“A loss of cataclysmic and historical proportions is afoot!” [Update]
By NoQuarter on March 20, 2008 at 1:24 PM in Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton
From MyDD “New SUSAUSA poll for Massachusetts fall match-up”:
McCain 47
Obama 47
A friend just wrote to me, “A loss of cataclysmic and historical proportions is afoot!” Can you BELIEVE IT? Massachusetts is the ONE state that Democrats can always count on. People, we have to call ALL of our superdelegates, all of them, and tell them to WAKE UP NOW! Hillary Clinton is not only our only hope — she is our BEST hope! Here is why we must speak out to our superdelegates:
UPDATE: The Wall Street Journal reports that after Sen. Barack Obama’s “race-relations speech this week,” the remaining “fence-sitters” among the Democratic superdelegates are waiting to “see how their constituents react to his attempts to soothe racial tension.” Superdelegates are “watching to see whether the senator’s oratory will assuage white voters outraged at Internet videos showing the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. suggesting that America be damned for its treatment of blacks. Separately, many worry that black voters will be outraged by a sense that Sen. Obama is being unfairly judged.” (Political Bulletin, U.S. News & World Report, March 20, 2008)
The MyDD diary:
Obama can’t win Massachusetts
by pollbuster, Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:53:27 PM ESTA new Survey USA poll has Obama and McCain tied in Massahusetts 47-47. If Obama can’t beat McCain in Mass, where can he beat him. It’s time for the super delegates to step in, and stop what is now beginning to look like a democratic defeat of historic proportions in November. We can’t afford another 8 years of GOP rule. By the way Hillary leads in Mass, according to Survey USA, by 13 points. Real Clear Politics.
poll after poll of hypothetical general election races in MA show Obama statistically tied with McCain. this poll is not an anomaly.
Maybe so, but look at the other polls at real clear…not looking too good for BO…
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html
If Obama is not a hundred miles ahead in Massachusetts, we might be looking at a race where the Democratic nominee garners the District’s three electoral votes and not one more than that. I guess a presidential nominee who wins only three electoral votes would be be pretty unconventional. Keep it up, Barack baby.
Since his speech I’ve been saying that he will be lucky to garner even one state, including his home state. I didn’t factor in D.C. Thanks.
Inspite of what that embarrassing talking head Matthews says between his gushing over Obama,that speech killed any chance he has of winning a Presidency now or possibly any time in the future.
I would expect that if Hillary trounces him in the final primaries then the super delegates will be wise enough to ease out Obama and ease in Hillary.
Can you say Barack Hussein McGovern?
Fed Up: Can you say,
Barack Hussein McMondukakerry?
If Obama carries only the District of Columbia, we’ll be breaking new ground.
This is bad news for the Obamabots. They tried to convince me months ago that Obama would win many Repubs, most Indep and all Democrats and there would be a landslide 60-40 win for Obama. In theory, after the Bush catastrophe, Mickey Mouse could have run and won, but Obama is radioactive. He is untrustworthy and this will lead to more years with a Repub president. Hillary is our only alternative and I hope the SDs do the right thing for our nation and our party.
Why do you think Obama and his wreckers have already been bloviating about SDs and how ‘undemocratic’ they are.
They were invented so the party would not make the mistake of nominating a fukin’
Loser!
And that’s the only hope we have otherwise it’s four years of McSame. How’s that ‘crashing the gates…’ thing workin’ for ya…
Markos?
Bowers?
Marshall?
You all better hope the SDs block Senator ‘Hopeless’. He gets to the GE and McSame crushes him there…
Your day is over.
Crashing the gate while intoxicated will get you a fine or community service in most states. Markos, Bowers, and Marshall should not drink and blog.
Best comment I’ve read all day… thanks for the laugh!
You need to add all Air America talkies and the whole crew over at MSNBC to your list.
As I posted on another thread, it would be so great if the “Unity Above All” people who occassionally show up here to beg us to back off Obama and stop giving the GOP ammunition to use against him would save their anger for Olbermann, Randi Rhodes, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz etc. who spend more time bashing Hillary these days than they do McCain. But of course they have no problem soaking up hour after hour of THAT kind of “disunity,” because it serves their candidate.
I can tell you that more than anything else, MSNBC, CNN and Air America’s treatment of Hillary has hardened me against Obama.
If I wasn’t being told on a day to day basis that a woman I’ve respected for two decades and who has devoted her life to progressive causes was a racist, corrupt political manipulator for the benefit of Senator Obama’s candidacy, maybe I’d be more open to this whole “unity” thing.
I think you forgot to mention that she is a woman who is a fabulous US Senator unlike someone else we know.
Your comment reminded me of all those news stories dedicated to seeing if she was really taking this Senator stuff seriously. Or just biding her time until she could run for President (like Obama really did…).
I remember footage of her sitting there focused on the subject at hand. She had less make-up, hair was flat, and with unflattering angles looking tired at times.
They hounded her for weeks, so there were a lot of those less make-up, tired shots.
However, I don’t remember THAT type of attention paid to what the rock star young Senator from the Convention was doing, day in and day out. I even paid attention due to being impressed with his Convention speech. Of course, all we got were the interviews of him explaining why he was towing the line and being a coward on the war he ‘opposed’.
So now, months later, long after he is running for Pres, we finally get to hear in the NYT, Sen Specter discussing Obama’s real work ethic, breezing into commitees and asking questions about already settled issues to make it look like he did something. To the point that even the ever generous Sen Kennedy had to tell him to cool it. Then there are the other reports of him in Illinois and Wash DC taking credit for people’s work. Or stepping in front of the mic at press conferences to stuff his name into the credits…yuck.
He is completely uninspiring compared to the hard work and dedication that Hillary had put in. Despite the news trying to catch her being lazy, all they could manage was a lookism report because she was doing the hard work. And Obama they gave him the soft touch, even then. Obama is Dubya-2, in so many ways it is disturbing.
Thanks for reminding me of the difference in coverage of their first months in office.
Well, tiffany, we can at least give them credit for getting 60-40 right; it’s unfortunate that McCain is the beneficiary.
I just heard John Zogby say there is talk among party officials to have Gore step in as the candidate with Richardson, Edwards, Obama assigning their delegates to Gore. Obama would be the running mate and Hillary would be the majority leader. Anybody else know of this talk?
I had heard Gore was staying out of this in case they needed him to keep the party together and in.
Why would they need to bring in Gore, Clinton is doing very well.
She appears to be the most viable candidate.
It would appear the greatest problems, AFAIK, are with the Obamas, Kerrys and Deans, not the Clinton wing of the party.
Is this correct?
Why would Gore want to do this? Is he also part of the “ABC” (anything but Clinton) stupidity
of the DNC ??
If true this is utmost troubling….
Is there a greater push to get rid of people like Dean, Kerry, and Pelosi?
They would have run Obama, still might, even with his baggage, and they have shown no recognition of the greater republican game plan.
They are the reason Democrats lose elections.
And they look a little loopy, don’t they?
Totally simon !
IMO, it looks like they WANT to lose this election. No one in their right mind, at this point in the election, would be supporting Mr. Hope if they REALLY wanted to win in Novemebr. I’m starting to think that’s the plan. They want to lose. They’d rather lose the election than have Hillary to answer to. They HATE the Clintons. Always have. They’re outsiders from that state Arkansas. They’re not worthy in the eyes of the DC elites. Just ask Ted and Kerry.
Dare I say it? The DNC’s “Plantation Mentality”?
Loopy = stark raving lunatics or in Kerry’s case appears to be a person on opiates AND alcohol. If he fell out of the chair in that video while he was babbling and kept on babbling incoherently while he was laying on the floor or burst into uncontrollable giggling, it would not have surprised me!
I want to cry. This is a disaster of momentous proportions. I already called Sen. Salazar and Gov. Ritter to let me views be known on this issue. They are both uncommitted SDs.
I wanna cry.
“Obama will carry the blue state once he’s the nominee.”
It’s an urban myth…!!!
Any idea how this is playing at daily obama?
I’ve always thought that if Obama were the nominee California, Florida, MI, Ohio, a couple of the waffler states and maybe even New York would be in play for McCain. I’ve always thought it would be a tough row to hoe for Obama even before his campaign imploded. Now that he has exposed himself to be a fraud and a blithering idiot he’s most certainly lost the disaffected republicans (I never thought they actually would vote for him in the fall), as well as the centrist independents and democrats with his anti-american throw grandma under a bus crap.
The question is will the Superdelegates listen to the people or the TeeVee talking heads. All the new and younger voters that they had hoped to attract…
All of this stuff has brought me back to where I was at the beginning of Obama’s campaign when he had the Gospel Tour throughout the black churches featuring ex-gay, anti-gay zealot Donnie McClurkin. I wondered at the time who he was willing to throw off the bus to get elected. It looks as though it could be everybody except himself, Michelle and their 2 daughters.
If I were the daughters I wouldn’t be on it.
Vote for Hillary at the CNN poll.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/larry.king.live/
Larry King will read the results with Obama as the guest tonight. Sure would be sweet to have him read off a win for Hillary.
Hey there is a link on the other side of the page to send Larry questions to ask Obama also. Let’s ask some tough ones, maybe Larry will have the chutzpah to ask one…
Right now at 4:11 PT Obama has 51% and Hillary has 49% (2831 Vs 2717.
Come on folks, we need another 115. I tried voting twice but the site won’t allow it. Call every one you know in the next 2 hours. And if you haven’t voted yet - VOTE !!!!!!
Voted already… One possibility is to use a different computer
Video of Obama with Larry King available at
http://thepage.time.com/obama-on-cnns-larry-king-live/
(a portion of it).
He continues to say Clinton is using the
“kitchen sink strategy” ????!!!! WTH@!#@$#@!*
Hillary didn’t open her mouth about OBAMA”S WRIGHT PROBLEM: he did all of that HIMSELF.
She has been only talking about issues: how is that Mr Obama? WTH are you talking about????
What a nerve….
The Vote on Larry King CNN is even at 50% (Hillary was up 30 min. ago)
Obama has likely been assured by (Chicago) Mayor Daley and Tony Rezko’s other best friend, (Illinois) Governor Rod Blagojevich, that the Illinois votes needed to win in this State are already in the code of the voting machines, just waiting for November 4th, so long as he can keep U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald off his butt until after that time.
the big tell was the Hispanic votes from Nevada primary onward.
the BO campaign foistered Ted Kennedy on the community.
i know the Robert Kennedy connection but i still cannot figure out the connection of Teddy to the Latinos.
HRC have Antonio Villaraigosa and Dolores Huerta to campaign for her. Results are the proof.
Democrats facing electoral disaster if BO is the nominee.
…….
Matthew Dowd, a top strategist in President Bush’s re-election campaign, said the 2008 Republican ticket will need 40 percent of the Hispanic vote nationally to win the presidency. Reaching that target will be “tough,” he added, because of “the perception that’s built up over the last couple of years that Republicans are anti-Hispanic.”
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.hispanics24feb24,0,5030357.story
Hm.
Maybe the American people should hire a consultant to help them beat the other big named consultants shilling for politicians, treating them as so much bothersome chattel.
Perhaps we could then elect a leader who acts for the public good, as opposed to another corrupt corporate lackey.
Obama will not win the Latino vote. Period. McCain is way too popular and Obama is exceptionally vulnerable to scrutiny, which will definitely–finally!–happen during the GE.
Two stories from the Times of London Online today March 20, 2008 worth your while:
(1) “Polls show Barack Obama damaged by link to Reverend Jeremiah Wright ”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3591359.ece
(2) “Ten must-see Jeremiah Wright videos”
Here’s a selection of the top ten must-see videos on the Reverend Wright controversy currently
circulating on the web. From the soundbites that triggered the current dispute to Wright’s more
glorious moments, with some surprising reactions too (ever expect to hear Mike Huckabee
defending Obama’s pastor? Watch on).
http://timesonline.typepad.com/uselections/2008/03/ten-must-see-je.html
Obama needs to quickly get out of this race otherwise the Dems are done for. You can’t put a featherweight against McCain and think he will somehow get a miraculous knockout. Dems will be washed away.
I’ve heard my republican friends say that they will come out in full force if Obama is the nominee. Just what the Dems need.
It is not surprising. I lived in Boston for 16 years, then moved to Minneapolis 10 years ago. None of my dem/liberal friends in Boston voted for Obama.
One friend said last week: “We had the whole “Audacity of Hope” thing here in MA with Deval Patrik. Bunch of hogwash. Businessman turned political preacher turned governor. Still can’t get anything done……”.
Seems like many in MA do not buy the “Hope-Change-Just Words?” brand marketed by David Axelrod. They probably see Obama as another version of Deval Patrick.
I live in Massachusetts. As mentioned we currently have an Obama clone, another product of Axelrod, Deval Patrick as governor. Remember, the one Obama plagiarized?
Fortunately this week the legislature killed Patrick’s absurd plan to build 3 casinos in MA. Now Patrick has no way to come up with the revenue to follow through with the outrageous promises he made durring the campaign.
If you look at a map of how the cities and towns voted, Obama only carried the very wealthy liberal communities, Boston, and the ultra liberal western MA Pioneer Valley towns. He didn’t carry any working class towns, including those making up the Boston suburbs.
Patrick has been an enormous failure, not just with his casino bill. If you look at how much of the state Clinton carried and combine that with Obama clone Governor Patrick, the idea of McCain carrying the state isn’t so crazy after all.
I’ve will support the Democratic nominee in the fall no matter who it is, but I am finding the Obamanite reactions to the latest fallout and its media coverage more than hilarious. A lot of complaints about how unfair they’re being to Barack in questioning if the Wright fallout could derail his candidacy.
Are these people for real? Hillary has been buried three times now by the media. Every day is a endless attack on her person and campaign with nothing off limits. Obama supporters at Huffpo and Kos have stepped over the line with an irrational hatred of her that was once reserved for those dragging knuckles around at Free Republic.
This week, Barack supporters are getting a small, small taste of what Hillary has gone through for 15 years and counting and they’re whining like there is no tomorrow. Do they think the GOP will really agree to “hope” and “change” without a bloodbath first.
Ridiculous. Oh, and glad I was directed to this site from riverdaughter. I am glad to have finally found a place I won’t be stabbed or called a racist or worse for thinking the man I voted for in 2004 to be my Senator isn’t quite ready to be President les than three years later.
I respect that you will support whoever is the nominee but the democratic party needs some wholesale changes to the nomination process. If they go ahead with the Obama plan then I see no other choice than to slap the democratic party down for the fraud they perpetrated here. The only way they are going to get the message are by withholding donations to the party and by voting against their candidates. While I’d much rather see democrats in office they don’t seem to do much for us when they are in control. We could have had Universal Health Care way back in the early 90’s if democrats hadn’t have sabotaged Hillary on the issue. Now, we’ve got health care and health insurance costs that are untenable.
Somebody should grab Obama by his neck, sit him down, and tell him to drop out now!!!
And, he should NOT be a VP nominee because he will drag the ticket down.
Gore won’t get it with this mess…he’d be stupid if he did.
If Clinton gets the nomination, she should pick Clark.
At least if we lose, we will do so with some dignity and “I told you so” rights for the next time.
But I bet that ticket could whack McCain pretty well on domestic and foreign policy.
I would love Wes on the ticket, or at the very least, in the cabinet.
I definitely prefer Clark as VP. He’d make a great president plus his military and foreign policy credentials are very impressive. A Clinton/Clark ticket is our best chance to win against McCain.
us old folks remember the watergate-era “Don’t blame me — I’m from Massachusetts” bumper stickers. nixon won everything except DC and massachusetts in 1972. that’s how bad this is. we’re talking winning less than 50 electoral votes.
But, but, but…it was the greatest speech in the history of the WORLD . I read that in the Post and the Times and all over the intertubes and I’ll bet Olberman said so, too (I don’t watch him and more). Matthews cried, and Sullivan peed his pants. It was glorious.
Or so I heard. I watched a few minuted. I thought he looked phony and desperate. THe incredlble charisma seemed to be deflated. I was uninspired, but there’s something wrong with me. I’m probably just a typical white woman, and getting a little long in the tooth.
Gregoryp,
I see your point, but McCain in office is unbearable, if not a forgone conclusion already. I have to vote against him, and after I do, rip the DNC and our “leaders” in the party a new one regarding their failure.
[...] “A loss of cataclysmic and historical proportions is afoot!” [Update] [...]
I know this is a late posting …. I’m in Boston and without question from my vantage point Obama is going to lose the general election by historic epic proportions … WTF is going on with the Democratic party? First Kerry now this … are they insane? A death wish? Do the insiders secretly work for the GOP?
What deluded moron in their right mind truely believes Obama has even a remote chance of winning a general election especialy after all the racial stuff (black racism not white) and other highly questionable associations? How deluded and blind can one be?
Why is the Democratic party a slave (no pun intended) to racial issues and the race card? What’s the root of this obsession among the party true believers and white upper class liberal radical chic elite?
This is getting old real fast
Anyone notice before all the “Reforms” were instituted by the party, superior general election candidates came out of the nominating process vis a vis after so-called reforms?
“Super Delegates” LOL … who’re responsible for that one?
When the Bluest State isn’t polled heavily for the democrat it is a very bad omen. They recognize Deval Patrick’s speeches in Obama. Fool me once.
Dismal Failure, Patrick is. SO dismal, even Kennedy couldn’t carry Mass for Obama.
Over at mydd, where this was posted. the desperadoes are screeching that it doesn’t matter if BO loses Mass, Ohio, and PA, because he will win North Carolina and Virginia. HAHAHAHAHA
I say five states total, that’s all he takes. I’d bet money on it. Not quite as bad as McGovern, but not a hell of a lot better.