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Mr. Johnson, who worked previously with the Central Intelligence Agency and U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism, is a recognized expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, crisis and risk management.
Mr. Johnson has analyzed terrorist incidents for a variety of media including the Jim Lehrer News Hour, National Public Radio, ABC's Nightline, NBC's Today Show, the New York Times, CNN, Fox News, and the BBC. Mr. Johnson has authored several articles for publications, including Security Management Magazine, the New York Times, and The Los Angeles Times. He has lectured on terrorism and aviation security around the world, including the Center for Research and Strategic Studies at the Ecole Polytechnique in Paris, France. He represented the U.S. Government at the July 1996 OSCE Terrorism Conference in Vienna, Austria.
From 1989 until October 1993, Larry Johnson served as a Deputy Director in the U.S. State Department’s Office of Counter Terrorism. He managed crisis response operations for terrorist incidents throughout the world and he helped organize and direct the US Government’s debriefing of US citizens held in Kuwait and Iraq, which provided vital intelligence on Iraqi operations following the 1990 invasion of Kuwait. Mr. Johnson also participated in the investigation of the terrorist bombing of Pan Am 103. Under Mr. Johnson’s leadership the U.S. airlines and pilots agreed to match the US Government’s two million-dollar reward.
From 1985 through September 1989 Mr. Johnson worked for the Central Intelligence Agency. During his distinguished career, he received training in paramilitary operations, worked in the Directorate of Operations, served in the CIA’s Operation’s Center, and established himself as a prolific analyst in the Directorate of Intelligence. In his final year with the CIA he received two Exceptional Performance Awards.
Mr. Johnson is a member of the American Society for Industrial Security. He taught at The American University’s School of International Service (1979-1983) while working on a Ph.D. in political science. He has a M.S. degree in Community Development from the University of Missouri (1978), where he also received his B.S. degree in Sociology, graduating Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa in 1976.See Authors Posts (874) on February 27, 2008 at 9:28 PM in Current Affairs
Not complicated. No nuance. Very straightforward. Is there any member of your staff–presidential campaign or senatorial office (including district staff)–who is a member of the Nation of Islam? If no, then never mind. We will condemn Debbie Schlussel for spreading a vicious unfounded rumor. But if the answer is yes, then you have a problem.
There are certain groups and individuals that should not be allowed anywhere near an office of public trust like the Presidency. Nazis, KKK, David Duke, and the Nation of Islam. This is not about being anti-black. If the individuals in question were members of CORE or the NAACP no problem. Those groups push for equality. They don’t preach a form of racism and hate. It is up to Senator Obama to be very clear and precise–no member of his staff will belong to or associate with any organization that preaches hatred and racial division.
UPDATE: Here’s a challenge. Please call the Obama campaign and see if they will deny this. For folks like Cee this should be a no brainer. Here’s your chance to defend the honor of your guy. But what happens when they refuse to comment?
[p.s., Special thanks to Susan for shouldering the burden of the blog these past few days. I was incommunicado in the wilds of Yellowstone National Park. I'll report on that later. But meanwhile, thanks Susan!]
Larry,
Obama was clear.
I don’t agree with you that people should be denied WORK based on their personal beliefs.
The ACLU is on my side on this.
Here is an example of Hillary being a hypocrite.
From New York Daily News reporter Michael McAuliffe’s pool report. He was with Sen. Clinton today for a round of satellite interviews.
She was asked by KTVT in Dallas about a Latina backer who said that black politicians never do anything for Hispanics. Her name is Adelfa Callejo. Apparently she’s 84.
[The question: "She recently told us that African-Americans never help Hispanics when they gain power and influence and that she would never vote for Sen. Obama, and now quoting here she said 'Obama’s problem is that he happens to be black.' How do you react to those comments?"]
The newscaster quoted her saying “Obama’s problem is that he happens to be black.”
Clinton: “Well obviously I want us judged on our merits. I believe strongly that the fact that we have an Aftrican Ameircan and a woman running for the Democratic nomination is historical and I’m very very proud of that . I want people thought to look beyond, look beyond race and gender, look at our records, look what we stand for, look what we’ve done and I think that;s what most voters are looking for.”
Q (paraphrase) Is this something you reject and denounce?
“People have every reason to express their opinions. I just don’t agree with that. I think that we should be looking at the individuals who are running.”
Q - Do you still want her support, though?
Clinton laughed and said, “You know This is a free country. People…
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/
“I don’t agree with you that people should be denied WORK based on their personal beliefs.”
Really. Does that apply to Al Qaeda terrorists? I wouldn’t ask but he seems to like that scumbag Ayers.
Ralph,
Ask people in the intelligence agencies who have used them before.
I watch for an answer too.
I’ve observed your bias for many weeks, and it amazes me how you overlook obvious problems with Obama that you cannot see, hear, or think.
It appears pointless to try, but I am sure you will have an excuse for Obama’s reprehensible acceptance of Farrakhan’s endorsement and the hundreds of thousands of votes it gives Obama. That Farrakhan is a Black Fascist and enemy of this country doesn’t seem to concern you. Nor his blatant anti semitism for which he is famous. And the hate that he spreads without restraint.
Have you ever asked yourself why would Obama stay in a Church and remain friends with its pastor, Rev Jeremiah Wright, a follower and devotee of Louis Farrrakhan, if he himself were not beholden to this son of Islam, Farrakhan Black Fascist with a home grown army and billions raked in by his white hating, jew hating followers. Yes, they will be giving their votes to Obama.
When I find myself in a church whose pastor does not represent my ethics or worldwiew, I remove myself and become part of another church that is close to my beliefs not just of God, but of social justice and conscience.
NorrisMorris: Last paragraph,Same thought for me on drive home.
And sexism. Rampant in that group.
Yes, sexism. The defining schism of this elective process. It seems ok for Blacks to almost entirely endorse Obama. Men or Women blacks.
But…it’s not ok for women to endorse a woman because “I won’t vote for anyone just because she’s a woman, blah. We mean white or some latina women, because black women have gone “Obama”.
But I have never seen the degree of invective,smut,foul language, and sexist attacks on women so out there. On a Google blog, a black man’s face on a yellow TShirt printed in black says, “A Ho’ for O”. The “C” word with unprintable language about Hillary’s body parts are discussed in language and intent demeaning of all women.The blogs are obsessed with sexist hatred, slurs,sexual innuendo.
The sexism is exposed and it is a sickness that will derange our society. Obama’s promises cannot even touch the degree of contempt for women I see in print, on TV, and on the net.
And ugly though it may be, woman actually are not voting in their interest. But blacks are. Latinos are.
Women have actually preferred to be ruled by men in a society that encourages “getting the man”, and empahasizes vulgarity and exaggerated sexually driven debasing behavior in our sitcoms,videos,and the woman is still….the bait. Dressing and behaving like sluts is highly regarded in our media.
Women are still afraid to be strong and ambitious if it alienates their perceived ability to atttract a man in our society’s definitions of availability. “Getting” a man is still more important to women than acting in their self interest.
Other minorities like the blacks and latinos, never give it a second thought. Both men and women support their interests almost all the time.
The sexism is exposed and it is a sickness that will derange our society. Obama’s promises cannot even touch the degree of contempt for women I see in print, on TV, and on the net.
World wide and as long as the history of humandkind.
Though I am not sure by your post if you mean to say the subjugation of women in our society is perpetuated by women or men.
ala cultural conditioning.
Yes. Absolutely correct.
If Clinton were to get the nomination, I would expect blacks to riot. How I wish I could say the same about women if Obama is nominated.
Watching women like Dowd and the women they allow on MSM humiliate themselves by trashing Hillary is extremely painful.
Part of the problem is that women do not have neighborhoods, it is harder for us to develop a sex solidarity. We are raised from minute one in intimate contact with males and the patriarchal family. Rarely is there anyone to encourage our pride or resistance. We spend years, decades, struggling to find each other.
The main problem, along with why the ERA doesn’t become an amendment, is women want it both ways. They want to be pampered by their boyfriends, but want all the perks of being equals.
When I was in school working in restuarants, the guys resented doing all the heavy work (lifting especially), as they felt it unfair. So I started carrying the heavy boxes myself, and they saw that I did the same, and never griped to me about it again.
If women want to be equals, they HAVE to actually do equal work. Not want to be both special and equal.
Being equal doesn’t equate to lifting heavy boxes. Sheesh, I have had to lift heavy boxes for men for years. I don’t think of them as “less equal” because I happen to be strong in body. But a weaker man, in body, shouldn’t lose his place in line for promotion because I have a strong back and legs. That isn’t what it means to be treated equally under the law.
Yes, equal work in some measurement, but if you make it about “lifting especially”, then we’d have really redraw the map of equality among men too.
ChrisXp, I agree that some women want both ways, but only because, in my opinion and experience talking to very self aware women, they live in a world that hasn’t made the paradigm shift about gender roles and liberation.
My wife always says of the women in the world who want the ‘traditonal role’…”well that is their right too, but don’t dare impose it on me, or I’ll whip your ass.”
And she can….
I never have to think about protecting her. I usually have to ask her to Not whip someone’s ass. When we ever run into trouble, i’m not the worst case scenario, if you get my drift. She’ll tear your head off before I finish debating you.
I don’t give her the options, I accept her options and suggestion options.
I don’t give her room to be herself. She is herself and I have to learn to back the fuck off once in a while, to check myself.
Most men and boys were raised to dominate or accept dominance as a paradigm. Women have also been raised to accept that same role of the dominance game. In both categories, men and women can overcome those Gender Roles.
Now, superman, go lift some boxes. I’ve got to mow the lawn. (grunt)
Chris XP:
Okay let’s get back to the basics regarding Biology vs. Destiny. If you want men and women to do equal work, let men birth their own children. Let them give birth to the children of men through their anal vaginas. Let them go through days of labor and then succumb to unnecessary C-Sections. I say let them suckle their young via their underdeveloped mammary glands.
Go and birth a few children, the people of this planet, then go thank a mother not a motherfucker.
Your concern is noted, and appreciated, if questionably reasoned.
Do you really believe what you write?
Sounds like you do, and it’s dangerous.
For you.
I heard on the news today Connie is heading to the mid east next week, again to address the usual issues.
In researching the Bamsters ties to the Arabs, through Rezko, I of course came upon Bush and Cheney’s financial ties, too, Bush and Cheney connected to the same Sultans of Swing, and Petroleum, the Arab oil men who OWN American politicians, OWN them, in the Arab way, that whole BCCI, Suisse Bank crowd, same as the Bamalama, now the Bamalama of swing, as he too, is just another political whore, an oil bitch, bought and paid for….
Bush never stood a chance if asserting ANY control, implementing ANY American foreign policy, ANYWHERE, starting from the moment he stole the Presidency, accepting huge Arab oil man subsidies, same with Cheney, and the Bamalamadingdong. Bush goes to the Saudis, the Saudis don’t go to the American President.
Tsk tsk, your plans were DOA, Mr President.
Arab oil men tell Bush/Cheney what to do, Arab oil men OWN the Presidency, at least they think they do. They certainly own Bush.
And that should explain everything, the UTTER FAILURE of every Bush policy in the middle east, from the war, to oil prices, to Russian/Iranian hegemony, COMPLETE impotency, Bush and Cheney, the total limpness of American foreign policy, under the republicans.
And there will be more of the same with the Bamster, were he to be elected.
And Israel is screwed, it’s over.
And Connie?
Send a letter, don’t bother, they wrote off Cheney and Bush a long time ago, Bush never had a chance, WHORING himself, and the VP, for Arab oil money.
Same with the Bamalama.
You guys were DOA, and you still don’t know.
Moron foo!
If you step outside of American egocentricity, and look upon the Presidency as a extension of the main Arab OPEC oil cartel, everything falls into place, especially the disastrous Middle East policy decisions.
If Saudi Arabia ran America, what would happen?
Bush and Cheney, would, as well as Obama.
That’s what happens when you take billions of dollars from oil cartels.
And little Bush, and Cheney, aren’t Baker.
And little Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld don’t like being owned, do they, this not being what they had planned, complete and total policy failure, total capitulation.
Ah, but, you know business.
And notice that every question about Obama is answered with but, but, Clinton. I seem to remember a short time ago when the Wingnuts used the same ploy every time anyone had the audacity to question GWB.
Typical.
This is a very clear article with specific questions for Mr Obama. Yet, as usual, an Obama supporter can not talk specifics about Obama….just a comment about … “He was clear”…..ummm….Obama has never answered these questions.
So you give us a one liner…Obama was clear…and then a documentary on Hillary. If it wasn’t for Hillary Obama people would have nothing to talk about!
Obama’s associations should be a concern from every single American! AND ….. Obama SHOULD EXPECT direct questions and scrutiny…and he SHOULD give us open exact answers!!!!!
AND…what in the world are you worried about? IF Mr Obama is a fresh new smelling rose like we are bing led to believe…..then what is the problem!
You should WELCOME the questions… he should be delighted to provide the answers….then maybe we COULD ALL UNITE behind him enthusiastically as our President!
OR are you afraid of the truth?
Obama himself in 2004… stated he does not have the experience to be running for President in 2008. So why now? What is the rush to the White House about? Bush rushed us to war….and people are trying to rush OBama to the White House.
IF he is as great as people say…just think how superior he would be in 2012 or 2016!!!!!
What is the rush?
What is the fear of people asking appropriate questions of someone who is trying to be our President?
We leave here too!
Amazed.
Obama has hidden behind rhetoric and glibness.
He needs serious vetting, but Press is cowed with accusations of being racist, and obsessed with several other matters. Their usual opportunistic whorish enabling [a la Bush]is for access and TV shelf life. Without this there is no 24/7 news cycle. This is their ace card. Other issue is over riding sexism and the snide behavior of Chris Matthews, Russert, and the pack who really do not want ANY woman in power on this level.
At some point there may be an awakening as to who Obama has been bunking with. I know, and it ain’t good. But unless the press gives this legs, Obama’s back story remains a blur of largely fictional material.
I’m waiting for the real thing. The Jewish vote will be lost, I assure you if Farrakhan’s involvement with Obama in Chicago with the Black Muslim movement and the admiration of one of America’s main anti semites is revealed for what it is. Endorsement and votes. What will Obama owe this outlaw self professed Black Fascist?
We are on the brink of seeing the Son Of Islam and the company he keeps.
You are right. The truth will set us free.
Remember?
The video of this woman that Hillary won’t denounce
http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=26467@ktvt.dayport.com
Cee,
Associations matter. Are you saying it is okay to have a neo-Nazi staffer in the White House? A skinhead?
Sorry, but I think it matters. Why do you excuse such behavior? I don’t deny folks the right to join the Nation of Islam. They enjoy that freedom in this country and should. But such people are not entitled to work for the President. They hold views that violate the very essence of our Constitution.
Larry,
They aren’t people I would vote for but if they aren’t criminals, we shouldn’t infringe upon on their rights to work or even run for office.
What views do NOI members have that violate the Constitution? I guess I need to get my copy to check.
David Duke ran. You see what happened.
I don’t excuse the behavior. I just love liberty.
of course they have a right to run for office. as you mention, david duke ran for office. but then…we oppose them for the most obvious reasons. David Duke is a racist. He didn’t get any votes outside his racist base, and he isn’t in office.
But that isn’t what LJ was saying. LJ was making a statement of his values. “nowhere near office” is his strong political view, and I agree with his overall sentiment.
There is no constitutional prohibition against being a racist, it is a collective disposition. if we were to consider, say…fred phelps, the racist homophobic hate monger, wouldn’t you say, “that man has no business being president.” that is a statement of your limits.
I agree with Larry’s overall view on this. I will respond directly to his comments below. But he isn’t saying a racist can’t have a job. He said they have no business in our government.
thats because Larry J values the integrity of our government.
when you overread his comments, you will argue more with your own interpretations than his words, a common honest mistake perhaps.
Anarchy cannot be one of the cornerstones of Obama’s pal’s beliefs. It runs counter to our constitution, our safety, our morality, and the conscience with which we function as moral decent human beings. He must disassociate himself from this group or any like it.
In spite of Obama’s rhetoric, he must sharply cut from this anarchistic group that undermines everything our democracy stands for. He cannot as President be associated with any part of any outlaw organization that operates on prejudice, hatred, and intimidation, and that preaches anarchy in any form.
The Nation of Islam cannot possibly be represented by an American President, or in fact by any of their affiliates.
It appears obvious that anyone would understand this, but Cee seems to think anything Obama wants is ok. Why? This is also political suicide.
what are you talking about “anarchy” for?
I am fundamentally an anarchist. Whats wrong with that? I don’t believe in illegitimate authority at all. I believe only in consensus.
But…because I don’t live, and we can’t acheive an anarchistic model, I will then work to at least check the authority that does exist.
Then again, I ain’t running for office, and wouldn’t.
Anarchist groups usually aren’t actually anarchist at all. They are usually using the word to draw reactionaries in, stimulate rebellion only. I don’t want simple rebellion. I want people to question authority, check if it is at all legitimate authority.
As with communism, the ideal state of equality cannot be reached because of greed, ignorance and corruption. So I’ll seek the closest to my model while lightly accepting that the masses have agreed to have an authoritative system.
I do not condone the mindless acts of violence that were committed by the Weather Underground, and the lack of any consideration to this day from William Ayers. It does not solve a damn thing, as it mimics what it hates.
Just a thought on Anarchy, not your criticism of some “anarchist” who really isn’t one anyway.
Crhis wrote:
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I am fundamentally an anarchist.
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Then you believe in destroying not only societies, but civilizations. For anarchy is what destroys them.
Anarchy is to civilizations, as poison is to life.
no, it isn’t.
that is what people may believe. anarchy simply means “without authority”. I do not believe in authority outside consensus. I accept authority exists. but you can have a civilization with consensus. societies can exist with consensus.
anarchy does not mean chaos.
Not what folks *may* believe, it IS the truth.
Without law and some semblence of order, hunter/gathers would’ve never settled down to create the complex societies that formed civilizations.
The cornerstone of all civilizations is a well formed and executed government
To destroy the cornerstone would mean we’ll return to be hunter/gathers, and shun humanity.
and another way to say is…thats what I’d like. thats what I wish we could have. But knowing human nature, I already accept it won’t happen. so, no I don’t believe in destruction of society or civilizations.
read the following definition:
a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.
In other words return to be hunter/gatherers. Which means to be but beasts again. Which means the human in humanity will cease to exist.
Anarchy is pure Darwinism in principle.
no, not hunter gatherers.
did you ever read Thomas Payne’s common sense? he starts by clearly stating that Government is established because human beings have vices that muck up our ability to simply live and let live. He considered Government to be a ‘necessary evil’.
His position closely describes my ideal. I already know we cannot acheive this. But still because of my believes, I do not work to make More Government.
Consensus models only work in smaller groups, but there are many villages around the world where they aren’t hunter gatherers in the dark ages.
The people agree to their participation. They aren’t coerced into doing so. They vent disagreements with respect for the whole, and establish agreements to remedy issues.
People could still Serve the whole in positions of Public Servants, but they wouldn’t Lord over them.
And Anarchy, isn’t pure Darwinism. You’ll have to explain why you see it that way, I can’t guess your reasoning. It is participatory. It isn’t chaos. It isn’t lack of order. While the dictionary may define Anarchy to mean that, its because that is how it lives in the culture. But as a political philosophy, it is not that.
There are people who espouse “anarchy” as their way, and they simply want to be justified in acting like assholes, but if you take a look at the psychological position they are taking…they actually need Authority to rebel against, or they wouldn’t be “anarchists”. But then they simply legitimize that authority.
if you aren’t open to the discussion without sticking to other definitions as if they are mine, then I can’t really dialogue with you about it.
Putting words in my mouth isn’t listening.
( and frankly ChrisXP, I respect so many of your posts, it would be a regret to have that disintegrate over this. leave that to the John Witherspoon asshole types)
go fuck yourself!
now,…that is the smartest thing you’ve said all day. Bravo!
Many would if they could
Thomas Paine wouldn’t even have known about hunter/gatherers to make a comparison of what is known TODAY.
That’s like Newton knew of Einstein’s work!!
What we have learned since Thomas Paine is more of our civilizations, not filtered by the fragment lenses of the historical record.
He based his views on what was known of civilization and government in the mid and late 18th century. Today those views have radically changed (especially in piecing together the complexity of the civilizations of the Mayans and Aztecs, let alone the Egyptians/Greeks/Romans). The 19th century Europeans didn’t help by Romanticizing aspects of the Roman Empire that patently didn’t even exist, based on what has been recovered to date!
We now know that early man settled from little bands of about 40 people, to form larger societies. In order for such societies of 40+ individuals to live and work together, laws were created and enforced so they could live without all out bloodshed. These laws, and even cultural taboos were created to keep the masses placid, so they wouldn’t tear each other down.
Anarchy is to throw that glue away. It’ll disassemble the societies, and from that level, civilizations will fall. Returning back to bands of 40 members persuing meat over 100,000 years ago.
Don’t know about you, but I’d prefer my computer, TV, and not trying to kill the next roving band to have supper, thank you.
Chris, you keep trying to define Anarchy through One lense. That isn’t helping you understand where I’m coming from. So if you simply wish to be dominant in the defintion that you hold, this conversation isn’t possible because it isn’t a conversation. You are controlling the definitions in the most narrow sense.
What you are describing as “hunter gatherer” is sometimes called, “Green Anarchism”, and that doesn’t fit with other forms of thought called “anarchism”.
There are many many “schools” of “anarchism”. To try to stick me in the ones that fit your view here will prevent you from hearing me. You keep inserting your view in here as to what Anarchism Is. But you haven’t studied it obviously outside a basic defintion of “tearing society apart”. That is narrow.
So, we can’t converse on this. my loss, not yours.
Cee,
A female 34 year old AA government employee told me today she wouldn’t vote for Hillary because she has “emotional surges”. Who should I report her to?
General Petraeus?
Thank you again for a moment of my youth, Moonbeam, Fugazi rides again!!!!
Cee -
As you obviously tried to do a great deal of searching for something to say, how about answering the question on the table?
The question is whether the Senator from Chicago with lots of indicted and convicted friends has folks working for him who belong to the Nation of Islam (NOI)?
From today’s Dallas Morning News…
What are you saying?? I know a zillion things that Obama’s “backers” have said and done that is derogatory to women (example the “Bros before Hos teeshirt). Has anyone ask Obama to denounce? How much time should Obama spend going around knocking down those comments? Huh, Anyone??
As for people working for Obama (senator or campaign or otherwise), that is a fair question. However, I do take issue with equating NOI with the KKK. The NOI has in large part helps a large segment of the AA prison population become productive (or less destructive) indiviuals back into the population. The KKK has killed countless of people simply for the color of their skin, regilious or sexual preference. The NOI is not the KKK.
However, there are similarities between the KKK and NOI. Both promote what I believe is a overblown importance of themselves and aggressive speech. The difference is the KKK speech manifest in large part to violent; NOI it does not.
Obama should be asked the question.
From the reply that was given to the Larry Johnson question I now know that, Yes Senator Obama WILL have the followers of Isham working for him. Even though Islam has two main goals at this time. The first is the destruction of Isreal. The second is the destruction of the United States. The leaders of Islam have stated many times that the only way to destroy the Great Satan is from within.
Senator Obama was raise in a Moslum country. It would be impossible for him not to have the teachings of Islam ingrained into his being. I personally will not consider Senator Obama as anything other than a threat to this country until I see and hear him make a pledge to this country and none other. I also want to see his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Alliegence to this country.
Am I wrong or did I see the Senator get sworn into the senate with his hand on the Quran instead of the Bible? If he is a Christian why would he do this?
I have been a die hard Democrat my whole life. I am very proud of that fact. This year will be the first time in many years that I will not be supporting the Democratic party. Unless my fears for our country are addressed I will campain in order to have anyone other than Senator Obama elected.
To put this as blunt as possible. Is Senator Obama a member of or a supporter of Islam? If he is elected president will he try to destroy us from within? One thing I do know is that he cannot serve our country and Islam. May God help all or us.
One individual expressing a point of view is not what the NOI is. The NOI is an organization that promotes home grown terrorist activities. No different than the KKK or the Aryan Brotherhood.
You can belong to any organization you so wish, as an individual citizen. But, when you take the oath of office to defend the Constitution of the United States, against “all enemies, foreign and domestic” such entanglements will put you at odds with carrying out that sworn duty.
“I don’t agree with you that people should be denied WORK based on their personal beliefs.”
Really - so I should employ a Joe McCarthy type from from Wisconsin.
I don’t think so!
Not in a political office serving the people
Fiscal,
Are you serious?
Euro,
Name a terrorist incident in the US committed by a member of the NOI.
For one the assassination of Malcolm X.
Euro,
Okay. Internal feud.
Do you have anything more recent that would impact the nation?
The killing of San Francisco reporter Chauncey Baily
Cee wrote:
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Okay. Internal feud.
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Huh? You’re that cavelier with life and death? By that non-reasoning a GOP operative could assassinate O-Bomba, because it’s a political feud.
Would that be “okay”????
Nice one, EG….Hey, where the heck did Cee go?
Cee,
Obama is free to hire whatever scoundrels and supporters of terrorism he pleases, and we are free to reject him for doing so.
Actually, he is not that free, as there’s laws he must obey like everyone else.
O-Bomba’s taste for company, is like associating with the KKK, the Neo-Nazi and Aryan Nation leaders and followers.
That’s absolutelty disgusting and evil.
Those organizations are protected to exercise their free speech, they’re not protected to take it into government where it can be abused to hurt and kill.
That’s a mile deep canyon in the sand to not cross.
There did not appear to be a lot of conviction behind his so-called denunciation of The Nation of Islam.
You cannot simply dismiss a person’s past, particularly recent past, without understanding that it is a window into this person’s character and beliefs.
What shocks me as a Jew is how unconcerned most Jews are about this man and his past.
What shocks me is that people in general not just jews are unconcerned about him!
He has already turned his back on the African Americans….they just don’t want to believe it. he refused to come off the campaign trail to speak at the State of the Black Union forum…..yet he did get off the campaign trail to make a speech at for his church (www.tucc.org) and that speech is now under investigation for possible finance violations.
In any regard, my point is, what every group you belong to, it is only a matter of time until he turns his back on each one. That is in his make up…..
he should be willing to answer all questions….
I would like to know if Obama did get elected if he will be sworn in on the Bible and if not we as a Nation have become much much too liberal.
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What shocks me as a Jew is how unconcerned most Jews are about this man and his past.
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Secular Jews wouldn’t care much, as secular Christians of religious/ethnic politics. Most Jews in the US are secular or Reform Jews (how else can they dominate the pornography business? No orthodox Jew would touch the filth with a 100ft pole).
The other problem is Jews don’t turn on Jews. Their community is tight on that matter (much like the mafia doesn’t rat out their own), so you can count out on them protesting when their Liberal brethen aren’t angered.
Now if it was someone like Mel Gibson, you’d have Jews in an uproar. Mel touched the victimology nerve, which Jews Left and Right would try to destroy (because you know the entire world hates Jews, and want to burn them alive, right?).
So no, they’re very silent, so silent you can hear a pin drop a mile away.
Oh, just as a reminder: Joe Lieberman, friend of Zionists worldwide, was O-Bomba’s mentor in the senate. So he’s been given another free pass.
This election is a fraud, guys, a complete and utter fraud.
Permission even encouragement to treat non Jews differently is in Deutoronomy
“Barack Obama and Me” (Barack Obama Screamed at Me)
http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/3
Details how Obama got to where he is (meteoric rise, did nothing for 6 years in the senate until the president of the senate decided to make him a US Senator and gave him leadership on lots of bills, he had almost no support from other black leaders when he ran in the US Senate primary, when this reporter dared to print that story Obama called him and screamed at him).
Lord knows what kind of hateful emails he will get for this.
Gives an interesting perspective from a real down to earth person. Thanks sam.
You catch the reference to “historical presevation” and “demolition of the projects”?
This is a brilliant piece of journalism. I’ve worked in the Illinois GA during the time this reporter describes, and he could not be more spot on (except for Pate Phillips being a race-baiter). Obama did nothing for years, and as the article says, Sen. Jones said, “I’m going to make me a US Senator.”
This could not be more accurate. You mut understand that Emil Jones, Jr. is one vile human being. He is one of the most corrupt politicians in Illinois, behind only Gov. Blagojevich and Mayor Daley, and he is a famous **shole. I listened to Obama and gave him a chance, but onceI hard hat Jones rhetoric, he lost me.
EVEYONE should read this article. It shows his State Senate experience was all built with help from the President of the Illinois State Senate, which is not just any position. In the Illinois GA, bills do not go anywhere without the approval of leadership. Jones essentially did BHOs work for him.
Kudos to this guy, someone who probably has the conscience to tell the truth about Illinois and Chicago dirty politics.
This website will not open for me.
The Nation of Islam is designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp
Oops!
Now the Southern Poverty Law Center will be besieged with attacks!
Taters,
I used to contribute to the Southern Poverty Law Center and still have a great deal of respect for Morris Dees. Is he still associated with them?
When they wouldn’t add the following group after some of us were threatend, they never got another penny from me.
http://www.jtf.org/america/america.jews.will.support.black.nazis.htm
http://www.jtf.org/america/america.new.york.times.news.fit.to.twist.htm
http://www.jtf.org/israel/israel.arab.moderates.part.one.htm
Fun site:
according to the SPLC the US border Patrol, the JDL and the Voz de Aztlan are hate groups too.
US Border Patrol? LOL!!
I was right. They lost their way.
Wonder if the Southern Poverty Law Center defines “Aipac” the same way?
Cee–You and McAuliffe need to pay more attention.
The 84 year old woman you cite gave a justifiable reason for her support (or lack thereof). She didn’t think blacks help Latinos. Fair enough. Right or wrong–that’s her opinion.
She did NOT say (as Louis Farrakhan does about whites) that she was not supporting a black candidate because they are ‘less evolved’, ’sneaky’, “sub-human.”etc. etc.
She does not appear to “HATE” anyone–she just thinks the issues she cares about will get more attention from a white woman than a black man. I mean, she’s 84, for chrissakes!– she’s old enough to decide for herself which candidate best meets her needs.
But at any rate , it is NOT parallel construction.
Sprega,
Hillary is a hypocrite. Deal with it.
Hillary is a thematic apperception test. It’s the goddamnedest thing. But handy. As I told a friend, if you want to get a quick read on a person, ask them why they dislike HRC.
Cee how many voters you think vote for someone out prejudice for the other person in the race?
Did that “little old lady” (sprite) threaten anyone? No?
It is a FREE country until you make a name for your self threating entire ethnicities.
And seriously, it does not matter to me who they are. Next they will be branding people with numbers on there wrists. Ooops, I ready saw that on a womens wrist who survived a concentration camp when a teen.
Cee:
As for calling the NOI killing of Malcolm X an “internal” feud, isn’t that just a tad bit dismissive?
I mean would you say that the assassinations of Martin Luther King Jr. or Medgar Evers were merely “internal” feuds between whites and blacks in the south?
Euro,
Did the death of Malcolm X have an impact on you?
It was an internal feud unless the government got one NOI member to kill Malcolm. Did they?
That may be the dumbest thing I’ve read in years.
did the government get an NOI member to kill Malcolm? What the hell are you trying to say? Murder isn’t murder unless the government is involved.
I will ask you one better.
If we are to believe that Barack Obama is going to unify us a country, make us better than we are today and help us see that we are only as strong as our weakest link, then men and women of vision impact us all.
I am certainly no Obama supporter, but the fact that Malcolm X was willing to call out both the financial fraud and moral hypocrisy of the organization’s founder (Elijah Mohammed) and realized that men of all colors could come together in peace; even in the face of death threats, meant that he was willing to put his life on the line to correct a wrong.
That is my problem with Obama. He talks about how he has been right on the war all along. Here’s the problem with that. He had nothing to loose when he gave his speech, as the state legislator of the most liberal district in Illinois at a University of Chicago anti-war rally [talk about preaching to the choir there!]
When you really put yourself on the line you may come out right, or you may come out wrong.
If you never really risk anything you can never be wrong. But, you will truly be right either.