a lot of support in the the black community. The Republicans won't need to suppress the black vote all that much if many of them decide to stay home come the Fall because of what is being done to Obama now.

And that would be the real tragedy of the Clinton/Obama race wars.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Since StevenD posted this comment, both the Clinton and Obama campaigns have offered to tone it down. As far as I'm concerned, that can't happen soon enough or fast enough. But I fear the damage has already been done to both candidates, and whomever wins the nomination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teakwoodkite,<br />
Your comment references a problem I have with much of the Obama vs. Clinton jibber jabber. <a href="http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/1/15/92315/7297" rel="nofollow">Booman&#8217;s StevenD said it</a> very well:<br />
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Whoever wins the nomination will now be open to Republican attacks. If it is Obama, the GOP will claim that anything they say about his religion, his youth, or his race is no worse than what Senator Clinton&#8217;s campaign did back in the primaries. If Clinton is the nominee, expect to hear an endless series of attacks on her for her racist style of campaigning. In short it&#8217;s a no win situation for the Democratic Party, one they should never have allowed to happen. Sadly, it&#8217;s probably too late now to prevent any further damage to the candidates themselves, and to the party brand in November. And you can bet this will affect other races down ticket, particularly if Senator Clinton wins. Already many African American bloggers are saying that Clinton has lost a lot of support in the the black community. The Republicans won&#8217;t need to suppress the black vote all that much if many of them decide to stay home come the Fall because of what is being done to Obama now.</p>
<p>And that would be the real tragedy of the Clinton/Obama race wars.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since StevenD posted this comment, both the Clinton and Obama campaigns have offered to tone it down. As far as I&#8217;m concerned, that can&#8217;t happen soon enough or fast enough. But I fear the damage has already been done to both candidates, and whomever wins the nomination.</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/16/obama-wants-to-emulate-reagan-the-cynicism-of-hope-pandering/#comment-109830</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is disturbing to me about being slammed as you mentioned is, this is what happens to the "intelligencia" during the rise of fascism. The overbearing emotional response to an opposing view is the canary in a coal mine. I am mindful that the rethug's and democrats are targeting groups based on gender,ethnicity and class not the "economy".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is disturbing to me about being slammed as you mentioned is, this is what happens to the &#8220;intelligencia&#8221; during the rise of fascism. The overbearing emotional response to an opposing view is the canary in a coal mine. I am mindful that the rethug&#8217;s and democrats are targeting groups based on gender,ethnicity and class not the &#8220;economy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: SusanUnPC</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/16/obama-wants-to-emulate-reagan-the-cynicism-of-hope-pandering/#comment-109816</link>
		<dc:creator>SusanUnPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is too late.  But I respect Rep. Wexler's passion.  Have always liked him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is too late.  But I respect Rep. Wexler&#8217;s passion.  Have always liked him.</p>
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		<title>By: SusanUnPC</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/16/obama-wants-to-emulate-reagan-the-cynicism-of-hope-pandering/#comment-109812</link>
		<dc:creator>SusanUnPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/16/obama-wants-to-emulate-reagan-the-cynicism-of-hope-pandering/#comment-109812</guid>
		<description>Oh, Leslie, you should see the comments I get when I post something like this at the "orange place."  It's extraordinary.  They tell me my articles are full of lies.  What lies, they rarely specify. Further, they have a network -- either via e-mail or instant messaging -- and tip each other whenever I post a new story there, and they ALL pile on.  Within 10-15 minutes, I kid you not, there are over 100 comments all condemning ME.  Not the story, mind you.  Just ME.  Only rarely, is there a well-mounted, vetted rebuttal of the points I make in my piece.  If you're curious, &lt;a href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/susanhu" rel="nofollow"&gt;go here and check out the comments&lt;/a&gt; in my recent diaries there.

At the end of 2005, a tally was done of the number of diaries, and the diarists whose diaries made the Recommended List, which only holds 8 diaries at a time and requires a very high number of recommendations to get there.  Out of nearly 12,000 diarists, I ranked #2, behind the brainy Parisian energy and finance expert, Jerome A Paris.  

But, truth be told, by the end of 2005, I'd learned what I could write that would guarantee my placement in the recommended list. At the time, I wrote story after story about torture, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Bucca, extraordinary rendition.  It was a cause for me.  From time to time, I ventured beyond.  One weekend, I wrote a diary about a Democratic candidate for Congress who personally was opposed to abortion but who supported a woman's right to choose. I thought him an example of "big tent" Democratic politics.  As long as he wouldn't vote to deny a woman's right to choose, I had no problem with his personal view of abortion.  I was viciously attacked.  There is, undeniably, a rigidity and extremism in far left politics just as there is in far right politics.  I want nothing to do with either extreme.  They both talk like Jay.  And they make their attacks personal, without any self-awareness that 1) they are not being rational and 2) they are harming their own POV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Leslie, you should see the comments I get when I post something like this at the &#8220;orange place.&#8221;  It&#8217;s extraordinary.  They tell me my articles are full of lies.  What lies, they rarely specify. Further, they have a network &#8212; either via e-mail or instant messaging &#8212; and tip each other whenever I post a new story there, and they ALL pile on.  Within 10-15 minutes, I kid you not, there are over 100 comments all condemning ME.  Not the story, mind you.  Just ME.  Only rarely, is there a well-mounted, vetted rebuttal of the points I make in my piece.  If you&#8217;re curious, <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/susanhu" rel="nofollow">go here and check out the comments</a> in my recent diaries there.</p>
<p>At the end of 2005, a tally was done of the number of diaries, and the diarists whose diaries made the Recommended List, which only holds 8 diaries at a time and requires a very high number of recommendations to get there.  Out of nearly 12,000 diarists, I ranked #2, behind the brainy Parisian energy and finance expert, Jerome A Paris.  </p>
<p>But, truth be told, by the end of 2005, I&#8217;d learned what I could write that would guarantee my placement in the recommended list. At the time, I wrote story after story about torture, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Bucca, extraordinary rendition.  It was a cause for me.  From time to time, I ventured beyond.  One weekend, I wrote a diary about a Democratic candidate for Congress who personally was opposed to abortion but who supported a woman&#8217;s right to choose. I thought him an example of &#8220;big tent&#8221; Democratic politics.  As long as he wouldn&#8217;t vote to deny a woman&#8217;s right to choose, I had no problem with his personal view of abortion.  I was viciously attacked.  There is, undeniably, a rigidity and extremism in far left politics just as there is in far right politics.  I want nothing to do with either extreme.  They both talk like Jay.  And they make their attacks personal, without any self-awareness that 1) they are not being rational and 2) they are harming their own POV.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/16/obama-wants-to-emulate-reagan-the-cynicism-of-hope-pandering/#comment-109795</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt a Democratic candidate would put down Reagan, especially if you're hoping Republicans and Independents will vote for you. On the other hand, Reagan was against everything Obama says he stands for, such as: Openness in government during Iran-Contra???? Or Reagan's war on the middle class with trickle-down economics...etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt a Democratic candidate would put down Reagan, especially if you&#8217;re hoping Republicans and Independents will vote for you. On the other hand, Reagan was against everything Obama says he stands for, such as: Openness in government during Iran-Contra???? Or Reagan&#8217;s war on the middle class with trickle-down economics&#8230;etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/16/obama-wants-to-emulate-reagan-the-cynicism-of-hope-pandering/#comment-109791</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technically, as Rep. Conyers and others have said, there's no statute of limitations on impeachment. So Bush and Cheney could be impeached after they leave office. But, on the other hand, the point of impeachment is to remove someone from office. Has anyone ever been impeached after leaving office?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically, as Rep. Conyers and others have said, there&#8217;s no statute of limitations on impeachment. So Bush and Cheney could be impeached after they leave office. But, on the other hand, the point of impeachment is to remove someone from office. Has anyone ever been impeached after leaving office?</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/16/obama-wants-to-emulate-reagan-the-cynicism-of-hope-pandering/#comment-109786</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jay, if you're going to accuse Susan of being a hack, at least back up your name-calling with some explanation for why you think that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jay, if you&#8217;re going to accuse Susan of being a hack, at least back up your name-calling with some explanation for why you think that?</p>
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		<title>By: nightjar</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/16/obama-wants-to-emulate-reagan-the-cynicism-of-hope-pandering/#comment-109710</link>
		<dc:creator>nightjar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But, Reagan — just like George W. Bush — “was astonishingly successful in his plan to paralyze the federal government.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In the long term , this will be the tragedy of GWB reign of destruction. I was working for a fed agency targeted by the Reagan minions in 1981. They did a lot of damage for about two years. But when RR's popularity waned a bit and after the 1982 elections they dialed back somewhat their assault on Federal Agencies. GWB, on the other hand, has  gone full bore for 8 years to corrupt and disable our federal government. It will take decades to fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But, Reagan — just like George W. Bush — “was astonishingly successful in his plan to paralyze the federal government.”</p></blockquote>
<p>In the long term , this will be the tragedy of GWB reign of destruction. I was working for a fed agency targeted by the Reagan minions in 1981. They did a lot of damage for about two years. But when RR&#8217;s popularity waned a bit and after the 1982 elections they dialed back somewhat their assault on Federal Agencies. GWB, on the other hand, has  gone full bore for 8 years to corrupt and disable our federal government. It will take decades to fix.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred C. Dobbs</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/16/obama-wants-to-emulate-reagan-the-cynicism-of-hope-pandering/#comment-109705</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred C. Dobbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always suspected that The Thing That Appeared on Television was NOT, in fact, the Addled Puppet Reagan but, rather, an Animatron (a la Lincoln) from Disney Imagineering.

Hey! I'm just saying...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always suspected that The Thing That Appeared on Television was NOT, in fact, the Addled Puppet Reagan but, rather, an Animatron (a la Lincoln) from Disney Imagineering.</p>
<p>Hey! I&#8217;m just saying&#8230;</p>
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