Female Mysogynists for Obama
By Larry Johnson on April 5, 2008 at 8:38 PM in Current Affairs
Women who hate women seem to flock around Obama. How else to explain the nutty reaction of some ladies to NoQuarter publicizing Randi Rhodes verbal abuse of Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro. Don’t take my word for it. Let me introduce you to a person who says she is Melinda Shanks-Robbins. Ms. Shanks-Robbins greeted me this morning with the following:
From: Melinda Shanks-Robbins
Sent: Apr 5, 2008 10:45 AM
To: Larry Johnson
Subject: RandiYour whole business is based on the fake terrorism boogyman. That is why you want Clinton to be President. Going after Randi the way you did is no different than physically assalting or raping her. You are a criminal. I hope she does sue your ass.
Can you follow the batshit logic here? Posting the video of Randi calling Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro is the equivalent of beating or raping Randi? Jesus Christ!! We are to blame for Randi’s intemperate remarks? It is impossible to even begin to fathom the stupidity of the person who would make such a comparison.
I wrote back to Ms. Shanks-Robbins and encouraged here to seek out a qualified mental health professional. Maybe she stopped taking her meds. Well, she sent me another missive:
From: Melinda Shanks-Robbins
Sent: Apr 5, 2008 11:57 AM
To: Larry Johnson
Subject: Re: RandiYou are the one who needs mental health couseling. You deliberately posted that video to get her fired from her job, because she has said she is for Obama. More Rove tactics from the Clinton camp.
I wrote back:
So you support calling women like Hillary and Gerladine Ferraro “fucking whores”? What the hell is wrong with you?
Not surprisingly, Melinda replied:
From: Melinda Shanks-Robbins
To: Larry Johnson
Subject: Re: Randi
Date: Apr 5, 2008 5:59 PMOh please, who are you trying to kid? This isn’t about Randi saying that at a private function. You were after her for being critical of Clinton on her radio show. She has criticized her for the tactics she has engaged in, and I agree with her. Clinton will never catch up with Obama in number of delegates. She is getting desperate. Her saying that she and McCain passed the commander-in-chief test and Obama gave a speech was disgusting. Who’s side is she on? I’ll tell you who - she is out for herself. She doesn’t care about the Democratic Party or the American people. The word whore has several meanings. I believe, in this context, Randi meant sell-out, suck-up, corporate shill, etc. You can spin what you did anyway you want, but it still was cruel, petty, and of course Rovian.
So folks, I leave it to you to decide. Who is the spinner here? So remember, if you publicize the film clip of someone saying something that they really said that, in the fantasy world of Obamaland, is Rovian. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Holy freakin’ cow! I have been a feminist for, well, all my life, but officially for the past 33 yrs or so. And exposing the hate speech of Rhodes is not an attack on her. She said it; she’s responsible for it; and those who applauded her are right up there with her in her abusive attacks on Clinton and Ferraro. For this woman to attack YOU rather than really looking at what Rhodes said is telling in and of itself.
So, Larry - that is all to say, I’m with you. This exchange was…Wow…Disturbng. On her part, not yours.
It’s Hillary’s fault.
I know. Why won’t that bitch just quit? Oh, excuse me, I believe I misspoke — I meant to say “fucking whore.”
This is just unbelievable. I swear to God, Eleanor Roosevelt must be turning in her grave, with the all-too-personal abuse Mrs. Clinton is sustaining in this campaign.
Hillary has stumbled unnecessarily from time to time, and to be perfectly honest I think that success is becoming doubtful at this point whether we care to admit it or not.
But I will say that because of the sheer amount of vitriole and threats heaped upon her, history will show that she’s certainly run one of the more personally courageous campaigns in modern times, certainly in my relatively short adult life. I’m proud to have stood for her in our party caucuses last February, and I’d do so again.
I agree, Donald, and thank you for YOUR bravery in standing for her in a caucus. In such a pro-Obama state as Hawaii, I’m sure it took courage. Hillary would be proud.
You’ve made me see Hillary’s exemplary campaign in a different light, thank you so much! I have been supportive of her candidacy because I was so eager for what the future would hold with her as our President. And what you’ve made me remember is that she can still be my champion by the courage of her convictions, whether she is elected President (this time) or not.
(That’s not to say that I’m not still hoping! And doing everything I can to help her win!)
the degree of hatred coming from women does seem to be much greater than that coming from men. i’ve noticed it throughout the primary season, all over the blogs and on the tube. the personal attacks on looks, etc., as well as blaming hillary for bill’s infidelity, and on and on. and the we shouldn’t vote for her “just because she’s a woman” line that comes out everywhere.
i’ve been called a feminazi more than once, a term i hadn’t heard in about 30 years. it’s as though we’re fighting the old war all over again.
strange, isn’t it, how the slightest comment can be twisted into racism, with a resulting uproar, but no sexist attack, no matter how vile, is deemed too low. and the women are the ones defending the sexist attacks the loudest (although the men express themselves as well, by voting for obama, but they are less likely to scream personal insults - hard to tell what part of the vote thing is white guilt vs. no woman should be president).
It’s just that old Belafonte Effect, and their sensitivity about being called on it.
The Insensitive, Politically Incorrect term for many of these women is, “Closet coal-burners,” but I won’t use that term, “BECAUSE IT WOULD BE WRONG!”
(Thanks, Nixon, for a quote I can finally use.)
completely agree. i think we know that obama would’ve folded a long time ago if he’d had to undergo the viciousness that has been dumped on hillary. but she just keeps fighting.
agree that success is becoming doubtful. clearly, the powers that be will not allow it to happen in the normal process of things. of course, some new and even more horrible info could come out about obama. but i think that unless there’s video of him committing murder, it won’t matter.
i’m voting mccain. my first ever repub vote. have voted straight dem ticket almost every year since 1972, and have never voted repub in a presidential race. will do so this year.
Ok, leave, AND vote for 100 year war McCain, the last time progressives did this they voted for Nader, look how well that turned out
So go ahead 4000 dead Americans and a million Iraqis is NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU
THe loss of what is left of the Supremem Court is NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU
The loss of SCIENCE in the classrooms is NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU
The evisceration of the Constitution is NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU
The loss of our environment is NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU
I am a Hillary supporter, BOTH sides have gone CRAZY WHY CAN’T WE FIGHT Republicans like we fight each other
Donald….found you again….finally. Hallelujah!
Wow you have the bat shit crazies coming out of the wood work.
Well I DO have degrees in Psychology and Counseling and Larry Johnson is certainly not crazy. I also know that to have worked at the CIA he had to have mental health evaluations. I would expect that there is a personality assessment in his personnel files.
Women are womens worst enemies and Melinda Shanks-Robbins is nuts.
Randi Rhodes said what she said and it was caught on video. If she had been a Clinton supporter at a Clinton fund raiser and called Obama a nasty racist name — all hell would have broken loose.
The point is the LANGUAGE the WORDS that Randi Rhodes used was wrong. Her combination of words was wrong.
The misogynistic language has got to stop NOW!
I am so thankful for the strong men who understand the problem with using these words to describe women is wrong.
Obama has contributed to the hate speech by making misogynistic remarks about Senator Clinton.
Thank you Larry Johnson!
I agree the language is unacceptable - but I believe it’s also the tone and the context. I have he same problem with Wright.
There are true-blue Americans who question some of the things that America does - I’m one of them. But you don’t do it by cursing and damning and making outrageous accusations. Instead, you consider the issues, different points of views, and discuss it all maturely, and then take responsible action.
And you absolutely DON’T choose a course of action in which you are overduly influencing people, instilling wild rage and non-critical thinking in those who hear you.
Both Rhodes and Wright engage in inciting reactionary emotions. Neither promotes critical thinking. As far as I’m concerned, both are dangerous, for these reasons.
What happened to public personalities behaving professionally and ethically and responsibly? (Thank goodness for Hillary)
…..Well I DO have degrees in Psychology and Counseling and Larry Johnson is certainly not crazy. I also know that to have worked at the CIA he had to have mental health evaluations…..
He would have needed to pass the real estate exam too and know how to operate a vacuum cleaner. Hmmmm. Randi Rhodes. I need to pay more attention to that lady.
She on Obama kool-aid?
Sounds like Obama calling Imus a racist in 2007 and a year later defending his preacher Wright!
Life to look forward to the Obama way! Thank Oprah folks!
And saying his grandma is a “typical white person.”
you heard the latest from Obama?
if elected President, to curb the Race divide in Rich White America, he will institute by Executive Order that the card game Black Jack hense forth shall only be named Afro-American Jack! And the Queen of Spades will hense forth be called the Queen Donna Brazile card!
That’s very bad, mel…so why can’t I stop laughing?
The Executive Mansion will be known as, “O’s Juke.”
Shucks, I once had a tomcat named, “Tigger,” but, due to the sensitivities of my then-wife, I was compelled to change his name to, “Teegro.”
This, alas, was also unacceptable, so he passed the remainder of his days as my, “feline-American.”
LOL - my feline American approves
Curious how Obama supporters latch onto that one statement by Clinton, yet totally ignore Obama’s veneration of Reagan and Bush I at the expense of Bill (and, by implied extension, Hillary) Clinton.
If that’s what Rhods meant, Rhodes should have said, “she’s a fucking sell-out, corporate shill” and backed up the claim.
That said, I’m not sure I’d call this Melinda Shanks-Robbins person a misogynist. I would definitely call her an idiot, however. She seems to be one of those Obama supporters who’s so blinded by their candidate’s “rapturousness,” they can’t see the irrational vitriol toward the Other Democratic candidate. It’s called Unity!
The word whore has several meanings. I believe, in this context, Randi meant sell-out, suck-up, corporate shill, etc.
No. Then she would have mentioned Barack Obama.
Hahahahaha Hard to stop laughing about that. Hahahaha!!!
LOL - big time!
rotflmao
Some troll here yesterday tried to make the same argument. Even had a cute little cut and paste example from a dictionary. Their point was that you speed right on by the first two meanings for “whore” and go for the third. Ergo, you find sell out etc.
Ignorance can be cured in some cases but this kind of “stupid” is a lifelong affliction. And sadly, I don’t believe there’s a medication for it.
What Clinton said was: both McCain and herself had passed the threshold and that Obama would have to prove he had done the same. Not once did she endorse McCain over Obama. But that’s what happens when you criticize Obama: inflammatory distraction from the question.
But let’s say Clinton did endorse McCain: how does that excuse misogynistic bigotry? It doesn’t.
The word whore has several meanings. I believe, in this context, Randi meant sell-out, suck-up, corporate shill, etc.
David Shuster was suspended for the same thing - he said that HRC was “pimping out” Chelsea and the “several meanings” interpretation was not accepted.
Jayyyyyyysus. What a beauty.
The word bitch has many meanings too and I am certain the author of those heinous e-mails fits the description of each one of them.
I agree with you, Mr. Johnson (Larry), and the other people who wrote in stating you are sane. I just thought I would take this opportunity to THANK YOU for this great blog and the intelligent (and sometimes fun) entries. I have found it so important after I stopped reading the HRC hating boyz. Happy spring! F
Thanks. We are glad to have you with us.
You might be a cranky old bastard…but the CIA does some good work.
Maybe you should direct the emailer to the covert SOE/OSS?Bletchley work done in WW2 and how key it was to defeating the Nazis and the Japanese.
The only reason you don’t hear about the currently successful work is because it’s still classified.
A quick tour though through the crucial spying of ww2 would enlighten the sadly deluded emailer about the necessary evil of secret intelligence agencies…
If nothing else you are giving a reasonable preview of the Republican game plan.
something Churchill said about the truth being so precious it needs to be protected by a bodyguard of lies.
It’s interesting to see how history has had to be rewritten with the revelations about ULTRA and Bletchley Park.
I’m certain that when this period’s archives are declassified we will all realize we have to reassess what successes and failures we have really had with Al Qaeda and other security issues.
Wow, and I figured Hillary had to deal with crazy haters! Sorry you had to be exposed to the underside of THAT rock.
She’s like the Obama supporters who are now trying to say that what the Reverend Wright said was actually not so bad. It’s called DENIAL, and anyone who’s spent any time around drug addicts or alcoholics is very familiar with the term. Denial can drive you insane, especially when the facts are staring you in the face. I guess Obama’s supporters are really going off the deep end.
You are a good man, Larry. She is a NUT.
what the Reverend Wright said was actually not so bad
Bill Mahr was comparing what MLK to the Rev.
amazing.
which is why i’ll never watch him again.
i felt bad when he got screwed after 9/11. i don’t feel bad any more.
The “Rovian” part really struck me. Talk about someone who has not only drunk the kool aid, but has gone back for seconds. This woman has a serious problem with the Truth, doesn’t she?
She has no problem, however, with bleating Obama-approved talking points. “Rovian,” indeed.
I bet she now screams foul at Larry sharing her name with us here. Because nothing you do, say or write should ever be critically examined, by anyone.
As a woman, sometimes I’m really really embarrassed by other women. Ms. Shanks-Robbins is apparently comfortable with women being called “fucking whores.”
I wish she could illuminate us all with her koolaidy goodness on how the term “fucking whore” fits in with that whole ‘postivey hopey changey’ thing.
I’m just not seeing it…
Word to Melinda: I cannot fathom how or why anyone, regardless of their political persuasion, would actually send out such a nasty email with your name on it. The dig on Larry’s career was downright scary: “Your whole business is based on the fake terrorism boogyman.” Dear God woman, in light of 9/11 how could you even go there? Obama really does bring out the beautiful people, doesn’t he?
hahahaha…that should be Obama’s new campaign slogan, “Join us as we do the whole positive-y hope-y change-y thing”….hahahah
You just KNOW I am going to have to use that for a Title.
You are welcome to use anything I say, Uppity!
xoxo
That’s what I thought, too.
What a horrible thing to say, in light of the suffering of those who have lost loved ones, or been injured by terrorist acts.
And that includes those harmed in Iraq, and Afghanistan, too.
The deaths and the suffering are very real.
If she’s really THAT upset, she should ask Obama about Auchi, and Saddam, or Wright, Farrakhan and Qaddafi.
I’m actually thinking it could be a dance.. the “postivey hopey changey”, kinda like the ‘okey dokey hokey pokey!”
Cuz that’s really what it’s all about!
LOL…hahahaha….
I believe the positivey hopey changey is the second verse of the okey dokey hokey pokey…
wait awhile willya? I haven’t learned all the steps to the okey-dokey-hokey-pokey yet.
Second verse and new steps would then be the:
positively-hopey-dopey-changey two-step?
I think I’ll sit this one out.
Who knew there was so much musical talent here?
lol…..hahahaha
Cuz that’s really what it’s all about!
So much material, so little time!
I must say that women who rationalize and condone the this kind of behavior are as vile as vile can be. But, I have seen that something is going on with women in this country and it isn’t pretty. I am a 37 year old woman who cannot fathom going to a work-related function and behaving in such a manner. Getting pissed off and saying something in complete privacy to a spouse about a run-in with a terrible person is one thing. But, being a 50 year old drunken radio host spewing this kind of crap is grounds for a pink slip.
There is no decorum anymore. Nothing is off limits and nothing is out of bounds. If we want civil discourse, then we each play a part in making that reality. Being a public figure like Randi Rhodes puts even more responsibility on you. She isn’t a private person. She makes her livelihood in the public arena.
The only kind of woman who would not only condone but defend this kind of behavior is a woman who has no manners and no self-respect. You know my mother always taught me that you treat others the way you want to be treated. Karma is a bitch ain’t it Randi!!
Does this explain Rush Limbaugh’s hate speech, too?
What do you think of a man who refers to feminists as feminazis?
Simon:
I agree that Rush Limbaugh is a vile creature and the same rules apply, or rather should apply to him as well. We all know in this society that the rules do not apply equally. Like Jerry Falwell saying that it was feminists, lesbians, People for the American Way, the ACLU, etc… that were the cause of 9/11. He should have been tarred and feathered. Needless to say, he got a free pass! Women who condone this kind of crap wind up getting it in end, more so than their male counterparts.
Limbaugh apparently appeals to the Phyllis Schafely women and the Neanderthal men who love them! That is why the Fairness Doctrine needs to be re-introduced. Limbaugh never had the venue he has today until that law was repealed under Reagan.
I disagree, I think Limbaugh, and his ilk of shock joke, (like Howard Stern,say) waged a war against women unlike any I’d ever seen.
In fact, I’d say many of the Obamabots take their cue from the cultural misogynist sewage those men dumped, even if subconsciously.
Combined with the hiphop garbage?
That’s one toxic American dump, now isn’t it?
For the last 10 years, women seem to have been regulated to the roles of porn star, or maid, or mother, propped up by false breasts, and plastic surgery, portrayed as second class gold diggers, not equal to men intellectually, not equal in the “hard disciplines” of math and science. THIS, in the 21st century, in America! Remember that Harvard kook who surmised women might be genetically inferior because of less ostensible achievement in math and science? (Well, let’s see, all words and numbers signify relationships, all at a quantum level. Is math achievement superior to other language execution, achieving a more exact analysis, a more exact solution, indicating a more logical, superior brain? What is logic, anyway, is it definitive, now? Did someone win a Nobel for discovering all their is to know about everything, because this is 21st century America, and if Silicone Valley can’t do it, well, nobody can…eh. Those mathematicians and scientists sure didn’t win Iraq, now, did they, the AI and CS groups and their belief in the infallibility of their specious science, and warfare. HALO is the war of the future, war by video game! Damn those Iraqis, and their IED’s! Damn chaos theory, they thought they understood! What is this theory of everything, anyway, and how does the communicative structure and relationship fit in? What are the possibilities? Don’t bother them, they’re busy programming in A++, they are the future…heh)
Refusing to even look at other factors, he went straight for some pseudo scientific genetic explanation, looking insipid every step of the way.
Where did this come from, who popularized it, why did the President of Harvard think this way?
Because it was acceptable, it was made acceptable to think in this manner by men like Rush.
No thanks.
In addition, as a real democrat, Rush’s words against “liberals” were offensive, meant to intimidate and drown dissent.
Same with the use of the word feminazi.
I have far more problems with him, and Camille Paglia, than I do with Rhodes.
How can we be really surprised by the blog sexism after witnessing the war waged against women over the last 10 years by certain media types?
And I don’t want to hear how difficult their Moms were, I’m not interested in their sexual inferiority, and fears, the usual food pornography, their infantile narcissism, just like those who went before.
( And Rush and the torture of Middle Eastern innocents? Don’t get me started…)
Sorry for the rant, Rhodes was out of line, most definitely, but her drunken rant did far less damage than Rush or Howard or any other intellectually subpar boy we’ve been subjected to over the last 15 years.
And Camille Paglia is the true woman hater, the true misogynist, the true self hater.
Women have issues with women, no doubt, but don’t buy into the shit they’re selling.
It isn’t an us v them, it’s tolerant decent people v a bunch of stupid, pseudo intellectual self hating bigots, trying to manipulate and inflame our differences.
Thanks again, Simon, for getting to the REAL issue. The fact that Randi, even in her obviously inebriated state, could think this was OK, goes right back to the long-term process you discuss.
Simon,
You get now argument from me about Limbaugh, Stern, I wish they’d all go away from the public airways. They are responsible for the lowering of public discourse into crude and offensive language. Paglia is an overly intellectual, academic nutjob. She’s an example of what happens to someone whose life experience revolves around what she’s read in books. And she’s dotty, too!
Rush Limbaugh has a hard time with women. How many times has he been married again? He’s not very good at it is he? I would guess that Rush Limbaugh is inadequate in every sense of his personal life. You can hear it in his voice, you can see it in his face. He despises women and in the end they take him to the cleaners. In his mind, they are vile for taking him to the cleaners. But I bet that everybody around him understands why they leave him, except him.
When I look at Rush Limbaugh I imagine a young really fat kid that everybody made fun of. Unlike the crazy nutcase kids of today who open fire, Rush grew up vowing revenge. And he has his radio show.
It’s hard to fathom where self-hating women come from. Why are they blind to Obama’s huge number of faults? Why are they blind to Hillary’s amazing qualities?
I sure have no idea what’s with them.
The whole point of her using those words was to inflcict insult and to hurt. She chose those words deliberately. Parsing what the words meant is nonsense.
Larry, love your work.
And “you deliberately posted that video to get Rhodes fired..” reminds me of Homer Simpson’s accusation when the phone company explains why certain area codes were being changed- “I accuse the phone company of making that video ON PURPOSE!”
This woman is a riot. “How DARE you post that piece of damning evidence?” Hahaha. Too much.
Well Melinda,the argument that whore has several conotations is the lamest excuse I have ever heard. If you want to use that argument the N word could be used in different ways.Most of us are not thoughtless,crass,ignorant,obnoxious……… to use it.She deserves everything thats happened and I can’t see how peaceniks for the big O can believe such bullshit!
Have you guys noticed everything from Obama camp (himself, Michelle, Rev Wright, Randi, etc) has to be put in some kind of context?
I forget who here termed it this - WORM (e.g. What Obama Really Meant)!
If you read the other sites that have written articles about the Randi Rhodes video, you will find that most of the people who comment are like this lady, blame everyone for Randi being in this predicament but Randi.
I have listened to Randi for 3 years and one of her hallmark statements is that “There comes a time in everyone’s life when someone you know will show you who they really are and when they do, believe them.” I think Randi has shown us over the last few months and with this video who she really is and we need to believe her. It’s kind of a sad commentary on the future if Obama wins, isn’t it?
absolutely I agree with this.
I’ve heard Randi say almost the exact same thing too the friggen HYPOCRITE!
And she’s a Vet too!! It just makes me disgusted to call her a fellow female Vet.
I wonder if she was “honorably discharged” or “medically” discharged.
It would explain a LOT!
I think her horrible letters to Larry WERE a type of medical discharge…
It’s all of our faults that we viewed the video isn’t it? The inability to accept responsibility shows the disgrace they feel. They cannot even accept it themselves so they deflect it all onto others. Randi has been going down and that is why I stopped listening months ago.
We joke about Obama supporters being like cultists, but if that isn’t an obvious piece of evidence, what is?
David Koresh supporters could look at a camera and explain away their Dear Leader’s sexual relations with dozens of women and girls, and his complete dominance of their lives, in matter-of-fact tones, and accuse the interviewer of “Just not getting it.”
Then they could turn around and viciously assault anyone who dared to criticize Dear Leader in public or even use his own words as evidence against him. Such people were not even critics to the cultists- they were The Enemy; a Threat to Dear Leader.
I see the same psychology at play with Obama supporters. Hillary is not a political opponent- she’s a Whore and a Bitch and all of her supporters are Racist Corporate Stooges who Don’t Understand. Fairness and Democracy don’t really matter if they get in the way of Dear Leader’s success. The ONLY thing that matters is that Obama wins- everything else is just a silly distraction.
If you are a blogger or a caucus-goer who supports Hillary, you deserve no respect, because you have not accepted Dear Leader as your guiding light. Oh, and you are a lunatic because you won’t accept that It’s Over.
These raving weirdos need to get a grip. At some point, you’d think they’d figure out that bleating “Your Candidate (and her husband) are Finished” until they are blue in the face ISN’T GOING TO WORK and would just move on and let the process run it’s course. But again- the process is not important to these guys- only the result matters.
Because you are obviously a sane person, John, you can’t see that the reason Dear Leader’s supporters are raving weirdos who believe the only thing that matters is that Dear Leader wins is that their devotion has driven them INSANE. They can’t get a grip, they can’t figure anything out…
Even when authorities brought “Father Pyotr” out of the mental institution to try to talk them out of the caves because it was feared they would collapse, THEY STILL WOULDN’T LEAVE.
This whole Obama-mania has taken a life of its own and they don’t even really care WHO their nominee is anymore. They don’t even know why they’re fighting so hard to make him President.
We’re trying to be reasonable with insane people.
BINGO!!!!! I just got done with a caucus here in Washington State and we, Hillary supporters sat quietly and respectfully through ALL the Obama speeches (I won’t go into the weird way they went on and on about themselves and how great THEY were…ehew) but the moment Hillary supporters stepped up to the microphone they got booed. It was a loooong day. Oh and don’t get me started on how the Obama supporters in District 9 bailed and had Hillary supporters count the votes to nominate THEIR delegates to move on to the next level of caucuses. Friggin’ sad.
Of course you did, you’re Hillary supporters…
Wow, that’s incredible!! Thanks, Strawberrybitch, for standing for Hillary (with dignity and class) despite the disgusting behavior of the Obama-maniacs. I applaud your courage and stamina. Just know that all of us here were with you!
That’s something that’s been troubling to me. I’m on the blogs every day (the ones that don’t make me bang my head on the computer), and I have yet to see anyone really go after Obama in the way that Hillary is attacked by Obama supporters.
Yes, Hillary supporters may comment on Obama’s weaknesses and perceived faults, but that is usually based upon information. You just don’t see these character attacks on him as you do with Hillary. Hillary to them is not just wrong, she is an ‘evil bitch that must be stopped’, and so on.
Just as Rush Limbaugh and others were able to create anger for profit amongst right win men who felt powerless, Obama is doing the same thing.
It’s our economy and our culture that makes the average person powerless, but when given someone to blame their anger is directed toward that person. Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, and Karl Rove, all understood that feeling of powerlessness and frustration and they knew how to use it to their advantge to try and destroy the Clintons (who are the biggest threat to the failed republican policies.) Now we have Obama and his cohorts, and the media, doing the same thing against Hillary. The incessant talking heads and 24/7 punditry cannot thrive if there is not an enemy, someone to rally against.
That says a hell of a lot about Hillary Clinton. If you look at the level of anger and hate that’s been cultivated against her, and much of the media using that to boost their ratings, and you realize how she is still standing strong and fighting, you just realize what an amazing person she is. I can’t imagine any of us could continue on after 16 years of public abuse and ridicule.
Many of the people attacking Hillary so vehemently right now have grown up during the time of 24/7 anti-Clinton media. If you do the math, you’ll see how many of the Obama supporters view the Clintons through that filter of having Fox or CNN on during dinner at home as a young teen, when the the repubs and the media were hellbent on destroying the Clintons. She is an object of scorn because they’ve only known scorn. Hillary wins people over when they actually listen to her.. but first they have to open their minds.
It’s basically what Obama did with Wright. Instead of condemning Wright, he laid the blame on America, saying America, not Wright, was racist.
Ms. Shanks-Robbins is batshit crazy, simply put. Rhodes is responsible for her words. Trying to spin the meaning of the word “whore,” while simultaneously accusing Larry Johnson of using Rovian tactics… is Rovian.
Obama ropes people in through emotional appeals, not reason or logic based ones.
This is why a lot of Obamabots like Melinda are the way they are.
Look Obama does the rah-rah Tony Robbins feel good speech routine, little if any content but mainlines the audience with feel-goodisms. The listeners literally get a high off them.
It also helps that the audience is doing a lot of projecting and transference.
Shit like this is a staple of many motivational and self-help gurus used to make current attendees, repeat customers.
Also successful cults.
The downside this emotional intensity doesn’t last very long, typically 12-24 months and the person crashes and burns psychologically.
Never thought I’d see anyone use this in politics the way Axelrod and company have.
But it’s so weird to me that these people don’t seem to comprehend that Obama’s words, which are th only things they have to judge him, are not his words.. they are rehashed from other candidates. He is playing a part… It shocks the hell out of me that intelligent people like Jimmy Carter would actually be supporting Obama, when Obama offers nothing but David Axelrod’s words. I would think that Jimmy Carter would see that this is another George Bush/Karl Rove production… every word, every photo op, passed through the political advisor filter. Do the high profile people supporting OBama really feel that the 30+ flag officers that endorse Hillary are inconsequential.. but Oprah is of some significance in fixing our problems?
His supporters are like.. ‘it doesn’t matter what he’s done, it’s what he SAYS!!!’, but if the words don’t come from Obama, then who are they in love with? Axelrod? Gibbs? the Speechwriter? It defies logic, and it’s Bush vs. Gore all over again.
AKA neuro-linguistic programming.
These people are trying to intimidate anyone who questions their saint snooker-didoo, or whoever he claims on being this week.
Calling women — any woman — what Randi Rhodes said is misogynistic, hateful, and inappropriate. Major corporations that are legitimate should not be sponsoring these people on any level.
Bottomline, this was indefensible and your defense of it is the same.
When I say “your” I mean the female letter-writer who wrote such an over-the-top series of letters.
I’d have to say, it’s the misogynistic women that have been the worst to deal with during this campaign. Maybe because I wasn’t expecting it from them? Everybody grows up in this society with biases, nobody escapes the influence of sexism, but I just wasn’t prepared for the depth of hatred coming from women. Women! I haven’t had to explain why “whore” is a degrading word to any men. They all seem to get it. Some of the women are just downright depressing.
I’m sorry you get crazy “fan” mail, Larry Johnson. But on the bright side, many of us found No Quarter because of your detractors. You can usually find people speaking the truth by following how much outrage they’re provoking.
There is an incredible level of hypocrisy coming from the Obama camp. If anyone had said something similar about Michelle Obama they would have been up in arms and demanding the offender’s head on a pike. But it refer to Hillary Clinton is such vile vicious language is “free speech” in their mindsets.
I think what is more disturbing is the level of low discourse and actual viciousness that has entered this fight for the nomination. Many of the Obama supporters are so fanatical that it does border on a cult or personality.
I’m not a psychiatrist but my theory is that this is the personality type that fixates on an issue or person and is obsessive in their pursuit of some ideal. In this case, Obama’s candidacy. They are probably the personality type that joined Hitler’s Youth Movement during the Nazi era or were involved with the Communist witchhunt during the McCarthy era. These type of episodes eventually tend to burn out, but not before they do alot of damage.
Unfortuantely, Hillary Clinton is their target this time. They are aided and abetted by a large portion of the MSM, who has shown itself to be largely biased and in the tank for Obama.
In my view, this is not really a sexist issue. The issue is that these obsessed Obama supporters will say or do anything, no matter how low-down or dirty, to achieve their aims. Because they have a sense of entitlement that their cause is right and Clinton is in the way of them achieving their aims. The more she stands up to the bullies and refuses to give in to them, the more vicious and vile their attacks will be.
I think that we, her supporters, need to be there to fight back for her and stop the the Obama supporters from succeeding in their thuggish aims. Because you have to push back and stand up against people like this. That’s the only thing that bullies like this understand.
there is a sliver of the left that could just as easily be fanatically right wing. The first moonies for instance.
Also when The Nazis took over Germany and banned teh Communist party a sliver of the Communist activists did fit right into the fold.
The Neocons are also a particular type of Trotskyite as well.
Personally I think it has something to do with the political and theological brain wiring being fatally mixed or misfiring.
Politician as GOD. Politics as theology.
Bill Clinton’s saving characteristic was his earthy vulgarity–I like low company. cards, beer, women, off colour jokes, cars, bufoonery etc. But only if the players are also witty and whip smart under it all.
The piety of Obama makes me sick at times. He’s not enough of a rogue as far as I can tell.
Obama reminds me of William Ewart Gladstone or Edward the Confessor. The pious hypocrit. Bill Clinton was more like Palmerston or Henry VIII. Earthybound common touch. Hillary was trying to be Maggie or Elizabeth I. Iron Lady.
Oh, and I am absolutely furious at Obama. He won’t denounce Randi Rhodes words or even issue a simple statement in defense of his fellow female Democrats, but he takes the time to issue a statement condemning a talk show host for calling McCain a “warmonger”.
Obama campaign: McCain not a ‘warmonger’
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080405/ap_on_el_pr/obama_talk_radio_host
and he’s not really condemning the talk show host - just another tactic, come off looking like a nice guy by saying not a warmonger, then say just supports a war that i don’t….i.e., a warmonger. so gets the story repeated and convinces his koolaiders that he’s a g