Will Ben Smith Ask Obama & “Ax” About This? [UPDATED]
By SusanUnPC on February 26, 2008 at 7:13 PM in Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Sexism, William Ayers, Women and Children
UPDATE: YOU TELL ME, Mssrs. Obama and Axelrod, why my adult daughter has to read this horrific stuff at soc.men, a Google group, in support of YOUR candidacy? I demand you tell your followers to stop THIS NOW, and apologize to women everywhere. I pray none of them is a father, brother, uncle, grandfather. (I’m not censoring this. This is AS it appears.)
“To attack Obama, a very desperate Hillary ROTTEN CUNTon is leaking out the most heinous gunk imaginable, from the most rotten depths of her disgusting, sickening, cancerous, feminist, nazified, evil fucking CUNT”
My daughter sent me three other examples. [I’ve added them below the fold.] Now back to the original:
Taylor Marsh is all over this (”And people wonder why I question whether this country is ready for a female president.”) What can I say? What can I write about this? I will ask this:
If that t-shirt said, “Ho’s Before Bro’s,” you can bet that MSNBCCNNFAUX would be all over it, and demanding a statement from Sen. Clinton’s campaign. This is repugnant to me. It is proof of the sexism still rampant in this country. It sickens me. I feel hopeless about it.
And while we’re discussing the hopelessness of clearing up the attacks on Sen. Clinton, let’s get into these:
More examples my adult daughter found:
Hillary thinks now is the time to start waking up and attacking Barack Obama. The only problem is she is one giant hypocritical bitch. …
Another:
do ya think Hillary will have Obama killed?
that sneaky cunt will not go away…She will try to get the Vip position and have him shot…the ole’ lone gunman.she wont be happy till there are race riots..she will not go away…
The last one my daughter sent me (god I’m embarrassed she lives in this world):
Here’s the Deal
by Rob
Clinton(s) suck, Obama is our best hope at the moment.
Hillary, you are a hawk in a dress, and your move to New York to become a Senator and wage this campaign was sad, sorry and obvious, and you only feed the right wing machine. You have nothing to offer, yet take in millions (in big chunks) to spread your hollow messages about experience and how much you care about and have done for Texas and Ohio (at the moment). You suck, I hate you, and I have donated money to a political campaign for the first time in my life (obviously not for your sorry, smug ass) because I sincerely hope that Obama’s momentum continues to roll right over your pathetic campaign machine, you cunt. …
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL:
There’s an excellent top-recommended diary at MyDD: “Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over Photo.”
The photo was scanned from an early February National Enquirer by a freeper at Free Republic, and e-mailed to Matt Drudge on SATURDAY. I saw it linked at numerous conservative blogs via Memeorandum.com on SUNDAY. Drudge is in on the Rove playbook to denigrate Hillary and promote Obama because the GOP wants to face him in the general selection so he sat on the photo until Monday morning when he could “spin” it as coming from Hillary’s camp, which it did not.
This is a non-issue for Sen. Clinton. But MSNBC is treating it as if it were fact that it comes from Sen. Clinton’s campaign. Even Bob Shrum — who probably wants a job with the Obama campaign — was on MSNBC this morning promoting it as coming from Clinton.
Do any of those pundits ever mention it was published in a tabloid sold NATIONWIDE in supermarkets and drug stores and convenience stores? That millions of Americans had already purchased that magazine and seen that photo? Do they ever mention any of that? No — they just speculate about it coming from Clinton’s campaign.
Who can prevail against such inanity? And, really, against such cruelly biased venality?
Who can survive when all kinds of dubious and troubling associations are given a free pass — from Antoin Rezko to William Ayers? When Bob Shrum stabs you in the back just to get a favorable “view” for the other guy’s campaign?
(That’s Ayers’ mug shot via Wikipedia.)
Lastly, I finally read the 2001 New York Times article on Bill Ayers’ unrepentant career as a terrorist, “No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen.”
In that absorbing article, Ayers quotes from a favorite poem:
And if there were another Vietnam, he is asked, would he participate again in the Weathermen bombings?
By way of an answer, Mr. Ayers quoted from ”The Cure at Troy,” Seamus Heaney’s retelling of Sophocles’ ”Philoctetes:” ” ‘Human beings suffer,/ They torture one another./ They get hurt and get hard.’ ”
He continued to recite:
History says, Don’t hope
On this side of the grave.
But then, once in a lifetime
The longed-for tidal wave
Of justice can rise up
And hope and history rhyme.
Thinking back on his life , Mr. Ayers said, ”I was a child of privilege and I woke up to a world on fire. And hope and history rhymed.”
Hope and history.
He’s just another dope for hope. With bombs.
it is very sad. i was so hopeful for a hillary presidency, but after what i have seen this election cycle, i am s depressed. i cant even sleep properly at night. the press has been unrelenting and the obamabot with so much hate. i guess they were not born of a woman.
Marcia-I feel the same way. Then the tee shirts today. Everytime something awful happens to H., I think, well, that was over the top. Now people will wake up and say “no more” But it hasn’t happened yet.
Soc.men?
BWhahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhaahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahROTFPIMPLMAOBwhahahahhaahahahahahahahahahhahahahaLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOBwhahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
You know all those ugly little men you turned downed in high scholl, college, and any bar where ugly little men tend to congregate aournd the bathroom, and pinball machine?
That’s soc.men, they simply do not make them any dumber, or uglier.
Don’t give them a second thought, laugh laugh laugh.
Any woman here could beat them up, any woman here is infintely more intelligent.
Oh, I’m sorry, but soc.men are a JOKE!
FUN TO MOCK!TOO DUMB FOR THE ROOM!
This is so disgusting, I am literally sick to my stomach.
Is there some way we can contact Bob Shrum via email and let him KNOW exactly what we think of him and his LIES?
ANY Dem who hires him, should not get one penny, nor one vote EVER!
Whose show was he on on MSNBC? MSNBC ougth to recieve so many eamils their server goes down.
It was MSNBC news this morning, Nellie. Could have clobbered him. What a rat. And it’s a lie! He has no knowledge about where the photo came from — which as I said was in the nation’s supermarkets in National Enquirer in EARLY February, but no one mentions that. Then a freeper scans it, and e-mails it to Drudge, who uses it to attack Clinton.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaQbZCxTu5k&feature=related
Sad and desperate, Susan, sad and desperate.
Trying to link Obama to those t-shirts is more than a stretch. Then again, it’s the same thing you are trying to do with Ayers and any wrong doings with Tony R.
Seriously, what are you going to do when Hillary bows out of the race? You, Larry and Taylor Marsh have made fools of yourselves with your lunatic rantings, will you still try to destroy Obama when he is the Democratic nominee for President?
The sad part is, I thin even if Hillary concede and throws her support behind Obama, you, Larry and Taylor will continue your crazy war….
Good grief-who are you, Dave Dial? At first, I thought this is too anti-everything. Then I began laughing. Even if you didn’t intend a satire of the opinions you expressed, your post came across that way. Too funny.
He’s a Dial without a knob.
Hilarious.
We gotta laugh at something right Susan? Or else we’re toast!
dave are you seriously suggesting that if obama does get the nomination that we have to be thrilled about this mistake. is it not enough, i would hold my nose and vote for him? please dont expect me to donate or campaign for him … i shall work for and donate to other democratic candidates i can be excited about to ensure a veto proof majority.
actually, i think it may be important to have this large of a majority if obama wins the GE. i predict the party will have to keep obama in line and i would not be surprised if it becomes necessary to over ride one of his vetos. as i learned a long time ago … keep your enemies close but your friends even closer.
I am not voting for the lying fraud.
He’s a freaking closet libertarian. If I wanted to vote for a libertarian I’d vote libertarian.
After this primary season I probably won’t be voting for ANY democratic candidate because democrats are not serious about their agenda. They just want to say they are actually more moral than the republicans when in fact they’ve had massive majorities in both houses, the supreme court and occassionally with the white house to boot and they didn’t do what they said they would. Look at what happened to the Carter presidency and then look what happened when Reagan and Bush were in office, massive debts, corporate welfare, jobs sent overseas, entire industries closed down, and the list goes on and on. And in Clinton’s first 2 years we had both houses and couldn’t get health care or any real progressive agenda through. As Bill Parcells would say: democrats just pay lip service to their agenda. I’m looking for a viable alternative at this point.
Well said Gregory!
keep your enemies close but your friends even closer.
You realize that’s backwards right? You keep your friends close and your enemies closer. or so that tzu guy said, but what did he know?
oh, now you are a military expert eh?
And which chapter and verse did Master Sun say this?
Maybe “Initial Estimations”? Nope
Maybe “Waging War”? Nope
Mabye it was “Planning Offensives”? Nope
Maybe it was “Military Disposition….”? Nope
Maybe “Strategic Military Power”? Nope
Maybe it was “Vacuity and Substance”? Nope
Maybe it was “Military Combat”? Nope
Could it have been “Nine Changes”? Nein
Could it be “Maneuvering the Army”? nunca
Could it be “Configurations of Terrain?” nyet
Could it be “Nine Terrains”? nope
what about “Incendiary Attacks”? zippo
or, as it relates to this site, “Employing Spies”? zilch
Thats because Sun Tzu never said this. Though his treatise would encourage to be very aware of what our enemies would be doing, this quote did not come from Master Sun.
But leave it up to the pathetic braggard, John Witherspoon to bark off and not know what the fuck he’s talking about, again….and again.
(quick John check for typos and grammatical errors so you can respond to those instead of to the actual argument)
you still got it backwards, dumbshit! Doesn’t matter who said it.
(quick chris! make a retarded comment that i can easily refute!)
I didn’t get anything backwards you nit. I didn’t make the statement. You didn’t know where the fucking quote came from, yet you spike the football anyway? now that is genius.
you call that a refutation?
no wonder you are so proud. being a failure is your pride.
where did the quote come from? You haven’t said. And you still are denying getting it completely bass ackwwards! [THE REST OF THIS REPREHENSIBLE COMMENT HAS BEEN REMOVED BY ADMINISTRATOR — OTHERS, JOHN HAS BEEN PLACED ON MODERATION.]!)
Additionally, someone who can’t spell advice should probably not question the intelligence of others…
Bitch![ADMINISTRATOR: This is another example of why you have been placed on moderation, John. While we’ve used the word here in good spirit, you use it to be ugly and sexist. There’s a difference.]
If Obama was really in touch with the “grassroots” hic campaign would know about this and distance him from it. But then again, when Shuster was called out for his “pimp” comment re: Chelsea, he didn’t utter a word, not even on behalf of his own two daughters.
He is a low class manipulator, though. Proud NOT to be a supporter…
Susan,
Ignore this, it appears to be a bit of a set up, the trolls from soc.men are trying to bait you.
Hey Dave!
Do you speak fart?
How about retard?
The only word I know in retard is DUH.
I look forward to many frutiful, and enlightening conversations, dave, and here, a windybanger for you!
Sorry, Susan, they’re just too dumb, they are ugly, effeminate, and dysfunctional men who can’t win a war, men with small small penii (really) men intimidated by women, mwn who read kos, support Obama, and then Bush, there is no other way to treat them but with the utter contempt they deserve.
But mostly, they’re too stupid to even strategize.
Soc.men just want love, and respect.
Bwha! Watch it, boys, you’re being trolled. I’d try to explain it, but you guys are just too fucking stupid to understand the abstract.
I am speechless…
S&G
Our country is at a sickening state of affairs, divisive and I contribute that to Obama, his campaign, his arrogance, the media, and the never ending desire of the Republicans to maintain the White House at all costs! Obama himself should speak up about the Republicans jumping over to the Democratic Primary, and vote for him. NOT TO BE PRESIDENT, Mr Arrogant Obama, but to help get you to be the person they run against! They KNOW they will indeed have a harder chance against Hillary and unified party.
If the DNC thinks for one instant that all Democrats are drinking the kool aid, and will stay “true” to their party even if Obama is the nominee…..guess again.
I can recover from the how disturbing it would be to vote for the Republican Candidate if Obama is the Dems candidate…..yet the sickness I would feel over supporting Obama would affect me way too long.
I do not trust him. I would not trust any Political Candidate that is OK… with the labels: “Messiah” “The One” “Demogague” He is nothing more than the Bobble Head for his campaign and a marketing product of Axelrod. Someone that we don’t know is pulling the strings of the campaign and those people will be running the country.
He is inexperienced (even in his own claims in 2004).
WHy the rush to the White House for him? I don’t get it? Bush rushed us to War.. and the American are willing to Rush Obama to the White House?
Michelle is a racist…and unpatriotic. Read her past writings at Princeton and tell me she is not a racist. The first words out of her mouth in an interview after Obama announced his bid: When asked about how she feels about the safety of Obama in running for President… her answer….”As a Black Man, I worry about his safety when he is pumping gas”
She would like to wear one of those tshirts.
Wake up people!
Are country was hijacked once in September 2001, and we are being hijakced again!
Stop him.
So true! I guess only the minority can see it. Very disturbing. American Idol President here we come.
Ridiculous.
Same shit, different day.
NNTP was two years away when Ferraro was VP candidate but here was BBS activity and tons of dirty jokes. All at 300 baud.
Yeah, the Obama campaign should totally apologize for the anonymous rants of a google groups nutjob who has brought us so many memorable hits such as:
- hey you barack obama-loving socialist liberal commie-cunts (Nicaraguan leader calls Obama’s campaign ‘revolutionary’) For real Patriots who love the Constitution, this is scary
- I hate the muslim Barack Obama and especially the feminist nazi CUNT from hell, hillary clinton, too.
- Is it possible that Barack Obama will be The Anti-Christ?
- ISLAM IS THE PIG SHIT THAT LEAKED OUT OF muhammad ANUS
- Pope Benedict XVI Is a Fucking Nazi Satan-Worshiping CUNT
- Yet another reason why YOU ARE A FUCKING CUNT
Yeah, dude is clearly an Obama “follower” as your post implies.
They SAY they are Obama followers. They say so in the examples I give, and in the links I provide for each instance.
There is a widespread pattern of ugly behavior by Obama followers — including incessant vicious attacks on all who support Hillary Clinton. Civility is out the window. Maturity is absent. It is so pervasive — and so cult-ish — that it requires intervention by the campaign to end it.
And if Clinton supporters were behaving similarly, the MSM would be all over it. I’m sure there are incidents of ugly racism.
Here at NoQuarter, we have done our very best to stop it. We’ve asked people not to refer to Obama by his full name because we sense it’s an attempt (because accompanying comments verify it) to paint him as a, gasp, Muslim.
We are highly critical of his candidacy and his qualifications and some of his associations. But we refuse to get into smearing him … it’s repugnant to us. And we won’t allow it from any of our participants. (We probably miss some because we don’t read every comment / it’s hard / but whenever we spot it, or get a report, we put a swift end to any racist, etc. type attacks.)
Only kind of.
You gave four links in this post, in only two (”Eat Shit…”, “Clinton(s) Suck…”) could you really infer that the posters are Obama “followers” (nice propagation of the “cult” meme BTW), but you’d have to wade through all the celebrity gossip and mountain biking/beer posts to figure that out.
You’re other links are to the aforementioned google groups nutjob and a post on an Opie and Anthony BBS mentioning NO support of Obama whatsoever.
You’re argument would have a leg to stand on if any of Obama’s campaign staff, surrogates, phone bankers, door-to-doorers, etc ever came close to uttering the word “cunt” to describe Clinton. No matter the context, the MSM could, would and should crucify Obama.
But that’s not what’s happening.
What is happening is that by cherry-picking emailed links from the across the internet and painting Obama supporters (”followers?”) with a singularly broad brush, you are attempting to stir up controversy between the 70% of supporters of both candidates that would have no problem voting for the other side should their candidate not make it to the GE.
And just for fun, although I’m well aware this is a small minority of people:
Count the number of times Obama is called a “prick” on one of the major Hillary supporting websites
Susan,
Please see my post at 20:45:06 for a caution about the possibility of “False Flag” operations being run by Republicans.
And about the title of this post…I’m not a dumb cluck, but it took me reading into the first paragraph and connecting the name “Axelrod” to “Ax” not to wonder if the usage of “Ax” was perhaps a slam on a common speech pattern among black Americans; i.e., to pronounce “ask” as “ax”. Ya know, mockery of the basest sort? THIS IS HOW STUFF GETS STARTED. When one is all het up about something, you can say something that can be taken the wrong way, and just like that, you put peoples’ backs up. No, you didn’t mean to do it, but now it’s out there with all of the possibilities for pernicious interpretation you could want. Whoo hoo! Maybe you should re-title the post and use Mr. Axelrod’s name in place of “Ax” and eliminate the possibility of misunderstandings?
For the love of Pete. “Ax” is what Ben Smith of Politico.com called him in the story I write about just below this post.
“You’re argument would have a leg to stand on if any of Obama’s campaign staff, surrogates, phone bankers, door-to-doorers, etc ever came close to uttering the word “c—” to describe Clinton”
This is unfortunately problematic though for the following reasons.
In “progressive” organizations I’ve been in for the last 2 decades, I was surrounded by a wide variety of folks who acted very hateful to others. Those who were my friends that engaged in lies to destroy someone they objected to became my responsibility, even if I didn’t endorse them.
The fact that I didn’t say it was irrelevant. I was held accountable for my peers or people who were influenced by my actions.
You have improperly assumed that this is about some alleged support I have for Clinton that I don’t have for Obama. This is a red herring. The issue is that Obama has claimed he’s going to reform Washington’s “politics of destruction” and that he doesn’t support attacking.
BUT HE DOES
If it works for him, he says nothing, and then allows it to be, “well I can’t think for others, or speak for them.” When answering about Farrakhan’s support, he distanced himself carefully so as not to lose the endorsement, but without saying, “I really don’t need that endorsement.” “I can’t control who thinks I’m a nice guy.”
All…not the point.
His followers are reflection of how serious his campaign is. He says, “americans have shown that they are ready for the end of ‘the politics of destruction’.”
So, either he’s really naive, stupid, or intentionally aloof on this matter. His staff does attack. I’ve been on the phone with them, asked them to help me resolve conflicts I have with his record. They didn’t. They simply attacked Clinton.
So lets cut the fucking bullshit here folks. Don’t pander to America on Hope, Change, and the “end of politics of destruction” then distance yourself when Axelrod, staffers, or supporters engage in hateful attacks on Clinton.
And contrary to the beliefs of the Obamaniacs (and trust me, you earned my doubts), the Clinton administration fired staffers who engaged in underhanded attacks.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,316273,00.html
SHOW ME AN OBAMA story where he fired anyone for their smears. Don’t paint one side as tolerating hate when they didn’t, then dismiss his “hope” and “change”.
On NoQuarter, Susan and Larry have both assailed anyone who makes the Muslim connection as their own criticism, not demonstrating that the Republicans are the ones who hold this view. People who make comments attacking Obama on those grounds have been challenged repeatedly by Susan herself.
Obama supporters who come here have painted criticisms as Hate. This is a convenient ploy to diminish criticism, or they are a reflection of the glass jaw campaign they want to conduct.
It is not Clinton’s responsibility if I think Obama is a fucking puff of smoke Trojan Horse candidate. It is Obama’s problem if I think that. He doesn’t do much to change my mind. He engages is rhetorical devices that I learned about in my 7th grade debate class 30 years ago.
These hateful comments above are for him to dismiss, to say, “If you are my supporter then you don’t believe in calling women these words. This would not be tolerable if someone called my daughters or my wife these names. And the same is true for attacking my opponent.”
Don’t count on it.
That’s what’s so annoying about the damn kool-ade drinkers. Obama spins this line of bs about “New Politics” and “I’m a uniter, not a divider” while attacking Clinton and inviting Republicans in to undermine the Democratic selection. Then, when he gets called on his bs, it’s “well, he’s just a politician, they all do it.” Yeah, and his entire schtick is that he’s the butter-won’t-melt-in-his-mouth-hope-change-kitties anti-politician, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t attack attack attack and then whine and cry when it comes back to you.
He should stop stealing lines from Deval Patrick and ask him for advice on how to handle stuff like this. Patrick took this “high road” approach, but he *really meant it.* Not even when his opponent was running vicious racial attacks on his own family did he allow his supporters to sink to this level, ever. He had not one second’s hesitation in calling this stuff out and saying you’re better than this, And she was a Republican, for god’s sake. Either represent what you claim you and call this garbage out, or just admit that it’s all about winning, and if alienating the people who do most of the door knocking and phone banking and envelope stuffing and voting in this party helps you, then that’s exactly what you’ll do. And then you’ll guilt trip them when they are fed the hell up.
I’ve just about given up. I’ll vote for the guy if he gets the nomination, but I’d be embarassed as hell asking anyone else to. What am I going to say, “Well, gee, we may think you’re C—- only fit for making the coffee and giving us bjobs–but, uh, the Republicans hate you too! Besides, you owe us your votes!” Yeah.
additionally pay attention to the racism and muslim baiting on this very site…
Yeah right. While I work overtime to remove any instances that I find or which are reported to me. But never mind that — just spew.
well, linking to Schlussel’s site is pretty bad, in and of itself. Maybe you should read some of her racist rants sometime…
Doesn’t keep folks from quoting Jesse Jackson (who also preached anti-semitism) in the media and more, huh?
You’re continuely digging yourself a 6×3 foot hole.
A = C!
I see the advent of an internet “PacMan” autonomously eating all references to reality.
It is not possible to touch infinity and live to tell about.
I Robot
I feel she’s been largely snubbed by her male colleagues in the senate thus far (thanks a lot, Dodd!
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Fair point, but lets look at all the women that have not stood by her. I have always promoted the point in public and at work that if you are qualified, you have a fair shot, race or gender. Now I knew that was not true, but I tried to make it so.
I am retired now, so I do not have as much contact with people. However when I hear a female complain about the glass ceilings, I am going to ask how they voted in the primaries. If they did not vote for Hillary, I have the comment, you did not stick up for your gender for Hillary, why should I for you. If they say they voted for a minority, then my answer is: choices have consequences. The real issue here is qualifications. She is and he is not. Period!
If they say they did not like her personality. Again I say: choices have consequences.
I wonder if there is not a pchcological bias agains woment instilled by the churches. I was raised catholic and definitely saw is there.
Yup - I am bitter.
I live in Michigan. I worked for the local Democratic party. If Hillary wins I will contribute and support her. I am going to the district delegate selection and a last pasta fundraiser and tell people good buy. It was nice knowing you, but I no longer think the party represents me. I did that with Move On also. I have not renewed my DNC membership
Also - I have come to the conclusion that if it is Obama and McCain, I have the feeling that McCain is not better, but will do less harm
It’s time to recognize that choices are being made and it’s time that the consequences be applied
I wonder if the Hillary strategy is to stay firm and near even with the delegate vote, Obama may screw up. Not likely, but could happen.
It was awfully nice of Obama to retire Dodd’s campaign debt. But I’m sure that had nothing to do with the endorsement.
Is that true? Is there a link??
Really?! Do tell!
“Let’s face it…Y’all Got Suckered By Matt Drudge“
An unbelievable amount of woman hate has come out in this campaign. I have been active in the feminist movement at different times during my life yet after all of that, I still didn’t know there was near this level of it.
This is how some of his supporters think and talk, though. We have all seen it on some of the most popular supposedly liberal blogs on the net and in the media, lately. One of the most disappointing developments that i have seen also associated with his supporters is that the some of the young people coming up in their twenties and older, have no concept of what came before them and the struggles that played out in the past to get them where they are today, whether it is in the area of civil rights for people of color or women, they have no appreciation of what people have fought for and the respect we had hoped to bring to the world for people. They want to jump to the head of the line pushing everyone else out of the way and trample them in the process. They think they are the first group of people ever fighting for change. They take their situations for granted and could care less about anything like respect for women, older people, previous democratic activists or whatever. They feel fine about trampling all in their efforts to bring about benefits in their own lives for themselves. It is selfishness and instant gratification that brings this on. Their parents failed miserably in passing on a little bit of respect and humanity. I fear that these are the people pushing Obama on us, and what does that say about him along with it. How is it that he is attractive to this kind of person?
This comes from the top, Scotch. I’ve noticed this too, and Hillary made this point when she said MLK “put himself on the line” and faced firehoses to get stuff done.
I hope McCain makes a point of this and I’ve already seen him start to do so.
It’s this culture of narcissism that Susan talked about - 60 Minutes did a story on this generation and all the trouble companies need to go through to get these kids not to quit their jobs.
Sometimes I feel as though I am the only one noticing this about this new generation, and then I feel old like maybe this is the way everyone feels when they get older, and I am only 51, it’s not like I’m 80 or something. Like a curmudgeon. But it is so blatently narcisstic, and i don’t remember being this bold and selfish when I was in my twenties. I would have liked to see the 60 mins program. When was that on?
Don’t mistake hatred for Clinton as anti-woman hate. Hillary has a lot of blunders lies and mistakes to answer for. And every time she is questioned about it she claims media bias or that she is unfairly attacked. It’s pissing people off. And rightly so. Her petty and disgusting campaign tactics have earned her the bad names. Sorry you don’t like it but it is the nature of the beast. Hillary needs to stop pretending she is a weak woman and get real. She needs to stop these menopausal like attacks and stick to the facts.
I defy anyone of you that claim sexism on this campaign to find anything said about Hillary Clinton that is more serious that people saying Barack Obama could be assassinated id he gets elected.
People have said it over and over again. It’s not that she is a woman. They can handle a woman president. Just not her. So grow up. stop crying, and lets take a real hard look at Clinton before you start to pander to her faux victimization.
People,
Beware of “false flag” operations potentially being run by our friends the Republicans. They are QUITE capable of exacerbating the high emotions of this primary season through dirty tricks; i.e., by planting horrible racist and sexist bile on the web and trying to leave the impression that these are legitimate expressions of those from EITHER the Clinton or Obama camps. Please remember that whatever the ultimate outcome of the primary season for the Democrats, the real adversary will be the one with the (R) after their name. This nation must not have another Right Wing Nutbag for its president.
My preferred candidates are no longer in the running, but I can see what I will need to do come November. Don’t let Republican dirty tricksters sowing dissension in the Democrats’ ranks (or the actions of extremist partisans for either Obama or Clinton) suppress the votes needed to assure a Democratic victory. Remember, you’ve seen the expertise in vote suppression, voter caging and outright election fraud of which the Republicans are capable. Before you hand them an easy victory, make sure that you really know the facts about the origin of this provocative crap before it determines your willingness to vote for “the other guy or gal” if your preferred candidate loses. You must know how crucial the votes of women will be towards a Democratic victory, yes? So ask yourself, like the ancient Romans used to do,CUI BONO, who profits from this dissension? If women are convinced that candidate Obama associates himself with these sexist abominations, and are discouraged from voting for him (should he be the nominee), the beneficiaries are clearly the Republicans. And by the same token, any racist abominations, supposedly originating with the Clinton partisans, might have the same vote-suppressing effect with black voters and Obama partisans in general.
Smells like KARL ROVE to me. You wanna be HIS pawn?
I didn’t think so.
Off Topic - I’ve been a community organizer. Should I run for president? I worked with a group to stop overturn approval to an architect to built an apartment complex because it was all wrong for the neighborhood.
What did Obama accomplish as a community organizer?
My question is–why wasn’t he “community organizing” the folks living in that Rezko housing??…if you could even call it housing….
God, it sounds like you really worked at it. I figure for him it was a lot about long lunches, long phone calls, and loads of schmoozing.
And telling people how great he is.
There you go again, Fred. Making me giggle.
Nominating Obama is going to be one of the biggest mistakes that the Democratic party will ever make. His nomination virtually insures the Republicans holding on to the White House. And, if by some slim chance, Obama makes it to the Oval Office, the Republicans it congress and the neo-cons who control the MSM will shred him. This has all the earmarks for a disaster for this country. I am sick at heart watching this. I am sick at the pass on the misogynistic reporting, blogging, buttons, tee-shirts. I am sick of the accusations by the Obama camp that Clinton camp is “attacking” but gets a pass when they do the same. I am sick and I have to turn away. It is out of my hands and I feel hopeless.
Did you notice the other week when Hillary was challenging Obama to debates in Wisconsin - headlines all over the place said “Hillary Goes ALL OUT Negative” - the meat of the story was she challenged him to debates, then ran ads that he wouldn’t debate.
The only positive of this is after Hillary loses, some will see how irrational their Hillary hatred was.
Yes I understand the sentiments. The Democrats are really losing it and they don’t even know it. I’m leaving the party for good. Can’t stomach it anymore.
Leave some bread crumbs on your way? K?
I feel the same…but I’m trying to remain hopeful until Tuesday. It sure is hard to do. I’m a little nervous about next week. If Hillary doesn’t do well, I’m afraid that I’ll be even more disappointed than I was with the Gore mess and the Kerry loss. I’m saying a prayer for us ALL.
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Let them know you want them to get to the real source of the Obama Photo posted at FreeRepublic.
Point out these hateful mysogynist attacks.
Seriously folks, what is everyone really going to do now that the Democratic Party has dissed us big time? I have voted in EVERY election and primary since I came of age. I have voted absentee. But I have decided not to vote in Nov. I’m an AA Hillary supporter who had planned to support the nominee in the end. But that was before all the Obamatons and their aggressive behavior, the rampant Hillary hatred, the EXTREME bias of the MSM that they laugh openly in our faces about or have you all not noticed? And finally the misogyny. That was the perverbial straw. That puts me in a rock and a hard place territory. I just can’t vote for a Republican. But I will not get on the UNITY BANDWAGON the way that top democrats have treated Hillary. Dodd came out for Obama today. They’re not even letting the primary play out. They have basically said to her he’s won, you are dividing the party, be a good girl and fold your tent. Sorry, but I’d rather see a McCain presidency. Shocking from an AA. They have pitted 2 minorities against each other and I bet they are calculating how to manipulate a ticket to bring us women back into the fold. Obama will pick a female running mate, not Hillary, probably Claire what’s her name from Missouri, a state Hillary lost my a hair. These are nasty arrogant people that I now want to see lose.
Also, I’m not one of these hot-headed capricious types. I am very calculating in my decisions and once I make up my mind NOTHING will change it. I am only one person, but I have declared war!!!
Yes I will not be able to bring myself to vote for Obama either. I can’t stomach looking at him as he just appears so dishonest. Maybe I’m hallucinating because I just don’t see what the Obamazoids are seeing.
We are not progressing and the Dems are falling right into the Repubs clutches once again.
It is all just too beyond me at this point. I’m revolted.
It is not your bad acid Hope, it’s Senator Obamas that spiked the punch bowl.
you guys are idiots, and Naderites. I can’t see why you bother to get out of bed in the morning, or follow politics at all? You’re gonna let McCain win cause some nobody, not remotely related to the Obama campaign is a big meany? Pathetic.
Boo hoo.
I’ve already decided that if he’s the nominee, I’m going to keep reporting just like I am now.
In 2004, I forced myself to back John Kerry, that wind-surfing dweeb who I knew would not make a particularly good president. For the sake of “unity” and because the fear of Bush was so overpowering.
It’s gotten silly. It’s irrational. I’ve never gotten the “vote a straight ticket” thing because it’s an unthinking act, and because at least in my state we’ve had some great Republicans, including governors. For a while, I’ve done it because I felt we needed to take the country in a different direction. But Obama will sell us all down the river by compromising on Social Security, Medicare, etc., along with his CONSERVATIVE economic advisers.
(And I have zero guilt about it — in my state, my vote probably won’t matter anyway. Unless the conservatives in this state come out in droves for McCain. But I WILL (!) support the state Dem candidates I favor — and I will work hard for them. Because I know they’re good. It’ll help me get through the coming months.)
Boo Hoo? yer the one who’s crying about it! Just admit that obama is too liberal for your right of center ass!
First of John WITHERspoon. MY ass is directly under me and Obama is not a liberal at all in my view. He is a composite of all that Americans project on him to be. He would actually make a better republican candidate than Senator McCain; considering the Pond Scum of Chicago politics from whence he came and his “Uniter not Divider” BS. “Community Activist” to Obama is code for feeling guilty, (if thats possible for a misogynist SOB) he did not help his constituents. On moral grounds alone I would not vote for him which has zip to do with political leanings.
With Senator Obama, it is all about
“The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys”
As for the Boo Hoo, I have no time to dwell on FEELING anything much about it.
I do how ever understand and have compassion for those in this country that are honest and caring souls and view this Magic Theater parade as being adrift from the moorings of reality.
I agree with SusanUNPC that it is critical to pursue what makes positive progress closer to reality.
methinks you dont understand the meaning of that song… Obama is not liberal enough for me, but is clearly more liberal than hillary.
methinks you dont understand the meaning of that song
You funny guy eh? You who seeks enlightenment…poor grasshopper. Go get your own degree in lit or music or philosopy.
Can you say Abbey Road? or is Yellow Submarine more your speed.
why would I get a useless degree in some subject where i basically read what other people wrote, and then comment on it, like someone gives a big shit what i say?
I got an email today from students of Professor John Witherspoon, dean of the School of Political Bullshit. They felt really cheated to have spent so many hours attempting to get a job with their new degree. Every time they went to get a job in a campaign, the staffers would interview them to understand their political accumen. They would respond with their fine education and the staffers ended up laughing their asses off at them.
Feeling had, they want their fucking money back. But since the Political School of Fantastic Shit had closed shop and moved along like a bad telemarketting company, they are up shit creek without a paddle.
(update: I just received a text message from the student, they found a job with Matt Drudge. so all is well)
haha, oh wait…
Feels like it Teak.