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Listening to some here it is clear that they just don’t get it or they are lemmings willing to take our Democratic party right off a cliff. It is obvious that McCain and the Republicans will attack Obama for the unpatriotic and racist comments his spiritual mentor of 20 years made. As well as the despicable things he said about Bill and Hillary Clinton inside a church of all places.

And frankly they should.

I find all of it very reprehensible and as an American citizen I am outraged that we are even considering this man for our highest office. The stuff Reverend Wright said about 9/11 alone is enough to disqualify Obama for the Presidency in my book.

The excuse that Obama has said he didn’t agree with it and all that crap just doesn’t cut it with me. If the situation were reversed and a white candidate for the same office attended a church for 20 years where they espoused KKK type viewpoints all hell would be breaking out throughout this country. And rightly so.

Do any of you honestly believe for a minute that an excuse like this should be acceptable?

Uh well, uh I don’t agree with uh everything he says but uh I still go to uh church there every uh Sunday. And uh he married me and my uh wife and he uh baptized our uh children. Then uh I gave him about $20,000* a uh year or uh so ago even though I find what he says uh reprehensible. Uh and I uh uh denounce it.

The double standards by which Obama supporters are requiring us to judge their candidate are not only astounding they are ridiculous. As Hillary famously once said: They require the willing suspension of disbelief.

When someone goes out of his way to insist that he is a Christian and uses the association with this pastor and this church as proof of it, we really need to be questioning the authenticity of his audacity. Perhaps I am in the minority but I don’t believe that black racism is any different than white racism. It is all reprehensible and NONE of it is Christian.

Obama’s candidacy has managed to not only split the Democratic party, it has managed to undo the great strides we have made in the past 40 years toward achieving racial equality and equal opportunity.

For the good of our party and for the sake of our nation I respectfully request that Senator Obama withdraw from this race.

For additional commentary see:

Rev Wright & the Audacity of Obama

Obama’s Pastor: Blacks Should Sing ‘God damn America’

Keith Olbermann, Hypocrite

Obama and Wright: Campaign Position

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* Obama’s 2006 Tax Form. It is shown on page 21 of 23 of the pdf file. The amount is $22,500 to Trinity United Church of Christ.

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Comment by MarkL | 2008-03-13 19:57:00

It’s about time these remarks get a hearing.
I’m sure Josh Marshall will be all over this…
Oh right, he’s already defending Obama, and blaming Hillary. Yes, that’s right, Hillary is to blame for Obama’s Rev’s shitty unAmerican views being news.

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 20:05:46

Yep, that mean old Hillary is responsible for everything bad. Or so I’ve heard. In all kinds of places.

Comment by T-Steel "Hussein Rodham Sidney" | 2008-03-13 20:54:55

Don’t worry, Flea. Senator Clinton has it in the bag. Bad ol’ Barack “Farrakhan-likeness-I-guess-Not-Really-But-Anything-For Hillary” Obama won’t get the nomination.

The McCain Campaign and Republicans will throw all kinds of fecal matter at Senator Clinton, sexist and all and squeak out a win which Senator Clinton will DENOUNCE.

Just don’t blame Senator Obama for the loss. And for the record, McCain would beat Obama, too.

Comment by simon | 2008-03-13 21:25:06

Just don’t blame Senator Obama for the loss. And for the record, McCain would beat Obama, too.

Well C, I would have agreed with you earlier, but not anymore.

I think Clinton stands a chance at beating McCain, by far the best the democrats could run.

 
 

Comment by BernieO | 2008-03-14 08:09:37

Guys like Josh have unresolved mommy issues. He is getting back at women because he’s still mad at mean ol’ mommy for not indulging his every whim.
I wish guys would get over this kind of crap. Look at what our current leader has done in his effort to show his daddy how to do things.

 
 
 

Comment by Saul Goode | 2008-03-13 19:58:21

Larry

Have you heard about this yet? Obama arranged for a $1,000,000 earmark for his wife’s employer after they gave her a $200,000 raise for doing the same job she already had.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/03/did-obama-earma.html

…and guess who his largest contributer is:

http://opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.asp?CID=N00009638&cycle=2006

 

Comment by BlueStateGirl | 2008-03-13 19:59:35

I think it’s interesting that he’s making all this noise about Hillary not releasing her tax returns. After that little asterisk, it seems like an effort to stop people from looking too closely at his.

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 20:10:24

I don’t think they want anyone to look too closely into their financial adventures. As Saul Goode points out above, there are some things that are a little fishy in Obamaland. And it ain’t the tuna.

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-03-14 09:18:53

What fish swins in the lake?

 
 
 

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-03-13 20:02:26

This is a great line:

we really need to be questioning the authenticity of his audacity

THE WHOLE POINT is that he has been a MEMBER of this church for 20 years, and that last year he gave $22,500 in donations to that church (major!) … and simply issuing a statement from his campaign office denouncing Wright’s remarks does not BEGIN to address his close affiliations with Wright and the church.

He’s trying to play everybody. He’s “hoodwinkin’” the black people by belonging to that extremist church with its anti-white, racist agendas. He’s “hoodwinkin’” latte whites by reassuring them that he’s a good Christian … and not, gasp, a Muslim.

It’s really sickening.

Comment by MarkL | 2008-03-13 20:04:27

Well, you know what the answer to this criticism will be…. different verse, same refrain: “RACISTS!!!”

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 20:12:38

That is their line every time. I’ve been called a racist more times than I can remember because I have refused to back off from them.

The next time I hear RACIST from them I am going to hold up a huge cyber mirror so that they can see what a real racist looks like.

Comment by MarkL | 2008-03-13 20:17:02

Well, I hope Ferraro keeps talking. She’s doing the right thing.

 

Comment by T-Steel "Hussein Rodham Sidney" | 2008-03-13 20:58:03

Senator Obama called you and said you were a RACIST? Damn you got some connections.

Wow. The frosting is thick today. But I still love all of you crazy kids!

When we going to talk more about this Admiral Fallon-Iran thing? I need some Security talk to cleanse my ears of all the Democrat warring.

Comment by simon | 2008-03-13 21:26:46

Wow. The frosting is thick today. But I still love all of you crazy kids!

You look silly, either old, or untalented, or both.

Really.

Catch a clue.

Comment by T-Steel "Hussein Rodham Sidney" | 2008-03-13 21:31:20

Caught my clue on that midnight train friend. That’s why I’m an independent voter that would love to be shut out of Dem and Repub nominations. Just call me when it’s time for the big dance kid!

Comment by Mary | 2008-03-15 03:03:04

Frankly, you sound like you’re drunk.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 20:07:55

It is sickening and very frightening. Cept I ain’t skeerd.

 

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 20:13:25

And thank you for the compliment Susan.

 

Comment by Gsbriele Droz | 2008-03-13 21:04:01

Susan,

I have two sons who trust me in my political opinions, and support me all the time. However, they’re not as well-informed as I am. It’s all based on trust. They are for Hillary because I say so, but I’d like to get them to go beyond the trust of their mom. Any advice? And god I know how busy you are.

I can count on their votes for Hillary, but I want them to actively WORK for her, not just vote in the end.

And, as a mom, I can’t really push any further, lest I get pushed back by, you know, the kid rebellion thing. Not that they have done this, but I need meat, just in case they get ubsurped by their peers.

Any suggestions, links, wisdom? So sorry to throw another towel into the wave.

Comment by simon | 2008-03-13 21:32:41

Any suggestions, links, wisdom? So sorry to throw another towel into the wave.

Truth.

You can only do your best, and explain to them why you made the decision you did.

You’re a parent, everything you do influences them.

And a part of parenting is teaching your children to be good, observant citizens, citizens who care about something other than themselves, and money making, at the brutal expense of others.

This is a wonderful learning experience for them, how to see through the political spin to make an informed decision.

 

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 21:51:02

I would first direct them to Hillary’s website.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com

Then I would invite them to join Hillary’s Voice:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HillarysVoice/

Next ask them to visit MyDD so they can get a good taste for what kind of opposition we are up against and how important it is that we all work hard to elect Hillary together:

http://www.mydd.com

And finally ask them to come join us here for intelligent discourse on all kinds of things.

 

Comment by AF | 2008-03-13 21:56:33

History - have him watch the older Kingfish about Huey Long (haven’t seen the crappy Sean Penn remake.) Just shows how somebody “different” and “for the people” not always who he seems to be.

 
 

Comment by Cee Hussein | 2008-03-13 21:18:51

Susan,

this is a TITHE. He’s a rich man now as his wife admitted thanks to his book sales.

You act like this is a bribe or illegal. LOLOLOL!

Comment by chris | 2008-03-14 05:38:22

who acted like what?
God you make shit up and then treat it as real.

Tithing to a church with this pastor only shows how substantial his ties are…when its $22,500.

“acting like”…is this how you read all the posts? it certainly would explain most of your responses.

 

Comment by Rob Gard | 2008-03-14 08:24:36

Just “royalties” for allowing use of “audacity of hope” for a book title, right ?

 

Comment by Nellie | 2008-03-14 09:33:32

Oh Cee

Unfortunately, I have lots of communications to make with some people today. However, within a week or so, your going to have a nice long diary of the laws I can find that your Saint Obama has broken.

I can almost forgive Rezko some of his shenanigans, as he is, as they say in the Mid East, just “doing business” in the usual way.

Obama has NO excuse - he is sleaze to the core.

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-03-14 09:59:21

When they passed the basket and find the money made from criminal enterprises in it, what did this church do?

They took it.

 
 
 

Comment by BernieO | 2008-03-14 08:15:06

Are you kidding? His audacity is clearly authentic! Obama believes he deserves to be president even though he has not bothered to prepare himself. He thought he deserved to live in a mansion so much that, rather than waiting until he could afford one, he made a deal with a crook. Now that’s what I call audacious!

The problem is not that Obama lacks audacity, it is that he is only audacious when it benefits him. When is comes to the American people, not so much. His timid health care proposal is a good example.

 
 

Comment by OxyCon | 2008-03-13 20:03:31

Obama is a massive, calculating hypocrite.
Conveniently, every time Obama loses a primary, and just before a primary in a state with a very large Black population, he and his campaign targets a member of his opponent’s campaign, plays the race card and tries to ruin their reputation for life by branding that person a racist.
Obama always comes out a day after the dirt has been thrown, lifts his nose up in the air and tut-tut’s the Clinton campaign with his patented piety.
But all these times that Obama has been playing this game, he has been going to a Church where racism runs rampant.
Has Obama ever spoken out against the racism at his Church? Never.
Has Obama ever rejected the racism at his Church and refused to go there? Never.
But Bill Shaheen, Bill Clinton, Ed Rendall and Geraldine Ferraro are to be destroyed as racists, so Obama can win an election.
How’s that for unifying the country?
Obama was married by a racist. Obama’s kids were baptized by a racist. Obama stole the title of his book from a racist. Obama chose a racist as his mentor. Obama’s campaign has right now, a racist as his official spiritual advisor!
But Hillary Clinton better fire Geraldine Ferraro because she’s racist!
Give me an f’n break!
Y’all been hoodwinked!
Bamboozled!
The Obama feinting spell over racism is always directed at his opponent, but never at his closest racist associates.
Bamboozled!
Obama was for campign finance reform before he saw how much money his Obamatons would send him.
Obama was for mail in voting (he sponsored a bill in 2006 which addresses this) before he saw that letting Floridians vote would cost him the election.
Obama brought NAFTA into this race because he thought he could beat Hillary up with it, but he was telling the people of Ohio one thing and the Canadian government the complete opposite.
It’s the ole okie-doke!
You know okie-doke, right?

Comment by simon | 2008-03-13 20:10:31

It’s the ole okie-doke!
You know okie-doke, right?

Reminds me of Ned Flanders, actually, Obama as Ned.

Hmm, a Simpson adjunt.

Susan wrote:

The stuff Reverend Wright said about 9/11 alone is enough to disqualify Obama for the Presidency in my book.

Imagine those quotes, Ayers, Auchi, Rezko, Iraq, juxtaposed with 9.11 footage, the towers coming down, the reopening of that horrific national wound, which hasn’t healed, yet, and then the soothing fatherly image of John McCain, and his experience.

Obama is toast.

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-03-13 20:21:34

This Susan didn’t write that. But I wish I had.

Comment by simon | 2008-03-13 21:33:52

Sorry, well, to the other Susan, then…

 
 

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 21:56:43

Wouldn’t that be oke-diddley-dokie if he was Ned Flanders?

I haven’t been Susan in years.

 
 

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 20:15:28

Okie doke indeed.

 

Comment by Nellie | 2008-03-14 10:34:21

Obama has manipulated the Racist Card, since he was young. Barack NEVER accepted the truth about his father and manufactured RACISM as the reason his father left him and his mother. Sharon, Churcher, a British reporter, found the real truth:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=431908&in_page_id=1770

Mr Obama Jnr claims that racism on both sides of the family destroyed the marriage between his mother and father.

In his book, he says that Ann’s mother, who went by the nickname Tut, did not want a black son-in-law, and Obama Snr’s father ‘didn’t want the Obama blood sullied by a white woman’.

In fact Ann divorced her husband after she discovered his bigamous double life. She remarried and moved to Indonesia with young Barack and her new husband, an oil company manager.

And who was the REAL Barack Obama Snr.

Although charming, generous and extraordinarily clever, Obama Snr was also imperious, cruel and given to boasting about his brain and his wealth,” he said.

“He was excessively fond of Scotch. He had fallen into the habit of going home drunk every night. His boasting proved his undoing and left him without a job, plunged him into prolonged poverty and dangerously wounded his ego.”

his father was not just a deeply flawed individual but an abusive bigamist and an egomaniac, whose life was ruined not by racism or corruption but his own weaknesses.

Obama’s Grandparents, the people who raised him, sacrificed their lives financially for him, settled for a small apartment, so Obama could have the best educatiion. This article has a picture of them with Obama, and it’s clear they absolutely poured all their love into him.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/us/politics/30obama.html

But a life of sacrifice so Obama could have the best, was not enough for him. Obama writes these very RACIST comments in his book “Dreams of My Father”.

http://www.examiner.com/a-536474~_Trapped_between_two_worlds_.html

• “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites,” he wrote.

• “I learned to slip back and forth between my black and white worlds,” he wrote in “Dreams.” “One of those tricks I had learned: People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied; they were relieved — such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn’t seem angry all the time.”

• …he vowed that he would “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.”

• “To admit our doubt and confusion to whites, to open up our psyches to general examination by those who had caused so much of the damage in the first place, seemed ludicrous, itself an expression of self-hatred,” he wrote.

So it is no accident he chose Rev. Wright as a Mentor. The Reverand’s speeches reflect Obama’s true feelings, as do the hate filled screeds of Louis Farrakhan, Leader of the Nation of Islam.

How very sad that a person who had every advantage, is filled with so much anger and hate. In addition to serial lying, being a total fraud, harkening only to the pay masters who foot his bills, Obama has some very very serious psychological problems.

The idea of someone even more screwed up than GWB, being in ANY governing or decision making position, is horrifying to me. The damage this person would create is incalculable!

 
 

Comment by izarradar | 2008-03-13 20:06:56

Democrats are supposed to have zero tolerance when it comes to bigotry. Rev. White speaks in intolerant terms. He labels all “rich, white, males” as the enemy. That paints this group of people with a broad stroke, creating and fostering stereotypes. Stereotypes lead to intolerance, and intolerance to bigotry. Are there some rich, white males who do bad things? Yes. Just as there are some poor black males who do bad things. The problem is when we look at anyone’s color, creed, or beliefs and label them not as individuals but as ONLY part of a group. And then we paint that group as all the same, deserving of our hatred, and label them our enemy. That is intolerance and hatred. And that hatred leads to bigotry, and bigotry leads to racism, sexism, and homophobia. If Obama is our nominee, we don’t have a chance of winning.

Frankly, I wouldn’t want us to win.

Comment by simon | 2008-03-13 20:12:18

Frankly, I wouldn’t want us to win.

Why do we, as democrats, have such weak leaders?

I thought Dean was supposed to change the DNC, and it appears he has made it worse.

Comment by T-Steel "Hussein Rodham Sidney" | 2008-03-13 20:59:50

Dean change the DNC?!?!? Never trust a dentist to do a police officer’s job.

 

Comment by BernieO | 2008-03-14 08:20:52

Dems had a strong leader in Bill Clinton as well as Gore but the did not support them. Look h0ow they bailed on Clinton’s health care intiative because their pride was hurt. How many of them stood up to the media when they trashed Gore in 2000? (I cannot think of even one.) No they are trashing Hillary.
Our leaders are very Liebermanish - concerned with how they appear to the Beltway crowd like Timmy Russert who hate to see them fight back.
Bob Somerby has been writing about this at dailyhowler.com for years. Most Dem leaders have no guts - and we let them get away with it.

 
 

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 20:16:59

Your last sentence is profound. As is every other one you wrote.

 

Comment by simon | 2008-03-13 21:46:44

He labels all “rich, white, males” as the enemy

Out of curiosity, how does he compare to Farrakhan?

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 21:58:57

 
 

Comment by chris | 2008-03-14 05:40:00

“Stereotypes lead to intolerance, and intolerance to bigotry”

bigotry leads to hate, hate leads you to….the darkside

 
 

Comment by Kathleen | 2008-03-13 20:07:57

WTF are preachers doing telling the sheep who to vote for.

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 20:18:29

Well, according to the IRS they not only aren’t supposed to be doing that, they may soon be paying a stiff fine for doing so.

Comment by Kathleen | 2008-03-13 21:11:13

And they should.

Comment by Lyn | 2008-03-13 23:07:31

The IRS is investigating them, because of a political speech Obama gave http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120511457633523621.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news
I read somewhere but lost the link, other churchs in the group complaing because now they have to pay so much in legal fees and if they lose their Tax break, they won’t be able to afford their programs, heat ect, it was an open letter asking Obama to pay the legal fees since he was the one that caused the problems, i’ll see if I can find it again if you want

Comment by Lyn | 2008-03-13 23:20:41

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12835
Dear Senator Obama:

Our common denomination, the United Church of Christ, has a suddenly serious legal and financial problem with the Internal Revenue Service. You, personally, are the cause of this problem. Candidly? I think you owe it to those of us who are your fellow congregants to help repair the damage that you have done.

full at link

 
 
 

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-03-14 09:24:14

22.5k Gets a lot of sermonizing it appears…
Can I get a witness? oops not on the stand darn it.

Great post FleaFlicker.

 
 
 

Comment by Toby | 2008-03-13 20:10:12

Anyway you look at Obama’s position regarding this (and other) issues, he is being disingenuous. He states he wants to unite the country and all people but has attended a church that is obviously racist with its minister of many years excreting hate sermons regarding whites, the Jewish community and America. How could Obama attend such a church for 20 years and not feel the same way? He states that he does not agree with these statements but he and his family continued to attend the church for 20 years?! He is either being disingenuous to the church members, or to the American people regarding uniting all people. Either way, Obama is disingenuous and does not below in the White House.

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-03-13 20:12:14

It’s no wonder Michelle talks the way she does about America.

Comment by Cee Hussein | 2008-03-13 21:26:22

Susan,

Michelle wrote of the racism she lived with before she even met Rev. Wright.

Didn’t MLK say he felt more racial animus in Chicago than he did in the south?

 
 

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 20:21:49

It is obvious that he is a superb liar and a great pretender. He is probably the most dangerous man I have witnessed in my lifetime. While we all know these things to be facts and there is a huge mountain of evidence to support it, he still has millions of adoring fans that will do whatever he asks, whenever he asks it. That is real power. But it isn’t democratic power.

Comment by T-Steel "Hussein Rodham Sidney" | 2008-03-13 21:02:21

He is probably the most dangerous man I have witnessed in my lifetime.

Are you serious? THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN??? I can’t even come up with a witty line after that statement.

 

Comment by Cee Hussein | 2008-03-13 21:29:11

He is probably the most dangerous man I have witnessed in my lifetime.

Flea,

Either you don’t read, get out much or you scare easily.

Comment by Douglasbot | 2008-03-13 21:34:45

Well come on. In case you hadn’t noticed he IS black. And probably a Muslim.

Hillary on the other hand is not a monster nor does she have monster DNA…as far as i know.

Comment by simon | 2008-03-13 21:49:39

He is probably the most dangerous man I have witnessed in my lifetime.

Ultimately, I think he’s just a confused, frightened dissociated child, a victim of some childhood truama he never worked out.

It’s not like he beats his wife, or anything.

Comment by HoosierHoops | 2008-03-14 07:52:11

He is probably the most dangerous man I have witnessed in my lifetime

George W. Bush will be glad to hear that..

 

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-03-14 15:47:21

It’s not like he beats his wife, or anythingHow do you know?

I think it more han likely the other way around. She keeps him on a short leash to begin with.

 
 
 
 

Comment by BernieO | 2008-03-14 08:23:53

Way over the top. Obama is unprepared and his ego is inflated, but he is in no way comparable to Dick Cheney, his puppet, and the rest of the gang.

Comment by simon | 2008-03-14 08:45:21

Obama is unprepared and his ego is inflated, but he is in no way comparable to Dick Cheney, his puppet, and the rest of the gang.

Not true, Talat Othman, for starters, is connected to both men, a another seemingly corrupt Chicago arab, associtaed with Bush’s Harken Energy, the ‘bamster, and some pernicious Saudis.

 
 

Comment by Centrocitta | 2008-03-14 15:40:45

Right, Fleaflicker. But McCain has al-Qaeda. Have you noticed they are “catching” at least one high-level Bin Laden associate every week now? That means by November, they are going to “have” Bin Laden too! WOW! That ought to make the stock market climb, the US dollar rebound, put gas back at $2.00/gallon and put McCain in the White House!

 
 
 

Comment by Kathleen | 2008-03-13 20:11:59

These video clips are sure to stir up the white supremist.

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-03-13 20:13:27

a) there are no video clips in this post

b) you’ve just found [Removed -- cooler head prevailed -- SusanUnPC]

Comment by Kathleen | 2008-03-13 20:17:49

Maybe you should look beyond your attitude for the clips…they are above. go watch

 

Comment by Toby | 2008-03-13 20:19:05

I can’t think of any more neurotic group of people than Obama supporters. They are equivalent to the neo cons during the WMD days. Read their bloggs. They are obsessed with calling everyone a racist that questions Obama’s position, and ignore reality. Let’s just chant O-BA-MA and hold hands.

Comment by Kathleen | 2008-03-13 20:25:54

I don’t know this site is getting real close

Comment by simon | 2008-03-13 21:51:06

I don’t know this site is getting real close

How so?

Really.

Discuss.

 

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 22:06:10

How did you reach that conclusion Kathleen?

 
 

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 22:04:44

I haven’t visited their blogs except for Kos which just turns me off completely. And their mindset is ridiculous, like Kos claiming that Hillary’s campaign darkened Obama’s skin. That is a VERY good example of neurosis.

 

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-03-13 22:37:37

Supporting Obama is their religion. And you know how ‘believers’ get when you question their religion …

 
 

Comment by Kathleen | 2008-03-13 20:25:04

“neurotic”? Anyone here neurotic about Obama? Come on .

Here is one clip from above

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/13/14167/3166

Comment by simon | 2008-03-13 21:52:33

Kathleen, give concrete examples of why we’re wrong, why you disagree.

Until you do, your reasoning is suspect, I’m sorry.

It’s not enough to throw out a generality, you have to defend your opinions, tell WHY you think the way you do…

 

Comment by Rob Gard | 2008-03-14 08:44:28

Perhaps there is some miscommunication between the usage of the word “clips”. Perhaps “links” or “links to clips” may have been more precise, but what’s a little imprecison among friends, right ?

 
 
 

Comment by simon | 2008-03-13 20:14:13

These video clips are sure to stir up the white supremist.

Who is Farrakhan, say, but his equal?

They’re both despicable, and they’re both (”the white supremist,” and Farrakhan), IMO, nuts.

 

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 20:26:17

That is the downside to all of this. Because you are absolutely right. What we need is for the videos to stir up the people left with common sense and our party elders so that we can head this thing off before it spirals so far out of control that it destroys our party.

Comment by simon | 2008-03-13 21:58:21

What we need is for the videos to stir up the people left with common sense and our party elders so that we can head this thing off before it spirals so far out of control that it destroys our party.

Except Flea, if men like Dean choose to think this way, make these decisions, there is really nothing anyone can do.

If Howard Dean isn’t smart enough to understand how the republicans play, and that aspect of the democratic party fails, so be it, new systems emerge.

We’re doing all we can, no one can tell another how to think, that’s silly.

So, they make the decisions they need to, and so do we, that’s why we’re here, THIS is the American way, free democratic choice.

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 22:10:42

Totally agree with you Simon. Dean has to either realize what this is doing to the party and step in and fix it or let it ride and be the architect of destroying the Democratic party. There really is nothing else we can do other than what we are doing.

Comment by Andy | 2008-03-14 01:42:14

Dean is clearly doing Obama’s bidding re. FL & MI….
The latest “deal” proposed gives Obama all he wanted and screws Clinton big-time. They want her to take a 50-50 split of delegates in Michigan and “half the delegates” that each won in FL –the later would give a net gain of 19 to Clinton despite her wins in both MI &FL…
Ridiculous: I am furious at Dean.

Comment by simon | 2008-03-14 08:54:44

Dean is clearly doing Obama’s bidding re. FL & MI….

That appears to be true, there is bad blood between the other DNC leaders ( McAuliffe, who supports Clinton) and Dean.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by AF | 2008-03-13 21:10:24

These video clips are sure to stir up the white supremist.

Are we supposed to suppress the truth? I don’t understand this comment.

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 22:11:46

I think it was more a statement of fact than anything else. But I didn’t make the statement.

 
 
 

Comment by MarkL | 2008-03-13 20:13:16

Hey, talk a look at this comment on a reader blog at TPM.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/crazy-like-an-uncle.php

Not bad. He puts the onus squarely on Obama to denounce Wright.

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-13 20:32:14

But now that one of those closest to him has made statements that are at least as divisive and egregious, he needs to find similarly powerful words to express his rejection of those statements.

Glad he put the onus on Obama but I find this sentence to be a little more than generous if not disingenuous. What Wright said repeatedly is much worse than ANYTHING Geraldine Ferraro said.

 

Comment by PMS | 2008-03-13 20:50:26

TPM is still online? Must have lost my bookmark.

 

Comment by BernieO | 2008-03-14 08:32:15

That won’t work for most people because he went to church regularly for 20 years. Denouncing him is worthless. How in the world did his listen to this stuff on a regular basis when he is half white and was raised by his white relatives? Can you imagine listening to someone denounce your family in this way?
Remember, Obama choose this church and pastor deliberately. (This is not like someone who was brought up in a particular religion that they stay with out of loyalty to family tradition even though they do not agree with a lot of it.)
Personally I doubt that Obama agrees with Wright(but I have a feeling Michelle does). I think he chose the church to further his political ambitions. So much for being a man of principle. People can compare this to McCain but at least McCain has not been sitting in a church every Sunday listening to Catholics be bashed.

Comment by Rob Gard | 2008-03-14 08:50:38

As a start, Obama could denounce the Pastor and demand that the $22500 that he contributed be sent to the USO, Salvation Army, or to another charitable organization.

Comment by simon | 2008-03-14 09:01:45

Personally I doubt that Obama agrees with Wright(but I have a feeling Michelle does.

Such a trap to get caught up in bitterness, I feel sad for her.

I understand she got a bad deal simply because of the color of her skin, that is wrong, but to exacerbate the problem by proffering unexamined hate, as opposed to changing the construct, constructively, cancels any goodwill I might have accorded Michelle.

If she’s simply seeking mindless revenge, hurting others because SHE was hurt, no thanks.

She’s part of the problem.

I never understood that, a person gets hurt, unjustly, so they turn around and hurt innocents, unjustly, in some quest for bent justice. That’s some fucked up childish psychology.

Comment by Mary | 2008-03-15 03:41:55

Whether Michelle personally agrees with Wright is irrelevant, really.

She is a MOTHER. And she allowed her children to listen to the these hate-filled and obscenity-filled sermons from a pastor, without immediately removing her daughters from that corrosive environment.

2 daughters, sitting by their mother, listening to that filth.

She should have known better as a mother.

 
 

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-03-14 09:32:02

Or to Shirin’s charity for Iraqi orphans.

 
 
 
 

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