Comments on: Let’s Fact-Check Obama and Debate: http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/ Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:45:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: ChrisXP http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-147029 ChrisXP Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:14:02 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-147029 Hillary supporters may want to voice their opinions in here... http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/27/news-media-unfair-to-clinton/ Can't stand this guy's coverage of Hillary. Swear leeches are better parasites. Hillary supporters may want to voice their opinions in here…

http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/27/news-media-unfair-to-clinton/

Can’t stand this guy’s coverage of Hillary. Swear leeches are better parasites.

]]> By: Andy http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146946 Andy Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:09:44 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146946 This is a MUST read. Yes I know it is in The New Republic... But is quite an interesting piece about the dirty politics teh Obama camp has been playing. "Race Man" by Sean Wilentz How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton. Post Date Wednesday, February 27, 2008 http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304 This is a MUST read. Yes I know it is in The New Republic… But is quite an interesting piece about the dirty politics teh Obama camp has been playing.

“Race Man” by Sean Wilentz
How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton.
Post Date Wednesday, February 27, 2008

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

]]> By: Fade http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146887 Fade Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:42:36 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146887 Hillary is done. She might have been a better prez than Obama. But this is a big big fight. All Hillary has now is attacks. I'm not an Obama or Hillary person, I was Edwards. But, I can tell you this- Hillary doesn't inspire anyone but her base, much like Bush's. Obama does. Hillary won't win here in Texas. Obama has a chance. One battle at a time. Hillary had her chance, like Edwards had his. I wish the outcome would have been different, but its not. If Hillary has any chance at all right now- it will have to be by Positive messages. Attacks only solidify the unconvinced to move to Obama's camp. Meanwhile, once Hillary does lose, all this fodder you are firing at Obama (unjustly in some cases, justly in others) will be hurting the Democratic candidate. Thank God that the Repubs are doing to McCain what you are doing to Obama- because if they stop, and start backing McCain (and I have no doubt they will) then we will have a much closer race than we need. So, continue the constant barrage of attacks at the risk of hurting Clinton further, because its definitely not helping her. Got anything POSITIVE about Clinton? Not much, huh? It was her failure to vote on FISA recently that doomed her for me. That was the final bullshit/gamesmanship ploy. I am sick of the triangulation. If she can't muster the guts to vote on something THAT important, then she is not the person I want in office, period. Hillary is done. She might have been a better prez than Obama. But this is a big big fight. All Hillary has now is attacks. I’m not an Obama or Hillary person, I was Edwards. But, I can tell you this- Hillary doesn’t inspire anyone but her base, much like Bush’s. Obama does. Hillary won’t win here in Texas. Obama has a chance. One battle at a time. Hillary had her chance, like Edwards had his. I wish the outcome would have been different, but its not.

If Hillary has any chance at all right now- it will have to be by Positive messages. Attacks only solidify the unconvinced to move to Obama’s camp. Meanwhile, once Hillary does lose, all this fodder you are firing at Obama (unjustly in some cases, justly in others) will be hurting the Democratic candidate.

Thank God that the Repubs are doing to McCain what you are doing to Obama- because if they stop, and start backing McCain (and I have no doubt they will) then we will have a much closer race than we need.

So, continue the constant barrage of attacks at the risk of hurting Clinton further, because its definitely not helping her. Got anything POSITIVE about Clinton? Not much, huh? It was her failure to vote on FISA recently that doomed her for me. That was the final bullshit/gamesmanship ploy. I am sick of the triangulation. If she can’t muster the guts to vote on something THAT important, then she is not the person I want in office, period.

]]> By: kenoshaMarge http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146793 kenoshaMarge Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:19:10 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146793 And doesn't everyone know that if Social Security wasn't mandated it wouldn't have worked either. It's got to be taken all the way or it will never work for all of us. Course those that all ready have good health insurance and don't have to worry about this issue can happily bemoan mandates. And doesn’t everyone know that if Social Security wasn’t mandated it wouldn’t have worked either. It’s got to be taken all the way or it will never work for all of us. Course those that all ready have good health insurance and don’t have to worry about this issue can happily bemoan mandates.

]]> By: Nellie http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146687 Nellie Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:36:26 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146687 ybnormal, Great Points. I may steal some of them. Truth is Obama has never had an original idea, he just plagarizes the hell out of everyone elses and claim their HIS. ybnormal,

Great Points. I may steal some of them.

Truth is Obama has never had an original idea, he just plagarizes the hell out of everyone elses and claim their HIS.

]]> By: ybnormal http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146625 ybnormal Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:45:31 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146625 Well, since Vatican City is officially a country, I don't believe taxes are one of the Pope's major concerns. Well, since Vatican City is officially a country, I don’t believe taxes are one of the Pope’s major concerns.

]]> By: ybnormal http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146611 ybnormal Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:05:20 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146611 The so called 'close' healthcare plans. Consider that what we have now is the highest cost - lowest benefit healthcare-for-everyone system imaginable. It's called ER. Clinton is dead on about the only affordable way to pull it off is to insure everyone - and not wait until they get to an emergency room to get the coverage. The so called ‘close’ healthcare plans.

Consider that what we have now is the highest cost - lowest benefit healthcare-for-everyone system imaginable. It’s called ER.

Clinton is dead on about the only affordable way to pull it off is to insure everyone - and not wait until they get to an emergency room to get the coverage.

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146607 TeakWoodKite Wed, 27 Feb 2008 07:03:24 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146607 Can the Pope do that? Can the Pope do that?

]]> By: ybnormal http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146598 ybnormal Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:53:50 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146598 When Obama says (though not in this debate, but often enough) there's no shortage of good ideas, just the lack of will to get it done... My response is, there's no shortage of will or desire to get things done; what we lack is the leaders with the proven experience to do it. IMHO Obama is ironically the one supplying the best arguments against Obama, but for some reason lots of people like him regardless. When Obama says (though not in this debate, but often enough) there’s no shortage of good ideas, just the lack of will to get it done…

My response is,
there’s no shortage of will or desire to get things done; what we lack is the leaders with the proven experience to do it.

IMHO Obama is ironically the one supplying the best arguments against Obama, but for some reason lots of people like him regardless.

]]> By: ybnormal http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146592 ybnormal Wed, 27 Feb 2008 06:44:05 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/02/26/lets-fact-check-the-bamboozler/#comment-146592 It's part of the deal. Churches want to maintain non-profit tax-exempt status - balanced against the desire to preach something meaningful. You can preach against the evil of war, or the unfairness of politics, but for the IRS you cross the line if you preach a call for specific political action. It renegs the deal on non-profit tax-exempt status. All Saints Episcopal in Pasadena CA is a frequent flyer for IRS attention. Example, not long ago the pastor preached a message calling for impeachment of Cheney. It’s part of the deal. Churches want to maintain non-profit tax-exempt status - balanced against the desire to preach something meaningful.

You can preach against the evil of war, or the unfairness of politics, but for the IRS you cross the line if you preach a call for specific political action. It renegs the deal on non-profit tax-exempt status.

All Saints Episcopal in Pasadena CA is a frequent flyer for IRS attention. Example, not long ago the pastor preached a message calling for impeachment of Cheney.

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