It IS the Economy [UPDATED x2]
By NoQuarter on February 19, 2008 at 5:52 PM in Barack Obama, Economy, Employment, Hillary Clinton, Housing Crisis
UPDATE x1: I added CK’s comment as a “scared shitless update” in the version at MyDD.
UPDATE x2: Do you think that Hillary is probably just a “latte liberal” wooing blue-collar votes? How about this from her Wikipedia bio: “That summer, she worked her way across Alaska, washing dishes in Mount McKinley National Park and sliming salmon in a fish processing cannery in Valdez (which fired her and shut down overnight when she complained about unhealthy conditions).” (I’m so proud of her for getting “canned”! Ha!)
| Via Mark Halperin at Time’s The Page blog: Thirty-second TV spot makes economic pitch to Buckeye Staters feeling overworked and overlooked. Ad launches statewide Tuesday. … Read script here. |
Joshua Holland at Alternet has a great analytical article today on the Clinton/Obama economic plans here: “Hillary’s Economic Plan: Nothing Daring, But More Comprehensive Than Obama’s.”
The economy has so far been the most pressing issue in the minds of voters in both major parties, and this week Hillary Clinton unveiled a wide-ranging and thoughtful set of economic policies. You can read it in its entirety here (PDF). …
Economist Stephen Schlesinger (son of Arthur) has more at HuffingtonPost (”Senator Obama has come up with an alternative plan, which, by contrast, does none of these things but tinkers around the edges.”) — and I’m also covering Barack Obama’s highly misleading statements from “Sen. Obama Launches Inaccurate Attack On Hillary’s Plan To Curb Housing Crisis“:
Of extraordinary importance, she has taken the lead on the most important economic crisis to face our country in decades. She was among the first of the first Democratic contenders to propose a bold economic recovery program designed to rescue the nation from recession. Over a month ago, Senator Clinton advocated a $70 billion emergency spending and a back-up of a $40 billion tax rebate should economic conditions worsen. Hers is a direct attempt to help the most threatened people in America - namely, lower-income families facing foreclosures of their mortgages, those in need of home heating aid, the unemployed who require extended jobless benefits and funding for alternative energy and environmental programs. Her opponent, Senator Obama belatedly came out with his own plan a few days ago which seemingly lifts most of his ideas straight out of Senator Clinton’s proposal.
On a more specific level, Senator Clinton’s recommendations on helping Americans caught in the sub-prime mortgage mess are far-reaching. She has called for a moratorium on foreclosures, a freezing of interest rates, the use of federal subsidies to help homeowners keep up with payments and restructure loans, and augmented regulation of the financial industry. Senator Obama has come up with an alternative plan, which, by contrast, does none of these things but tinkers around the edges. He backs a bill against mortgage fraud, supports an average $500 tax credit for homeowners and endorses additional funding for a limited class of homeowners. This is a tepid response to an enormous tragedy.
In many ways, Senator Clinton is to the left of Senator Obama. Hillary Clinton has outlined a program of universal health insurance — meaning that every person in America would be covered. By contrast, Senator Obama’s plan is more restrictive and would leave 15 million people uncovered. Lastly, Hillary Clinton is a fighter for change. Senator Obama, on the other hand, is a self-described conciliator. What Democrats want today, however, is a battler, not a motivational speaker. They have suffered enough from the vicious blows of President Bush and the Republicans. What the party needs is a nominee who will take the contest directly to the opposition. Come the Fall showdown, a candidacy of “friendly persuasion” is going to be swiftboated into oblivion.
From “Sen. Obama Launches Inaccurate Attack On Hillary’s Plan To Curb Housing Crisis“:
Hillary has a plan to curb the foreclosure crisis by freezing rates on adjustable rate subprime loans. It was a policy also favored by Sen. Edwards. Barack Obama has no plan so he’s chosen to go on the attack. From his event in Texas today:
She’s proposed that we freeze the monthly rate on existing adjustable rate mortgages for at least five years. I disagree with that approach, although I’m sure it’s well-intentioned, and here’s why: it will reward people who made this problem worse. It will also reward people who are wealthy and don’t need it. It won’t just target the struggling home owners who need help the most. And on top of that, a blanket freeze as she’s proposed will drive rates through the roof on people who are trying to get new mortgages to buy or refinance a home. Experts say the value of homes will fall even more, and even more families could face foreclosure. That’s why one economic analyst called her plan “disastrous”.
His argument is false, and based on a flawed report in the New Republic that assumes Hillary’s plan applies to all adjustable rate mortgages and not just subprime adjustable rate mortgages. Subprime mortgages are overwhelmingly held by low-income individuals. Laura Tyson, professor of economics at the Hass School of Business at the University of California, Berkeley explained:
The rate freeze would give the housing market time to stabilize and would give mortgage servicers an opportunity to restructure unworkable mortgages and avoid unnecessary and costly foreclosures that harm both homeowners and investors. The rate freeze is critical because the 30 to 40 percent escalation in monthly payments is a major driver of defaults and ultimately foreclosures in the subprime mortgage market. Senator Clinton limits the proposed moratorium and rate freeze to subprime mortgages because the foreclosure crisis is disproportionately a subprime crisis. Subprime loans comprise less than 15 percent of all mortgages but more than 50 percent of foreclosures.
Thaler and Woodward are simply wrong when they describe the Senator’s proposed rate freeze as applying to all adjustable rate mortgages and not just subprime ones.
When corporations run into trouble meeting their obligations, creditors often arrange a “workout” that restructures the financial obligation by setting new payment terms, etc. Creditors don’t do this under force of law. They do it voluntarily because it keeps their clients in business and it limits their own losses. Senator Clinton is proposing that banks do for families what they already do for big business.
Jon Corzine, who in addition to being a governor is the former head of Goldman Sachs, has said the following about Senator Clinton’s plan: “I believe that her call for a 90-day moratorium on subprime foreclosures, a 5-year freeze in rates on subprime loans, and a $30 billion fund to help states fight foreclosures, is the right approach for tackling the mortgage crisis.“
Sen. Obama is positioning himself to the right of President Bush. The Bush administration recently reached an agreement with the mortgage industry to implement a limited foreclosure moratorium and a loan modification program that could result in rate freezes for at-risk borrowers. In December, the administration announced another plan that also called for a rate freeze for qualified at-risk homeowners. While this plan is not sufficient, it goes farther than Sen. Obama.
More on Hillary’s plan to curb the housing crisis HERE.
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I’m that rare person who never liked the phrase, “It’s the economy, stupid.” Besides, it was a campaign war room phrase that the 1992 Bill Clinton staffers put up on their office wall. It was a note to themselves to emphasize the economy. It was not intended to call anyone else stupid. But it always kind of seemed like that to me.
The American people know that the economy is in deep trouble. And I hope they get a chance to study the actual policies of the two candidates, and find out who’s the best on the economy and on NAFTA (another issue that Barack Obama has lied about, including that he supports “free trade”).
There’s my friend Cheryl’s story about losing her job and fearing she’ll lose her home, along with hundreds of her co-workers.
And there are comparisons of Edwards’, Clinton’s, and Obama’s plans by top economist here: “Edwards, Clinton & Obama: On Economics & Workers [UPDATED x2].”
I leave you with the script for the video, “Night Shift“:
[Announcer:] You pour coffee, fix hair, you work the night shift at the local hospital. You’re often overworked, underpaid, and sometimes overlooked.
But not by everyone.
One candidate has put forth an American family agenda to make things easier for everyone who works so hard.
Universal healthcare.
Increased daycare.
And help with elder health care.
She understands. She’s worked the night shift, too.
[HRC:] I’m Hillary Clinton and I approved this message.











Rarely is it mentioned that Obama’s economic and healthcare advisors are primarily drawn from the faculty of the University of Chicago School of Economics. The school promotes Milton Friedman’s extreme corporatist “free market” and privatization orthodoxy. This influence is evident in Obama’s weak healthcare plan, hedging on Social Security privatization, and now this response the mortgage crisis.
Welcome to the Goldman-Sachs nation.
If you can’t pay your mortgage now, can you pay your property taxes? Your credit card bills? Your food bills? Welcome to the night shift and the swing shift. Now get your asses out on the corner and pimp yourself out for the companies that own BOTH dem candidates.
Jingle Mail
Jingle Mail
Jingle all the way
The homeless love the abandoned houses
There are more of them every day.
Tweak around the edges
Pick the chosen few
Those who failed on morality
will now be supported by you.
The illegal’s sick
Your mom is ill
and you are hurting too
So let’s mandate that the healthy
subsidize all of you.
We can’t afford the bullets
And butter is up in price
let’s argue about plagarism
to do less would not be nice.
Remember as you go to vote:
Obama is too hip
and Hillary is inevitable
and John is just a crip.
But better to elect the moral toad
or the lady from the G-Sachs
than face up to your own debt load
and the rest of the old dem hacks.
No doubt the Obama supporters will exclaim “No, no, no, Clinton stole (Saint) Obama’s plan. She just publicized it first!”
I just heard this on CNN’s “The Situation Room,” get ready for your head to explode:
Cafferty: “Wisconsin is really tailor-made for Clinton, she ought to do well here.
Blitzer: “And you know, she grew up in Illinois, not far from Wisconsin, so you’d think she’d do pretty well here…”
That’s right, folks: Hillary lived in neighboring Illinois for a while, so she really ought to do well in Wisconsin. Poor Barack Obama- he has no Illinois connections to match Hillary’s now, does he?
Good freaking lord.
Guys, go to Talor Marsh. There is more on Obama’s plagiarizing. http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27049
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgctsioisJg
Obama copies verbatim Patricks’ speech.
Here:
http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_02_11/article.html
You all keep asking why did folks vote for Bush the idiot, that article will explain who voted for Bush.
Damn shame that. Seems that folks who want affordable homes and affordable families act differently after they have a home and kids.
Where are the subprimes located?
Where is the housing market in the crapper?
What state’s citizens are finding it impossible to arrange new lines of credit on their no longer existing home equity?
America is tapped out. No there there. No wherewithal either. Nothing to pledge. Nothing left to pawn. No mas folks.
18 month supply of unsold houses and repos.
18 month supply of commercial lots for sale.
CitiBank ( check your monthly bills to see if you have one of their credit anchors ) has stopped people from cashing out of another one of their “investment vehicles” and limited depositors withdrawals at ATMs.
FDIC has no way of repaying depositors of insured accounts at big banks. You could check out the FDIC website to see that for yourself. FDIC has NEVER handled a bank failure of the size of Citi.
How have the raises been this year? How’s your negative savings working for you? How much will you enjoy that second shift or third shift emptying bedpans or pouring drinks? ( Those being the only two job growth areas in the last 8 years ).
How’s that student loan repayment coming? Did you notice that even if you go bankrupt that is one debt you cannot get out from under.
How’s that war going for you? A trillion here a trillion there and still the homeless vets pile up.
We must remain in Iraq until 2013 or 2108, we remain in Iraq until the Chinese stop buying US debt. Oh and Moody’s has threatened to downgrade US debt instruments. That is not a shot across the bow, that is a hole drilled below the water line.
WOW. Just wow. I was already scared, but you’ve just scared the you-know-what out of me.
I may add your comment to my version of this post up at MyDD.com
Be my guest, always glad to help.
The link to the AmCon article did not translate over to your MyDD posti. Leaves a bit of a hole in the explanatory potential.
I linked it. In the word HERE
As I often say when I look at the scars on my face in the mirror, well DUH.
wel done CK>
Great version of Jingle Hells
And just to make sure the Corporate leaches have enough blood and treasure for eternity…
No Secret Deal
(now he’s complaining)
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/19/opinion/edkennedy.php
Psssst; Hey Kennedy STOP FUNDING IT!
A little remembered history.
Before the sudden need to invade Iraq,
Cheney and friends were holding secret meetings about energy.
What they were doing was divvying up oil exploration and drilling rights to 9 blocks of, at that time, not fully explored desert on Iraq’s southwestern border with Saudi Arabia ( Sunni majority provinces ). Since the invasion, the big issue that will prove Iraq is ready for self government is that they iraqi parliment turn the iraqi national oil company over to private american and british interests. Chalabi was the man that was going to do this, but there was a slight problem. He could not get elected father by his own kids let alone elected to anything in Iraq. So since 2003 the USA has been looking for an Iraqi Quisling/Vichy who would sell out Iraqi oil reserves to interested bidders. Problem, the Chinese and the Russians and the Iranians have all made better offers to the selected Quislings.
A few years ago one could laugh at offers made in rubles, and yuan. Today not so much.
I suspect that every dem and every thug knows that when the delightful sheep of the USA can no longer drive to the mall no matter how energy efficient their cars are, that there will be a lamppost shortage in every district that has a representative. Your Prius ain’t shit if you can’t fill the tank or charge the batteries.
All that jogging you do ain’t too useful when you try to jog with a week’s worth of groceries that take a month’s worth of second shifts to pay for.
American MUST steal that oil. Unfortunately there is a nation with 10 times our population that also needs oil and actually has valuables to trade for it.
The Iran Oil Bourse opened for business the other day, a second one that will take more currencies but again not FRNs is planned to open soon.
But they do love them some George in Tanzania since he just promised them 3/4 of a billion in worthless paper to “fund the infrastructure needs of Tanzanian bureaucrats who do not have BMW’s.”
Al those worthless dollars…they made the ten dollar bill look so nice….
Speaking of Oil @$ 100.00
Some thinks a slow downs acomin’
The U.S. Energy Department, the International Energy Agency and OPEC have all cut demand forecasts for this year.
I have had my Peugeot 10 speed for 20 years now…my sane half asked why I don’t get rid of it…I said “No Way!” and went out and purchased her a bike…pedal power like the Flinstones…
This housing deal reminds me of the recording of Nixon and Halderman(?) discussing how to market “healthcare”…
(As if said by Chris Rock)…
same ol’ bait and switch…the banks win up or down; on the back of your homeless (insert derogatory)______signature……The ownership society..heh! more a kin to the company store days…
New Orleans was the biggest eviction notice ever served in the history of this country.
Funny thing about oil, those of you who commute to work know damn well that you cannot cut back your gas consumption unless you either buy a more gas efficient car or find a way to carpool. ( Might explain why there is this new comedy show call Carpool, just a subliminal nudge ). Carpooling is great when it works, if you can find three others to pool with you, theoretically your gasoline bill for your commute drops 75%. And that is AFTER TAX money, flows right into your spendable budget. The trick is finding 3 other of the right sort or right class or the right level on the corporate totem pole to pool with.
And that also assumes that the days the car is at home, no one else in the family is driving anywhere in the suddenly available car.
Second big use for oil in the USA is the military. Do not expect their usage to drop.
Electric Utilities … maybe
THe city of Vallejo california announced today that it expects it will be bankrupt in april of this year.
The rebuilding of NOLA, not the brightest moment for either party or the politicians there. But it did allow the repubs to forceably migrate a large group of democrat voters to other already reliably democratic voting districts.
And
IMF to sell Gold Reserves
By Jerome R. Corsi © 2008 WorldNetDaily
The International Monetary Fund says it plans to sell gold from its reserves, and the announcement at the Group of Seven (G7) meeting in Tokyo confirmed those moves could come as early as April.
The maneuver widely is understood to be aimed at an IMF goal of depressing the price of gold worldwide.
On Friday, gold surged to a high of $923 an ounce on international exchanges.
The IMF decision did not surprise financial analyst Michael Bolser, who has been predicting such a move for months in his subscription newsletter connected to his Interventional Analysis website.
The IMF goal appears to be to shove the price of gold back down into the $500 per ounce range, Bolser told WND in an exclusive telephone interview.
Bolser said a secondary goal is for the IMF to gain control of as much of the world’s gold reserves as possible.
“This grab of IMF sovereign gold held in central banks around the world matches what the Federal Reserve did in 1934 when the Treasury grabbed U.S. citizen’s wealth after a long and debilitating depression created by the Fed through excessive lending,” Bolser said.
Technically, the gold held by the IMF is pledged by central banks when sovereign nations join the IMF.
The IMF then becomes a repository for gold pledged by members of the IMF, with the bulk of the gold held by the IMF pledged by the United States.
“The vast majority of gold analysts have been in denial that the IMF would make this move,” Bolser said. “Now, I expect the gold experts to say the IMF gold sale will have no effect on the price of gold on world markets.”
The IMF gold will move to China, India, and private buyers in South America, Israel and the USA. And then there will be no more multi-national holdings of gold to try to manipulate the market with. All the stolen gold from the 30’s back into the hands of, I hope, smarter buyers. The US govt will attempt to confiscate gold held privately, all govts do that just before the lid blows off.
YOWZIR..!!
Where’s the BEEF…!!
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Not Only That..the Menu includes a dessert of choclate MOOSES..and stawberry shortcake..(Seasonal)
I especially like the Lattes and Coffee too..
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Its TIME for the United States Government and it.5s Administrators..all being paid by those PEOPLE by the Way..To SERVE those People in a Meaningful Way that shows Our Government and Politicians DO CARE..
That why I still Love the Flag..because it represents a Great NATION and a Great PEOPLE..
No damn lattes here, Patrick! You latte liberal! (TEASING YOU!)
I like Americanos.
No. I really do. Iced. All times of the year. Wish I could have one right now. Bring me one.
Susan,
I could never bring myself to pay several bucks for cold coffee.
I’m not ashamed to admit that my left over coffee from the morning becomes iced latte in the afternoon in the summer.
Susan…Can’t help it..there is a stand right over there…up there and down there..I can Bid on my Mochas and Lattes..
I’ll with put your Americano in the Mailbox on the Way by to the Coast..
Me too Cee…Me too..
SOme jolly jolly inflation news.
Lifted and condensed from here
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/20/72818/8319/446/460273
Bonddad on Orange Satan Inc.
First things first: Are price increases always inflation. No. Increases in the total amount of a good demanded, with no current increase in supply is not inflation. It feels like inflation if you are a buyer, but to an economist it isn’t inflation. China and India both increasing their buying of oil is an increase in demand.
Increases in prices without some significant increase in demand is inflation. The demand for milk in the USA has not gone up 120% in the last twelve months. The price of a bottle of milk has.
Is deflation a bad thing? How much better is your computer now than it was 3 years ago? How much faster is FIOS than dial-up? Yet computers and access have gone down in per unit price while the demand is increasing for both. That is deflation and it is a damn fine thing. Until it happens to your wages. And even then it is not a bad thing unless your wages fall farther than your productivity increase. If the total of all your purchases were to drop 20% year to year, a 20% wage decrease means that you are effectively still ahead of the game after taxes. If your wages stand still in a deflationary economy you are getting richer.
If your wages stand still in an inflationary economy you are getting poorer. When prices go up for goods and there is no increase in demand that is the causal agent, the only other causal agent is the printing of fiat currency. More money chasing the same demand for goods, prices of goods inflate.
Cooking oil up 133% 2 years
Coffee 170% in 6
Corn 150% in 2
cocoa ( chocolate ) 206% in 7
oats 160% in 3.5
wheat 200% in 2
heating oil 400% in 9
and on and on.
Now you as a worker have a budget. That budget is fixed … so much each paycheck comes in. Without a raise, the paycheck is fixed. Out of that you pay what you must and save what is left. So when the old Puffed Oats go up 50% in a year, and your wage doesn’t, whatever amount of your budget that went for puffed oats had to be increased and something else had to be foregone. Or you substituted something else for oats, something of less value to you or you would have been using it instead of oats already.
One politicial rule you will always observe about inflation data. The things that make up the largest parts of YOUR monthly or yearly budget will not be included in the marketbasket of goods that inflation is measured by. Food isn’t included, gasoline isn’t, credit card minimums aren’t, local, state and property tax burdens aren’t.
( Yes I enjoy economics, it is the study of peaceful Human Action ).