Dispelling The Obama Moose Poop About Super Delegates
By Uppity Woman on April 2, 2008 at 11:21 PM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, DNC, George McGovern, Superdelegates
What a stroke of luck!
I found a recent interview with George McGovern, the man who went down in history as one of the biggest Presidential election losers in history. George, you see, was loved, revered, worshipped by every child in America. He was like a Rock Star! Sound familiar?
Everyone who turned 18 that year couldn’t wait to vote for this man who was so progressive (for the time), they would have attached a bungie cord to him today just to make sure he didn’t fall off the left cliff. They worked their hearts out for George, yes they did! It was their source of entertainment for nearly a whole year! I was a little puppy at the time, and I simply was in LOVE with George. My parents on the other hand weren’t so impressed with the rallies and the behaviors of busloads of rowdy kids. Now does it sound familiar?
There was one little problem with this though. The mainstream, as in the majority of Democrats, disagreed with him and their young dependents. These were people like, you know, people who worked for a living, paid taxes, and boring stuff like that. So in practice, McGovern was the man who was ultimately the inspiration for Super Delegates. I’m sure you can now see where this is going.
So now it is time for everyone to understand the true purpose of Super Delegates. Mostly their job is to avoid another George McGovern train wreck. Does this at least sound familiar now? Just asking.
The idea here was to make sure that, as a minimum, people who are barely housebroken and who are rather …um…scant on life experience (not to mention scant in the taxpaying department) and judgment/wisdom didn’t pick any more presidential candidates all by their little selves - at least not until their beards grew in completely and they had reached their adult height. The idea here was that it’s kind of nice really to allow people who know something besides which rappers are the coolest to help pick the most powerful person in the world.
The party leaders realized after McGovern that young people are very prone to razzle dazzle and idealism. Substance seems to escape them if the rock concert is a good one, like, you know? I mean, without a little wisdom in the mix, we could have a real inept dork or a Pied Piper con artist as a candidate, you know what I mean?
Now does this sound familiar?
How about this quote from an Obama fan to help you along:
“There’s just this amazing excitement that’s here,” she said. “When he was talking about hope, it actually almost made me cry. Like it really made sense, like, for the first, like, whoa … how important a time this is for us. It was really exciting.”
–20 year old at an Obama Religious Experience Rally.
Like Whoa….
Now you know why Super Delegates exist. Too bad they are all afraid of getting beaten up if they do their jobs.
Anyways, here’s a link to an interview with our main Presidential election loser of all time. selected zealously by our adoring American youth: George McGovern. I should go easier on him though. He was a lovable progressive curr, I’ll give him that. He was an all-right guy, just a little over the edge of the mainstream is all. His followers, though, were Like Whoa.
The kids adored George McGovern. His 18 year old delegates were hooting and hollering all over the convention floor, let me tell you. And George was Our- Man-Dammit-And-Don’t-You-Mess-With- Us! If they had the technology then you might have seen George’s face on this sacrilegious poster. Like Whoa.
Unfortunately, enough Democrats didn’t subscribe to Like Whoa enough to vote for George. Richard Nixon (sputter!) kicked George McGovern’s butt onto the next continent because, even next to Dick, he was out of touch with the mainstream. They felt his anti-war platform was too “radical” in the way it was handled. It scared them more than the war did. George deserves love just for that race though. Who among us could feel good about ourselves after losing to Richard Nixon? God, how awful. It must have been kind of like the thought of losing to John McCain. Like Whoa!
Here are some highlights from the interview that might ring a bit of a bell today:
GEORGE McGOVERN: No, the superdelegates were not part of the McGovern reforms, but they were a concession some years later to the party regulars who thought that certain people should automatically be delegates. If you were the governor of a state, if you were a United States senator, if you were the state chairperson, you should automatically be a delegate, up to a percentage of one-fourth of the total number of delegates. There always had to be three-fourths of the delegates going to the national convention who were elected according to our reform rules, but we made that one concession.
I think one of the things that produced it—we discovered in ’72, for example, that a nineteen-year-old McGovern young woman defeated Tip O’Neill in his home district of Cambridge, Massachusetts. Well, Tip O’Neill should have been at the Democratic National Convention. Averell Harriman, running in New York, was defeated by another young person, a McGovern delegate.
(Now does this all sound familiar?)
AMY GOODMAN: And what’s wrong with this?
GEORGE McGOVERN: Nothing wrong with it, but we thought maybe as a concession to age and wisdom and stature. and all of that business, that we should make a one-fourth concession. So we said one-fourth of the concession can be what we now call superdelegates
AMY GOODMAN: Some say perhaps the superdelegates were chosen in reaction to 1972, your bid, and Carter’s bid, as well, that maybe the establishment did not favor you and wanted more of a say, sort of like the House of Commons versus the House of Lords.
GEORGE McGOVERN: Not only some say that, that’s absolutely the truth. It was a reaction to what they thought were candidates picked by young people, antiwar people, crusaders, and that the people that work at politics 365 days out of the year, like a senator or a congressman or a governor, were not making it to the conventions. So I want to confess that I supported that concession. I thought it was something we could live with. And so far, it hasn’t done any damage.
So next time you hear Barack Obama or one of his swooning fans tell you that Super Delegates must go with the “popular vote” or the “delegates,” or whatever he is ahead with that suits him at the moment, please remind him that he is full of crap. Their job is to do their job. Overall I would say that, in this case, their job is to avoid Barack McGovern from being the next embarrassment for the Democratic Party on Election Day.
Originally posted at Hyper Educated Uppity Woman
Another comparison:
Nixon’s ratfuckers (Donald Segretti and Karl Rove, et al) helped sabotage the campaigns of Ed Muskie and Henry Jackson so that McGovern would be the nominee.
Nixon wanted to face McGovern because he thought he was the weakest candidate.
No offense meant to McGovern, who is a good decent man and a war hero. That was Nixon’s opinion.
That’s interesting. I should point out though that lovable George (and he WAS lovable) is older and wiser now. He supports Hillary Clinton.
That is wonderful stuff Uppity! Thanks!
Yes I did read that.
Uppity: you have a way with words. You touch our souls. Considering public office yourself?
Honestly?? I have Been There and Done That. I felt like I needed a shower every day of my life.
…in addition to the regular one that is…
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If I could stop laughing long enough, i’d post a comment. But, like woah … this is serious sh-t you’re talkin’ here.
Whoa!
Whoa!!! You bring back memories! I voted for McGovern too! Curious eh?!
Older and wiser and all that now!
Great article! Thanks.
McGovern was a veteran, Obama isn’t, there’s no comparison.
The media was in the tank for Nixon, who helped orcehstrate the ratfucker ops to keep the Democrats from cementing their support in flyover country.
Daley helped nothing back in that era either.
True enough about McGovern’s valor during WWII.
But the wild enthusiasm for Obama among the young is very similar. Well, except in this: The young of that era, at least many of them, had actually protested the war (repeatedly, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly), had actually risked their lives for civil rights, and taken stands for greater equality for women and many other breakthrough issues.
I’m not so sure about what this current young generation has done in large part. Their demonstrations against the Iraq War, for example, have been paltry in number AND in numbers. There is no comparison between the Vietnam War days and the current Iraq War days in terms of the involvement of young people in protesting and speaking out.
There are some, a few, who’ve risked themselves. My daughter is one who’s spoken out, countless times, and protested, and given thousands of hours of her time to help various causes .. she’s 25 … and she is for Hillary. In fact, she is a Hilary delegate to her county convention.
Yes it is true, it was a time of war demonstrations. But I think the similarity that puts people off is the pushiness, the brashness, the rudeness in some cases. That’s the similarity. Bus loads of Supporters showing up at caucuses for example, being rather forceful. The behavior is similar. VERY similar. You can actually see it on the internet as well. College kids are just like that sometimes. I was no saint myself. But it was part and parcel to the rejection of McGovern. I remember my parents shaking their heads and they weren’t exactly right wingers.
thanks for mentioning the difference. i was in college at the time and blissfully ignorant of how the real world works. i was shocked, shocked, when nixon beat my guy mcgovern like a drum. like today’s young people, i made the mistake of thinking everyone thought the way i did.
however, unlike today’s young people but like many of my generation, i did my share of working for causes greater than myself. i did less than some, more than others, but not nothing.
even in the current political battles, many are more into the game - posting usually obnoxious comments that basically amount to “we’re winning and you’re losing.” they post cut and paste stuff about the merits of their candidate, but often little that is really from the heart, just the propaganda they’ve been spoon fed. there is nothing in their writings to indicate any real intellectual thought process going on, no historical context, no philosophical context, nothing, just attack lines they’ve heard and repeat ad nauseum. and there is nothing to indicate a thought process that extends beyond the current battle, such as consideration of the potential effects of their tactics on the democratic process, the integrity of the fourth estate, or their own civil liberties in the future.
the whole thing worries me. what if some truly significant event requires selfless action, such as happened in wwII? will these kids step up to the plate or just blog about it and expect someone else to take care of it? (and if they think obama’s ready to lead us through some sort of crisis, they’re in for a very rude surprise.)
Another very important difference is a big one: the draft. Young people were very involved and were out in the streets simply because it was their lives on the line. Our brothers and friends and peers were being forced to fight that war, whether they believed in it or not. These young people aren’t being forced to make any hard choices.
And let’s not forget that George McGovern actually had some political experience behind him. He wasn’t a first-term senator who had been running for President practically the whole time he’d been in office.
And a LOT more of us had fought and died in Vietnam.
My cousin died in Vietnam, he was shot by a sniper, in the head.
I was still very little, but I remember my mother, and my aunts, grieving, crying, the first time I had seen my mother cry, and it was terrifying.
Then TAPS at the cemetery, along with the 21 gun salute, (they actually sent military personnel in those days) my Aunt receiving the folded flag, and the image, the brutality of my family’s grief was SEARED into my mind.
I suppose that’s why, in part, I’m so passionate about the otherwise voiceless having a place at the table. It’s too easy for big fat stupid rich men to feel superior, you know, those who lack talent, those who LUCK into their money, never earning it, those willing to send men to war so casually, for oil, when there are other ways, those with an Astroturfed IQ, those who project intelligence, but aren’t.
We are a country of laws, we are equal, no matter our net worth.
Aye… What was it we were called…?… hippies??
I really liked George McGovern. He was such a sigh of relief to those of us that opposed the war. He lost magnificently.
Yes if you are going to lose, it is best to do it “magnificently”. I like that Flea!
Like Whoa FF! - Lost Magnificiently - That is so true - McGovern has class unlike a certain arrogant idol today.
Thanks for saying “magnificently”. I was a bright eyed and bushy-tailed McGovern supporter who was astounded that he didn’t win. Why didn’t everyone see the vision that I saw?
All these years later I cringe at my own arrogance. Easier to see from a distance.
I have never offered “worshipful” support of any candidate since. I may like one, I may even think them possible of rising to greatness in office, but I always remember that they’re politicians.
Like whoa, damn maturity takes all the fun out of shit.
It was my first presidential vote when I pulled for McGovern. I was a young mom, my then husband was a member of the VietNam Veterans Against the War, we wore black armbands, we protested, we marched. McGovern lost.
It was a shock for me also. I couldn’t believe that the mean, ugly Richard Nixon had won. Likewise I have never worshiped any candidate since then.
Now as a 60 year old grandmother of five, I’m pretty certain that there is no “perfect” candidate because everyone’s idea of perfect is different. I’ve lived through enough to know that we are headed for a very difficult time in our country’s history. While I am hoping for a couple more decades on this earth, what I am really voting for in this election is the future for my family, for my grandchildren.
I read that the endorsement of Lee Hamilton yesterday was helpful to Obama in the area of foreign policy. If Hamilton’s conduct and conclusions on the 9/11 Commission are any indication (IMO) then he is pretty weak and of no value to anyone except in name.
The world is a far more dangerous place than when GBW was elected. It will take a pragmatic, intelligent person to put America upright again. If not, Hillary, I do not see it as Obama and I will fight to make sure he does not have the opportunity to take our country further into the cesspool we are currently in.
Sort of OT, but does anyone know the exact figure of how many new voters Obama has brought in?
Or Hillary? Yesterday I took a friend to change her party affiliation so she could vote for her.
BTW: Obama thinks he’s got the general election already figured out:
“The possibility of running a very large, very powerful, and very effective campaign to register voters is something the Obama campaign could pull off this summer.”
I hope the Obama Girl shows up this time.
Like wow — he thinks he call pull this off — when he’s pissed off the core democrats?
He thinks his little brats are going to do this for him? I don’t think so.
I also remember the McGovern campaign — and he was an honorable man and he still is.
I was voting against Nixon. At that point the Vets returning were telling us what was really happening in Vietnam and they didn’t want Nixon to win. The military (the grunts who did the fighting and the real work of the war) really didn’t like Nixon — and they knew that the officers were not being honest. My dad was career Navy and he retired when I was in college — so I was seeing several sides of the issue.
I’m watching BBCAmerica’s World News. Did you all know that there is a NATO Summit? I wonder if Barack knows.*
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* There’s that subchairmanship of European Affairs for the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations committee that Barack has never done anything about. That subcommittee oversees NATO.
(that’s part of that dreary grown-up stuff too, isn’t it.)
Whoa! Boring!
do you think obama knows what nato is? i’m pretty sure his supporters don’t.
NATO is dull, isn’t it?
(I’m kidding).
Poor NATO.
I was thinking, though, now that you mention it, at this meeting regarding the Ukraine joining NATO at the cost of Putin’s stern consternation ( no, I did not say Putin’s stern constipation, I said Putin’s stern consternation) Bush, whom most of us wouldn’t hire as an associate manager for a Burger King, is the chief US negotiator, no matter how many aids, and adjuncts tag along.
Period.
George Bush is representing the US in regard to future American world strategic position.
And now the same people who financed Bush want to give Obama the job, and see no problem, none at all. They’ll run it like Wall Street.
Obama has done nothing to show he possess any sort of skill, or literacy, at all, whatsoever, with the exception of appropriateng bribes, and kickbacks, dealing with men criminals like Rezko, and Auchi, and Wright, men who greased his way, Obama never doing an honest day’s work in his life.
Ever.
And according to a post on MyDD, Obama would STILL bomb, or invade Pakistan, without fully understanding the dynamics at work in the middle east.
As glorious as it would be to kick those terrorist asses,/snark, the ones Auchi supports by selling them arms, it’s a disaster in terms of the larger US global strategic position.
Bush and Cheney, being oh so wall street thick in the head, don’t get it.
And Obama doesn’t either.
It’s hard work.
That’s the sad part about otherwise intelligent Democrats forgetting about the lessons of history - and ignoring their preferred candidate’s past and recent personal circumstances. 20 years of association with Wright and a quarter century with Rezko - the Obamabots can’t will these to go away. And the GOP will ensure that the voters don’t! I dread McGovern Redux in November!
actually, obama is so repugnant to me that if we nominate him i am actually looking forward to mcgovern redux in november. a huge defeat for obama is the only way we can 1) ensure that obama is never president, and 2) take our party back from the disgusting so-called “leaders” who have ruined it.
When exactly are you leaving the party asshat?
such a lovely sentiment you have expressed. i bet you throw your grandmother under the bus.
btw, for those who haven’t seen it yet, you might want to read the disappeared article on this site - the obamabots have banned a gifted writer from mydd for expressing her views in a beautiful article that didn’t even attack obama - it just didn’t suit their meme. when the choice is fascists vs. repubs, i’ll take repubs, no matter what “a democrat” thinks about me.
when the choice is fascists vs. repubs, i’ll take repubs
Obviously that’s a false choice. You’re not getting your way so you’re throwing a tantrum and leaving the party. No organization can succeed if it is held hostage to that kind of immaturity. Hold your breath like a five year old if you want but let me tell you, you look like an idiot doing it.
this is why obamabots will never succeed in persuading others to share their views. bye, bye, asswipe - see, i dropped to your level, just for you.
No Obama BRAT not a tantrum - a well considered ADULT response - refusing to participate in the larger issue - Voting for Obama will seriously hurt our country, AMERICA - and many of us will not be part of injuring our country. Nor will you sub human cretins be able to bully us into doing so.
Country supercedes party any day - if you had any critical thinking skills you could figure that out.
Now leave TROLL - the adults would like to talk in peace!
My sentiments exactly! Can somebody please put these children in a civics class???
Concurr!
I am leaving the Democratic Party after 35 years of voting for and supporting Democrats and Democratic causes. I did not betray my party, they betrayed me.
This is not an easy decision. A huge part of my identity for most of my life has been as a Democrat. I just feel like Obama and his pleas to Republicans to take over the party are offensive. Right now, the leadership of this party is more interested in courting Independents and Republicans than respecting lifelong Democrats. Republicans will infect the party with thier hateful bile, and I want no part of it (I see it already). Many of these so-called “Big Boy Bloggers” who demand allegience to Obama, are Republicans who just became disenchanted with Bush. Republicans are the enemy. And they did not lose their trunks just because they put on a donkey suit for a day. I will never be a Republican, but I’ll be damned if I’ll allow a bunch of children and ex-republicans tell me what I think.
I am not obligated to the Democratic Party, they have an obligation to me to represent Democratic ideals that we have fought for for decades including counting every vote, and civil rights (and that includes WOMEN). To expect us to continue to support Democrats when they are calling us “Archie Bunkers” and encouraging racism and sexism is foolish. Too many party leaders has expressed disdain and outright harted for Hillary Clinton and her husband and painted these honorable people as racists in order to sell us a fake messiah.
So, it hurts, but I am no longer a Democrat. I was a county delegate for Hillary. Can’t go to the State Convention because my daughter graduates from high school that day. But, since I’m leaving the party, I don’t care anyway.
Already gone, asscap.
Good riddance.
Ah the finest of your family I see. The prose that leaks from your flaptrap is pure muse at its finest, for your family that is. How erudite your mother and father must be to produce such a prodigious spawn as you.
And what a shining beacon for the “hope” and “change” candidate who is going to bring an “end to the politics of destruction”.
I bet his parents wished they had had oral sex instead
..ducking and running..
If they don’t there are others that do…
I really should be sorry I said that.
Here’s an interesting link from savage politics.com
http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/
A group of women met with Murthat and several prominent female supporters and a woman blogged about it. Very encouraging.
Anybody know how many new voters Obama has registered?
You made my day!!! After the purging at Mydd I needed a big reality check.The dose of humor was a bonus!
I agree - Obamaniacs remind me of the Moonies. (oops am I seriously dating myself?? anybody even remember them?)
And yes- we are forgetting the lessons of history. I have been looking at Paine and Adams the last few days as a reminder that we must not fall to these party hacks. They have forgotten they were elected, that they are supposed to represent US and do what is right for our country.
Thanks for the great post!
Dating yourself? Maybe. I know I keep expecting Obamatrons to start showing up at airports in yellow robes and carrying flowers.
But not to worry about us “old” Democrats; seems that some of the youngins have decided that they don’t “need” or really “want” us old voters. They believe they will do just fine with all the young Obama supporters that will flock to vote for him in the GE. Good luck with that plan! Youth and enthusiasm are one thing, sheer raging stupidity is quite another.
Take heart. The seniors and the baby boomers are the largest voting block in this country–and they are reliable voters. They don’t miss a beat. Soon they will understand that the hard way if they don’t figure it out now. If Obama steals this nomination, and that is what he is trying to do by dodging Florida and Michigan recounts, Old Man McCain will benefit big time.
Some of my friend’s kids are Obama supporters but not their parents. These are what we call NIKEs around here. (No Income Kids With Education). I am shocked at how many of them move back home, sponge off their parents and use their own money to buy clothes and party, so that they might appear “upscale”. You’d be more upscale too if you didn’t have to buy food, pay taxes, heat a home, pay for your own cell phone, etc. etc. These are the same kids who are spending down their parents’ retirement money and will later be all for eliminating social security. If they didn’t have their cash-cow parents, they wouldn’t be sitting in Starbuck’s throwing 6 bucks at bitter coffee. Amazing really. Some of them are 30 and still sponging off their parents one way or another, even after they marry. Their parents did well and they aim to cash in on it.
Many college students I know would have time to cut class and caucus, while their parents, who are paying for their education, would be too busy working to make it to a scheduled caucus. This is why Obama did well in caucuses. The elderly can’t hang around caucus for hours. Nurses on the night shift can’t. Firefighters. Police officers. They all have shifts. Think single women with babies. How do they pull that off? Or disabled people. To Obama, they are just the underbelly of America, I guess. “Upscale” my a$$. I’m not poor and I resent being called “downscale”. But if I sponged off my parents to supplement my life for my own vanity, I not only wouldn’t be poor, but I would be VERY wealthy.
I definitely do not want these people picking my President.
I’m now one of those old McGovern admirers who now see the Obama supporters as flakes who don’t know enough shit to make the decisions that affect my life, the life of my children (one is an Obama supporter), and my grandchildren. As much as we see a comparison between McGovern and Obama, there are some material differences. I knew George McGovern. Obama is no George McGovern. Lets start with experience. First, George was a war veteran. Second he was on record against the war, not one speech crap. Finally, McGovern served in the U.S. House of Representatives and then the U.S. Senate, so he understood the inner workings of government.
A loss like McGovern suffered should give us pause because it took years for the Democratic party to recover. Though I’m not a supporter of Republican light, I recognize that the DLC served an important role in electing a Democrat after years of being wiped out by the Republicans. The superdelegates must be free to play their important role.
In fairness to McGovern, we should point out that he was a highly decorated WWII bomber pilot who managed (unlike the fatass McCain), to stay in the fight. He had no need to try to prove his manhood with further belligerence.
But yes, in certain ways there is a whiff of ‘72 in the air.
There is a diary on the recommended list at MyDD that uses the words, “Coming to Obama,” in the title. I wondered in the thread whether the Obamatants baptize by immersion or whether it’s simply enough to have water poured over their heads. (Ronkseattle observed they baptize with Kool-Aid.) The Obamatants were sufficiently outraged at my blasphemous comment to troll rate it.
Yes, I saw another site, its name escapes me, where they tell their stories of how they came to Obama. Amazing, isn’t it?
I resent this article. To repeat what others have posted, George McGovern has endorsed Hillary. He is a wonderful, honorable man, who won reelection in a conservative state, ND, because of his intelligence and compassion. The draft forced our generation to grow up fast. Our opposition to the war was more than theoretical; our classmates, brothers, fiancees, and friends were coming home in body bags.
There is no need to defame George McGovern. No one was going to beat Nixon that year. Someone in the Progressive magazine at the time quoted something to the effect that I’d rather vote for what I want and not get it, than vote for what I don’t want and get it.
There are worse things to be in this life than idealistic. Something I would not accuse Obabmabots of being.
George McGovern is a good man. Your post is totally uncalled for.
Peg:
With all due respect, I think that you have missed the point of this posting entirely, as I don’t see any real or inferred disrespect of Senator McGovern.
Thanks for the help, Rob, but I suspect it’s hopeless. She must be a blast at parties.
Yes I know he endorsed Hillary. It is mentioned in the on my blog. The last line just didn’t make it here in time.
I never said George McGovern is not a wonderful man. Please show me where I said that and I shall correct it immediately. In fact, I believe I went out of my way to mention it. That was never the point of the article and I think that is quite clear. The point of the article is how superdelegates came to exist, and it not only was because of his race, but he says so himself in the interview. So obviously, it’s not only not a secret, but she shows hindsight about it. George McGovern would have done a lot better in that race if not for his rabid supporters on the streets, in caucuses and pretty much everywhere on TV. It’s not that people did not like George McGovern. It’s because they attached him to his scarey supporters. Does this ring a bell at all?
In the end, McGovern lost in what was reported as a lanslide, nearly 25% I believe. Today, the purpose of the superdelegate has never been more confirmed. Barack Obama is George McGovern on sterioids.
You post is totally uncalled for.
Also I might point out that my very first post here mentions that McGovern endorsed Hillary.
I was alive and lucid at the time of McGovern/Nixon. I remember well what people were saying. People hated the war, but many hated the war in the streets just as much.
Great post, Uppity. This really puts the whole subject into focus.
I remember my friend’s father shook hands with Nixon while he was campaigning in the area. She smugly informed me that he was going to be the next president of the United States and her father touched him, don’t you know. I knew what my Democratic parents discussed at home, but I was polite anyway. That’s my entire recollection of that election: I got mad at my friend for being a little Republican. HA! We ended up teaching in the same school district and now she is a staunch Democrat and I’ve learned how to open my mouth.
I especially enjoyed the exerpts of Amy Goodman interviewing McGovern. With all the excitement these days with the primaries, I’ve neglected to visit DemocracyNow.org much, but you’ve remimded me how much I love that show.
I think that the correct concept of superdelegates is finally getting out there, thanks to posts like this.
Agreed… but but hopefully it is getting out to the superdelegates themselves!
Yes, I was one of those enthusiastic young voters for McGovern, and I witnessed his devastation in the election, and I have told many Obama supporters about it, and even predicted that they, too, could be a party to history–just as I was!
They weren’t there, so of course, they cannot even conceive of such a thing happening. Even as the signs are all around them.
It’s like, Whoa, Dude!
And, they loathe and despise Hillary Clinton for invoking superdelegates, even as they ignore the fact that Obama is going to need the very same superdelegates because he can’t win the nomination without them either!
1972 was my third presidential election. By that time, I had moved to this Red State and knew my vote was irrelevant, so a vote for McGovern was easy. Had the state been purple, as it is now, I don’t know how I would have voted. Maybe as in I did 1980, when I cast my only non-Democratic presidential vote ever for John B. Anderson and his 50 cent gas tax.
“the man who went down in history as one of the biggest Presidential election losers in history” (The democratic candidate who lost by the largest margin in history.)
“they would have attached a bungie cord to him today just to make sure he didn’t fall off the left cliff.” (A 3-term senator from SOUTH DAKOTA?)
“It was their source of entertainment for nearly a whole year!” (I expect statements like this from an Obama supporter.)
“people who worked for a living, paid taxes, and boring stuff like that.” (or who were working their way through college)
“Barack McGovern” (THAT, my friend, is an insult George McGovern doesn’t deserve.)
I’m as angry as you are; but the tone of your piece is best saved for pro-Obama threads.
I stand by my post.
….and every word of it the truth….just like today.
Read much satire, do you? It does take a sense of humor. I didn’t think so. You probably won’t like any of my pieces.
…shrug.
Don’t worry about it Uppity. When someone is determinded to be offended there isn’t much you can do about it.
You brought back a faded memory of me being 13 years old and putting a McGovern bumper sticker up in my room because all the cool rock stars and Warren Beatty thought he was wonderful. My parents just rolled their eyes. It kind of put the whole Obama phenomenon in perspective for me in a personal way.
Thank God I grew up.
Yeah but if you kept the sticker, you could do well on Ebay. But don’t feel to badly. Hell I threw out
1)Woodstock tickets
2)Tickets to an Elvis concert he never made it to.
Someone posted that there are worst things then being young and idealistic. LOL, no, I’m going to totally dispute that. I have four kids, being idealistic is what causes them to come home and use my washing machine, raid my refridgerator, and borrow money because they can’t pay the electric bill. Idealism only works if you have a safety net to bail you out. It’s a luxury the young can indulge in because they have older people looking out for them. Older people who understand that “cynicism is a sad kind of wisdom”. But it’s wisdom none the less and it gets things done.
Hope doesn’t pay the power bill, it doesn’t put food on the table, and it doesn’t keep a roof over your head. Change is not a political ideology, it’s a word.
OMG! You are all my friends!
No. Mom and Dad do that. Forever, preferably.
In one of my best friends family, Mom and Dad are the eternal Piggy Bank. One that always makes loans, without expecting them to be paid back and accepts insults about their lifestyle, wardrobe, favorite authors, television programs and choice of motor vehicle. Their, denigrated house, is expected to be the hotel that never closes and accepts guests 24/7 without benefit of payment.
And yes, their 27 year old son is an Obama supporter and insults them on a daily basis for supporting Hillary Clinton.
Were Junior my son he would be sitting on his well-padded ass on the sidewalk in front of my house surrounded by his belongings and with all invitations except dinner on Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter revoked. And said invitations include the caveat that unless he acts in a civil manner he will be given a doggy bag and shown the door.
Obamabrats are in many cases the punishment meted out to their parents and all the rest of us for the failure of said parents to ever make offspring grow up. I would be ashamed to be the parents of a 27 year old teenager.
I don’t tell my kids or grandkids who to vote for; although I am guilty of nagging them about voting. And they know better than to make any attempt to influence my vote.
For some strange reason, I feel compelled to change my screen name to Chevron’s Hope.
But I’d never do that, I would never be disingenuous with others.
Boy, those Wall Street guys are STUPID.
lol.
Like, whoa! Hilarious.
I am cringing as I remember how clueless I was in college. I truly thought I knew EVERYTHING. Very much like the Obamans are now.
I have grown up enough to realize that the perfect is the enemy of the good, and that no politician is perfect. However, some have proven themselves to be devoted to progressive causes, and some have not.
Hillary is devoted to the things I care about, and that’s why she’s gotten my money and my vote. As for Barack, he hasn’t proven anything, and the more I know about him, the less I like.
I wish the Obamans would have the good sense to evaluate their candidate carefully before giving in to the hero worship, but that Koolaid must be some very strong stuff…
Really well done uppity woman. Superb!
Great comments by all. You really made my day.
Whoa…