Election Results Thread (Open)
By NoQuarter on March 4, 2008 at 7:21 PM in Current Affairs
UPDATE 6: Jeralyn is live-blogging a “jubilant” Hillary’s victory speech.
UPDATE 5: A reliable person tells me, “At precincts 664 and 792 in Houston, TX - major voter intimidation. The police have been called.” [OHIO and TEXAS CALLED FOR HILLARY!] [FOX News is emphasizing that Clinton can close the deal by continuing to emphasize the "Commander In Chief" meme. Now let's DONATE -- she needs every dime we can give her to seal this deal!]
UPDATE x4: SEE MY TRANSCRIBED NOTES OF THE REPORTER’S ACCOUNT. I am transcribing, the gist of it but nearly verbatim, this report by backing up the DVR, Brit Hume hosting, from Fox reporter Steve Brown at Clinton headquarters in Columbus, Ohio — No Quarter readers, this is dirty Chicago-style politics, all the way (find a friendly judge, game “cherry-picked” precincts):
Couple developments. One, there is some nervousness … turnout in southeast portion of state is lower than projected…. blamed on flooding. The other thing is a development that happened earlier this evening in Cuayoga (sp) County where a federal judge — the judge’s name is Solomon Oliver — extended the voting hours in a certain number of precincts (he thinks 19-21) based on an application made by the Barack Obama campaign attorney, or one of the attorneys … Now, for a judge to override the state law, and extend voting hours, there needs to at least be some evidence, or so you would think.
But I got a phone call from Chris Radford, who is the chair of the Ohio Democratic party. He took a look at the application, and the judge’s hand-signed order to extend the order, and he said there was no evidence. There was no evidence of a ballot shortage. There was no sworn deposition to long lines, nor was there any witness brought in to describe the bad weather. [Found the spot on my DVR, and am continuing to transcribe again.]
Apparently, Jennfier Bruner, the Secretary of State, discovered this — the extended voting had taken place — and it was just minutes before it closed. But it was her intention to close that down and at least appeal the judge’s order immediately, but it was six minutes to 9:00, and the voting had already just about been completed.
Now, on top of all this, you have a situation where Jennifer Bruner has been quoted on a blog on the Cincinnati Enquirer saying that these particular precincts were “cherry-picked.” I talked to a couple of Clinton officials who wouldn’t go on the record but I asked them, “Are these precincts largely African-American?” And what I got was a lot of nods. The Clinton campaign won’t say it publicly, but they believe that they have been put in a box by this situation. If they go strong and challenge the order, then they may offend some folks in the AA community …
Earlier: For a sanity break, check out Fox News. It’s news and some spin, but without the obsessively neurotic psychoanalyzing. Really. “The Clinton campaign has done some things right in the last three days … Obama may be hanging on by his fingernails …”
UPDATE x3: From Marc Ambinder at The Atlantic: “The Clinton campaign said tonight that Obama precinct workers illegally obtained caucus packets in the following Texas caucus precincts: …” He lists the precincts, more. Read all.
UPDATE x2: Obama Camp Infiltrates Clinton Call: “ABC News’ Teddy Davis and Talal Al-Khatib Report: In one of the most bizarre moments of the 2008 campaign, Obama campaign lawyer Bob Bauer called into a Hillary Clinton conference call with reporters, asking a series of antagonistic questions.” (Via MyDD diary) SEE ALSO, from The Hill: “Clinton cries foul in Texas; Obama lawyer hijacks call.” (”Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s (D-N.Y.) campaign charged rival Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-Ill.) campaign with breaking several rules in the Texas caucuses. …”)
… Obama campaign had shut the doors on Clinton supporters at some of the caucuses, among other things.
The campaign also said the Obama camp had hijacked some of the caucus packets at certain precincts, adding that in others Obama supporters were calling in caucus results before the polls had closed.
Ace Smith, Clinton’s Texas campaign director, said the state party’s election hotline was jammed, and the Clinton campaign was receiving “hundreds of complaints.”
“This is just truly outrageous behavior,” Smith said. “It’s really disturbing, and it’s really undemocratic what’s going on.”
UPDATE / Big Tent Democrat: “NBC, If You Don’t Want To Cover The Dem Race, Please Stop Covering It.” (From his story: “NBC seems upset that Hillary Clinton is not likely to drop out of the race tonight. They really seem to not want to cover this race anymore. I think the solution is simple. Do not cover the race NBC. …”) Amen, BTD. Go read it all.
Discuss anything about tonight that gets to you, fascinates you, thrills you, worries you. Via Todd Beeton at MyDD: Vermont (15 delegates): polls close 7 pm ET (declared for Obama/McCain) / Ohio (141 delegates): polls close 7:30 pm ET / Rhode Island (21 delegates): polls close 9 pm ET (Hillary has won RI) / Texas (193 delegates): polls close 9 pm ET.
A pal sent this YouTube to me last night. He knows the 15-year-old who created the video. Yes, it has a few little typos. But, I’m very impressed with this young man’s effort and research. I’ll be sure to tell my pal to let his friend know that his YouTube is up here:
I’m rooting for Mike Huckabee myself! (Bye, Mike.)
S/he who laughs last, laughs best…
or
…not until the phat lady sings!
Helloo … anybody here?
Hello,
we lost the battle. but we will win the war.
Vermont? It’s bitty
Joey, what do you hear about the “Democrats for a Day” voters?
What battle, what war? who are you fighting?
My friend said Obama sent robocall to OH voter saying that anyone in Ohio could vote on the Democratic ballot regardless of their party affiliation. So they are indeed pushing the Be a democrat for a Day here in Ohio.
my friend sent the note to DNC and Hillary campaign.
Most of the Republicans who do this will be voting for McCain in the fall.
I did indeed receive a robocall from the Obama campaign informing me that anyone could vote in the Democratic primary in Ohio regardless of what party you belong to. So please go out and vote for Obama.
The telephone call came from:
866-675-2008
Todd Beeton has some interesting stuff about the exit polls:
Update [2008-3-4 19:42:26 by Todd Beeton]:CNN’s Ohio exit poll shows that Hillary Clinton won women 54-45% and Barack Obama won men 52-47% and that women made up a whopping 59% of the vote. A friend tells me that if these exit polls hold up, they would translate to a 3% Clinton win, but take that with a grain of salt, of course. We anxiously await some real results but it should be noted that polls in Sandusky County, Ohio, will be open until 9 p.m. due to weather.
Marc Ambinder has an interesting tidbit about Ohio’s delegate allocation:
NBC News Political Director Chuck Todd on MSNBC points out that Hillary Clinton’s delegate spread in Ohio, assuming she wins the popular vote narrowly, could be as large as +5 or as narrow as.. -1..if Obama runs up the margins in the Cleveland-area districts held by Rep. Dennis Kucinich and Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones.
Update [2008-3-4 19:45:58 by Todd Beeton]:The exit poll also shows that Obama won Republicans (9% of the vote) by just 10% and Independents (22% of the vote) by just 8%.
[THAT'S in Jonathan Singer's post. Todd inserts some reality into Singer's posts, snort. Singer is so in the bag for Obama, and his pieces are very slanted. Beeton is more of a realist / I've thanked him for it, even when he's been critical of Hillary, because that's ideally (imho) what a front-pager should do. In the diaries, we can be partisan as all get out, but the FPers should try sometimes to be at least realists.]
On MSNBC Ohio’s Former Secretary (and election thief) of State Kenneth Blackwell just referred to Clinton and OBama as “Tweedle dee and Tweedle dum”
What an ass. So happy that Kenneth Blackwell be testifying under oath
Washington officials subpoena former Ohio Secretary Ken Blackwell
“WASHINGTON — A hearing in Congress has demonstrated just how much lingering suspicion remains among Democrats over the last two presidential elections.
Democrats on a subcommittee today won a vote authorizing a subpoena for Kenneth Blackwell, the Republican who was Ohio’s top election official in 2004, when many Democrats charged that their supporters were discouraged from voting.
The panel’s Democratic chairman says he hopes the subpoena threat will persuade Blackwell to testify voluntarily.”
http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=84028
Obama has filed a Federal lawsuit to keep open the polls in Franklin and Cuyahoga Counties in Ohio.
Why would Obama want polls open longer in Franklin and Cuyahoga counties? What does he hope to achieve? Does anyone think he will prevail?
If they are kept open, shouldn’t they be kept open state wide. It seems to me that isn’t fair. Of course I wouldn’t expect fairness from the unifying change campaign.
Can someone explain to me how 750,000 votes in Texas can possibly equal 1% voting? CNN and MSNBC are both reporting such a thing. I don’t think 75 million voters are expected to cast ballots in Texas today. Can someone tell me where I’m not seeing things correctly?
I just saw that as well. Wierd. Polls arn’t closed anf they have this info up. Msnbc has 56% Obama 43% of 1%. Whacky.
Looks like Obama has won Texas. I thinnk he will be beaten by Mccain in the General but he’s probably pour nominee now.
Why do you say that, based on what?
Or is it a troll?
I think Clinton +3 in TX based on CNN’s exit polls. Too bad exit polls can suck.
Susan Ot but you have to read Peter Bergens latest. (save it for another time). About torture
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/03/exclusive-i-was-kidnapped-by-the-cia.html
C-span/CNN have not yet projected a winner in TX. If Ohio has not yet projected, how can TX which is an hour behind OH?
Interesting
Exit Poll: Clinton Holds Whites in Ohio
* AP
* Wednesday March 5 2008
By ALAN FRAM
Associated Press Writer
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7358121
Check the results for Loving, TX. 20% reporting. Votes? 3 for Obama and 2 for Hillary!
lolololol
100% reporting: 7 for Obama | 5 for Hillary.
That’s the lowest count I’ve ever seen for a county!
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/03/gop_voters_cro
ssing_over_in_la.html
GOP voters crossing over in large numbers
Posted by Tom Ott, Michael Scott, Joe Wagner & Maggi Martin March 04, 2008
GOP voters crossing over in large numbers
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/03/gop_voters_crossing_over_in_la.html
Jeralyn and Big Tent Democrat are pretty funny tonight:
BTD - One thing you will see Obama NBC Network want to ignore the popular vote and talk alot about the delegate count. It will be strange and desperate. But this is the Obama Network.
5:30
BTD - Ohio a “competitive” race. Not “too close to call?” Hmmmm
5:31
BTD - That was CNN language. Checking NBC now.
[...]
MSNBC pundit is saying exit polls show Hillary really got to women with her 3 am ad. Talks about class warfare. I translate that to them saying Hillary is going to win Ohio, they just can’t announce it .
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/4/19223/61058
Jeralyn continues:
6:51
TL: MSNBC is saying Hilary is holding an emergency teleconference call for reporters with the campaign’s lawyers about voter intimidation at caucuses in Texas. This has to do with ialleged llegal obtaining of caucus packets. This sounds like what i wrote about earlier today. They’re not mentioning the lawsuit Obama filed in Ohio tonight…and saying Hillary is whining. Unbelievable.
6:52
TL: That’s it for MSNBC for me. I’m going back to CNN.
[SUSAN HERE: As soon as the bloviator (KO) came on MSNBC at about 3:30 or so my time, i was outta there. He began things with something about Hillary being up to her neck in sandbags or sand or something. Obama NBC News Network indeed.]
MSNBC now stands for Misogynist Sexist National Boys Club
Election center 2008
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#OH
Kathleen, you’re our Ohio expert. Weigh in! (And be sure to be weighty. Be all Howard Fineman-ish.)
All wrapped up in reading what is happening in the Gaza at Information Clearing house.
Will repeat that from what I heard from the Talking heads on MSNBC say about an hour ago. Hillary is carrying the hard core blue collar vote in Ohio (all those folks I saw at
Hillary’s event in Dayton). Matthews tried to say that Hillary’s hesitation during her comment about Obama’s religion “not that I am aware” I thought Hillary went over the top with this comment. I have been bothered at how much these candidates religions have come up. It pissed me off when Romney’s faith came under scrutiny and all of this focus on Obama’s faith. What is this the dark ages? Sure feels like it.
Hillary is taking the older white womans vote in Ohio. After Hillary’s rally’s she should walk immediately over to those who are unable to get to her (over to the seniors and handicapped individuals)
Hillary will be taking all of Ohio .. guaranteed (unless those machines are fiddled with again) Even with all of those Rovian Republicans flipping over for the primary)
I am sick of these Religious comments. Get on to the issues please.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/03/hillary-obama-not-muslim_n_89546.html?page=4
Kathleen,
You might want to read the march issue of the Atlantic.
It deals with the religious issues facing America, and the world.
It also has a nice story about the simplicity of the Chinese Internet firewall.
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MSNBC is quoting Obama supporters as saying “its not wins, its delegates that matter.” Translation: We are going to start losing primaries now, but it doesnt matter. Look the other way.
Matthews tells us that Clinton is winning tonight because she’s stoked our fears and prejudices. Nice.
Typical bullshit from our Nonpartisan MSM.
You must not watch that channel. Really. It is not good for one’s mental or intellectual health. I’ve actually got Fox on…. a lot less spin. And Karl is on — kind of fascinating in a weird way (and he is smart).
Yea SusanUnPc; I’m watching False news, but the hype is not hyperventilating, really twight light zone else where. we flipped from MSNBC after Mr Tingle was talking T Macaluffe(sp?) putting words in his mouth and doing the Got cha BS.
Personally I want to see an all out brawl on the convention floor if it works out that way.
I keep thinking of people freezing in the 313 and Obama doing nothing, knowing nothing. Nothing has changed.
Fox News is broadcasting from over at Baker Center on Ohio Universities campus. some Fox marketing going on.
Tom Brokaw blew Matthews out of the water for these comments.
What has he said?
He, and Diane Sawyer, the elder statesmen, are providing balanced coverage, from what I am reading.
Good to know there are some journalists with integrity still around.
He basically told Matthews that his focus on Hillary’s vague comments in regard to Obama’s religion and the Naftagate issue was a bunch of hooey.
Tom Brokaw read some exit polls proving that Hillary was taking older white women, who had been with her the whole way…from the beginning of her race.
I keep thinking about those older women who were at the Hillary rally in Dayton Ohio. I saw five older ladies crying when she was speaking. I went up to a few of them after Hillary’s rally and they were so sweet, and so wanted to witness a woman become President before they died. My mother who is 80 really wants to witness this and she knows Hillary is more than qualified.
Hillary should do some commercials with some older gals.
It occurred to me women can get the job done, MSNBC not withstanding.
The last eight years of marginalizing women to the Chris Matthews of this world made people forget how competent American women are, how capable.
Without a doubt, Clinton is the superior candidate.
Very interesting what Clinton is doing in terms of empowering women. Too bad Obama hasn’t done the same for AAs. Sad, I really hope Obama doesn’t end up identfying AAs with corruption, Rezko and Auchi.
Not that he’d care.
I completely agree. Talking with older women I have found that they are so proud to be able to vote for a woman President. I have also experienced this during Honk and Waves and canvassing. Many women are just so excited to be voting for Hillary. It is amazing.
This sounded patronizing, and I apologize.
It’s just after 8 years of whiny Bush and the campaign of the whiny Obamabots, one and the same, it’s become apparent those BOYS simply can’t get the job done, anywhere.
And I hope men who feel unsure of a woman as President, or CIC, look at Obama, and Bush, and compare them with Clinton, her strength and ability to stand up to terrorists, or bullies, like the Saudis, and Auchi.
Obama, Bush and Cheney cannot.
I turned the channel after that, sorry I missed it. But thanks Kathleen.
the count of votes is one thing, the percentage is of polls counted!
some polls have large amounts of voters, some very small amounts, so do not equate the percentage with the number of counted votes!
BTD - EXIT POLLS show Hillary WINS TEXAS. She wins women 53-46, women were 57% of the vote. She lost Men 52-46. 43% of the vote. She wins a squeaker.
7:06
BTD - That projects to a 2 point win I think.
– Big Tent Dem.
That is excellent news!
I hope the rank and file union voters are aware of how Obama has betrayed them.
And SHAME on those union leaders who are backing him.
Truly. Didn’t they listen to Buffenbarger? (I love that name.)
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Hey, how come people without college degrees are for Hillary and people with degrees are for Barack?
I have a college degree. Don’t most of you? What’s wrong with us?
This one has me confused.
A lot of that has to do with what people KNOW about Obama, the press has been buttering him, like a cob of corn.
If you don’t blog, you only know what you see from the MSM, and, well, Jiminy Glick is your only source of news, really.
But with the truth emerging, hopefully, regular voters will make informed decisions.
As to those with degress versus those without, maybe blue collar workers can see through the crap, the workers in this country got screwed by the republicans, and Obama is selling the same program, a little light, and a little late.
Also, I think the Obama ride is overblown, once the smoke clears, his support might not be all that…
A good education is useless without learning critical thinking skills. Emotionalism and hope don’t have anything to do with an academic education or even one gained by learning on the street.
But why would the Obama mania be exclusive to upper class voters, or those with degrees?
And is it really hope, and emotionalism, or something else at play?
Narcissism, too, the empty headed narcissism of Obama’s crowd?
The emo factor is an interesting one via demoghaphics.
Why the non-college track folks dislike O-Bomba? He doesn’t reflect the values of factory and trade workers. He also never worked a REAL job in his life. His hands are as smooth as a baby’s bottom, and for all we know, his nails are even manicured.
Blue-collared folks aren’t into Starbucks and navel gazing, they are practical. They also know that talk is cheap.
My sis has been a factory worker almost 30 years, mom over 20, and both would vote for Nader before voting for O-Bomba. They’re that disgusted with him — yet another silver spooned pinhead, without a lick of sense of what’s important — JOBS. Without living wage jobs no one even cares about Iraq or healthcare, as they couldn’t even afford TO care.
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But don’t we all want a good shot at life, and a safe, secure future for our families?
This isn’t about class war, or stereotypes as much as it seems to point to the same cultural rot that affects the whole of the foamy elite. Those Aspens are connected at the root, you know.
Cultural rot like dutch elm disease, took out most of the dutch elms in Chicago, in the early seventies. I guess it’s the same with the foamy elite.
A man, a big drunken city employee, would drive up in an old Pontiac, stumble out of the front seat, and would hammer an old pop top into a tree. About a week later, the city would come out and chop it down.
So if you see Chris Matthews with a bottle top hammered into his forehead, take it as a sign.
No talent, Obama as Britney Spears, a xerox of talent.
Oh, I disagree. Lou Dobbs isn’t popular because he talks about the woes of the $100,000 bracket of viewers.
If you make 40k a year in my neck of the woods you’re rich. 50k, filthy rich (that’s the pay range of Master level graduates here). 16% of the population lives below the poverty line — 16%.
So, yeah, I disagree soundly.
You see it as class war, really?
I don’t mean Bush wealthy, but say, over 50, 000?
My family was blue collar, my parents. My siblings and I, not.
We, or my parents, saw the opportunity for upward mobility, college, for instance, so no class resentment set in, education or business, hard work, was the way up.
And we never blamed others for our place in life, we always felt our destiny was in our hands.
Bush, though, and that ilk, the Obamas and Auchi, that’s another story, setting out to destroy the workers, and the unions.
Compare them, though, to Roosevelt.
S.
And we never blamed others for our place in life,
Is Obama’s Hope blame?
Simon -
Holy shit - humor is your forte. This is hysterical!
Race and Gender Both Helped Clinton
I just noticed something really interesting from that CNN exit poll I mentioned below. One question asked if the candidate’s gender was important. 17% said yes, and of them, Clinton won 57-43. So voters who wanted a female candidate outnumbered those who did not. Another question asked if the candidate’s race was important. 20% said yes, and of those, Clinton again won 57-43. So voters who did not want a black candidate outnumbered those who did. Race and gender both seemed to cut in Clinton’s favor — which may not be a shock, since whites and females outnumbered blacks and males.
In both questions, voters who did not care about race or gender split evenly. Clinton’s winning margin — assuming the exits hold up, and it is close enough that maybe it won’t — came from the pro-female, anti-black (or, I guess, anti-male, pro-white) vote.
–Jonathan Chait
I have a MA in history. IMHO a college degree means very little these days in terms of critical thinking skills. The deterioration of the American educational system has created this situation. All three of my children have degrees. My younger son has a degree in history from UCLA and is a hard-core Obamazoid. The other two don’t seem to be quite sure who they support. They are not very interested in politics.
Susan,
I saved this for you for tonight. Its from a lady who used to leave in Seattle, and married an Italian. She is now living in Italy. She has some wonderful things to say about Hillary.
http://americaninitaly.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-i-am-not-joining-love-in-for-obama.html
Of course, Karl is smart. The proof sits in the White House. Look at the raw material Rove had and he got it elected to the presidency. Twice.
I”m not sure how general knowledge smart Rove is, but at elections he’s a true genius. I only wish we had someone as gifted on our side - and that our candidates would have the brains to use them.
The way he talks, it’s like he knows every precinct in the U.S. I find it interesting. The only argument where he’s flat-out wrong is calling Obama a standard far-left liberal. He doesn’t get it that Obama could care less about the left, including the blogs that slavishly adore him.
He supposedly isolated voters in southeastern Ohio on the “guns, god, gay” issue. I actually noticed this during that election. (I ran several phone banks during the Kerry campaign) Just days before the election literature that was focused on these issues were distributed in south eastern Ohio.
The discussions on the phone went from talking about relevant issues (Iraq, jobs, health care) to “guns god and gays”. It worked along with Blackwell and Rove;s election machine hanky panky (reducing a precincts machines from 6 to 3) knowing that more people would be coming out for that election. This happened at quite a few precincts in Franklin county (Columbus)
Except the suspicion is he STILL had to steal the elections.
IMO, he’s no genius.
And he had this compliant, ratdog press, and the politics of fear, too, pure propaganda pushed by Fox, and others.
Remember what they did to Gore, and Kerry?
And he still lost.
Remember who’s talking. And that he’s an election genius, but perhaps well grounded in the usual sense.
To Karl anyone to the right of the Ottoman Turks, or perhaps Torquemada, is a far left liberal.
I agree 100% with that. he couldn’t care less about being “liberal” in fact I think he worked very hard this past year so that his senate record would look very liberal. But when you look the whole he seems to be a closet conciliator.
I agree 100% with that; he couldn’t care less about being “liberal” in fact I think he worked very hard this past year so that his senate record would look very liberal. But when you look the whole he seems to be a closet conciliator.
Karl Rove knows every hack that matters,Rebublican or Democrat in Chicago. He can say what he wants but he knows his roledex can reach out to the people that brought Obama to the table. I think the longer Senator Clinton makes the case she has been making, the better.
What is up with this judge in Ohio?
The thing that scares me about both McCain and HIllary is the possibility that they will go along with the “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots agenda with a pre-emptive strike on Iran. Israel has gone wild with attacks in Lebanon, Gaza. What is next?
McCain?
Maybe.
Clinton?
No.
At a certain point, the US has to regain control of it’s foreign policy.
I truly believe Bush and Cheney answer to others, their money guys, men like Auchi.
What scares me about Obama is he will start out too soft and sloppy on foreign policy because he’ll overestimate the magical powers of his speechifying.
Then he’ll get humiliated and over-correct and be too hawkish and sloppy.
Based in his past record, I don’t see Obama voting independently of the people financing him, like Auchi, or his other corporate sponsors.
Obama hasn’t taken a stand on any issue independent of what his financial backers asked for, or paid for. Seriously, look at his record.
Read up on Rezko, and Auchi, the whole IL crowd.
Auchi, among his other heinous crimes, is KNOWN for the bribery of government officials.
Obama is simply bought.
What scares me about Obama are those Pakistan comments.
Something seems to be comeing to light tonight, just as the 2000 Fla election count, when everyone but Fox was claiming Gore a winner! Rove workings!
Counts only count again, not what the networks predict! Not the polls nothing but the voter counts!
Rove is going to run into a brick wall in the fall.
I didn’t know that Mike Huckabee was from Hope, Arkansas. Did you?
(snark)
Yeap, I did. Funny he plays the saxo as well . Is it saxo?
Stratocaster.
Your are right!! I remember the “guitar” now.
It just occur to me that it must be fun to be Gov. of Arkansas…
Bass, right?
But a Rickenbacker is the best.
Don’t ya know about Ricky? . Twin rods in the neck for starters.
Wish they had not run at the same time.
Clinton/Obama with John Edwards as the Attorney General. General Wesley Clark as the Secretary of Defense or State. That’s what I am thinking of. Who should be the head of the EPA?
Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Al Gore operating as ambassadors
I love it. Wish we could get Big Al for the EPA, but he’s beyond that these days. Edwards could do it too, because I believe he could learn any of those cabinet jobs except State or Defense. (Someone suggested Patrick Fitzgerald for AG, which might be good — even though I’ve read he’s a Republican.)
Nothing wrong with being a “real” Republican. Whatever Fitz is I am all for it. Fitz or Edwards would work as AG. Clinton appointed Republicans in his cabinet. Mix it up, makes everyone feel better.
Hell there are plenty of “real” Republicans that have been terrified or in shock with this group of radicals in the White House. Bruce Fein, Kevin Phillips, Paul O’Neil, hell even William F Buckley had his serious doubts about this group of crazies.
Right.
America is about political freedom, and choice.
It is NOT about breaking the law, and feeling you can get away with it, because your dad was head of the CIA, or your bagman went to Harvard.
Imagine if Fitz had the sand “removed” from his eyes. Wat will the frog be doing?
Kathleen; it might be a brickwall with bars.
He has never closed that investigation. Still wonder about the “sealed vs. sealed” envelope that Jason Leopold wrote about.
Still want to see those Plame traitors marched to prison.
Robert Kennedy Jr. for Director of EPA.
Excellent idea !! I second that.
That idea rocks…a relitive lives within the sirean call of Indian River, They passed out iodine pills to that area.
I am not sure if any else posted the link for Howard Wolfson conference call so I will post it here:
If any one wants to liste