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		<title>By: Bride of Rove &#187; The Misogynists</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/05/female-mysogynists-for-obama/#comment-650260</link>
		<dc:creator>Bride of Rove &#187; The Misogynists</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Obama Deals The Slave Card (Deleted at myDD) &#171; TexasDarlin Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama Deals The Slave Card (Deleted at myDD) &#171; TexasDarlin Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to be on their website. It is a part of their BIG TENT approach. Republicans, Terrorists, Racists, Mysogynists, Homophobes and Bigots For Obama is their battle cry. And the Obama campaign only takes this stuff [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hillary&#8217;s Voice &#187; From today&#8217;s Media News mailing 4/7/08</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hillary&#8217;s Voice &#187; From today&#8217;s Media News mailing 4/7/08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Female Mysogynists for Obama (by Larry Johnson at No Quarter) Women who hate women seem to flock around Obama… Let me introduce you to a person who says she is Melinda Shanks-Robbins…[:] “… Going after Randi the way you [Larry] did is no different than physically assalting or raping her. You are a criminal. I hope she does sue your ass.” Can you follow the batshit logic here? Posting the video of Randi calling Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro is the equivalent of beating or raping Randi? Jesus Christ!! We are to blame for Randi’s intemperate remarks? It is impossible to even begin to fathom the stupidity of the person who would make such a comparison. [In a later message:] “You can spin what you did anyway you want, but it still was cruel, petty, and of course Rovian.” So folks, I leave it to you to decide. Who is the spinner here? So remember, if you publicize the film clip of someone saying something that they really said that, in the fantasy world of Obamaland, is Rovian. Be afraid. Be very afraid. And I hear the same arguments from the Obamabots.  It’s not HIS fault that he sat in a pew for 20 years listening to racist speech and even donated to that church, it’s the fault of those who made the speeches public.  It’s not HIS fault that he hung out with corrupt political fixers and Weather Underground radicals.  He’s not to blame for anything.  Anyone else see a parallel to the adoration of George Bush from 1999 through the devastation of Hurricane Katrina? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Female Mysogynists for Obama (by Larry Johnson at No Quarter) Women who hate women seem to flock around Obama… Let me introduce you to a person who says she is Melinda Shanks-Robbins…[:] “… Going after Randi the way you [Larry] did is no different than physically assalting or raping her. You are a criminal. I hope she does sue your ass.” Can you follow the batshit logic here? Posting the video of Randi calling Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro is the equivalent of beating or raping Randi? Jesus Christ!! We are to blame for Randi’s intemperate remarks? It is impossible to even begin to fathom the stupidity of the person who would make such a comparison. [In a later message:] “You can spin what you did anyway you want, but it still was cruel, petty, and of course Rovian.” So folks, I leave it to you to decide. Who is the spinner here? So remember, if you publicize the film clip of someone saying something that they really said that, in the fantasy world of Obamaland, is Rovian. Be afraid. Be very afraid. And I hear the same arguments from the Obamabots.  It’s not HIS fault that he sat in a pew for 20 years listening to racist speech and even donated to that church, it’s the fault of those who made the speeches public.  It’s not HIS fault that he hung out with corrupt political fixers and Weather Underground radicals.  He’s not to blame for anything.  Anyone else see a parallel to the adoration of George Bush from 1999 through the devastation of Hurricane Katrina? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Make Them Accountable / Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Make Them Accountable / Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Female Mysogynists for Obama (by Larry Johnson at No Quarter) Women who hate women seem to flock around Obama… Let me introduce you to a person who says she is Melinda Shanks-Robbins…[:] “… Going after Randi the way you [Larry] did is no different than physically assalting or raping her. You are a criminal. I hope she does sue your ass.” Can you follow the batshit logic here? Posting the video of Randi calling Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro is the equivalent of beating or raping Randi? Jesus Christ!! We are to blame for Randi’s intemperate remarks? It is impossible to even begin to fathom the stupidity of the person who would make such a comparison. [In a later message:] “You can spin what you did anyway you want, but it still was cruel, petty, and of course Rovian.” So folks, I leave it to you to decide. Who is the spinner here? So remember, if you publicize the film clip of someone saying something that they really said that, in the fantasy world of Obamaland, is Rovian. Be afraid. Be very afraid. And I hear the same arguments from the Obamabots.  It’s not HIS fault that he sat in a pew for 20 years listening to racist speech and even donated to that church, it’s the fault of those who made the speeches public.  It’s not HIS fault that he hung out with corrupt political fixers and Weather Underground radicals.  He’s not to blame for anything.  Anyone else see a parallel to the adoration of George Bush from 1999 through the devastation of Hurricane Katrina? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Female Mysogynists for Obama (by Larry Johnson at No Quarter) Women who hate women seem to flock around Obama… Let me introduce you to a person who says she is Melinda Shanks-Robbins…[:] “… Going after Randi the way you [Larry] did is no different than physically assalting or raping her. You are a criminal. I hope she does sue your ass.” Can you follow the batshit logic here? Posting the video of Randi calling Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro is the equivalent of beating or raping Randi? Jesus Christ!! We are to blame for Randi’s intemperate remarks? It is impossible to even begin to fathom the stupidity of the person who would make such a comparison. [In a later message:] “You can spin what you did anyway you want, but it still was cruel, petty, and of course Rovian.” So folks, I leave it to you to decide. Who is the spinner here? So remember, if you publicize the film clip of someone saying something that they really said that, in the fantasy world of Obamaland, is Rovian. Be afraid. Be very afraid. And I hear the same arguments from the Obamabots.  It’s not HIS fault that he sat in a pew for 20 years listening to racist speech and even donated to that church, it’s the fault of those who made the speeches public.  It’s not HIS fault that he hung out with corrupt political fixers and Weather Underground radicals.  He’s not to blame for anything.  Anyone else see a parallel to the adoration of George Bush from 1999 through the devastation of Hurricane Katrina? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: militarytracy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/05/female-mysogynists-for-obama/#comment-182244</link>
		<dc:creator>militarytracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't be afraid Larry ;)  There was something so hateful in the Rhodes clip, I mean it wasn't even funny unless you hated Hillary, and then the type of funny that it was.......if you were laughing you may need to seek some help for your displaced rage.  No matter what a person's political beliefs may be they can sell out their principles in an attempt to gain some sort of end product.  I was never a Rhodes fan so I'm not sure what her standards were and if she sold anything out dear to herself or not by calling two female figures of the party she claims to champion whores, but the masses have their own standards and she crossed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t be afraid Larry <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  There was something so hateful in the Rhodes clip, I mean it wasn&#8217;t even funny unless you hated Hillary, and then the type of funny that it was&#8230;&#8230;.if you were laughing you may need to seek some help for your displaced rage.  No matter what a person&#8217;s political beliefs may be they can sell out their principles in an attempt to gain some sort of end product.  I was never a Rhodes fan so I&#8217;m not sure what her standards were and if she sold anything out dear to herself or not by calling two female figures of the party she claims to champion whores, but the masses have their own standards and she crossed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rocio Juarez</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/05/female-mysogynists-for-obama/#comment-181827</link>
		<dc:creator>Rocio Juarez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big picture is that it is unacceptable to promote, or support sexism. When you publicly call a woman a whore you are then guilty of insulting all women. Randi Rhodes, as a public figure, and a woman could've and should've been sensitive to the fact that she was demeaning to herself. The problem is that she chose her words incorrectly and she attacked a woman who as many know has worked doggedly on behalf of women's and children's rights. Even Samantha Power had to apologize and backtrack on her "monster" mistake (as she calls it), and state that she in fact has publicly spoken of her admiration of Senator Clinton the woman, and of her life's public service(except Iraq). 

As a woman, I am saddened to see how many young women disrespect themselves by allowing sexism to happen in their lives without a challenge. I blame the media, MTV, much of the new generation of hip-hop, old values that will not go away if not directly challenged, and an overall sense of simply wanting to believe that we really have as a nation transcended not only racism, but sexism as well. The truth is sexism is an even bigger socioeconomic issue today than racism. For many, such a statement will be considered incorrect, As a woman, I disagree. If Obama was a woman, or a black woman, this would be a different presidential race. If Obama was instead the experienced, older white or black male candidate, and Clinton was the eloquent, younger, inspiring, less experienced, black or white female candidate, this would be a different race. Then, experience would be all important, and great speeches would be seen for what they are, great speeches lacking action.

 Oh, this is still a man's world with the help of some women the believe the
 propaganda against being a feminist and what it really means. Feminism does not mean you support the female gender regardless of any real merit. Rather, feminism was and still is a movement to elevate women in society and attain the status of first class citizen. This a fight women are still in today. Sad. It's fine to disagree with Senator Clinton on the issue, it is another thing to engage in ad hominem attacks. If anybody where to call Obama a f!#%!! bastard, well, the public outcry would be like a tsunami. However, the word bitch, cunt, whore,etc... are so routine and matter of fact, that society, generally speaking have become desensitized. 

Most important, is context. The Randi Rhodes comments were made at an Obama sponsored fundraiser. No word from "The One" himself on the matter. Instead, the campaign sent a memo stating they had nothing to do with it. That's it.  Wow, that was far from being a  message of unification, hope and
change. 

As for me, my eyes are wide open, and I will not drink the kool-aid. I have done and continue to research both candidates. I do support Senator Clinton. I support her not because she is a woman, but rather, because of the woman that she is: Strong, courageous, experienced, compassionate, willing, ready, and able. I don't hold her up on a pedestal, as I know she is only human. She inspires a great confidence in me to see the real change through real solutions that will bring about real progress with her presidency. No disrespect to Senator Obama, who still has many years ahead of him to prove himself. He just has not closed the deal with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big picture is that it is unacceptable to promote, or support sexism. When you publicly call a woman a whore you are then guilty of insulting all women. Randi Rhodes, as a public figure, and a woman could&#8217;ve and should&#8217;ve been sensitive to the fact that she was demeaning to herself. The problem is that she chose her words incorrectly and she attacked a woman who as many know has worked doggedly on behalf of women&#8217;s and children&#8217;s rights. Even Samantha Power had to apologize and backtrack on her &#8220;monster&#8221; mistake (as she calls it), and state that she in fact has publicly spoken of her admiration of Senator Clinton the woman, and of her life&#8217;s public service(except Iraq). </p>
<p>As a woman, I am saddened to see how many young women disrespect themselves by allowing sexism to happen in their lives without a challenge. I blame the media, MTV, much of the new generation of hip-hop, old values that will not go away if not directly challenged, and an overall sense of simply wanting to believe that we really have as a nation transcended not only racism, but sexism as well. The truth is sexism is an even bigger socioeconomic issue today than racism. For many, such a statement will be considered incorrect, As a woman, I disagree. If Obama was a woman, or a black woman, this would be a different presidential race. If Obama was instead the experienced, older white or black male candidate, and Clinton was the eloquent, younger, inspiring, less experienced, black or white female candidate, this would be a different race. Then, experience would be all important, and great speeches would be seen for what they are, great speeches lacking action.</p>
<p> Oh, this is still a man&#8217;s world with the help of some women the believe the<br />
 propaganda against being a feminist and what it really means. Feminism does not mean you support the female gender regardless of any real merit. Rather, feminism was and still is a movement to elevate women in society and attain the status of first class citizen. This a fight women are still in today. Sad. It&#8217;s fine to disagree with Senator Clinton on the issue, it is another thing to engage in ad hominem attacks. If anybody where to call Obama a f!#%!! bastard, well, the public outcry would be like a tsunami. However, the word bitch, cunt, whore,etc&#8230; are so routine and matter of fact, that society, generally speaking have become desensitized. </p>
<p>Most important, is context. The Randi Rhodes comments were made at an Obama sponsored fundraiser. No word from &#8220;The One&#8221; himself on the matter. Instead, the campaign sent a memo stating they had nothing to do with it. That&#8217;s it.  Wow, that was far from being a  message of unification, hope and<br />
change. </p>
<p>As for me, my eyes are wide open, and I will not drink the kool-aid. I have done and continue to research both candidates. I do support Senator Clinton. I support her not because she is a woman, but rather, because of the woman that she is: Strong, courageous, experienced, compassionate, willing, ready, and able. I don&#8217;t hold her up on a pedestal, as I know she is only human. She inspires a great confidence in me to see the real change through real solutions that will bring about real progress with her presidency. No disrespect to Senator Obama, who still has many years ahead of him to prove himself. He just has not closed the deal with me.</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved that movie.

"Use enough dynamite there, Butch?"

As the plump unctuous Rezko comes undone, as the terrorism web unravels, I'm sure we will find out much more about Obama's funding.

Unfortunately, it  might not be for a few more years.

Willful denial is a refuge of false security, people are willing to co opt lies for the sake of pretending everything is OK, for the sake of appearance.

It's a dangerous world, deliberate ignorance makes it even more dangerous, unnecessarily so.

And in the case of 9.11, over 3500 Americans died, or were murdered, and that simply didn't have to happen, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved that movie.</p>
<p>&#8220;Use enough dynamite there, Butch?&#8221;</p>
<p>As the plump unctuous Rezko comes undone, as the terrorism web unravels, I&#8217;m sure we will find out much more about Obama&#8217;s funding.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, it  might not be for a few more years.</p>
<p>Willful denial is a refuge of false security, people are willing to co opt lies for the sake of pretending everything is OK, for the sake of appearance.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a dangerous world, deliberate ignorance makes it even more dangerous, unnecessarily so.</p>
<p>And in the case of 9.11, over 3500 Americans died, or were murdered, and that simply didn&#8217;t have to happen, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Susaninbosque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susaninbosque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon, I appreciate the fact that you noted this because it has bothered me for some time.  Having been a college student for many years and then part-time faculty, I know the limitations of "limitless" student contributions - at least in my gut I know it - and it seems to me that enormous numbers of "new" small donation contributors over and over again month after month is suspicious and can be generated by just a few people - with finer computer skills than mine and possibly in foreign venues - sitting in one room in one city pretending to be those enormous numbers of new small donors.  I can't imagine who could regulate this.  And Axlerod must have known this long ago... considering that Obama has never really won an election in any "fair and square" manner.  It was sometime last year that we were told that Obama was actually counting all of the "bumper stickers" he sold as donations and that was what surged his numbers.  It seems like we kind of fell for that one and no one has asked since.  But, to quote George Roy Hill (and  by extension Robert Redford and Paul Newman) from "Butch Cassidy...":  "Who are those guys (donors)???" 

But then this is a film uniquely American from when Obama was 8 yrs old and if he didn't know that 9/11 had been predicted, I doubt he would recognize that quote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, I appreciate the fact that you noted this because it has bothered me for some time.  Having been a college student for many years and then part-time faculty, I know the limitations of &#8220;limitless&#8221; student contributions - at least in my gut I know it - and it seems to me that enormous numbers of &#8220;new&#8221; small donation contributors over and over again month after month is suspicious and can be generated by just a few people - with finer computer skills than mine and possibly in foreign venues - sitting in one room in one city pretending to be those enormous numbers of new small donors.  I can&#8217;t imagine who could regulate this.  And Axlerod must have known this long ago&#8230; considering that Obama has never really won an election in any &#8220;fair and square&#8221; manner.  It was sometime last year that we were told that Obama was actually counting all of the &#8220;bumper stickers&#8221; he sold as donations and that was what surged his numbers.  It seems like we kind of fell for that one and no one has asked since.  But, to quote George Roy Hill (and  by extension Robert Redford and Paul Newman) from &#8220;Butch Cassidy&#8230;&#8221;:  &#8220;Who are those guys (donors)???&#8221; </p>
<p>But then this is a film uniquely American from when Obama was 8 yrs old and if he didn&#8217;t know that 9/11 had been predicted, I doubt he would recognize that quote.</p>
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		<title>By: Smilin' Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smilin' Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your old prof from trollschool just phoned me.  He's livid.

He was OK about your unequivocal statement that a premise is entirely false at the beginning of the argument.  He considers that properly inflammatory for a troll and bound to attract lots of attention to you.

What generated his initial ire was your capitulation at the end when you considered Johnson's assertion weak, and by implication, not false, thus contradicting your properly inflammatory original assertion.

What made his head really explode was that you then abandoned a priori reasoning for induction.  

Evidently that mixing of the arguments is not kosher in trollschool.

His advice: When in a hole, stop digging.

(I know, I promised not to feed the trolls but when they roger the syllogism I just gotta cut loose)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your old prof from trollschool just phoned me.  He&#8217;s livid.</p>
<p>He was OK about your unequivocal statement that a premise is entirely false at the beginning of the argument.  He considers that properly inflammatory for a troll and bound to attract lots of attention to you.</p>
<p>What generated his initial ire was your capitulation at the end when you considered Johnson&#8217;s assertion weak, and by implication, not false, thus contradicting your properly inflammatory original assertion.</p>
<p>What made his head really explode was that you then abandoned a priori reasoning for induction.  </p>
<p>Evidently that mixing of the arguments is not kosher in trollschool.</p>
<p>His advice: When in a hole, stop digging.</p>
<p>(I know, I promised not to feed the trolls but when they roger the syllogism I just gotta cut loose)</p>
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		<title>By: simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It does not seem impossible that our election is being decided based on some foreign group considering the kind of pollution of foreign money that Obama has been comfortable with out of Chicago.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Most people are very resistant to this suggestion, but you hit the nail on the head.

And really, with so little governance, why wouldn't foreign money try to influence US politicians, in this manner?

So much money, and so much influence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It does not seem impossible that our election is being decided based on some foreign group considering the kind of pollution of foreign money that Obama has been comfortable with out of Chicago.</p></blockquote>
<p>Most people are very resistant to this suggestion, but you hit the nail on the head.</p>
<p>And really, with so little governance, why wouldn&#8217;t foreign money try to influence US politicians, in this manner?</p>
<p>So much money, and so much influence.</p>
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