NAFTA Again? Goolsbee Again? Is Obama Smokin’ Again (or all along)?
By PsychoDrew on April 3, 2008 at 8:43 PM in Austan Goolsbee, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, NAFTA
Susan’s Update: ABC News’s Jake Tapper, in today’s post, “Obama is Smokin’” — uh huh, there are suspicions — concludes with this:
I don’t like feeling that I wasn’t being dealt with honestly [about if he's smoking or not]. …
This isn’t the only time I’ve felt that way about the Obama campaign, of course — its response to the Austan Goolsbee controversy was a profile in dissembling. (Not that Sens. Hillary Clinton and John McCain or their campaigns are entirely innocent in this area either. Or even that Obama is necessarily the worst offender.)
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Now, the floor is PsychoDrew’s: Amid more false attacks from the Obama campaign on NAFTA, the Clinton campaign called on Senator Obama to allow the campaign official privately directing Obama’s NAFTA policy take a more public role:
“The Obama campaign ought to have Austan Goolsbee on their call today [April 2],” Clinton Campaign Spokesperson Jay Carson said. “While Senator Obama was telling voters he would fix NAFTA, his chief economics advisor was telling Canadians that his position was just words. Instead of making false attacks on Hillary Clinton’s character, the Obama campaign should finally explain why it continues to mislead voters about Mr. Goolsbee’s meeting with the Canadian government.” [No reports indicate that Mr. Goolsbee joined in on the call.]
The audacity of hype is hitting a fever pitch in the Obama camp with another Obama surrogate accusing Hillary Clinton of re-writing history.
“I find it disturbing (she) would rewrite history at this point,” said California Rep. George Miller, an Obama supporter who voted in Congress against NAFTA in 1993.
If she was such a strong opponent of it, and spoke out so often about it, why did she never speak to those of us who were principals in that ._._. I don’t know who these audiences are that she refers to, but they weren’t members of Congress.
A careful analysis of the public record does not indicate that, as First Lady, Hillary Clinton ever gave a public speech denouncing NAFTA and calling on her husband to scrap the plan or even held meetings to mobilize forces to bring the trade pact down. Would such an action have prevented NAFTA from being passed by Congress? Perhaps. But it also would have created an image of a dysfunctional White House, providing further ammunition to the GOP in the 1994 midterm elections and the 1996 general election.
Can you imagine the America we’d have if Bob Dole had been elected in 1996?
There never would have been a surplus for George Bush to squander. Kosovo would not have declared independence last month, because Bob Dole would have sat on his hands and watched as Serbian forces carried out a genocide on the Kosovar Albanians.
What is really maddening about Obama’s attack is that he has asked us to accept a similar explanation for his own seemingly contradictory behavior. How many times have we heard about this famous speech in 2002 opposing the war? And we have all read his comments to the NY Times at the Democratic National Convention in 2004:
”But, I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports,” Mr. Obama said. ”What would I have done? I don’t know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.”
But have you ever heard his explanation for this contradiction? When CNN’s Candy Crowley asked Obama about why he wavered in his opposition to the resolution in that interview, he said that it would not have been appropriate to criticize the Democratic nominees on the eve of the convention:
“The only time when I said I’m not sure what I would do if I were in the Senate was right before the Democratic convention, when we had two nominees that obviously I did not want to be criticizing right before they got up and received the nomination,” he said.
“But you didn’t mean it?” Crowley asked.
“So — well, no. What I’m suggesting is, everybody had difficult choices to make. And I — and these were difficult choices. I made the right choice.” Obama replied.
So the right choice was to shut up and stand behind the leaders of the party? And now he criticizes Hillary Clinton for having done the same thing when her husband was president!? Why is he peddling such a blatantly hypocritical attack right now? Well, the Leader-Post has a theory:
Aiming to undo political damage the Illinois senator himself has suffered because of the “NAFTA-gate” controversy with Canada, Obama’s campaign said Clinton’s White House records “completely contradict” the New York senator’s assertions she was a frequent and forceful critic of the deal her husband signed with the Canadian and Mexican governments.
But Obama lost Ohio’s Democratic primary on March 4 to Clinton after reports his senior economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, told Canada’s consul general in Chicago that the Illinois senator’s tough talk on NAFTA was just campaign rhetoric. The controversy is thought to have contributed to Obama’s loss in Ohio, and Clinton has used it to hammer Obama among voters in Pennsylvania.
While Senator Obama avoids giving “straight answers to tough questions” by making false attacks against Senator Clinton, the one million workers who lost their jobs because of NAFTA are waiting for Senator Obama to decide which of the five explanations he’s provided for Goolsbee’s meeting with Canadian officials is true:
5. 3/10/08 - Sen. Obama: The meeting did happen, they did discuss NAFTA, but advisor just said Obama wanted to make NAFTA ’stronger for U.S. workers.’ “So here’s what happens. You’ve got one of my economic advisors goes and visits a Canadian embassy and they’re asking him questions and he says, ‘Well, Senator Obama isn’t planning to repeal NAFTA, but he wants to amend it to make it stronger for U.S. workers.’ The Canadian embassy writes it up as, ‘Well, maybe Obama is not as tough on NAFTA as you might think.’ And the Clintons start waving this and saying, ‘See? Actually, he’s the one.’” [Mississippi Rally, 3/10/08]
4. 2/29/08: Sen. Obama: ‘It did not happen.’ Anchor: “So, completely inaccurate, did not happen, end of discussion.” Sen. Obama: “It did not happen.” [WKYC TV, 2/29/08]
3. 2/28/08 - Rice: ‘There had been no contact.’ “The Canadian ambassador issued a statement that was absolutely false. There had been no contact. There had been no discussions on NAFTA. So we take the Canadians at their word…period.” [MSNBC, Susan Rice, 2/28/08]
2. 2/27/08 - Obama advisor just said ‘hello.’ “Goolsbee: Canada’s consul general in Chicago contacted him ‘at one point to say ‘hello’ because their office is around the corner.” [ABC, 2/29/08]
1. 2/27/08 - ‘No conversations have taken place’ with the Canadian government on NAFTA. “Earlier Thursday, the Obama campaign insisted that no conversations have taken place with any of its senior ranks and representatives of the Canadian government on the NAFTA issue.” [CTV, 2/29/08]
Oh, the audacity!













A little OT, but interesting, nonetheless…anti-Obama site mysteriously down for 2 hours: Site Down - Under Attack?
There was a chunk of the post missing — part of it got deleted when it was transferred from Drew’s Facebook page to an HTML version mailed to me — but it’s all there now. I’m not all there, but the post is.
I’m sorry. But I just do not like Obama.
I just do NOT LIKE Obama. And I won’t vote for him. (I have other, more rational reasons…but is it OK just to not LIKE someone?)
Guess what, people like Axelrod don’t let guys like Obama go out there making these sorts of remarks without a reason behind it!
This is an old fashion avoid the heart of the matter style of campaigning, to derail from taking a look deeper into the candidate, in other words to hide something by confusion, bamboozling!
What better way to confuse than to say yes on one day and no the next day..he admitted it (whatever it is) because he said yes; no, no, he denied it because he said no.. Oh, Well, whatever…
I’m still waiting for Hardball to dedicate an entire show to his changing stories on NAFTA like they did with Hillary and Bosnia. Hillary has admitted that she stuck her foot in her mouth with the Bosnia thing and she is still getting killed in the media. Obama doesn’t have to answer for his mistakes.
I’m still waiting for Hardball to dedicate an entire show to his changing stories on NAFTA like they did with Hillary and Bosnia.
I’m curious, how consistent do you think Hillary’s various positions on NAFTA are?
As I stated above,
She says now that she is not pleased with the deal and wants to make changes to it. I am satisfied with her position on this.
I said this a few days ago in a piece about Obama and how he is trying to deny his more liberal stances in the past:
I think that we need leaders who look at the landscape and say that something isn’t working, we need to make a change. I don’t have a problem with that at all. I have a very big problem with somebody saying one thing to blue-collar workers that are suffering, suffering, in this economy and then sending advisors to tell foreign leaders that he just blowing smoke up their asses. I grew up in blue-collar America, the son of a steelworker and a teacher. These are more people. I bleed blue. Politicians–including many Democrats–have been lying to them for and getting their hopes up for too damn long. If Obama is happy with NAFTA, he needs to come out and say it.
COHA
“Certainly, there was no question that at the time it was first proposed, NAFTA was at the center of the Clinton White House’s Latin America trade policy.
But, reminiscent of her trip to Kosovo, candidate Clinton has a different memory of what had happened with NAFTA—embarrassingly so. Her flawed memory—as given to Bloomsberg news service—that it was George H. W. Bush who introduced NAFTA and that her husband merely ushered the legislation through congress. While in an interview with Time Magazine, she maintains that “NAFTA was inherited by the Clinton administration.” She does acknowledge in her Bloomsberg interview that NAFTA was “pushed through Congress by the Clinton administration,” as reported by the San Francisco Chronicle. However, be it at Davos or in other settings, candidate Clinton made it clear that she had no problem with NAFTA. Meanwhile, rather than merely “inheriting” the proposed NAFTA legislation from the first Bush, Bill Clinton, in fact tirelessly, if not fiercely advocated NAFTA, making it the trophy piece of his legislative calendar. He frantically worked the phone to the Hill even though he was unable to win a majority of Democratic legislators (102-156) to back this essentially Republican-inspired piece of legislation. No wonder that the victory of NAFTA at the end of 1993 brought more corporate jets parking at National Airport than at any other time in the history of that Washington facility.”
Actually when first developed NAFTA made alot of sense as a response to the emerging economic power house called the European Union. It was originated in the GHW Bush administration and was bi-partisan legislation. Like any legislation it should be periodically reviewed as to effectivness and when necessary amended or discarded if it doesn’t work as intended or times change. Job losses were expected to be neglible when compared to job increase as new markets and new idustries opened up. Truth is Fox in Mexico let everyone down and there have always been problems negotiating with Canada among other problems. The idea was good but the execution was flawed. No-one can predict all the factors and NAFTA needs to be addressed. Clinton is willing to address the problems. What’s wrong with that ?
The Bosnia feeding frenzy reminds me of the media frenzy over Clinton’s immigration answer in the October debates. The media went on and on about her terrible performance in order to push her down before Iowa. Now that Pennsylvania is coming up, they really need to push her down.
It is infuriating that Obama is never faulted for his many mis-truths with a media assault like Clinton gets. Of course, that is understandable since he is the one the liberal media wants in office. It is up to the voters to see through this smokescreen. I hope they can.
If you also remember, there was not a similar feeding frenzy when Obama stumbled over the same question two weeks later.
I have to confess, I am a product of the media. I don’t recall Obama’s stumble over the same question.
The other historical scenario that comes to mind is the propaganda war against Gore over his alleged “I invented the internet.” claim. I think the media is framing Bosnia with the same intent, to brainwash the public into thinking Clinton is a liar and an exaggerator and discount everything she says.
I’m going to look for it. I blogged on it somewhere.
I don’t doubt what you said. I was just commenting on the fact of how malleable I am by the media. If the media doesn’t make a big deal of something, it doesn’t register in my brain. Very Orwellian.
This is why libraries are so useful. I know it’s old fashioned and not very hip, but really a good practice that I developed whilst cutting my political teeth during watergate. It’s also when I discovered much to my delight the over seas media. This was whn the American Press was in it’s hay day, and truly responsible about information and it’s proper transmission to the public. Now I sound like my disgruntled grandma… Oh hell I guesse becoming an old fart can hit anyone at any age even before my middle age is over. Healthy scepticism is the route to enlightenment consult Socrates in case of Obamedia overload.
David Gergen was a Republican advisor to the Clinton White House and was deeply involved in the creation of NAFTA. He is not shy about critizing the Clintons yet he supports Hillary’s contention that she was not a big NAFTA proponent. He said she raised a lot of questions about it, but as First Lady appropriately kept her objections private.
Found it here. This is the transcript of the Las Vegas Debate in November, the debate where Edwards and Obama got booed for their attacks on Hillary.
Very sad to see it documented so well. Thanks.
yes, getting distracted by a problem does make it hard to solve it. huh????
how can people buy the load of bull this guy is selling?
They trust the media is telling them the truth.
They aren’t.
It’s a bunch of thick, mediocre Wall Street types selling the public junk, a subprime loan package, in the form of Obama.
Obama is subprime paper, all the way, sold by the junk brokers, our main stream media, and their PR firm adjuncts, Greenberg-Trauring…
I heard Hillary’s big gaffe on drivers’ licenses discussed WEEKS after Obama’s screw up - with no mention of his bumbling on the same question AFTER he had had two weeks to come up with an answer.
Hillary’s mistakes are headlines. Obama’s mistakes are footnotes.
But the media’s not biased or anything.
Is there any evidence of big media corporations that have private owners being Obamessiah campaign contributors ? Just wondering.
He did stumble over it but the media never made a big issue of it — I think it was Las Vegas debate.. Here search this site
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_presidential_debates,_2008
BTW, Psychodrew, that wiki link has all the debate videos.
Thank you much! I’ll check it out. I live in China, so I have to rely on internet clips and transcripts.
Drew, where abouts in China? I travel there frequently.
I live in Shanghai.
Psychodrew; Use proxies ?
I use HTTP Tunnel and Anonymouse.
vote for Hillary
(http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1725112_1723512_1723932,00.html)
Did. and don’t forget to vote 1 for Obama.
ot……a little Rezko info you all might like…a little pot brewing.
http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2008/04/rezko-its-getting-closer-to-obama.html
enjoy.
It’s always been my impression Obama became a politician simply to enjoy the fruits of the combine.
Disgusting.
The PR shills surrounding Obama simply cannot rationalize the crimes this man is party to, IMO, particularly given his connections to Rezko, Auchi, and Wright.
At a certain point it is no longer about money, the game, such as it is, but national security.
Do they think they walk?
They’re all Stuart Levine.
One day you wake up, and there’s no going back.
Back In The News
http://cabdrollery.blogspot.com/2008/03/back-in-news.html
I just remembered this week that Obama comes from the home of “Straussian theory”.
Strauss contended that only great thinkers are able to face the deepest problems. And it as great thinkers their judgement concerning the best path to the future for us dummies is obviously superior to all others. And so, if “the great thinker” has to lie to get the people to follow him, well that is just what he needs to do.
Leo Strauss (September 20, 1899 – October 18, 1973), Professor at the University of Chicago, where he taught several generations of students and published fifteen books.
One (of many) problem(s) with this theory is that anybody who bestows upon himself (or herself) the title of “great thinker” is almost always wrong.
“…decide which of the five explanations…”
This is a frequent flyer theme in Obama’s campaign.
His book ‘Audacity of Hope’ says in the prologue:
“Undoubtedly, some of these views [both progressive views and views critical of the Democratic Party] will get me in trouble. I am new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views. As such, I am bound to disappoint some, if not all of them. Which perhaps indicates a second, more intimate theme to this book–namely, how I, or anybody in public office, can avoid the pitfalls of fame, the hunger to please, the fear of loss, and thereby retain that kernel of truth, that singular voice within each of us that reminds us of our deepest commitments.”
In spite of this platitude, his campaign seems to generally take the approach of leveraging the blank screen effect by pandering to everyone, and thereby having a strong stance on nothing. Maybe his audacity is the choice to pander to every particular singular voice within everyone.
It reminds me of the line that licensed contractors sometimes use about the local handyman; ‘jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none’.
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