Comments on: The Latest on Randi Rhodes (and the Obama connection) [Updated] http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/ Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:08:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: chris http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-182090 chris Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:26:45 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-182090 <em>"In order for sexism– and racism for that matter– to work, it has to be perpetrated by a member of a group in a position to enforce the epithet– in other words, in a white-male-dominated society, you kind of have to be a white male for the accusation to stick. Female-on-female sexism? Sorry, I just can’t get my head around it."</em> Then you don't understand self-perpetuation either. And if you claim to understand anything about racism, thus sexism, then you certainly would have been educated in self-perpetuation. Keep up with the conversation in the black community regarding self-perpetuation of racism, and you'll have a half a chance at understanding how the same holds true about sexism when women attack women. I have watched women tell my wife to be a good housewife and serve me well and be all that I need her to be. This is self-perpetuation. I have watched women other than randi rhodes calling other women "skank hos', "bitches" and "whores". This is self-perpetuation. I have watched women in power not give power to other women because they were women and would give that authority to men. This is self-perpetuation. I hate the term self-hating because it misses the point. Better to assess the reality that it perpetuates the power trip. If you can't see how this is happening then I'd caution you about lecturing anyone on the topic. And the excuse that Randi Rhodes meant "whore" in a way that meant 'compromised your integrity for gain'...then i'll introduce you to some white folks who excuse their racism by telling you there are blacks then there are 'niggers'. This is a con game for the intellectually stunted and the morally corrupt. Perhaps there comes a time when you have to just decide you don't get to call people such a word that has been used to beat down people. “In order for sexism– and racism for that matter– to work, it has to be perpetrated by a member of a group in a position to enforce the epithet– in other words, in a white-male-dominated society, you kind of have to be a white male for the accusation to stick.

Female-on-female sexism? Sorry, I just can’t get my head around it.”

Then you don’t understand self-perpetuation either. And if you claim to understand anything about racism, thus sexism, then you certainly would have been educated in self-perpetuation.

Keep up with the conversation in the black community regarding self-perpetuation of racism, and you’ll have a half a chance at understanding how the same holds true about sexism when women attack women.

I have watched women tell my wife to be a good housewife and serve me well and be all that I need her to be. This is self-perpetuation.

I have watched women other than randi rhodes calling other women “skank hos’, “bitches” and “whores”. This is self-perpetuation.

I have watched women in power not give power to other women because they were women and would give that authority to men. This is self-perpetuation.

I hate the term self-hating because it misses the point. Better to assess the reality that it perpetuates the power trip.

If you can’t see how this is happening then I’d caution you about lecturing anyone on the topic.

And the excuse that Randi Rhodes meant “whore” in a way that meant ‘compromised your integrity for gain’…then i’ll introduce you to some white folks who excuse their racism by telling you there are blacks then there are ‘niggers’. This is a con game for the intellectually stunted and the morally corrupt.

Perhaps there comes a time when you have to just decide you don’t get to call people such a word that has been used to beat down people.

]]> By: SergeiRostov http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-182081 SergeiRostov Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:11:07 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-182081 <i>say “if any” because it’s been an awful long time since the word “whore” was confined to the single sense of one who performs sexual acts for money. A person without scruples will do. </i> So according to you it's an insult to call someone a prostitute, but it's NOT an insult to say someone has no scruples? Hmm. Some moral code you have there. say “if any” because it’s been an awful long time since the word “whore” was confined to the single sense of one who performs sexual acts for money. A person without scruples will do.

So according to you it’s an insult to call someone a prostitute, but it’s NOT an insult to say someone has no scruples?

Hmm.

Some moral code you have there.

]]> By: SergeiRostov http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-182077 SergeiRostov Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:07:12 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-182077 ...which in no way invalidates the point. …which in no way invalidates the point.

]]> By: SergeiRostov http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-182076 SergeiRostov Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:04:39 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-182076 ...says the person with no counterargument. …says the person with no counterargument.

]]> By: Andy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-182065 Andy Mon, 07 Apr 2008 05:25:10 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-182065 <blockquote>Female-on-female sexism? Sorry, I just can’t get my head around it.</blockquote> That's b/c obviously you have nothing inside your head. You have no clue do you? You don't even know the meaning of sexism.

Female-on-female sexism? Sorry, I just can’t get my head around it.

That’s b/c obviously you have nothing inside your head. You have no clue do you? You don’t even know the meaning of sexism.

]]> By: Andy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-182061 Andy Mon, 07 Apr 2008 05:20:58 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-182061 qwert, you have no integrity, do you? So can a call you a *f------ whore* provided I campaign against McCain in the Fall? qwert, you have no integrity, do you?

So can a call you a *f—— whore* provided I campaign against McCain in the Fall?

]]> By: SergeiRostov http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-182046 SergeiRostov Mon, 07 Apr 2008 05:08:54 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-182046 <i>Some have raised the specter of sexism here, and I simply don’t know whether to laugh or lose my lunch. In order for sexism– and racism for that matter– to work, it has to be perpetrated by a member of a group in a position to enforce the epithet– in other words, in a white-male-dominated society, you kind of have to be a white male for the accusation to stick. Female-on-female sexism? Sorry, I just can’t get my head around it.</i> Sorry, no. Sexism is treating people differently on the basis of gender where such treatment has no rational basis (an example of 'rational basis' would be not covering testicular exams under a single-with-no-dependents- women's insurance policy. If what you said was true, then Ann Coulter saying women shouldn't be allowed to vote isn't sexist. And as for it 'being able to work', having a member of the suppressed group express it gives cover to the oppressing group, making the "ism" more likely to be perpetuated. You lose. (Better luck next time.) SR Some have raised the specter of sexism here, and I simply don’t know whether to laugh or lose my lunch. In order for sexism– and racism for that matter– to work, it has to be perpetrated by a member of a group in a position to enforce the epithet– in other words, in a white-male-dominated society, you kind of have to be a white male for the accusation to stick.

Female-on-female sexism? Sorry, I just can’t get my head around it.

Sorry, no.

Sexism is treating people differently on the basis of gender where such treatment has no rational basis (an example of ‘rational basis’ would be not covering testicular exams under a single-with-no-dependents- women’s insurance policy.

If what you said was true, then Ann Coulter saying women shouldn’t be allowed to vote isn’t sexist.

And as for it ‘being able to work’, having a member of the suppressed group express it gives cover to the oppressing group, making the “ism” more likely to be perpetuated.

You lose.

(Better luck next time.)

SR

]]> By: Steve http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-181457 Steve Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:13:23 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-181457 Newsflash, there were Hillary Clinton supporters at this event as well. Newsflash, there were Hillary Clinton supporters at this event as well.

]]> By: Chris Vosburg http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-180704 Chris Vosburg Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:32:59 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-180704 Not worth reply, darlin. Anything else? Not worth reply, darlin.

Anything else?

]]> By: andre lee http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-180643 andre lee Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:26:25 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/04/the-latest-on-randi-rhodes-and-obama-connection/#comment-180643 You folks on this site are way to nice. Hillary Clinton is someones mother, Geraldine Ferraro is someones mother. Just the idea that a person could walk around, on this here earth, and have that idea running through their minds, 'Someone called my mother a 'fucking whore' (which I take to mean someone made a great effort to hurt my mom by debasing her to the lowest gender based socially despised level of debasement possible) and not have their response be to make an unending effort to personally remind the speaker of those words that the object of their debasement is a very real and cared about person, or to simply put a size 14 up there ass is a credit to something-upbringing, will power, not having any leave from work. It's something that I am missing and greatfully would not stop me. Folks on this site, please keep up the metered tenor of the convo. I get much appreciated perspective. You folks on this site are way to nice. Hillary Clinton is someones mother, Geraldine Ferraro is someones mother. Just the idea that a person could walk around, on this here earth, and have that idea running through their minds, ‘Someone called my mother a ‘fucking whore’ (which I take to mean someone made a great effort to hurt my mom by debasing her to the lowest gender based socially despised level of debasement possible) and not have their response be to make an unending effort to personally remind the speaker of those words that the object of their debasement is a very real and cared about person, or to simply put a size 14 up there ass is a credit to something-upbringing, will power, not having any leave from work. It’s something that I am missing and greatfully would not stop me. Folks on this site, please keep up the metered tenor of the convo. I get much appreciated perspective.

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