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		<title>By: fornetti</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/19/more-proof-of-plagiarism-stories-dont-add-up/#comment-640623</link>
		<dc:creator>fornetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not believe this</description>
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		<title>By: Jess Wonderin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/19/more-proof-of-plagiarism-stories-dont-add-up/#comment-141867</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess Wonderin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Leave out the nuts"?  We'd loose the fringe comments . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Leave out the nuts&#8221;?  We&#8217;d loose the fringe comments . . .</p>
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		<title>By: votermom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/19/more-proof-of-plagiarism-stories-dont-add-up/#comment-141638</link>
		<dc:creator>votermom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Gard</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/19/more-proof-of-plagiarism-stories-dont-add-up/#comment-141622</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Gard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it appears that the voters in Massachusetts were also thinking about the similarities between Obama's campaign and Deval Patrick's campaign, with the benefit of having experienced a year with the resultant fall-out of Patrick's wish for a pony and dream the impossible dream campaign.  Those voters rose up and bucked their Senators and other leaders, and loudly proclaimed "we won't be fooled again" (the WHO)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it appears that the voters in Massachusetts were also thinking about the similarities between Obama&#8217;s campaign and Deval Patrick&#8217;s campaign, with the benefit of having experienced a year with the resultant fall-out of Patrick&#8217;s wish for a pony and dream the impossible dream campaign.  Those voters rose up and bucked their Senators and other leaders, and loudly proclaimed &#8220;we won&#8217;t be fooled again&#8221; (the WHO)</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Gard</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/19/more-proof-of-plagiarism-stories-dont-add-up/#comment-141607</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Gard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BG- already something up on the sex and drugs angle:
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-mndce/case_no-0:2008cv00360/case_id-96322/

lawsuit filed in federal court against Obama and Axelrod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BG- already something up on the sex and drugs angle:<br />
<a href="http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-mndce/case_no-0:2008cv00360/case_id-96322/" rel="nofollow">http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-mndce/case_no-0:2008cv00360/case_id-96322/</a></p>
<p>lawsuit filed in federal court against Obama and Axelrod.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Gard</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/19/more-proof-of-plagiarism-stories-dont-add-up/#comment-141588</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Gard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along the same lines as the claimed link of his birth to Dr. Martin Luther King's march in Selma, Alabama.  Obama likes to recount how his parents met on the bridge in Selma during the march and nine months later, he was born.  This would require some impressive time travel, as he was born about 4 years before the march in Selma, and his parents were separated by that time, but hell, it makes for an interesting narrative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along the same lines as the claimed link of his birth to Dr. Martin Luther King&#8217;s march in Selma, Alabama.  Obama likes to recount how his parents met on the bridge in Selma during the march and nine months later, he was born.  This would require some impressive time travel, as he was born about 4 years before the march in Selma, and his parents were separated by that time, but hell, it makes for an interesting narrative.</p>
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		<title>By: stellaaa</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/19/more-proof-of-plagiarism-stories-dont-add-up/#comment-141484</link>
		<dc:creator>stellaaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny thing, Patrick has much better delivery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing, Patrick has much better delivery.</p>
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		<title>By: Smilin' Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/19/more-proof-of-plagiarism-stories-dont-add-up/#comment-141459</link>
		<dc:creator>Smilin' Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.borowitzreport.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Obama Calls Plagiarism Flap "Best of Times, Worst of Times"&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;
It's the leading page today, check the Borowitz Report archives once Andy posts something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><a href="http://www.borowitzreport.com/" rel="nofollow">Obama Calls Plagiarism Flap &#8220;Best of Times, Worst of Times&#8221;</a></strong><br />
It&#8217;s the leading page today, check the Borowitz Report archives once Andy posts something else.</p>
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		<title>By: G Hazeltine</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/19/more-proof-of-plagiarism-stories-dont-add-up/#comment-141457</link>
		<dc:creator>G Hazeltine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the New York Times:

&lt;blockquote&gt;In Politics, Inspiration or Plagiarism Is a Fine Line

By SAM ROBERTS
Published: February 20, 2008

The accusation on Monday by Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign that Senator Barack Obama recently plagiarized a passage from a speech delivered two years ago by a friend has opened a door to charges and countercharges about borrowed phrases and unattributed inspiration in the 2008 campaign.

But it also revived questions raised in 1993 about whether President Bill Clinton, in his Inaugural Address, borrowed references to springtime from two sources without crediting them at the time.

Mr. Clinton began his inaugural by proclaiming: “Today we celebrate the mystery of American renewal. This ceremony is held in the depth of winter. But, by the words we speak and the faces we show the world, we force the spring. A spring reborn in the world’s oldest democracy, that brings forth the vision and courage to reinvent America.”

A few days earlier, the president-elect said that in drafting his address he had drawn on a number of sources, including a four-page outline by the Rev. Timothy S. Healy, president of the New York Public Library. Elaborating a decade later in his autobiography, Mr. Clinton recalled that he was dissatisfied with the latest draft of his address, but added:

“I did like one passage, built around the idea that our new beginning had ‘forced the spring’ to come to America on this cold winter day. It was the brainchild of my friend Father Tim Healy, former president of Georgetown University. Tim had died suddenly of a heart attack while walking through Newark airport a few weeks after the election. When friends went to his apartment, they found in his typewriter the beginning of a letter to me that included suggested language for the inaugural speech. His phrase ‘force the spring’ struck all of us, and I wanted to use it in his memory.”

Mr. Clinton incorporated the phrase, but did not credit Father Healy by name.

A few days after the 1993 inauguration, Jimmy Breslin wrote in his Newsday column, “When Healy sent Clinton that phrase it was with the idea that he would be alive and that he would hear Clinton say, ‘In the words of the Rev. Tim Healy ...’ ”

Earlier on Inauguration Day, Mr. Clinton attended a prayer service where another friend, the Rev. Gardner C. Taylor, pastor emeritus of Concord Baptist Church in Brooklyn, delivered a sermon in which he said: “On this fateful day, we enter a springtime, we believe, of a new beginnings. There may be spring rains and storms, but it is springtime in America.”

Mr. Breslin wrote at the time that Mr. Taylor in his morning sermon “was unknowingly providing more thoughts and phrases for the speech.” Somebody had announced that Mr. Clinton “had finished his Inaugural Address at four in the morning,” the column continued, “which appears incorrect.”

Howard Wolfson, one of Mrs. Clinton’s top advisers, said Tuesday: “Tim Healy helped President Clinton write the speech by offering suggestions for it. That doesn’t fit any definition of plagiarism that I’m familiar with — no one is accusing Senator Obama of lifting speeches from one of his speechwriters or advisers.”

On Monday, Mr. Wolfson accused Mr. Obama of plagiarizing the remarks of Gov. Deval Patrick of Massachusetts from a 2006 campaign appearance. Mr. Obama acknowledged that he should have credited his friend Mr. Patrick in speech on Saturday in Milwaukee, but he said the Clinton campaign was “carrying it too far.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the New York Times:</p>
<blockquote><p>In Politics, Inspiration or Plagiarism Is a Fine Line</p>
<p>By SAM ROBERTS<br />
Published: February 20, 2008</p>
<p>The accusation on Monday by Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign that Senator Barack Obama recently plagiarized a passage from a speech delivered two years ago by a friend has opened a door to charges and countercharges about borrowed phrases and unattributed inspiration in the 2008 campaign.</p>
<p>But it also revived questions raised in 1993 about whether President Bill Clinton, in his Inaugural Address, borrowed references to springtime from two sources without crediting them at the time.</p>
<p>Mr. Clinton began his inaugural by proclaiming: “Today we celebrate the mystery of American renewal. This ceremony is held in the depth of winter. But, by the words we speak and the faces we show the world, we force the spring. A spring reborn in the world’s oldest democracy, that brings forth the vision and courage to reinvent America.”</p>
<p>A few days earlier, the president-elect said that in drafting his address he had drawn on a number of sources, including a four-page outline by the Rev. Timothy S. Healy, president of the New York Public Library. Elaborating a decade later in his autobiography, Mr. Clinton recalled that he was dissatisfied with the latest draft of his address, but added:</p>
<p>“I did like one passage, built around the idea that our new beginning had ‘forced the spring’ to come to America on this cold winter day. It was the brainchild of my friend Father Tim Healy, former president of Georgetown University. Tim had died suddenly of a heart attack while walking through Newark airport a few weeks after the election. When friends went to his apartment, they found in his typewriter the beginning of a letter to me that included suggested language for the inaugural speech. His phrase ‘force the spring’ struck all of us, and I wanted to use it in his memory.”</p>
<p>Mr. Clinton incorporated the phrase, but did not credit Father Healy by name.</p>
<p>A few days after the 1993 inauguration, Jimmy Breslin wrote in his Newsday column, “When Healy sent Clinton that phrase it was with the idea that he would be alive and that he would hear Clinton say, ‘In the words of the Rev. Tim Healy &#8230;’ ”</p>
<p>Earlier on Inauguration Day, Mr. Clinton attended a prayer service where another friend, the Rev. Gardner C. Taylor, pastor emeritus of Concord Baptist Church in Brooklyn, delivered a sermon in which he said: “On this fateful day, we enter a springtime, we believe, of a new beginnings. There may be spring rains and storms, but it is springtime in America.”</p>
<p>Mr. Breslin wrote at the time that Mr. Taylor in his morning sermon “was unknowingly providing more thoughts and phrases for the speech.” Somebody had announced that Mr. Clinton “had finished his Inaugural Address at four in the morning,” the column continued, “which appears incorrect.”</p>
<p>Howard Wolfson, one of Mrs. Clinton’s top advisers, said Tuesday: “Tim Healy helped President Clinton write the speech by offering suggestions for it. That doesn’t fit any definition of plagiarism that I’m familiar with — no one is accusing Senator Obama of lifting speeches from one of his speechwriters or advisers.”</p>
<p>On Monday, Mr. Wolfson accused Mr. Obama of plagiarizing the remarks of Gov. Deval Patrick of Massachusetts from a 2006 campaign appearance. Mr. Obama acknowledged that he should have credited his friend Mr. Patrick in speech on Saturday in Milwaukee, but he said the Clinton campaign was “carrying it too far.”</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these comments do is point out how this story was incorrectly framed from the beginning. Here we are discussing plagiarism when we should be discussing the similar campaigns of 2 candidates. Obama supporters are in a frenzy over what they see as  fresh candidate with vision. All Hillary's campaign needed to do was to demonstrate that this is not true. That another guy rode into office on the SAME campaign and the same speeches. If that isn't a problem for some, then how about a little discussion about Deval Patrick's first year in office. Now maybe the Democrats don't care to do this, but I'll bet you a dollar to a donut the Republicans will. Thereby destroying the false notion that Obama stands the best chance of winning in Nov. 

I'm a Hillary supporter, but I am now outwardly critical of the way she has campaigned. Her communications person SUCKS! So many missed opportunities and just plain WRONG responses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these comments do is point out how this story was incorrectly framed from the beginning. Here we are discussing plagiarism when we should be discussing the similar campaigns of 2 candidates. Obama supporters are in a frenzy over what they see as  fresh candidate with vision. All Hillary&#8217;s campaign needed to do was to demonstrate that this is not true. That another guy rode into office on the SAME campaign and the same speeches. If that isn&#8217;t a problem for some, then how about a little discussion about Deval Patrick&#8217;s first year in office. Now maybe the Democrats don&#8217;t care to do this, but I&#8217;ll bet you a dollar to a donut the Republicans will. Thereby destroying the false notion that Obama stands the best chance of winning in Nov. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a Hillary supporter, but I am now outwardly critical of the way she has campaigned. Her communications person SUCKS! So many missed opportunities and just plain WRONG responses.</p>
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