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Must-Watch: Frank Luntz on Obama’s Speech

This was an exceptionally good segment on Fox News’s Hannity & Colmes tonight. No matter your views of Fox, Hannity, or Luntz, you will be riveted by Luntz’s astute analyses. There are two videos here and, below the fold, the words of General Colin Powell on his courageous stand against hate speech:

SECOND VIDEO:

Fox News has several more videos available on the speech today. I am still looking for video of Neal Cavuto’s interview of Newt Gingrich. [I FOUND the video and it's above.] Yes, again, think of Gingrich what you will, but he was incisive on the problems with Obama’s speech today. (Gingrich was also on O’Reilly later, but the Cavuto interview was better.)

Of note, I thought Obama looked like “death warmed over” today. He is gaunt — like he has lost weight — and he has aged 10 years in two weeks.

I also noted that the applause was sparse. Perhaps it was that the audio didn’t pick up the applause? But I didn’t hear any of the supportive applause or shouts that one is used to hearing when he speaks.

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Joshua Pundit blog:

Here’s what then Secretary of State Colin Powell had to say about it:

“Today I have instructed our representatives at the World Conference Against Racism to return home. I have taken this decision with regret, because of the importance of the international fight against racism and the contribution that the Conference could have made to it. But, following discussions today by our team in Durban and others who are working for a successful conference, I am convinced that will not be possible. I know that you do not combat racism by conferences that produce declarations containing hateful language, some of which is a throwback to the days of “Zionism equals racism;” or supports the idea that we have made too much of the Holocaust; or suggests that apartheid exists in Israel; or that singles out only one country in the world–Israel–for censure and abuse.”

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Comment by Smilin' Jim | 2008-03-18 23:39:53

God loves Faux News.

Before you get too giddy about this guy check out his methods on Real Time With Bill Maher.

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-03-18 23:42:12

Always the know-it-all-better-than-the-rest-of-us snark. Try watching the videos (which is impossible, since you posted so quickly). Whether or not you like Luntz, LISTEN to what he says. No sentient person cannot help but agree with him this time.

ALSO read what Colin Powell said above about hate speech.

Comment by bert | 2008-03-19 00:07:56

Disagree with Luntz or not, what he is really able to do is 1.) know how the average American feels, cares about, and thinks, then 2.) devise effective strategies and attack ads that favor his candidates using this knowledge. He is good at what he does, and you can see how he is going to craft his attack ads* from this interview. And they will not be overtly racist, they will have an air of moderation and just plain ‘ole common sense about them.

* assuming Obama gets the nomination

 

Comment by QuietOne | 2008-03-19 00:17:27

What Wright said is said often when only AAs are present. It is amazing that whites are “shocked, simply shocked” that this sentiment was expressed by Wright. The comments on this site and on Fox reflect the great gulf between the AA community and the rest of the US.

That said, there are several important points:
First, with regard to the question of honesty, unless Obama never in 20 years had a serious political discussion with his pastor it is not possible he didn’t know. I have never known an AA who held those views to keep them a secret. Given that he knew enough to disinvite Wright to his announcement, it seems that he knew about those views. So Luntz is right to raise the issue of honesty.

Second, in regard to the question of association, the issue is more complex. You have to separate his friendship with a father figure from his decision to attend the church with his family. I don’t think anyone on site has completely disassociated themselves from everyone who holds racist, antisemitic, or other biased views. Other wise the use by one blogger on this site of the term “halfbreed” in describing Bush might have raised an eyebrow. It didn’t. So part of the association question is legitimate - why not take your family to a different church?

Third, in regard to the judgment question, I think that one is easy. I think he made a political judgment to attend this church because it would help him politically in the AA community. Which gets us back to my initial statement.

Comment by 1950democrat | 2008-03-19 01:40:38

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/bobamasunlikelypoliticaledu.html

[I]n Chicago’s South Side, his teachers were schooled in a style of organizing devised by Saul Alinsky, the radical University of Chicagotrained social scientist. At the heart of the Alinsky method is the concept of “agitation”–making someone angry enough about the rotten state of his life that he agrees to take action to change it; or, as Alinsky himself described the job, to “rub raw the sores of discontent.”
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[Obama] was a natural, the undisputed master of agitation [....]
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[Obama] longed for an experience that connected him to the civil rights era. “In the sit-ins, the marches, the jailhouse songs,” he wrote in Dreams, “I saw the African-American community becoming more than just the place where you’d been born or the house where you’d been raised. Through organizing, through shared sacrifice, membership had been earned.” Obama wanted to join the club.

 

Comment by BernieO | 2008-03-19 09:00:41

And he stayed and allowed his children to exposed to this sick message for political expediency. So who is willing to do anything to get elected?
Don’t tell me that after he got elected and was doing well he could not have found another church, even if it meant going to Wright to tell him he needed to do it to preserve his political viability for national office. (Remember, he had talked to a lot of people about wanting to be president.)
What I find most unnerving in both this case ane the Rezko house deal is that he seems to believe he would not be held accountable. That suggests either great immaturity or a serious character flaw. Only time will tell.

 
 

Comment by Smilin' Jim | 2008-03-19 10:27:11

Temper temper.

What you would have learned if you had followed the Maher reference is that the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

He participated with Maher in a “statistical demonstration” (rehearsed, of course) which showed that Obama was by far the people’s favorite. That they did this with a stacked SoCal audience may have been beyond the scope of the average viewer with no background in sampling.

The point is that we really do not yet know what his guy’s game is.

Congratulations on retrieving the button, BTW.

 
 

Comment by DENDY | 2008-03-19 01:12:12

THE fact is Obama allowed his daughters to listen to Pastor Wright hateful racism speeches. Today Obama threw his Grandmother under the Bus to save his political LIFE.
THE MEDIA APLAUDS! MLK BACK TO LIVE. CRISSIS TURNS TO OPERTUNITY. A SPEECH FROM THE HEART (TELEPROMPTER)
EVERYONE In THE MEDIA FAILS TO RECOGNIZE THAT WHEN One BACK IS UP AGAINST THE WALL; ONE HAS TO ACT Or GO UP IN FLAMES.
A SPEECH OF OPORTUNITY, A HISTORIC ONE…JUST LIKE MLK…ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
THE SPEECH WAS AN ATEMPED FOR SURVIVAL NOTHING MORE.
WHEN UP AGAINST THE WALL BRINGING UP A FAMMILY MEMBER USUALY IS THE MOST CONVINIENT WAY OUT.IT’S PERSONAL, IT’S DISHING, AND THERE IS A ELEMENT OF GENARALIZATION, THE VERY THING HE ACUSED HIS GRANDMOTHER OF DOING.
IT WAS MEANT TO MAKE US MAYBE RECOGNIZE OUR SELFS AND FEEL GUILTY.
HOWEVER I RELLY DON’T. HOW CAN I?
IN A TIME OF OPRAH, TIGER WOODS, KANIE, WILL SMITH, P DIDDY, SNOOP, WOOPY EVEN BARACK HIMSELF IT WASN’T ME SITTING THERE FOR 20 YEARS LISTENING TO HATFULL PRICHING.I CAN’T IMAGINE WAISTING MY TIME like that.
AND THE QUESTION NOW, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? AFTER THE SPEECH…ARE THE BLACK CHURCHES GOING TO CHANGE THERE WAY OF PRITCHING, OR ARE WE SUPOSE TO BACK OUT AND LET THE THINGS BE THE WAY THERE ARE, CONVINIENT FOR HIM, BECAUSE WE ARE SUPOSE TO FEEL GUILTY OF THE DESPICABLE SIN OF ASKING QUESTIONS?

Comment by Mr.Murder | 2008-03-19 03:13:47

Is this a parody troll?

Comment by Donald from Hawaii | 2008-03-19 20:41:04

Well, if it isn’t, it’s definitely a reasonable facsimile or one of the inspirations for the film Deliverance.

 
 
 

Comment by AF catfish | 2008-03-19 13:18:08

OK I am a definite Democrat, more willing to talk about race than other white Dems I know. And lately I’ve been turning to Fox because they, too, are willing to talk about race head on rather than nervously dancing away from the subject.

 
 

Comment by jason_in_sf | 2008-03-18 23:44:15

frank luntz is a paid republican liar

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-03-18 23:49:32

Yada yada yada. Keep your hands clapped over your ears.

Comment by Hope | 2008-03-19 01:28:29

My hands are getting tired! Is the noise over yet?

 
 
 

Comment by Obama_is_a_hypocrit | 2008-03-18 23:46:07

What Obama said in response to Imus’ “nappy-headed-ho’s” comment:

“There’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude,” Obama told ABC News in an April 11 interview.

Comment by fooj | 2008-03-18 23:58:48

 
 

Comment by Obama_is_a_hypocrit | 2008-03-18 23:47:52

Obama said in the 2007 ABC interview he would never appear again on Imus’ show.

“He didn’t just cross the line,” Obama said. “He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America.”

 

Comment by jharp | 2008-03-18 23:51:20

Larry,

I have to tell you that I am disappointed with your posts lately and specifically this one.

I am a Clinton supporter as I think she is the most qualified.

However I will happily support Senator Obama and I feel you are hurting him and helping the party that has nearly destroyed our country.

Fuck Fox News and I hope you never link to them again. Sean Hannity is a horses ass and a phony and is bad for our country.

Peace to you and I hope Clinton is our next Pres. (Edwards was my first pick)

Comment by DisenfranchisedVoter | 2008-03-19 00:06:47

jharp: The Rethuglicans, no matter how we usually dislike them, are the only ones making sense right now. We can disagree with them on policy but these guys are smart. They win elections and they know how to smear people and ruin careers. You might think that is horrible but hey, they win and the Democrats need to learn from their mistakes. The Rethuglicans will not let this go so you can blame Larry or Susan but if you look at the big picture this post means squat. FOX News will continue to talk about this and they will talk about this in the general if Obama is the nominee. Get used to it. The Democrats need to start looking at the good and the bad. Let’s start looking at Obama’s negatives because if we continue to ignore them and look at him as a messiah we will lose the general and we will lose big. This is also important for anyone who has yet to vote in the remaining primaries. They need to examine both sides and that means listening to what the Rethuglicans have to say about this. If we had caught Kerry’s negatives sooner and confronted his issues before the Swiftboaters, maybe we wouldn’t be in this mess right now. Listen and learn. The Rethuglicans right now are being straight shooters. They hate Obama and Clinton so their analysis is going to be more neutral than someone like Keith Olbermann who finds nothing wrong with Obama and everything wrong with Clinton.

Comment by The Gringo's Wife | 2008-03-19 00:44:18

I came to a horrific realization today. I’m watching Fox news!

Something really wrong is going on in America.

Anybody call Kucinich on UFO sightings? I’m beginning to think we have had some morphed version of body snatchers. Only they have screwed up our brains and they put them back in the wrong places.

I figure the truth has no boundaries and it can be found anywhere. Even at Fox once in a while.

Beware not to get a false sense of security with Fox. I believe the ratio is for every one truth they tell, four lies scroll by.

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-03-19 09:17:28

The GOOD thing is that we know what Fox News is all about. So we are watching with wide-open eyes.

I figure there’s no harm since I know what’s what — and they ARE covering the Wright story well, and allow people on ALL sides of the issue to speak out*. And, as Larry says to me when I express my astonishment that I’m watching Fox News, “even a broken clock is right twice a day.”

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*They invite guests who support Wright and support Obama. Greta sent one of her regular panelists to Chicago to go to the church, and he reported positively about the church, and about Obama’s speech. Greta let him speak. She was far more respectful of his POV than, say, Keith Olbermann, who’d NEVER let anyone on his show who’s not for Obama.

 
 

Comment by simon | 2008-03-19 08:25:14

They win elections and they know how to smear people and ruin careers

NO, you miss the big picture.

The republicans smear, gain an office, then lose.

They are incapable of creating effective policy, and governing.

Larry’s pig post the other day laid out exactly how stinking inept the republicans are, essentially losing in seven years the greater asymmetric war.
They are not smart, this meme has to stop.

Without a compliant press, the republican MO fails, miserably,

Bullying is not an example of superior reasoning.

Think.

 

Comment by Fran | 2008-03-19 11:05:50

I agree. I was actually relieved to listen to NEWT GINGRICH last night on Fox! It’s the only network that is speaking the truth about this. This morning, there were Obama love fests everywhere on NBC, ABC, etc. NOT ONE STATION mentioned that he lied last week on national television. He firmly declared that he had not heard these sermons or controversial comments–on several different stations Friday. Yesterday, he openly admitted it. Is this not important? This is not about “some guy.” This person is running to be President! And the judgment question is also critical. Gingrich emphasized this: if he did not have the judgment to confront Wright about this, or remove himself from this environment, then how can he be trusted on the world stage, dealing with all kinds of nefarious characters who want to take advantage of presidential powers and associations? Today, the tone seems to be “poor Obama.” The only reason he is “courageously” dealing with this now, is because has hidden it all this time, and it threatened his candidacy. These points seem incredibly obvious to me, and I hope, to the average American, because the MSM continues their snow job.

 
 

Comment by bert | 2008-03-19 00:15:14

jharp

I can understand your feelings. However, I don’t think Larry and Susan are hurting Obama. Obama hurt himself. Larry and Susan are just reporting it.

And while I detest FOX I believe it is necessary to know what the opposition is saying and thinking so that we can devise a strategy to counter act it. I don’t think we learn the most by simply and only talking with those who we agree with - however much fun that is. After a while the echo chamber becomes boring.

I think we can learn from those that we disagree with.

 

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-03-19 00:33:37

What we’re revealing is nothing compared to what the GOP would do to him if he is the nominee.

The ABC News story tonight is an example — more and more and more will keep coming out — and that is not the product of anything we are doing, except to point it out.

Let us hope that people come to their senses, and that Hillary Clinton is our nominee.

Comment by The Gringo's Wife | 2008-03-19 00:48:18

I can only pray you are right Susan.

Also, what these self-righteous types never seem to get is that Obama and his campaign have been tearing Clinton down from the start. So why is he not just as responsible for doing the same? Hmmmm? Why isn’t Mr. Obama getting out of the race knowing that he doesn’t stand a chance in the general? Hmmmmmmm?

That’s why I own a stainless steel kettle. Rather than argue its color, it simply reflects back my own face. It is a great shutter upper. :)

Comment by PMS | 2008-03-19 07:58:08

That’s why I own a stainless steel kettle. Rather than argue its color, it simply reflects back my own face. It is a great shutter upper.

Guess that’s why I own a cast iron skillet… to reflect my sinful old heart.

 
 
 

Comment by Pacific John | 2008-03-19 00:44:39

You have the wrong target. I suggest that outrage be directed at a candidate on our side who presented this kind of material to the other side on a silver platter. BO knew exactly f-ing well this was an issue, and did not put it to bed 12 months ago when it was appropriate.

The FIRST rule of campaigning is to come clean with dirty laundry at the very beginning. Of course this runs the risk of losing the primary before it starts, but covering up something like this can damage far more than a campaign.

Imagine how screwed we would feel if we had first found out about this *after* Obama became the nominee.

Comment by 1950democrat | 2008-03-19 02:33:51

Obama is not ready for prime time. He should have distanced himself from Wright as soon as he began running for office with a mixed constituency — US Senate. He knew there was a problem with Wright, but didn’t even check the tapes. He should have asked the church not to sell them till after November — on their website to Fox and ABC yet! He hadn’t even prepared a response if they did come out: he lied and stammered and made a mystery out of his attendence which fed the story.

This is not the way to react at 3 a.m. This fellow has not been vetted; his own staff are incompetent.

These tapes speak for themselves, even if the GOP stops pushing them. LInks, email….

Comment by Mary | 2008-03-19 10:42:52

I think we have to ask ourselves why the OTHER stations (MSNBC , CNN, etc) were negligent in finding these tapes, were negligent in bringing factual evidence to their listeners, and continued to annoint Obama as more than he actually is.

I think we ALL watched the willfull trashing of Hillary Clinton over the last few months, while Obama rode the “post-racial great uniter” horse to the nomination.

I never thought I’d be watching Fox News, either, but they appear to be the only ones reporting on the tapes and giving Americans a fuller image of who Barak Obama is and has been.

With all due respect.

 
 
 

Comment by Hope | 2008-03-19 01:31:49

jharp

Normally I would agree with you. However, one thing I’ve noticed about this site which is different than most sites that I’ve frequented: this place allows honest, uncensored comments. It is important to hear from all sides don’t you think?

We can’t be too monolithic.

 
 

Comment by Truthteller | 2008-03-18 23:51:35

Luntz’s remarks about sincerity and the teleprompter are apposite, and I agree with his contention that the analogy Obama establishes between his grandmother and Jeremiah Wright is inapt. This also applies to Obama’s invocation of Geraldine Ferraro, whose statements, however offensive, are innocuous when compared to the vigorous polemics of Jeremiah Wright. And yes, I view Obama’s attempt to render Jeremiah Wright into a synecdoche for the African-American community as a shrewd but diabolically disingenuous rhetorical strategy. Also disturbing is his conflation of the Republican Southern Strategy with the exposure of his relation to Jeremiah Wright.

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-03-19 00:00:52

Thank you for watching the videos before you commented.

Your remarks add a lot to the discussion. And I LOVE your post about Exelon! WTG.

Comment by Truthteller | 2008-03-19 00:14:15

Thank you. But try to have a discussion with local residents about Obama’s relation to Exelon. Either they are deaf, or they ignore the incontrovertible evidence.

 
 

Comment by Rob Gard | 2008-03-19 07:52:58

How are Geraldine Ferraro’s statements in any way offensive when Barack Obama said the same things about himself ? See link below:

http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5460047

 
 

Comment by Melanie | 2008-03-18 23:56:14

Well, how shocking. This is the only media analysis of this speech that I totally agree with. Bringing in granny? Equating Ferrarro with Wright? Where does this guy get off?

Comment by Hope | 2008-03-19 01:17:42

I just can’t seem to forget poor Granny. I know I’m redundant but according to my value system isn’t it a bit disloyal to bring up your Granny’s racists comments on national television? What the hell is wrong with this guy? It doesn’t matter that he had to make some kind of comparison for his racists arguments, why couldn’t he bring up another example other than Granny? If I were Granny I’d throttle the little traitor. Sorry folks but I guess this hit my button.

Now everyone thinks Granny is a racist! Nice guy huh? If that isn’t shitting on your blood I don’t know what else it could be. All just to defend Reverend Wrong.

Comment by PMS | 2008-03-19 08:02:31

Guess what? If his granny was like mine, she was afraid of a lot of WHITE men on the street, too.

And the things she used to say about Aggies!!!

 
 
 

Comment by Inquiring minds | 2008-03-19 00:01:06

ABC has a new video up tonight. More From Obama’s Pastor: U.S. a Racist Superpower

How many more of these videos will continue to trickle out?

Other sermons reviewed by ABC News, from videotapes sold by the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, reflect Rev. Wright’s repeated attacks on the U.S. government as a “racist and arrogant superpower” that does not value its black citizens.

“The winds of Katrina blew the cover off America. The hurricane exposed the hypocrisy,” Rev. Wright said, “protecting white folks’ property took priority over saving black folks’ lives.” He continued, “This storm called Katrina says far more about a racist government than it does about the wrath of God.”

In April 2003, Rev. Wright told his congregation that “the United States government has failed the vast majority of our citizens of African descent.”

“For every one Oprah, a billionaire, you’ve got five million blacks who are out of work,” he said. “For every one Colin Powell, a millionaire, you’ve got 10 million blacks who cannot read. For every one Condoskeeza [sic] Rice, you’ve got one million in prison. For every one Tiger Woods, who needs to get beat, at the Masters, with his cap-blazing hips, playing on a course that discriminates against women. For every one Tiger Woods, we got 10,000 black kids who will never see a golf course.”

Democrats might feel less discomfort with remarks on Katrina and African American Republicans but this will continue to erode the support of Independents and Republicans that Obama has enjoyed to date. Wright is a lightening rod and Obama doesn’t seem to have the good judgement to not play with lightning.

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-03-19 00:07:42

Oh my god. I cannot believe this, and i thought i’d heard the worst of Wright.

We’ll get the video and put it up. Dear god. I am truly shocked.

 

Comment by Truthteller | 2008-03-19 00:11:40

Perhaps this explains why Oprah no longer attends Trinity.

 

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-19 00:24:12

Amazing that this guy wasn’t “retired” years ago.

 

Comment by jharp | 2008-03-19 00:30:39

Other than the comment about Tiger “who needs to get beat” I happen to agree with the pastor.

Though I agree it’s an albatross in the election. So what’s a man to do?

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-03-19 00:55:03

???
America failed AA’s ? America is not a hand out, is there human violence in the form of ethnic nationalism,sexism and bigotry Ubet.

 

Comment by Rob Gard | 2008-03-19 08:01:24

Rev. Wright was not confining his remarks to the failures of the Bush Administration. Now, Kanye West “George Bush doesn’t care about Black people” was spot-on, but this Rev. Wright condemnation of America; in particular, white Americans, was vile racist bullshit.

 
 
 

Comment by Joshuapundit | 2008-03-19 00:02:54

I got to hear Obama’s entire speech today, and later compared it with the transcript to reinforce my initial reaction, which some of you may find of interest… absolutely unbelievable.

 

Comment by apishapa | 2008-03-19 00:04:36

I haven’t seen or read the speech, but I have read several reviews of the speech that make it seem like a lot of the speech or the ideas expressed were lifted from a speech by Bill Clinton in 1995 at the Million Man March. Typical.

 

Comment by mel | 2008-03-19 00:05:31

Let’s see, people have excused Obama for his deception of Rezko 5 times, his lies over NAFTA 5 times, his condemnation of Wright 3 times thus far, so will today be excused #4 on the lie of never hearing those words by Wright? When is enough enough?

To believe today is allowing Obama clearing of his reasoning for associations with Rezko, Ayers and Wright! Bamboozled and shafted playing the one card that is nasty to attack upon!

Comment by Truthteller | 2008-03-19 00:12:47

And they will also excuse the bill he wrote with lobbyists of the nuclear power industry.

 

Comment by Rob Gard | 2008-03-19 08:11:00

And all of this with about an hour of free live television exposure on all major cable outlets and endless replays on network TV for what was essentially, a political speech. While CNN gave Hillary a few minutes of live TV yesterday, they cut her off after she refused to get dragged into the conflict that the CNN was trying to roil (when asked if Obama’s speech was sufficient to diffuse the issue, she deflected the question, and said that the question should be directed to Obama). In the meantime, all of the networks ignored Hillary’s major opus on her plans to end the war in Iraq. The mainstram media is trying a new tactic. They are tired of being accused of being unfair and buased against Hillary and in favor of Obama, so they have determined that if they can’t say something really nasty or snarky against Hillary, then they will ignore her like they did to John Edwards. In the meantime, Obama is trolling for more network freebies, and announced that he has plans for two more major speeches in the near future.

 
 

Comment by jharp | 2008-03-19 00:14:22

DisenfranchisedVoter,

Cannot disagree with anything you posted.

You’ve got me in a real quandary.

I’d like promote that we have two good candidates and you make good points that we shouldn’t.

I am astounded that Obama’s pastors sermons are an issue. Our country has lost it’s mind.

Comment by Andy | 2008-03-19 00:29:02

jharp:

Are you astounded that the sermons of Jeremiah Wright are an issue or of the contents of sermons themselves?

Comment by jharp | 2008-03-19 00:36:53

I guess both.

I firmly believe religion is a very private matter between a man and his God or his church or whatever or whomever he worships.

Comment by Mr.Murder | 2008-03-19 03:23:23

Then agree Barack had business making this guy part of his campaign effort?

Barack Obama Triangulator.

If Obama didn’t see any problem with him, only the shortcomings others had in not agreeing with his preacher, why did try to keep the man as part of his effort and distance self from him at the same time?

 

Comment by PMS | 2008-03-19 08:20:42

Too many Democrats think “religion” is something nice you do on Sunday mornings (when real Democrats watch the Sunday Morning Talk Shows). Too many Democrats think “religion” (I’m talking to you, Howard Dean) is kind of like the Kiwanis Club, or the Rotary, or maybe even as deep as the Masonic Lodge… a harmless bit of “fluff”, a hobby. They just don’t get it (for a bit of fun, find the Mother Jones News expose of Hillary’s religious beliefs… they were kinda shocked “Oh my gosh! She BELIEVES this stuff!”).

“Religious” people feel differently. Their “religion” informs them of who they are. It IS their moral compass. The majority of Americans are “religious”, and they will see these videos, and hear Obama’s high words, and see the huge disconnect between the two. What Barack Obama’s pastor preached, taught, and believed are seen as central to what Barack Obama himself believes.

Obamaites can throw out words like “Jesus” and “Christian” and “baptize” related to Trinity UCC, but the majority of American Christians will also see a huge disconnect between their own traditional (but watered-down) Christianity, and the “Black Jesus Liberation Christianity” religion of Cone, Wright, and Obama. Liberal Democrats (as a whole) don’t understand that the kind of “Christian religion” they may personally find palatable represents the most dramatically shrinking branch of that “religion”.

 
 
 

Comment by DisenfranchisedVoter | 2008-03-19 00:35:48

Yea, this is a serious problem for Obama and the Democratic party. If Dean’s scream can ruin his chances at the nomination or Kerry, a vietnam veteran, portrayed as a traitor then you can be sure that this will ruin Obama. The Repubs don’t even need to do work on this. They just need to buy air time and show Rev. Wright saying we deserved 9/11 in every city in the U.S. The Democrats will never recover.
I’m irrational right now. I personally do not like Obama and I blame him for the mess we’re in right now. I think he needs to agree to seat MI and FL and think about being Clinton’s VP. I know that won’t happen though. The perfect situation would’ve been for Clinton to be the nominee and Obama to run in 8 years. Alas, the Democrats always find a way of screwing ourselves over.
But this is a real issue and in a way I think the media should’ve let voters know early on but they did when it might be too late for Clinton to catch up in the delegate count. We might actually have a nominee that will have no chance of winning the general. 1 in 4 voters in Florida have said that they won’t support the Dem nominee if their votes aren’t counted. Clinton supporters are reasonably angered both at Obama for his race baiting and at the DNC and Dean for punishing MI and FL thereby disenfranchising voters and denying Clinton much needed delegates she deserves. This is a mess and I don’t think we can blame the Repubs. This is our own mess and if we lose in the general it will be the fault of the DNC and our leaders.

 
 

Comment by Joe | 2008-03-19 00:14:46

I’m sure Adolph Hitler was a courteous individual and a wonderful person to his family and friends too, but that does not change the fact that the man was evil and full of hate. Obama knew that Wright had a reputation for saying hateful things towards whites, Jews and the USA for the last 20 years but chose willingly to associate with him and have the man baptize his children. Actions speak louder than words and flowery speeches to starstruck journalists and his worshipful supporters.

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-03-19 00:35:22

To people who point out that someone must be wonderful because they love dogs and cats, I always point out that Hitler was a great lover of dogs.

Comment by Hope | 2008-03-19 01:12:36

Did he throw grandma under the bus though? :-)

Comment by simon | 2008-03-19 08:33:00

Did he throw grandma under the bus though?

Only the Jews, some Catholics, gypsies and homosexuals.

 
 
 

Comment by Mr.Murder | 2008-03-19 03:25:34

Terrible comparison to make though. No equivocation there.

 

Comment by Smilin' Jim | 2008-03-19 19:29:31

“I’m sure Adolph Hitler was a courteous individual”

Godwin point

 
 

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-03-19 00:17:27

You know the end of days is near when the most reliable source of unbiased news coverage becomes Fox. But strangely they have consistently been better than many of the other networks at actually reporting news. And that is frightening. Perhaps if the other networks would try a little something that used to be called journalism we wouldn’t have to watch Fox. But sadly, they don’t.

Thank you for these wonderful finds Susan. You do a great service for the cause. Always.

Comment by The Gringo's Wife | 2008-03-19 00:53:37

Flea - see my post on this very thing.

I keep expecting the real Chicken Little to appear down the street yelling “The Democrats are falling!”

 
 

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-03-19 00:30:11

Susan I watched “Profannity and Bones” tonight and BO speech today,, (after spending time down in the basement)…I imagine if you ask Mr Johnson if he ever had to listen hours of objectionable shit just to get 30 seconds of intel he might tell you it was worth it.

what is interesting is how people are selective in what they watch just to avoid audio conflicts….

What I took away from Obama is he was throwing himself on the “mercy of the court” but at the same time not missing a beat to stick it to anybody but himself and his choices and actions. Hillary , Ferraro his own mother? All three of these white women were denagrated by him to day…What is with “sincerely” presented crap?

Anyway in case I missed you staing how Bear was, I hope he is ok.

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-03-19 00:38:05

Thank you for asking … it was so bad yesterday, waiting to hear from the vet. Bear is home. He hasn’t lost weight and didn’t have a fever. But he is a pretty sick little fellow.

The veterinarian anesthetized him, cleaned out the big wound, and then sutured it. She also gave him antibiotics and fluids.

He also has a bad cold. He is just lying down all the time. He doesn’t feel good, but it’s so good we got him into that vet, who looked utterly exhausted when we arrived at 5:30 to pick him up…. she was booked solid but squeezed him in. Thank goodness. The wound was infected.

Comment by salo | 2008-03-19 01:28:29

yeah that was odd. his grandma? Jarring. A trinity of racist white women?

Comment by Mary | 2008-03-19 11:35:13

I think Obama has issues with WOMEN, period.

He thinks it’s his mom’s fault that his absent Black Dad was an abusive alcoholic bigamist.

The man needs serious counseling.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Mary Jo Kopechne | 2008-03-19 00:33:22

It’s so ironic to hear accurate criticism from Fox, a place I’ve avoided during the Bush administration. But I’m relieved to hear it. Thanks for posting it.

it’s interesting how all reporters and bloggers who do criticize Obama receive just hate mail, as Hannity says at the end of the second video, the worst of his twelve year career. I’ve heard and read that everywhere. The Kool Aid drinkers are a nasty lot. But look who they have as a role model, eh?

 

Comment by Andy | 2008-03-19 00:42:13

The main stream media (papers and TV) has been so intoxicated with Obama that
they have sucked all the oxygen for criticism… We know what Fox, TNR, National Review are capable of. But given the circus out there this days I welcome any discussion that is not blindly and nauseatingly in irrational love with Obama.

I heard the audio of the pieces above (avoid looking at their faces to focus in whta they were saying) and I have to say what Luntz exactly right. Excellent analysis.

Hannity should have asked a different question (he tried whether Obama was just as racist and bigot as Obama–which we can debate but he’ll get nowhere with that) What he should have asked is:

Would Jeremiah Wright be a guest in an Obama’s White House?

From Obama’s speech today, the answers seems to be : “yes he would indeed”.

And that, is a huge huge problem for Obama.

Comment by Andy | 2008-03-19 00:44:23

I meant :

“… and I have to say that Luntz was exactly right. Excellent analysis. ”

(I should go to sleep)

 

Comment by The Gringo's Wife | 2008-03-19 01:01:38

Talking about this today in an almost dazed way … I just can’t get over the MSM’s plavlovic response to Obama’s speech, again.

With regard to Obama, the MSM is acting exactly the way it did with Bush.

We saw mumbling they said he was historic… etc.

Why is the MSM falling all over themselves with Obama.

More importantly, anyone catch Joe Scarborough on last week’s Maher show? They were talking about the change in the media towards Obama. Joe said someting about how careful they have to be about what they do say. How they are being talked to routinely about what they have to stay away from.

So MSM pushed for Bush in ‘04. Now they seem to be hell bent on pushing Obama. Why?

1. They want McCain to be POTUS and know Obama will lose to him.

2. They want Obama to win.

There is no doubt left in my mind anymore that this is an orchestrated event. Just as I have no doubt that the market crush is also an orchestrated event (to the benefit of the kabillionaires who made record profits last year).

Which leaves us with the bigger question. Why is Big Media afraid of Hillary Clinton?

 
 

Comment by Andy | 2008-03-19 00:45:46

I actually applaud Luntz for pointing the Obama’s travesty and cheap political shot of equating Ferraro with Wright. That was really low from Obama’s part.

 

Comment by ConfusedDemocrat | 2008-03-19 00:48:22

It is funny seeing how Obama today decided to throw Republicans under the bus and blame them for the state of race relations in America.

“So now Reagan’s Coalition is something bad to Barack? After dog whistling to Republicans by calling Reagan a “transformative” figure and calling the Republican Party “the party of ideas” now he wants to discuss how that transformation and those ideas were poisonous to America? Give me a break.”

http://stuffobamalikes.blogspot.com/2008/03/being-victim.html

Also

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-03-19 01:07:16

It was like watching a bad stand up comic, with that rethug line…democrat by day; rethug by night

 
 

Comment by Andy | 2008-03-19 00:48:32

Many thanks for this post Susan! I really appreciate it. For one I don’t have cable
(a blessing overall these days I think) but also for reminding us of Powell’s comments of that infamous convention: that was priceless !!.

 

Comment by ConfusedDemocrat | 2008-03-19 00:51:30

Sorry the comment submitted before I was done. Susan have you heard of Dorothy Tillman? Barack endorsed her in Chicago. Just wait until Sean Hannity gets a wind of this woman and how racially divisive she is and how Barack associated and endorsed with her.

“Long known for battling racism, 3rd Ward Alderman Dorothy Tillman draws criticism in the wake of a discrimination lawsuit. Two white waiters, Ahmet Gundogdu and Michael Otte, allege the Palmer House Hilton removed them from working Tillman’s banquet last October after her staff asked for black waiters. According to the suit, the 11-year veteran waiters were told to work at another event or leave for the day. They seek $100,000 in damages. Tillman, who is not a defendant, tells the Sun-Times: “It is not personal against anybody. I am just pro-my people.”

How the mighty have fallen. Once a powerful Alderman in Chicago and endorsed by Barack Obama (she lost anyway) the gun carrying, flamboyant hat- wearing, racist Dorothy Tillman landed in jail recently.”

http://stuffobamalikes.blogspot.com/2008/03/dorothy-tillman.html

Comment by simon | 2008-03-19 08:39:10

Long known for battling racism, 3rd Ward Alderman Dorothy Tillman draws criticism in the wake of a discrimination lawsuit. Two white waiters, Ahmet Gundogdu and Michael Otte, allege the Palmer House Hilton removed them from working Tillman’s banquet last October after her staff asked for black waiters. According to the suit, the

This is the information Dean and Pelosi selectively choose to ignore, explaining why democrats lose elections.

That elite no mind democrat can’t seem to get his head around anything else but himself, the republicans see Obama’s HUGE liabilities(corruption, terrorism), and exploit.

Obama is radioactive trash.

 
 

Comment by DisenfranchisedVoter | 2008-03-19 00:53:07

I just watched the Newt Gingrich interview. He does make good points. They are already talking about what McCain should do to let the remaining 34% of Americans who know nothing about Rev. Wright learn more about him and Obama’s 20 year relationships to this man. Trust that the McCain campaign is on this and are thinking of ways right now on how they will use this against Obama in a general eleciton.

 

Comment by Andy | 2008-03-19 01:04:10

BTW, there are a few good articles critical of Obama’s speech and in general his approach to race; I read a few in RCP just a while ago:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/new_wright.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120579535818243439.htmlmod=opinion_main_commentaries (a must read)

Two from Politico
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9104.html

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9111.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2008/03/on_obamas_speech.html (this one is long and quite benevolent except its ending–get to the last bit)

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