Writers Strike at DailyKos [Updated]

I found precisely the same thing with one me,ber trolling me with every question I have about Obama and even stating that they don’t want Hillary supporters in Daily Kos.

Not all, but some of these people need help. More importantly who’s in charge?

With Obama going down like the Titanic at this point what will these crazies do after they’ve lost Edwards and now lose Obama?

I admire your courage and principles and support your strike. Sexism permeates every act, speech and innuendo of this primary season, and it’s allowed. There’s lots of liberal white guilt that causes people to cave-in when accused of racism, but sexism and misogyny–focused like a laser beam on Hillary Clinton–goes unnoticed and unchallenged.

Welcome to No Quarter. They don’t kiss up to bullsh*t around here.

I agree with everything you said. When posters at DailyKos and other blogs started sounding like Freepers I quit reading. It is a sad commentary when we liberals can not have a calm discussion regardless of who anyone supports. The keepers of these blogs should put a stop to the nasty comments.

I stopped reading Kos a few weeks ago even before I decided on who I was voting for. I made an innocent remark about the use of Shillary or Billary bringing down the level of discourse and I was jumped on, vebally assaulted and called a racist Obama hater. Huffington Post and now even my beloved Crooks and Liars seems to have followed suit. I really love Larry but to tell you the truth you guys are a little outta’ my league as far as commenting goes, so I mostly lurk. Why does that make me feel like such a dirty girl?

Not that GOS and the slimers over there will miss me but I also will strike. No more comments…no linking to blogswarm action, FDL is the leader in that anyway, no fraternization with the feces-flinging monkeys of CheetoLand.

I feel for the few remaining people of integrity and grit: mcjoan, scout finch, jotter, Kargo X and the irreplaceable Meteor Blades.

Hopefully when the election is over, no this won’t end with the primary, the community will look around and realize that the actions of a few A-Listers such as Kos…Bowers…Marshall have revealed an appalling lack of judgment in regards to what they’ve allowed and indeed actually done to cause the factionalization of the ’sphere all in the name of two candidates who can not by any stretch of the imagination be considered progressive.

I am on strike until those responsible for the ascension of RedState political behaviour in the progressive blogosphere publicaly apologize and, further, relinquish their self-assumed power in our community.

Clearly they do not deserve it.

So what do you guys think? You in on this strike of ours?

I would disagree on one point: given that BO’s MO is the political of personal destruction, I am sure he is delighted that his supporters want to dig into people’s personal lives.
Didn’t Ferraro say that her current boss had been called by someone from the Obama campaign urging him to fire her?

I don’t read DK - I totally support your efforts. Good for you. Larry and Susan are very organized and receptive. I think you will enjoy the discourse on this blog.

They suspended my posting and rating privileges in early December. Autoban didn’t kick in because nothing I said was out of line. So, they whined to Hunter, and Hunter apparently suspended me. Now, Kos still wants to claim, for advertising purposes, X number registered users, so he doesn’t want to ban us flat out.

it’s funny - I never posted a negative diary on any candidate. To this day, if someone dares post a diary critical of Obama, someone will suspect it’s me. I’ve been gone 3 months and they are apparently still wounded by and talking about my commentary. The other day I was accused of being Lanny Davis. LOL

If Kos was as smart as he thinks he is, he would have called a halt to the endless stream of “don’t run Hillary” diaries that began infesting the place about a year and a half before she announced her candidacy. There was never anything to them but misogyny and that should be an inexcusable reason for a Democrat to object to a candidate. But by not stopping those diaries, as he stopped the 9/11 conspiracy diaries (a move I agree with), he gave tacit permission to the misogyny. Once she announced, it became overwhelming pretty quickly. Ten or twelve anti-Hillary diaries a day.

I never got why it was okay to lie about Clinton’s voting record but no one elses. For all the squawking about Clinton’s AUMF vote, you didn’t hear a peep about Dodd or Biden’s. Clinton superb record on judicial appointments was never acknowledged. Dengre was allowed to post fictional news paper accounts claiming that Clinton received money from sweatshops for her presidential campaign - a talking point he took directly from Byron York. Never mind that within a few weeks of the Tan donation to her senatorial campaign, she voted for the minimum wage bill that the Tans were opposed to. Never mind that the Clinton administration was as aggressive as they could be on sweatshop violations in the Marianas. Never mind any of those things. Dengre was allowed to pretend that there was something genuinely wrong in that donation. I called him on it and got TRd to a fare-thee-well.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. To avoid electing a woman, they’ve aligned themselves with old fashioned snake oil salesman whose campaign, as of tonight, is probably over. I bet Kos is gonna have a terrible hangover in a few days.

I went to the KOS website for a short period of time a couple years ago. Navigating through the multitudes was an exercise in futility in my mind and I deleted the bookmark and never looked back. The same problem with Huffingtonpost in my mind. I know some folks try to cross post in order to get their point of view seen by as many people as possible, but there is a point of diminishing returns to this exercise.

Alegre is logical, forceful, and respectful of others even while disagreeing with their ill-advised tactics. I fully support Alegre and the Writers strike. Too bad, not all bloggers at DailyKos are not as intelligent and noble as Alegre.

If he doesn’t he can drop by my house and I’ll whap him in the head a few times…metaphorically speaking.

Here’s what Kos…Bowers…Marshall can’t stand:

Progressive Punch ‘Chips are Down’ ratings:

Obama ranks 41st in the Senate

Clinton 24th….

These Senators are ranked more progressive than Obama:

Webb, Feinstein and Ben Nelson.

Now I was trained a physicist not a half-baked journalist like GOS so to me independent well researched metrics about any situation are good things.

I stopped believing in the magic in 1968 the same year I refused the draft.

So….

These make-believe revolutionaries ?

I’ve shit ‘em.

On to ‘More and Better Progressive Bloggers’. When the ones you got are selling out to Goldman Sachs, ‘Empty Suit’ candidate….

Time to get new ones.

I was a regular visitor to GOS but rarely a commenter. It was even one of my start pages. But the HillaryHate got so bad I stopped visiting completely.

I may never go back.

I have been amazed at the vitriol that has been directed at both Clintons, but until now no one has acknowledged the double standard that exists between the treatment of Hillary and Barack. Because of the mob behavior they demonstrate I have wondered if many of these attackers in fact were nominal Republicans until it became uncool to support Republicans and the Bush administration. Their words and conduct are so excessive that I have trouble believing that they truly understand the tolerance and respect for others that underlie liberal democratic values. I’ll join this strike.

S. Markom - I’m intrigued why you believe Obama is going down like the Titanic. Any details?

I have stayed away from KOZ. I get attacked in too many other places. I am dumbfounded how many people threw Whitewater at me today alone,lol. They must have run out of weed finally but are still right where they were 15 years ago. I leave hateful posts on my blog because I think nothing serves my opinions more than ignorant digression from the truth. I read NO Quarter without fail and reference you on my Vox account. It’s only a small pre-registered blogging site but it has good readership, friendly posters who may even disagree. But it has decorum. It also has co-Voxers who will come to your aid rather than leave you hanging in the wind when you do get attacked. Keep up the good work. These Junior Boomers drive me nuts. Their mouth are as large as their opinions but their fact checking and reason seem to be lacking.

–First, I deleted the bookmark of the OrangeGoo site because people couldn’t talk in any positive way about Palestine. (I’m not a big IP ‘devote’ but the censorship bothered me)

–Then it was Booman because he wouldn’t ever again support Gore, because of how Gore wouldn’t play nice after the election. That, and a post awhile back where an Intel (?) ad was being called racist because it had some nerdy white guy was standing in a cubicle area with six black sprinters in the ’set’ position. The regulars were trying to say the ’set’ position was them bowing down?! The hysteria didn’t cease even after I found a track coaches website with images of the proper starting position for sprints. And I asked them if they’d believe the computer were fast if they had a bunch of white guys in spandex? [crickets] I hate double standards.

–Then recently it’s been Puffinton and Josh (dammit, why?!).

–Even Rawstory. And MLW…I’ll still occasionally lurk there because they are usually all over the place, but something just doesn’t feel right….the sense of ‘i must live the quilt of other peoples’ forefathers’ sins’ kinda stinks the place up. BUT, I credit MSOC for generally not deleting posts or banning people just because they don’t agree. That IS something.

–Lastly, and it sickens me because I really want to keep reading/watchin’…..Crooks and any Liar but Obama. I left a comment on there about patterns and asked John to just fess up and endorse BO already. Logan comes back that ‘for the millionth time they haven’t endorsed anybody’. Yeah, but the Clinton bashing continued and finally they just ‘had’ to put up the Ferraro clips. Ms. Belle’s posts were the most suspect. Maybe next year…

–We don’t feel the need to pay for our commercials, so we don’t have cable, so I can’t not watch KO anymore. Well, ok, so I’ve downloaded from C&aLbO most of his special blowups when they were on duh’b'ya, but well, see above. But, I did ‘recycle’ his book to a half-price bookstore yesterday. That and a couple Clancy softbacks got me $5. Felt pretty good.

–But on the flip side, Taylor Marsh rocks. And Larry and Susan. Despite his most assuredly busy schedule he’s actually responded to a couple emails I’ve sent him. The stark sincerity I’ve felt here is awesome.

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There’s no ‘I’ in Hope.

Wow, welcome to the party. I stopped even reading anything at Kos last summer!

I only go there now on an occasional link from someone else.

My feelings about the Presidential race is that both Obama and Clinton are right-of-center Republicans, given their record and stated position on current affairs.

I wanted to vote for a Democrat this election, but the media hounded them all out. So our choices are McBush; former College Republican and board member of that bastion of progressivism -WalMart; or the New Guy who has promised to NOT curb the immoral mecrenary armies of private corporations (among other things Bush has done that he’s promised not to change).

So no Democrats are in the race… Too bad for all of us. At least I did get to vote for my guy in the primary for my state!

I think the fundamental reason this campaign is turning so ugly is that Obama has almost nothing to run on—-
He’s not experienced enough. He tried to hoodwink and bamboozle the voters to drive the competition out early; once that failed, he was out of substance, so the campaign had to turn ugly, using race, lies, Whitewater, the Clenis.
A couple of months ago I felt mildly positive about Obama. Now? Fuck no.
One final turning point for me was discovering that his vaunted list of successes in IL came from a set of bills that was handed to him in his last year to build his resume for the Senate run.
And then he won’t even do his job in the Senate.
He’s a prima donna—a carbon copy of Bush.

Never read Daily Kos, never will. Not because of recent events which sound ridiculous…but because i’ve always felt it’s a clique. If you’re not on the inside you never will be. A shame. The site is considered a powerful voice in politics.

Democrats…liberals…like herding cats.

Oh boo hoo. Kos hates us so we’re going to boycott his site. Sheesh.

From the outside looking in, Hillary seems to be little more than Bush with tits. I don’t think she has an original thought in her body, she just repeats what she’s been told to say. Yeah… four more years of white skinned elitist crap. No thanks.

I came to Hillary late in the game, having supported Edwards, but when I sought information about Obama v Hillary I was astonished as the vitrol and Clinton Derangement Syndrome was everywhere. Not just on Kos, who has his own special place in hell, but on TPM and DU as well. I was an avid supporter of all but, right now, I could not tell you the last time I clicked on any of the three. I will not let my clicks contribute one penny to any of them! They’ve drunk the Kool-Aide and it is a bitter tasting one at that! Did I hear 527 anyone?

I haven’t decided what I will do if Obama is the nominee. I’ve never not voted and would do almost anything to ensure McCain’s defeat but I am having great difficulty.

I’m sick of the misogynist remarks. I’m sick of emails and letters to MSNBC with no change. It disheartens me that the pledge of “unity” is so misused. Either candidate is going to need each and every vote in November to put him/her over the top of McCain and the swiftboating has hardly started - from that side of the aisle anyway.

I’m tired of the race baiting. The wink wink, nod nod and the dog whistles. I hoped for change, remember those sunny days when we had three great choices - or the choices were unclear because we had great candidates - but when I saw it was not going to be possible with Obama and his campaign and that each accusation he tossed out, was not allowed to be answered, I’ve given up!

Maybe time will change things. I just hope that I live to see that day a woman can walk into the WH as President. I think it will be a very long time before that happens if it doesn’t happen now. My mother was born before women were allowed to vote. I knew she would have been so proud to see a viable woman as a candidate, nominee and President. I wished she hadn’t died last year so she could witness history. Now, I’m glad that she didn’t live to see what this campaign has become.

And I didn’t think we could go much lower than Dubya.

Alegre, thank you. It is about time someone stood up to some aspect of the media. I wish we could get you on the MSM - as a special guest on Hardball, for example….you, rock and I am with you totally…susanclare

I’ve been part of the Daily Kos community almost since its inception. It is no longer the diversely rich, tolerant community it once was. The atmosphere has become toxic for all but the most virulent Obama supporters. Sexism is rampant, expletives serve as discussion points, and the hatred directed at Hillary Clinton and her supporters is untenable. If this an example of the “Unity” that Barack Obama inspires, the country is in for an even more rude awakening than we have experienced in the past 24 Jeremiah-Wright-filled hours.

I have to wonder what took so long for this to happen. I am surprised that you did not leave sooner. I am surprised that others aren’t racing to follow you. What do you think happened to all the readers who found ourselves treated to Hill-bashing every day at KOS and other blogs? Did you think we were hypnotized by the Obama-pod people? Or that we curled up and died? No - we left too. We came in droves to fair-minded blogs like this one. We’ve been quietly carving out a niche for ourselves - just like the first blog-readers of yesteryear… We’re here and we want to read what you have to say. Welcome.

DKos has never been on my “must see” list. It’s always been too big and difficult to navigate. It also seemed to have a good many idiotic commenters.

Nevertheless, it’s sad to see an important blog lose so many good participants because of the incivility and blackballing that’s been going on over there.

This Presidential race ought to be a cause for optimism and hope - all of a sudden it looks like a woman or a black person can be a serious candidate for President. Even if you’re a white man that ought to be good news - the potential talent pool is more than double what it used to be. Yet so much of the discourse has been specious charges of racism and sexism that I’m getting to the point where I don’t want to hear about it any more.

Anyway, Alegre, good for you and the others for taking a stand about this.

Hype-Jersey: You ask what took so long. Mostly it was a sense that some of us should stay simply to act as balance and to counter the most untruthful of the attacks on Clinton. At least that was my motive. But there comes a time when you realize that minds are so closed that they can’t be forced open even with reason and civility. And last week, when Markos himself joined the Hate-Hillary brigade, I saw that kos as it once was could not be resurrected.

I thought I was alone in thinking Markos has gone off the deep end. His blog was supposed to be this community where people could come and support Democrats. Here is what he said when Jake Tapper asked if he endorsed candidates.

“MOULITSAS: We support every Democrat that runs for office. Now, some of them we focus on a lot more and talk about more. You know, we adopt certain races. It’s not an endorsement. It’s a blog of people who are committed to the Democratic Party. So this notion of endorsement, I think, is kind of silly, and it’s an artifact of traditional media where you have to say, ‘I endorse this candidate.’ Well, we technically endorse every single Democrat in the general election. ”

No he still hasn’t endorsed, but what he’s doing now is actually more destructive to his goal. He’s running post after post of anti-Clinton hype, combined with no criticism of Obama. You just cannot do this to liberal regular blog readers. They are too sophisticated to not know when somebody is trying to “sell” them something. It just goes against their nature to be swayed by one-sided commentary. And the thing is, I’ve never seen him address this issue? Surely, some other bloggers have passed along this concern?

I, too, read DailyKos almost from its inception. And I, too, have ‘gone on strike’ since the primary elections started. Somewhere along the way DailyKos seemed to decide to become ‘kingmaker’ because they seem to think ‘what’s best for us’. New politics it ain’t.

If you’ve read Alegre’s diary, you owe it to yourself to read Jeff Lieber’s and DHinMI’s diaries explaining the differences between an online pity party and a strike.

I think Jeff sums it up pretty well:

go out and picket and walk a line for a bunch of months and don’t have any money coming in and spend nights trying to figure out if and when you’ll ever work again and if your friends will ever work again and receive crying phone calls from crew members who have to sell their house and leave the business because they didn’t have savings to cover their asses when things got really bad and have screaming fights with people who you’ve know all your life about whether or not what your UNION is doing is good for the industry or bad for the industry and have neighbors in a panic because their health insurance is about to go away because they haven’t made the yearly minimum and take a hundred phone calls from your family asking again and again whether or not you’re going to be alright and hold fundraisers for people you don’t even know and lobby congress and Wall Street and any one who will listen that the companies you are fighting are REALLY monopolies willing to crush workers rights for profit and try every day just not to go insane from the sheer boredom of waiting for your life to restart.

That’s a WRITER’S STRIKE.

wahhh sexism wahhh misogyny

there are more reasons to dislike someone than their genitalia, people.

You know I read where Paul Krugman complained about the same thing with Obama supporters mean-spiritedness. And probably there are some that sense blood and the possibility of his winning the election. Some people dearly want to see him elected for purely racial reasons, which is NOT the right reason. If he does win the nomination let’s hope it’s because he’s the better of the two Democratic candidates, NOT because he’s black.

THAT SAID, I STRONGLY suspect that A LOT of the admittedly childish infighting going on between Obama and Hillery is being instigated and eagerly stoked by Rove and his henchmen. I wish people would wake up to that probability and stop playing into their hands.

Ugh. You had me then you lost me when you went on and on and on screeching like a banshee. I don’t read Kos and don’t care. The reason people who support Obama hate Clinton is because she’s a hypocrite and a whore (in the political sense). They see a conniving, spiteful, vindictive, spoiled political creature who feels entitled to the presidency by virtual ordination.

I see a pathetic, unstable, over-ambitious, war mongering ex-president’s wife trying to overcome the humiliation she endured when her husband got his dick sucked by a young intern.

Obama’s no peach either: he needs to re-unite his balls with his scrotum and tell the Israeli lobby to go fuck themselves.

Here you are destroying the Dummycratic party as effectively as the Repugnantcans are by nominating that mental giant McCain. I say good! Good, god damn it, good!

A pox on both your god damn war mongering houses!