Obama Supporters Take the Low Rhode
By SusanUnPC on April 6, 2008 at 12:43 AM in Air America Radio, Barack Obama, Geraldine Ferraro, Hillary Clinton, Obamedia, Randi Rhodes, Sexism, hate speech
| Besides Randi Rhodes’ sexist hate speech at a San Francisco Obama event advertised on Obama’s campaign site — and the hate speech of Obama’s spiritual advisers — there are these two you’ll read all about below the fold:
* Ed Schultz, the radio show host until recently a Republican but is now a Democratic party “expert” on TV pundit shows |
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I wish these people were “exceptions to the rule” among Obama supporters. But, reports of delegates at caucuses and conventions prove their behavior is a too-often norm for Obama’s followers. Someone I know was a delegate at the King County convention today in Seattle, Wash. where the Obama delegates booed so loudly when they were asked to say the Pledge of Allegiance that the convention chair gave up and skipped the pledge. (Maybe they took their cue from “The One”?)
Apparently, our symbolic rituals of patriotism are passe´ — even at official American political party events that decide who will be the candidate for the Presidency of the United States.
BELOW, read what the buffoon Ed Schultz said and what poison-pen writer Allison Kilkenny wrote. WARNING: Ms. Kilkenny’s language is vile and adult denigrating to both men and women …
DISCLAIMER from SusanUnPC: I am not a supporter of John McCain. I plan on voting for Hillary Clinton in November. But we can surely attack McCain on the substance of his politics and his record without resorting to these kinds of attacks that have no place in a supposedly civilized society — the quality of which is under threat from the likes of these people.
ALLISON KILKENNY perpetuates the Randi Rhodes sexist, disgusting attacks in her Huffington Post story, “John McCain Is A Big F*cking Whore.” Here are some repulsive examples from her article:
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Ladies and Gentlemen, John McCain is a big fucking whore.
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John McCain is, in short, a whore.
Matt Welch carefully explains in McCain: The Myth Of A Maverick how the McCain of yesterday transformed into a lobbyist-humping, lying whore.
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John-Whorebag-McCain spent more than three decades living in the Beltway, a far cry from his claims of existing outside Washington.
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If and when the press gets over their love affair with McCain, they’ll realize they’ve been in bed with one of the biggest Beltway sluts. On the McCain bus, there’s no time for message consistency, especially during a campaign season packed with the act of getting down on both knees and suck, suck, sucking until the cash flows. …
If that isn’t sexist filth — even if the verbal garbage is tossed at a man by a female writer — I don’t know what is. Arianna Huffington should to be taken to task for permitting this kind of sexist hate speech on her blog.
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ED SCHULTZ via the New York Times blog:
On the air, Ed Schultz, a liberal talk show host based in Fargo, N.D., is well-known for his blunt criticisms of the Bush Administration and the Republican Party. But Mr. Schultz, a fervent supporter of Senator Barack Obama, may have gone too far late Friday when he called Senator John McCain “a warmonger.”
Mr. Schultz, whose program is syndicated nationally, made the remarks while revving up a group of Obama supporters at a $100-a-head fund raiser at the North Dakota Democratic Party’s convention in Grand Forks.
As is typical, Barack Obama did not apologize for Schultz’s remarks but let a campaign staffer do the job:
Mr. Obama did not refer to the incident during a speech Saturday morning to 8,000 people who had gathered at the University of Montana basketball arena. But a spokesman, Jen Psaki, issued a statement that distanced him from Mr. Schultz.
“John McCain is not a warmonger and should not be described as such,” she said. “He’s a supporter of a war that Senator Obama believes should have never been authorized and never been waged.”
I have plenty of problems with McCain’s persistent support for the Iraq War and the surge, but I wouldn’t call him a warmonger — especially if I were speaking on behalf of my favored presidential candidate at a $100-a-plate dinner! And most especially if my remarks were the top story, instead of my candidate’s own campaign stops.
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It is beyond comprehension how any female could write a story justifying using hateful words that have historically been used to denigrate women.
On the race issue, Axelrod did a survey on April 11th 2007 by having Obama speak out against Imus’s comments and the following day CBS fired Imus! The outcry hit a central nerve Alexrod was seeking!
Imus made a duel remark, sexist and racist, and the racist side prevailed!
Thank goodness No Quarters got the sexist side heard loud and clear against Rhodes! Maybe more will wake up and fight against an injustice that affects 50%+ of the population as strongly as the injustice that affects 12% of the population!
Notebly hardly anyone will stand against those who use reverse Racism as an excuse for their actions, in fear of being labelled a racist!
Actually I believe women are now 54% of the population.
Just in case 50% doesn’t count for enough.
The only majority minority.
WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY? I’m a former punker and even I’m offended by Obama supporters. These guys have nothing on the Sex Pistols, Plasmatics, or Black Flag when it comes to offending remarks. Man, I feel like Mother Teresa compared to Rhodes and Kilkinny.
GOD BLESS BLACK FLAG!!!!
HENRY ROLLINS RULES, WENDY O’WILLIAMS REST HER SOUL!
OI OI OI
I actually named my cat Siddhartha Vicious…bless his little soul too (in kitty nirvana)
They have no boundaries, no limits, no sense of protocol, no rules, no dignity, nothing. They are basically weak minded individuals who cannot express themselves with decorum. They cannot moderate their behavior because they lack self-control. They assume that the entire world wants to worship them for their cleverness that expands the universe. They are the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral. They subscribe to no higher power outside themselves as a high power to them would mean that they must pay allegiance to something greater than their own egos. They are authorities on everything and anything and they need no education from any body of knowledge that they cannot use to their own advantage. If they were to humble themselves and admit their shortcomings, they would grow tearful and frightened as their shell would crack exposing them to their own dread vulnerabilities which overwhelm them when they are alone. They have an intense need to network with others exactly as themselves for any opinion which deviates from their own sickens them and forces them to act out in ways that offend and hurt others who are honestly attempting to make the world a better place. They are energy vampires who could not exist without the constant attention of others.
Good to hear from you again. I’ve just about quit C&L so it’s been a while. (churl)
“Someone I know was a delegate at the King
County convention today in Seattle, Wash.
where the Obama delegates booed so loudly
when they were asked to say the Pledge of
Allegiance that the convention chair gave up
and skipped the pledge.”
I just can’t believe this. Unbelievable. I am speechless. I disagree with many of the things my government does, but I have never refused the say the pledge and sing (off key) the Star Spangled Banner. What us wring with these folks !!! ???? !!!!!
This is scandalous. Obama simply cannot become the nominee. If anyone caught this on audio or video Obama is doomed. Add this to Wright, ‘first time in my life proud,’ ‘America give me something here,’ hand not on heart……….the smear machine will have a field day.
I honestly believe that Obama (their messiah or whatever) was so effective in portraying Rev. Wright as some folk hero that the Obamacrats now think it’s okay to hate America.. or should I say Amerikkka as Wright would?
I hope the likes of Brazille, and Dean, and Pelosi, and Daschle, and Kerry and Kennedy, and Richardson, are completely thrilled with what they’ve allowed to fester and grow in the Democratic Party by not speaking out against Rev. Wright, and Obama’s campaign and supporter attacks.
I guess the uber-hip Seattlites in their Mercedes SUVs with the OBama stickers (I see them all around town), feel that it’s super chic to hate America, cuz it’s about solidarity with Rev. Wright’s righteous anger.
Bullshit.
I came to comment about this too. I’m no flag waiver. But I still adhere to public patriotic protocol like singing the National Anthem and the Pledge of Allegiance.
Obama and his supporters really have to be kidding? Does he think this will give him an edge with foreign heads-of-state? A POTUS that hates his country?
Post Script I cannot believe that people could be so rude and crude. How can one man just tear the Demcratic party and the nation apart like this? Whay has happened? It was going well until right after N.H. Whay kind of man is this that wants to lead America that brings out all this crassness and hate?
The fractures were always there but Democratic politicos always avoided them until Axelrod came along and figured out a way of exploiting those fractures for his candidate’s benefit.
As for Obama, given his 20 year friendship and mentorship with Wright, theres not a doubt in my mind that he buys into what Wright has preached.
You can see Wright’s influence in Obama’s book the “Audacity of Hope”.
On the topic of Randi Rhodes, misogyny and sexism, please read and recommend this diary at MYDD “One Obama supporter asks him to speak out against sexism and misogyny”
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/6/14110/62301
I thought the diary was heartfelt and points to a lot of personal conflicts people are having with this thing. I’m an AA, so I could do an equally heartwrenching diary. I won’t. Why? Just a look at the cold, nasty, tacky, disgusting comments in response to the diary by Obamatons. Yes, they are truly brainwashed.
It was comments like these that made me take the position that I would never support Obama in the GE. I don’t even want to live in a country with people like this. If he brings out this kind on behavior why would I support him over McCain? There’s a tone that is very revolutionary in nature. Yet, Obama is careful not to state any position as to what such a revolution might be about. Just this abstract notion of ‘change.’ These people are dangerous and should be stopped.
That they don’t even realize that there is nothing attractive about bully tactics is amazing to me.
Be warned: I’m a fighter and so are most of the people I know.
“Be warned: I’m a fighter and so are most of the people I know.”
Thank goodness for the fighters! Hillary Clinton is quite a fighter herself, I have no idea how she does it. Myself, I just tend to get disgusted and walk away.
Our county convention in in a few weeks and I am dreading it. So are a lot of other Hillary delegates, but we’re all going and absolutely no one is waffling in their support.
I’ve stopped going to HuffPo — thanks for printing the quotes — they are very offensive.
Senator McCain deserves respect not my vote — but he does get my respect.
The problem with these hateful words is that they can lead to violence.
At the caucus I went to in Feb — one of the Obamabots used his 1 minute (when he was supposed to give us reasons to vote FOR Obama) this Obamabot used his one minute to spew vile hate for Senator Clinton. He was perhaps 17 and he was shaking with rage against Clinton. That kid has a problem, I’ve seen similar boys transfer their hatred to their girlfriends.
Violence against women is at epidemic levels. I’ve read the numbers and they are so high that I just blank out and can’t remember — these are women abused by their husbands, boyfriends and their fathers.
Words do matter — at least Obama was correct in that one statement.
Thanks for the petition — I signed it.
I will never forgive that Huffington woman for turning her site into a Hillary bashing machine. I used to listen to her, but no more! I can only assume that she is jealous of Hillary’s brilliance.
Huffington has made a career of bashing Clintons. She published a book about the Lincoln bedroom during the Clinton White House years when they invited supporters to spend the night there.
Huffington IS super jealous of Hillary, but those sweet Obama, Wall St dollars got her to turn.
I have lost all respect for that woman, Arianna. I will never go back to her site and I only hope all these nasty and vile bloggers lose ad revenue and shut down. I can take the Hillary criticism, but I can’t take the lies, the deception and the desire to sully one of the most successful Democrats of our time. These anti Hillary sites are vicious and quite immature. Good riddance!
I’ve been saying this for years, the entertainment industry has objectified females and sexualized them in ways that have penetrated the male psyche in this country in very ugly ways. Add to that the level of violence in movies, video games and we have a very unhealthy male culture that has emerged in the younger generation.
We’ve been a society that has been evolving sociologically since the 60s. But we’ve not been responsible about educating our citizens with regard to how such an evolution translates to everyday behavior. Hate to have to say this, but a lot of these boys have real issues with their mothers. It’s no doubt that the high divorce rate, low marriage rate that finds women raising kids alone and in the workplace has effected many young male attitudes.
But what’s worse is the generation of young women who are objectifying themselves. For me this has been the biggest failure of the Feminist Movement. The early leadership was too self-serving and too focused on men as the only problem. They didn’t factor in women’s attitudes toward themselves and each other and that heterosexual women want relationships with men. They were also wrong to denigrate the instinctive aspects of female nature which impels women to want to be attractive to the opposite sex along with the natural feelings of maternal instinct which manifests in the desire to nurture within a family circle. Early feminists slammed these things and turned off a whole generation of women that followed.
Women’s Rights were and still are important, and clearly male domination of women as subservient weak creatures needed to end. But the idea that some of women’s basic instincts would end and a completley new woman would emerge has proven to be a costly miscalculation.
Bert,
It seems perhaps you’ve been spared 24/7 exposure to the far-left wing. I can imagine this is truly an eye-opener. I say this because I had the great PAIN and suffered PERSECUTION for my religious beliefs and my straight status whilst living in San Francisco.
And look what we have here: RANDI TOAD being applauded and encouraged to be the crudest, rudest Obamatron right in San Francisco. This country had better wake up and smell the far left stench that is beginning to POISON our entire nation. This is how we have OBAMA! These far left wing dingbats have no allegiance to the United States as a nation and in fact wish they could secede from the rest of the United States. I’m not making this up for effect either. I’ve heard this discussed many times in many circles in SF.
Heck big orange and some associated blogs used have shit loads of these far left nutters. Though they’ve toned it done after the ‘06 elections.
I do remember though when many of them almost orgasmed in delight when Spain and England were hit by Al-Qeada terrorists. Comments like ‘they had it coming’, ‘they deserved it for supporting Bush’, etc, were common.
One would be hard pressed to find a more intellectually and morally bankrupt gang of losers than the far left.
The Democratic party would be wise disavow them if they were smart. They are poison.
Larry has had problems with Ed Schultz, and Schultz’s big mouth. See this story from 2006:
“From Big Ed to Big Ego” — it includes an exchange of e-mails between the two.
See also:
“Olbermann’s Cheese Slides Off the Plate“:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance
SusanUnPC, thanks for posting this.
As president of my chapter, as a CSEA union member, at our monthly meetings I lead the Pledge
“I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
Please tell me there is video of This!
I have never had the honor of serving, as so many have this country of ours. I have a flag that has flown since 9/12/01 on my house and will not come down. If one does not wish to say the pledge, I would not condemn them, but to shout down those who do, is a deep insult and seditious.
These are people who won’t pledge allegiance to this country and are seeking to elect a fraud to the highest office in the land?
I understand the first amendment and it’s scope. This is over the line and an insult to those that wear the uniform, to union members, to anyone that has taken an oath to protect and defend the Constitution nd to all citizens who bear allegiance
Please tell me there is video of this. I am blown away.
Ed Schultz, the radio show host until recently a Republican
Larry is still a Republican.
I could give two shits what party anyone is from.
This behavior from Obama supporters is vile and a frackin sad omen of things to come.
Larry has served this country. That NOTHING to do with party.
I could give two shits what party anyone is from.
Teak,
An issue is being made of Ed being a Republican.
I heard that Carly Fiorina is now the McCain economic advisor. I recall when Larry wanted her to head the CIA. Maybe he’ll start supporting McCain now because he trusts her judgement.
You need to stop generalizing.I’m an Obama supporter and I have never stooped to the lows that some of the people on this site have.
Tell me one time that I have insulted you because of YOUR CHOICE?
“Someone I know was a delegate at the King
County convention today in Seattle, Wash.
where the Obama delegates booed so loudly
when they were asked to say the Pledge of
Allegiance that the convention chair gave up
and skipped the pledge.”
Please forgive me if I’m a bit wordy or overly sentimental here… but that paragraph really hit me, as I related it to something I came across the other day about America and being American.
I read obituaries. Some people do, some don’t. I do. I happened across one the other day that made me think of the contrast between people like those at the King County convention who booed rather than said the Pledge of Allegiance, and the people that stand in a church and clap and holler as their preacher screams “God Damn America!”, and those that defend them. They ask us to accept their angry outbursts, or their teachings of hate and division because America has wronged them. Obama delivers a speech, written by whomever, that tries to guilt us into accepting Wright’s behavior and his association with him because it’s somehow righteous anger.
The obituary was of an American citizen of Japanese descent. He was 70. It talked of his life, and his work. It talked of him (as an American citizen of Japanese ancestry) being sent to an internment camp during the war. American citizens who simply had a particular heritage were rounded up and sent to camps for years, and all of their posssessiona and businesses were given to non-Japanese Americans. They lost everything.
And yet.. further into his obituary, it spoke of his time in the Army, in the Korean War and that he had served proudly. This man and his family lost everything at the hands of our government, and yet he went on to serve the country proudly in a later war.
The families of japanese descent who lived through that are not generations and generations ago, they are here amongst us now. But they are not in churches on Sunday delivering anti-America, anti-”White people” messages. They simply came back from the camps and rebuilt their lives, as Americans.
I don’t want to be part of a Party that condones anti-American rhetoric or actions. I have no use for people that take those stands because it’s the ‘in’ thing to do. Or because they are trying to manipulate people to achieve their political and power goals.
Questioning your government is patriotic. Hating your Country is not.
Thank you Catriley for that lovely post.
Thank you, Catriley, for such an eloquent post.
I am one of those people of Japanese descent who, even after losing her grandfather in an internment camp, still loves her country. Despite losing their father, my uncles fought bravely in World War II and I am immensely grateful and proud of them for their service. I have traveled around the world, and although I enjoyed visiting other countries, unlike Michelle Obama, I know there is no other country as great as ours, and no other country in which I’d rather live. I come from a family of staunch, dedicated Democrats who were politically active and devastated when both Kennedys were assassinated. I am glad that my parents and my older brother are not on this earth to witness what is now happening to the Democratic party. I am sure they would have been huge Clinton supporters, and would have been appalled to see and hear how the Obama campaign has been disenfranchising voters and urging Senator Clinton to step down. My devout Catholic family would have been astounded to see that such an unqualified, elitist, inexperienced man, whose religious mentor was so filled with hate for his fellow man and for his country, would be schnookering so many people into voting for him.
I still have faith that the majority of Democrats (us Hillary supporters) can still salvage the party. I still have faith that the millions of Democrats who have yet to vote are smart enough to see through the Obama hype. And I still have faith that the undecided Superdelegates will see that our only chance to win the Presidency is with Hillary.
I might be wrong. There are days when I’m filled with doubt. But if I can still have faith, after all my family has been through, so can you.
Because I have faith in you, too.
Beautiful, Hillarysmygirl, just Beautiful.
thank you, hillarysmygirl, you’ve got me a bit teary reading your story — and that is exactly what I was trying to convey. You put a very real face to what I was saying. Thank you.
Thank you both.
What in the hell is happening to our party, when a former first lady is called an effing whore and is insinuated to be a racist? By other members of her own party? I’m so tired of this madness.
I have just finished the first of a two-part article on why Democrats should not vote for Barack Obama if he becomes the nominee. It is a fairly personal piece, and I hope you enjoy it.
http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=409#409
Paul,
Very well written article. Thank you. I believe someone some excerpts from Steele’s (sp) book. He wrote of the “bargainer” and the “challenger” right? Did he not also say something about Obama not being able to win?
Where are the so called party elders? I believe they are acting like everybody who’s anybody is antiHillary. Well they will miss all the nobody’s who defended them, voted for them, volunteered for them and gave their money. At the very least they can’t open their cowardly mouths to defend Geraldine F? What an eye opener. Many of us won’t forget this.
Well here we go again, sorry for the off topic comment here, but rather scoop it now
The Rabid Press hounds who love to fight have started calling Clinton a Liar because of her story about the woman who died because of being denied medical attention. I heard her tell the story in Houston and she clearly stated, “I was just told” about the story.
The story was about a woman named Trina Bachtel. And now the hospital is stating the woman wasn’t denied treatment and that she had insurance.
But how would that make Clinton a liar?
Sheriff Deputy Brian Holman told her the story. He has confirmed he told her this story. Holman played host to Mrs. Clinton in his home before the Ohio primary on February 28th.
Deputy Holman has confirmed that he told her the story of Ms. Bachtel.
The Hospital now says it did not deny her treatment and that she was insured. It says it cannot talk about her case because of patient confidentiality…but…it did tell you about her..by telling you that she was insured, and the results…they did break confidentiality.
http://www.youtube.com/v/R_DpvBRa4DQ
Here is Brian Holman telling her story on the morning of February 28, 2008 (or as much as ABCNews Aired) followed by her telling the story later that night. Thanks to a friend in town who shot this video later that night.
Hillary Clinton: “I was in Southern Ohio this morning. Heard a really tragic story about a young woman working in a pizza parlor for minimum wage, had no health insurance. She was pregnant, was having problems. Went to the hospital. They wanted $100 up front. She did not have $100.
SO she left and talked to her friends to figure out what she could do to take care of herself. Problems didn’t go away. Back she went to the hospital. Told again, “got to give us $100.”
And you know this young woman, she finally went into labor. Baby was dead. And she was so sick they had to air lift her to the nearest big city with nearest big hospital. Fifteen days later she died. After how many hundreds of thousands of dollars had been spent. For the lack of $100, the lack of health care. This cannot continue to go on in America”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOlIp380lFc
Video with Brian Holman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_DpvBRa4DQ
Why can’t we all collectively as Democrats put our combined energies toward asking the media to lay off of these kinds of silly stories rather than attacking each other? I thought the Bosnia story was blown out of proportion, and I think Rev. Wright was blown out of proportion. Instead of spending our time going after each other and Geraldine Ferraro, and Randi Rhodes, and Carville, and Richardson, and whoever else we’re mad at because they were mean to our candidate, let’s ask the media to stop distracting people with nonsense.
How many more Americans will die in Iraq while we fight like this? How many more civilians will die? How many people will lose their jobs? How many more crimes will the Republicans get away with while we are all distracted attacking each other?
You want to point out the nasty behavior of Obama and his supporters? Go ahead, I’m sure you’ve got tons of examples. Guess what? Obama supporters have got just as many examples of nasty behavior coming from Hillary and her supporters. Call us Obamabots, we’ll call you Hillbots, and you know who wins? Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Halliburton, and every other slimy Republican who’s hate for “normal” Americans puts complaints about flag pins and national anthems to shame.
Hillary NEVER mentioned the woman’s name OR the hospital. The hospital apparently jumped in all on their own, which would be a vioation of privacy laws. WHY would they come forward? there was a lengthy exchange about this yesterday at TalkLeft. As someone who used to work in the insurance business, the $100 could easily have been a co-pay. In that case, so much the WORSE. This kind of thig happens all over the country, every day. THAT was the point of the story.
Remember, Obama admitted used “composites” in a book he promoted as a true story. I want to know the motivation of the hospital in coming forward. They released private records in violation of the law. WHY? The deputy confirms that Hillary was not told the woman’s or the hospital’s name, and she hasn’t used it.
You are asking the essential question - WHY -did this hospital come forward and say anything at all. That is so strange. Or maybe the even more correct question to ask is WHO is behind the hospital mentioning this at all.
We have to remember this isn’t “THE HOSPITAL” in question. Brian Holman said that after being denied, she went to another hospital.
Here’s his video:
Transcribed:
The other two hospitals
Holzer Medical Center Gallipolis
100 Jackson Pike
Gallipolis OH 45631-1560
(20 miles away from her)
or
Pleasant Valley Hospital
2520 Valley Drive
Pleasant Point, WV 25550
(12 miles away)
O’Bleness is 25 miles away and the second hospital she went to, if his story is straight. He’s a friend of the family I have no reason to doubt him even with O’Bleness because they are the second hospital he mentions.
“Tray Dean Hutton
Publish Date: August 5, 2007
Document ID: 11ADD67882B3F888
Tray Dean Hutton, the son of Tony M. Hutton and Trina L. Bachtel of Rutland, was stillborn, August 1, 2007 at O’Bleness Memorial Hospital, Athens. Also surviving is a sister, Jessi Hutton, Rutland; grandparents, Ronnie & Diane Bachtel, Chester, Oh. and Charles & Minnie Young, Langsville, Ohio; great grandmothers, May Mayle, Pomeroy and Vivian Coy, Rutland; and several aunts, uncles and cousins.”
And Trina Bachtel did die two weeks later in Columbus at OSU Medical Center in Columbus.
SO MY QUESTION
What part of this doesn’t check out?
1. CLAIM: Clinton clearly states “I was told a story”FACT: Brian Holman tells hospital story to Clinton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wqpEt_CdBk
2. CLAIM: She was told Trina Bachtel did not have insurance.
FACTS: Brian Holman did tell her she didn’t have insurance. The hospital that her baby was still born has broken patient confidentiality and said she had insurance. We know nothing about her insurance, if she was charged a copayment, but WaPo reported
So, this information is still cloudy. If she went to a hospital other than O’Bleness as he reports we don’t know what they would have said about insurance or copay. How could she have “thousands of dollars in hospital debt” back before 2005 and now suddenly she has meaningful insurance. I don’t know about you, but my child’s birth (with insurance) still cost us about $5000. We had copayments that really hurt at the time. I was only making $400 a week as a manager.
3. CLAIM: She went to the hospital, and the hospital told her she needed $100 up front
FACTS: This claim still is not refuted because he says she went to another hospital, which was O’Bleness. Meaning we don’t know if it was Holzer Medical or Pleasant Valley Hospital. This could still mean she was being told she had to pay a copayment and he states she “she didn’t have of course didn’t make a lot of money”
4. CLAIM: Well before she got back within those two days her baby died
FACTS: Her baby died August 1, 2007 at O’Bleness hospital.
5. CLAIM: “So they life-flighted her to C…to a hospital in Columbus and within 15 days she died.”
FACTS: Trina Bachtel died two weeks later “August 15, 2007, at OSU Medical Center in Columbus” according to her obituary in the Daily Sentinel (local paper)
6. CLAIM: Clinton told a false story
FACT: No she told the story she was told, and could not have fact checked it beyond the word of the sheriff without going to the family itself and saying “did she have insurance”? But we know that the friend of the family, a DEPUTY SHERIFF said, “her family and them think that if she had had good insurance and stuff and she was taken care of at the first hospital of course that had the medical means to take care of her that her and her baby of course would still be here”. So are now going to ignore the word of a deputy who is closed to the family? Last time I checked, a deputy is considered a confirmation.
It is nice to have hindsight but take a look at the clip of that night shot by a friend of mine that night February 25, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_DpvBRa4DQ
She told the story dead on from what she was told, and there is still no refutation of these claims. O’Bleness can say she wasn’t denied, but that isn’t what Holman said, as he said O’Bleness took her in. O’Bleness is where the child died, consistent with story.
The whole story is still quite intact and it is unfortunate that the Clinton campaign has backed off the story out of being gunshy now, and that Brian Holman’s credibility has been impugned for no reason. He didn’t mention which hospitals or her name, we have hindsight to get this info. But here’s the info, you tell me….what is false about this story.
And will the various press outlets, YouTubers and bloggers update it, or will they continue to call Clinton a Liar when I’ve clearly demonstrated she didn’t lie, Brian Holman doesn’t appear to have lied at all. The story still demonstrates the messed up health system that left a young woman and her child dead within 2 weeks of each other, and a the pain for the family.
Thank you for this info and these links!
Of course the hospital denied this story. They could be sued for malpractice and negligence.
I believe an emergency room at a hospital is not permitted to turn anyone away.
Saying that this woman had insurance is also likely to be a lie. Pizza parlors don’t usually provide health insurance to their minimum wage employees. Unless it was Medicaid, which makes it so difficult for physicians to be paid, having to resubmit forms many times, so doctor loses money for time spent. But where doctors do not have to accept Medicare patients, I believe emergency rooms have to accept all.
All in all, part of our health care national disgrace.
And MSM and Obamas are managing to do exactly what they did with Bosnia incident, which is to deflect from the real issues.
Re Bosnia: Clinton was there participating, contributing to peace, as she was in Ireland and many other countries. And that she indeed has foreign policy experience, and has done important work. That concept has been buried in irrelevant and distorted minutia designed to continue the false meme of her being a liar. And that must be the best they could do after, I am sure, hours of combing through the records to see what they could find.
Swiftboating, again and again, by Obama campaign aided by media.
And the DNC does nothing to stop it.
The hospital story, the same meme, which serves to cover up the bigger disgrace and truth that thousands die in this country for lack of money to pay for medical treatment.
That is the story they don’t want covered.
And the media believes the story of the hospital that gives no evidence and is defending their own negligence, assuming a First Lady and Senator is making it up?!! Amazing.
BTW - As demonstrated above, it doesn’t matter if O’Bleness is denying they denying here….the Sheriff deputy (demonstrated via video) did say she went to another hospital first. So O’Bleness isn’t being accused of denying her.
It would be either Pleasant Valley or Holzer.
I called the Middleport PD and asked where a patient in emergency might be taken and O’Bleness was the last hospital mentioned after he clearly said Holzer, then Pleasant Valley…and a long pause of other communication then O’Bleness, so I’ll take the local’s perspective into account too.
The information by O’Bleness is a violation of patient records, but it doesn’t matter because nobody said O’Bleness denied her.
truthteller thank you!
Truthteller007 put the clip up at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wqpEt_CdBk
I just took a closer look at the photo below the video in this thread — THE PHOTO — that the GOP will certainly use if (god forbid) Obama is the democratic nominee.
This is the first time I’ve seen the photo of Obama deliberately NOT placing his hand over his heart. The guy is running for President and he thinks people are going to vote for him — and he has no respect for the country? There is no mistake — his actions are deliberate.
Why does Donna Brazile and Howie Dean want the democrats to lose the White house by trying to force Obama on REAL democrats?
This photo should be sent to all the Super Delegates — you know the ones who will be on the same ballot if Obama is the Democratic nominee. The GOP will be sending out this photo as post cards. Look at Hillary and look at the bozo.
And then the Obamabots outshouting the pledge at the caucus in WA — for shame.
For shame.
As I understand it the photo is of the national anthem rather than the pledge as some on other sites have said. Supposedly he was taught by his grandfather to place his hand over his heart during the pledge and to sing during the anthem.
Yikes,
No facts allowed here.
its more than a photo. there is a video of him standing rather aloof while the other candidates hold their hands over heart
Obama during National Anthem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwog6E08CFU
(note: whitney houston is butchering the anthem)
I was taught that too. Hand over you heart when you say the pledge - just stand and sing for the National Anthem. I don’t think he was being disrespectful.
I can see and hear the TV ad that will run in the fall. This picture fading to a group with Obama T-shirts and buttons booing someone trying to get a group to say the Pledge and fading back again to this picture with a low voice intoning, “This is the Democrat nominee for President and his supporters. Obama wants to be your President and govern this great nation with people who won’t even plede alliegance to our nation’s flag. Vote for a true hero, a man who served his country and was a POW for 6 years [pan to picture of McCain hand over heartgazing at waving flag] John McCain for President.”
“Writers” like this ALLISON KILKENNY person are simply an example of people who confuse their ability to spout expletives with writing skills. Here was a chance for a young woman to speak out and have her voice and her words heard by thousands of people. And this was the best she could do?
Having been an Army Brat and having been raised on Army Bases, expletives do not offend me. And pinhead can reel off a string of “F” bombs, call people whores, and pretend to have said something important. Actually you can hear the same thing on any schoolyard in the country.
Much of the conversation in this country, to paraphrase Joe Biden, consists of a noun (whore) a verb (fuck) and Hillary Clinton. Now our pinheaded lefty friends have added John McCain to their rants and have found a whole new bunch of voters to offend. Their language does not offend me; I am offended by their total lack of writing skills.
We all find ourselves outraged and angry and sometimes use invective. That happens and if it is not a pattern of expression then it’s excusable if somewhat beneath the goals to which we aspire. We can certainly do better than this female. Is this what passes as writing at Huffington Loves Obama these days? Pitiful.
As for Ed Schultz? Why on earth does anything he says or thinks matter to anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex? He’s still pyst because Hillary Clinton did not come on his program to pay homage.
As a descent human being I just wish that he’d start Slimfast or Nutrisystem soon for the sake of his health. It won’t do anything about the fat between his ears but that is a whole nother problem.
Something wicked this way comes.
The article on McCain was written for one purpose only, to “Free Randi”. Call the Old Man a whore and see? Calling a female presidential candidate a F’ing whore can’t be all that bad! It’s gooooooood!!! Just don’t call the black candidate anything…um…colorful though! We will get you for that! Watch yourselves!
Somebody needs to go listen to that video again and hear what she says after she calls Hillary a whore. This was definitely a sexual remark and monologue segment. But let’s face it folks. There is something very sinister going on here, and it’s not just about what Rhodes did. It’s the whole package that is Barack Obama.
Black Panthers are gooooood.
Louis Farrakhan is goooooood.
God Damn America is gooooood.
Booing and stopping the national anthem is gooooooooood too!
Not pledging allegiance when you are running for PRESIDENT is gooooood too!
White people are baaaaaaaad.
Women are baaaaaaaaaad.
It’s the 60s again. Brought to you by Barack Obama. Batten down your hatches because Bill Ayers is goooooooood too! The hatred is escalating. They want us dead. It all has the same feel, immaturity, divisiveness, hate-mongering look and stench of another time and place. This is just plain evil shit.
Gotta take issue with anyone who says the Black Panthers were bad…I’d suggest taking a second look at what the Black Panthers stood for at the time. Now…The NEW Black Panthers..different story.
But the original Black Panthers did not call for violence, in fact it is clear that they taught violence will only provoke more violence and as the organization grew and matured it rejected Black Nationalism as “black racism”.
The message fit the times, but the organization developed as the country changed its tone and moved away from its ‘militant’ past. Some members like Eldrige Cleaver didn’t, but now, members of the party have rejected the New Black Panthers
Boy, I am banned from commenting at Huffington Post because I support Hillary Clinton, yet they publish a tirade full of vulgar explicit language directed toward a Senator and war hero. Am I missing something? Have the Republicans been right all these years about the left? That we are a bunch of spoiled winy brats that care nothing for our country except what it can do for me. I am starting to question my own party. I can see a very good reason to change my political affiliation to Independent.
“Have the Republicans been right all
these years about the left?”
I have begun asking myself that same question. I have always considered myself left, very liberal, and very progressive. But Obama has made me begin to reconsider. Have I changed? Am I really not a liberal and just humored myself for all these years?
But after thinking on this for many days and weeks I finally came to the conclusion that I have not changed. I am still very much a liberal.
What I think we are seeing is the left’s version of the republican’s or right’s ultra liberal nuts.
Most people look at the D-R, left-right as a straight line with Rs on the right end of the line and Ds on the left end and Moderates in the middle.
I see the left/right continuum as a circle, not a straight line. Rights still on the right and Lefts still on the left. At the top of the circle are moderates (or swing voters), where left and right merge. But the bottom of my circle are the NUT Cases (my pejorative only for explanation purposes.) This is where the extremes lie be they right (KKK, David Dukes, neo-cons) or be they left (radical 60’s types Weather Underground and Black Panthers.)
What I have concluded is that I am still the same, but that Obama for some reason attracts the left nut cases and they have come out in droves. And they have to be stopped because after 8 years of Bush/Cheney and the neocons and the stripping of our Constitutional rights we need someone in office who will begin to restore the Constitution and bring stability to our country. We are tottering on the edge of a cliff and could easily slip into fascism territory. And I am not kidding. An Obama supporter on a different blog just two days ago wrote that we have to round up all the racists, stamp a red ‘R’ on their foreheads. It is scary out there.
Good points, Bert.
I keep thinking how absolute power corrupts absolutely. Facism under Leftists is still just fascism. Having “Democrat” after your name isn’t an innoculation against bullying or corruption.
There are these values we hold as Americans that we have to stick to, no matter what our party affiliation. And there’s the US Constition and a system of checks and balences that limit a president’s power. (At least there was before George Bush.) But those are the things that protect our country, the structure of our system and our values. That’s the part that we need to make stronger. We can’t simply elect a messiah or a saint and assume all will be well because they are a Democrat and therefore they’ll always do the right thing. No they won’t, they’re human beings.
Many Obama supporters are evidence of this problem. I keep hearing “Obama must win at all costs.” Whoah, wait a minute, that’s taking things a bit far. Where are you going to draw the line? Is it okay to disenfrancise voters? Intimidate people? Because if “at all costs” means what I think it does, that’s not democracy, that’s installing a king.
One thing I like about Hillary is that she said she would roll back some of the executive privileges Bush has granted himself. She spoke very well about the balence of power and the need for a strong Congress.
What The Left means is not what the Left-Left means. We are dealing with the very same problem that the Republicans have. A loud faction that is to the extreme right vs. a loud faction to the extreme left. In our case, we had Liberal Party that didn’t get very far as a fringe, so they have infiltrated the Democratic party and are the loudest and most passionate. Loudness and passion does not mean that they are the majority, just the loudest. It is this group that the Republicans now attach the entire “left” to, just as we think republicans are all right wing nutcase evangelicals who want to tell us what we can do in our own bedrooms, who we should worship and how. It’s the counter to the Republicans who want to change the constitution to say what marriage should be, and stick “God” in there all over the place.
Ironically, we are pretending to fight in Iraq for the very rights that both of these extremes would like to take away from us.
It’s the silent majority, too busy struggling to make ends meet around two sides who would take what they have away from them one way or another, who do not have the time or the energy left to fight all of this. They fight at the polls.
Extremism is and always has been a path to destruction. It doesn’t matter whether its a fascist left or a fascist right. Extremism is what has ruined our country in the past 8 years. I fear extremism will finish us off in the next four if we are not careful.