What To Do When The Democrats Ask You For Money
By Uppity Woman on April 6, 2008 at 10:22 AM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, DNC, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi
We all get them.
Those pleading requests in the mail from Pelosi, Dean and other Obama- Primary fixers. While I am not a fan of this Obama-Love site, I have to post this page to show you how “well” the DNC has done so far with fund-raising.
As you can see, they aren’t exactly raking in the dough compared to the GOP. I speculate that this is because more people are donating directly to their candidates. I just want to remind all Hillary supporters that half of those people are you!
Every Hillary Clinton supporter I know has decided to send his or her money directly to Hillary. I mean, why give money to the very people who are sabotaging her? Why give money to people who condone humiliating, derisive and sexist behavior from the camp of their Chosen One? Why give money to people who don’t represent your interests? Why give money to people who encourage sexism and not only ensure that it’s alive and well, but that sexism is thriving, while simply everything you say about Obama is racist. I mean, I was writing a post not long ago and found myself removing the word “colorful”. No kidding! You can’t make this crap up. They want us to walk with two feet in one shoe, worship that mediocre empty suit, and if we don’t, we are racists. But calling Hillary a whore is really OK. Talk about the Audacity of Arrogance - these same people actually imagine that if they Fix this primary for Baby Jesus, we Hillary people will fall at his feet and go with him in November. Perhaps he will offer us all a kiss for a vote. Leland Gaunt would be proud of his charm.
What the Obama campaign and the Democratic Party Fixers don’t understand is, if they think we are pissed off now, they don’t know pissed-off. Our anger today will seem like a day at the beach compared to what we will be feeling after The Fix.
So what was the last straw that prompted me to come up with a suggestion for what to do when the Obama Party sends you a contribution request? Well, as you all know, Randi Rhodes recently called Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro whores. The video of this went viral. So what does the Obama campaign do? In a concerned (tongue in cheek) wimpy “response,” Obama campaign put up a little note at his my.barackobama web site on the page where they previously pimped Randi’s evening with cheering sexists (”Join us!”). The note merely says that the Obama campaign had nothing to do with this event and blah blah blah. To be sure, others are checking into where the money for that evening went.
Here is my idea on what all Hillary supporters should do when they receive contribution requests in the mail:
Don’t throw away that solicitation from The Party! Do this instead:
1) Fill in “$0.00″ on the donation amount line. I suggest a red pen.
2) Copy one of the filthy messages you have seen written by an Obamazoid on one of the message boards we have been driven from. If it’s difficult to pick just one, go ahead and copy a few more. We all know it’s a gold mine out there.
3) Staple the filthy, disgusting message to the donation request–and tell Howard, Nancy, or whomever no longer represents you to get your donation from the person who wrote the message.
4. Annotate the message and tell them you know they no longer represent you and that you are going to go make a donation to Hillary Clinton right now. Also mention that you are not stupid and know that they helped Barack Obama block the re-votes of Florida and Michigan and that you will not tolerate primary fixing.
5) Go to http://www.hillaryclinton.com and make a donation there.
I would like to help everyone do this, but I need your help.
I ask that you copy the most offensive filthy, threatening and/or sexist messages you have seen about Hillary or about yourself and paste these messages in the Comments section of this post. Don’t forget to include a link to the site so that we can appropriately let them know where these pigs hang out, which is pretty much everywhere these days. Participants can then just copy them from the Comment section if they would like. The more filthy, sexist, threatening comments we collect, the better.
The fun part will be watching some of the messages disappear, but it won’t matter. We should be accustomed to that kind of thing. Things change at Baby Jesus Obama’s site all the time. As I said, A fish starts to stink at the head. There are links at the Obama web site that go up and come down and then go up again, depending on which way the wind is blowing. The Black Panthers link comes to mind. So don’t worry about the burden of proof. You won’t need it. The Party will get the message. The important thing is that you let them know that you understand they no longer represent Democracy or You. Let them know you aren’t giving them a dime. Ever. If you are planning to change your voter registration to Independent, let them know that too!
Don’t forget to add a note about Florida and Michigan too! Tell them you won’t accept these states being “seated” after the Fix is In For Obama. Also, if you can find it in your hearts, sign this petition for our disenfranchised brothers and sisters in Florida and Michigan.
Hillary Supporters! You rock!
Off-topic a bit, but I just have to post this:
Gloria Berger on Matthews’s show: “After June 22, the DNC will get all the Superdelegates together and tell them, hold a Press Conference, announce that you are all for one candidate, RIGHT NOW.”
If I were a Superdelegate, and I was “told” by the DNC to decide before the convention, I would tell the DNC to shove it up their asses. Who died and made these people czars of my party?
Berger went on to agree that Clinton was throwing everything she could at Obama to make it harder for him to win in November, so she could try again in 2012– “these people like second chances.”
Andrew Sullivan, asked if Clinton will try again- “Gollum (sic) will never possess the ring.” How’s that for sexism?
Right now I’m listening to Robert Casey Jr. acting like a lobotomized zombie, bleating the Obama talking points- “people are waiting in line in the cold just to shake Obama’s hand, I’ve never seen a candidate inspire people this way, he inspires people of all ages, he’s so inspiring..” ugh. Take a cold shower, Bob.
Do you sometimes get the feeling this Obama strategy was laid out by some media crew about 4 weeks ago, and no adjustments were made, despite the shift in public countenance?
I feel as if I’m listening to a Cheney Bush press conference, the ones where they stupidly assert “they’re creating their own reality,” all the way to defeat.
How’d that work out for them, anyway?
These pundits become more and more irrelevant every day, what a joke, no credibility, at all, media astroturf taking pictures of each other, for each other, but no one else pays attention.
Creating their own reality, indeed…
Is there any candidate alive, in either party, that could take the relentless hammering by the press that Hillary has taken the last few months?
Besides Bill, of course.
I would say no, the Clintons have had to bear the brunt of the hate speech, domestically.
If she does become President, we will most likely have our first near bullet proof President, in terms of susceptibility toward psyops, both foreign and domestic.
And unlike Bush, she won’t have to be cloistered, avoiding emotional triggers in a futile effort to maintain a controlled, balanced environment. This let’s her operate freely in an information ecosystem, hopefully leading to better Presidential decisions, of which she is capable (Obama is not). Mark Penn will not be running the White House, as I suppose Axelrod, or the new Rezko would, under Obama.
She can do the job, keep her sense of self, and grow. She leads, the buck stops with her, not her media teams.
I would say it’s difficult for us to imagine the level of hate and vitriol projected at a candidate, the psyhcological assault, violence, the myriad ways in which a president’s psychology can be affected. They’re only human.
IMO.
And McCain, well, I guess we will see who pulls those strings.
lets, and psychological, sorry, not awake enough yet…
Simon: I want to believe they are irrelevant, but since most voters are woefully uninformed and easily manipulated, it does have an effect. Hillary’s “favorability” ratings have plummeted, and it’s definitely due to the relentless negative character assassination by the Obama campaign and their media surrogates. Also, the “she should drop out/can’t win” meme is causing people to question their vote for her and to stop donating (according to Clinton callers). I’m just hoping she, Bill and Chelsea can get to enough people in person so they can hear her for themselves. Why aren’t there more Clinton surrogates defending her on these shows–are they just not invited for a counter argument? How do we combat this massive PR campaign against her?
Obama also appeared to violate a pledge he and the other leading candidates took by holding a brief news conference outside during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday . That was less than a day after the pledge took effect Saturday, and Obama is the first Democratic presidential candidate to visit Florida since then.
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/sep/30/obama-vows-do-whats-right/?news-breaking
Obama also ran $1.4 million of TV commercials in Florida before the primary there.
The ONLY candidate to do so. And we hear nothing about that. Imagine if Hillary had done that?
I know people in Florida who were shocked when the first commercial came on. And there were a lot of them before the primary.
No campaigning indeed.
This was definitely against those RULES. And the rules state there are consequences for those violations. I don’t remember exactly but it might be not having any of their votes counted. Which would mean Hillary getting 100% of delegates in Florida. Which would put her definitely ahead, give her nomination. Why don’t we hear anything about that? Oh, right, it was another one of those wrong buttons. An oversight, part of cable package. Yeah, right.
Will he use those excuses for incompetence or lies if he is president? No accountability. Again.
When Russert asked Rendell if the fact that the Clintons have made millions in the last few years would turn off the people in Altoona I wanted Ed to say, “Well, Tim, if average Americans refused to trust people who make a lot of money, NBC would not be willing to give you a mult-milllion dollar salary.” It would have been fun to see Russert do his “Buffalo bubba” act to prove he is just a blue collar guy.
No one mentioned that the Obamas make a lot more money than the Clintons did at the same point in their lives.
I wanted Ed to say, “Well, Tim, if average Americans refused to trust people who make a lot of money, NBC would not be willing to give you a mult-milllion dollar salary.” It would have been fun to see Russert do his “Buffalo bubba” act to prove he is just a blue collar guy.
Exactly! If only!
In their social class, the Clintons are poor relations.
If the money isn’t illegal, why begrudge them a comfortable standard of living?
Unlike Obama, and his “Chicago way” of earning income, stealing from the public, ala Rezko.
Shouldn’t voters be more concerned with the possible illegalities Obama may have committed, through Rezko, and others?
And btw, for some reason, I just keep thinking his fundraising numbers are inflated.
I can’t help it if the Clinton’s value to the public is more than Barack Obamas. They, like, you know, actually achieved things.
This whole the Clintons are rich meme is frickin ridiculous. Look at how many taxes they have paid. Look at how much money they gave to charity. Look at all the wonderful things Bill’s Foundation does. Look at how much Hillary does and has done for the less fortunate.
This is all so very ridiculous.
Let’s put it into perspective too: Tom Cruise makes $30 million dollars for one movie. The executive at Bear Stearns who caused the whole corporation to go in the toilet just received a buy out package of $60 million. The Clintons have been public servants for almost 4 decades, and Bill was two-term president. They were rewarded for their hard-earned knowledge in book sales and speaking engagements. And then, they didn’t pay the 20% tax rate of most multi-millionaires–they paid the full rate. Clinton Derangement Syndrome has gotten so bad, someone actually criticized them on TV today for donating to charity, suggesting that “people who do so usually want something!” Hello?! Donating to charity is now considered suspicious and evil…I wonder how much the Hallowed Reagan made in speaking engagements since he left office? And, does this mean Oprah can possibly help middle and low income families because she is a billionaire?
“these people” - can you imagine if hillary used those words?
I posted this on riverdaughter’s site also.
If Barry’s supporters are the affluent,educated group they purport to be, why aren’t they donating to the DNC so their (and the DNC’’s) chosen one can have a nice party in Denver?
Because they are already tapped out from buying votes, paying off the network media and paying for bloggers to attack every single positive thing said about Hillary.
LOL!
Good comeback Flea! Buying an entire presidential election is ’spensive!
What if they
threwcouldn’t throw a party cuz they was broke!Mutiny:
We can put a stop to the FL - MI problem. Take the pledge:
“If MI and FL are not brought into the national picture immediately and their votes counted, and if Obama is the Democratic nominee, I will vote in the presidential election in November only if HRC is the nominee. If MI and FL are returned to the national picture immediately and their votes counted, then I will vote for the Democratic nominee whomever it is”.
If enough of us take the pledge then Dean has few choices. If he makes the wrong choice then Obama will have no chance to be President. Period. The only choice for Dean is to bring FL and MI into the equation, now.
Moments after bloviating about Obama’s big crowds in Pennsylvania, Casey responds to Gov. Rendell’s pointing out that Hillary has won all the big states by saying “look, you can’t predict the general election based on the results in the primaries.”
You can’t make this shit up. Obamabots will say ANYTHING, even if it contradicts what they said in their last breath. Even if it contradicts what they said in the SAME breath.
Does Casey plan on getting a reverse lobotomy when the election is over?
I’m from Pa and had to hold my nose to vote for Casey… I was voting AGAINST Santorum. I’m glad that Santorum is gone, but now we have anti-abortion rights self-rightous Casey Jr who was always a primadonna. I don’t think Casey’s crush on Obama will convince too many Pa folks… I think that the vast majority of votes for Casey in Pa were just votes against Santorum. I live in NE PA which is heavily for Clinton, despite the fact that Casey’s father was highly regarded around here. Scranton even has a Hotel Casey. Fact is, Casey Jr isn’t his father, what he says goes in one ear and out the other around here.
He’s another Lieberman.
Ewwwwwwwww Santorum….shiver…
I don’t blame you. I would have voted for Dracula if he was running against Santorum.
I’m from PA too and I agree with your post about Casey. People outside Pa who see him on TV think he’s zombie like cause he is for Obama….no he’s always zombie like. As you say, his one point is he’s not Santorum
I have 3 suggestions for the DNP:
1-Knowing Axelrod is a master internet manipulator, and Obama claims to rake in so much money each month from his support base, which is mostly college kids, Obama’s campaing should show how these poor college kids are supplying so much money to the DNP, so the DNP can follow suit, or find out Axelrod is manipulating Big interest money hidden in thousands of small donations!
2-Obama called yesterday for a 50/50 split in Michigan, claiming Clinton should keep her word. Fair enough Clinton should do so only if Obama keeps his word over fair campaigning and no “Politics of old and smear campaigning”, and releases to Clinton ALL the delegates from the States he lied, manipulated, sured the race card and stacked the vote in! Well that would leave Obama with Iowa! So Dean enforce the rules and the word the candidates stated throughout this campaign!
3-The DNP releaves Brazile of her Super Delegate status for lying on ABC last week over the rules commitee selections, and Clinton supporters will consider some sort of donations after a fair and silenced DNP leader rhetoric from here on out!
And don’t forget, when you get your DNC funding request, send back your complaints using THEIR prepaid envelope, and do NOT affix your own first-class stamp. The money they are forced to use is money they can’t use to manipulate the process and bash Hillary.
Sorry - I just posted the same thing below…didn’t see your comment! You’re right!
I didn’t give them a dime. Nor will I. And if they ever send me another fundraising survey after what I wrote on the last one I will call them up and give them an ear full. I’m not exactly shy.
I don’t recall Hillary ever promising to give BHO 50% of the MI delegates. She would be a total fool. And Hillary doesn’t strike me as a fool.
Oh, this link from that site is precious: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/04/howard-dean-faces-aggress_n_95122.html
Dean gets pissed at Clinton supporters while asking for money. Clinton supporters in the room say “yeah, well work out a MI/FL solution buddy”
you read Dean’s statement at the meeting last night as to Fla and MI?
Dean said that in his view, the question could be settled only after the primaries had finished in June, and after the superdelegates had made their decision.
Mel, I was about to post that comment from Dean when I saw your post: what more proof that the fix is in?
Dean’s comment precisely says that FL & MI “will not be decided” until is all decided; in other words: MI &Fl will not count at all !
Here are the two links to the Dean & Donors meeting:
http://www.observer.com/2008/more-clinton-donors-versus-dean/
http://www.observer.com/2008/clinton-donors-press-dean-fifth-avenue-bundler-summit
If Dean thinks we are angry now, wait till after the Fix.
Have you seen this?
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/04/03/corzine_reconsidering.html
http://www.observer.com/2008/penn-wolfson-superdelegate-leakage
The DNC pressure is mounting…..
Angry isn’t the word for it.
“It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”
Joseph Stalin
I changed my registeration to Independent a couple of weeks ago. I have been a life-long Democrat so this was quite a sea change in my perceptions of the Dem party and it’s leadership.
I won’t rehash the 2000 and 2004 elections here but there was a very strong feeling that the Repug’s stole both elections. The first time via the Supreme Court decision to annoint Bush and the second time by altering the vote count in Ohio via Diebold’s machinations.
When Pelosi and Reid became the head of the majority in the House and the Senate I was ecstatic, especially about Pelosi.
They had a mandate from the people when the Dem’s took charge to end the war and hopefully, impeach Bush. Both of them have proven to be such spineless human beings, who have repeatedly laid down and played dead for Bush, that I feel an incredible amount of disgust for both of them, especially Pelosi since the Dem’s have a true majority in the House. They haven’t even managed such a basic task as to to get the troops the armour that they promised.
Now we have this fiasco with the DNC essentially giving the death penalty to the voters of MI and FL, courtesy of Dean and his cronies, such as Brazille. These people don’t care if they disenfranchise millions of voters. Their only concern is that Obama win this nomination, through fair means or foul. They are so short-sighted that they don’t seem to realise or care that any candidate that wins under such circumstances will be perceived as illegitement by over 50% of the Dem voters.
It was litterally the last straw when the Obama supporters, such as Leahy and Richardson, tried to push Hillary from the race, and that idiot Pelosi made her biased statements against Hillary. It’s so obvious that the DNC leadership is in the tank for Obama. And they’re the ones that decide how the votes are counted.
I always thought the Dems were morally superior to the Repug’s. But now I can see that, for the most part, all of these politicians are incredibly corrupt, self-serving, spineless, morally bankrupt individuals.
I’m thinking strongly about going independent, now that left wing behavior and right wing behavior are indistinguishable.
It seems like it is time for a 3rd party. The Republican middle is disenfranchised by the religious zealots and hyper wealthy. The progressive middle is disenfranchised by the latte fringe.
I’ve also decided that I will do that if A Fix is done on this primary.
I will be doing the same. Only the day after Election Day.
I can understand why you would want to give up on the party. I felt that way too four years ago when Kerry won. I am sad for our party because we are now in an impossible situation. I don’t particularly like the power that Iowa and NH have in nominating the next president. Even so, there is no way to resolve Michigan and Florida without angering half of the party. There is no good solution to this mess. Count the votes of a state where Obama’s name was not even on the ballot and you will have just as many people angry and ready to leave the party.
The irony of it is that I now see Hillary supporters coming around to the realization that Dean supporters had in 2004. We felt like our party wasn’t respecting its members, and like it was spineless when it came to getting things done. We swore that we were going to quit the party - take our vote and money and go home. Instead we got active. Rather than give up on a party that we felt had abandoned us we decided to work hard to make it better. We worked on congressional campaigns, started Democratic clubs, and started to infiltrate the ranks of those in charge of the state parties.
If you are angry about how the party is behaving, do something about it. Work to make it better.
In this case, though, you have party leaders who were supposed to be better, clumsily trying to subvert the electoral process, by skewing for a fatally flawed, unelectable candidate.
Kerry was not as dirty as Obama.
In our case we had party leaders who were supposed to be better skewering our candidate. Do you lack all memory of how Clinton’s DLC friends and the party establishment worked together to bring Dean down? Gephardt had a picture of him morphing into Osama bin Laden on his website for crying out loud. Unlike some Hillary supporters I am willing to admit that my candidate made some mistakes in his campaign (I was there in person for the scream…yeargh), but we had every reason to be mad in ‘04.
My point is that we were terribly angry at the party and the system. We were very much ready to give up. Instead we got active and it has been rewarding to watch as our actions have had a real effect on the party and on politics as a whole. I am challenging Hillary supporters to do more than complain. I am challenging you to stop whining about the party, pick yourselves up and get to work changing things. You might actually find that we have a lot in common. I’m sick of Pelosi and Reid getting nothing done in the Senate and congress. If you want to work for a strong party that gets things done I will gladly work by your side.
Up to three weeks ago, I would have agreed with you.
After seeing his complete failure and pettiness as leader of the DNC, his complete inability to resolve this issue, fairly, I can only think god the man was never elected President.
I can thank god, too…
sorry…
After seeing his complete failure and pettiness as leader of the DNC, his complete inability to resolve this issue, fairly, I can only think god the man was never elected President.
Have you been reading my mind??
Think or thank him, it’s all OK.
I don’t think Dean should resolve the issue right now.
If the votes are counted as is, a good portion of the party will quit. If the votes are not counted a good portion of the party will quit. I think it makes the most sense to wait and decide how the MI and FL delegates will be counted after the other primaries are over.
I don’t have a problem with him saying that the super D’s should decide by July. That gives everyone a chance to vote and allows them to see where the voters stand. It will not be good for Hillary or Barack or the party if there is a floor fight at the convention.
you have to be kidding! let ALL the states vote and let the SD choose, BEFORE the convention??? hey, we held a fair primary in florida and we DEMAND to be counted!! OB is the one blocking it. the dnc forgets florida but they certainly will get a huge reminder when november comes and we go out in droves to vote for john mccain! the dnc is a joke and ob is running a 48 state circle jerk.
I agree. I am glad he got ditched in his Presidential bid now. As a leader he is a dismal failure. I’m even glad he’s not my doctor!
What brought Dean down was the media, when they removed the loud background from his speech. So you would think Dean would remember how it feels to be set up. Apparently it hasn’t affected his ability to do it to Hillary. And If anybody in the party was hacking at him it was that miserable skull and bones turncoat Kerry, who should go down in history as the biggest ripoff candidate to ever victimize the democratic party.
I have to agree and that’s amazing to me. Either Dean is so petty that he willing to gut democracy to pay back the Clintons, or he’s totally over his head. Either way,he’s a shocking failure
Dean is afraid. Just like the rest of us. Obama mission accomplished.
I am challenging you to stop whining about the party, pick yourselves up and get to work changing things.
I have decided to take your advice. I was going to just stay home or write in Clinton’s name. But you are right, that would just be giving up. So I have decided to step up to the plate…. If Obama gets the nomination, I am going to actively campaign for McCain… maybe then the Democratic Party will, I don’t know, do something like represent the interests of the people (something which seems to have gotten shoved by the wayside again while they have been rigging the system to get their guy elected.) Maybe, just maybe, if Obama loses, they won’t pull this crap again.
“We worked on congressional campaigns, started Democratic clubs, and started to infiltrate the ranks of those in charge of the state parties.”
And a lot of good that did.
No impeachment proceedings. NO movement on Iraq. And a Primary Season that’s turned into a nightmare. And still no sage direction coming from the Party’s leadership.
You are already parroting the Party’s message with Obama as the nominee.
Here’s my response:
WIN WITHOUT ME!
And me.
And all my Garlic Nose relatives and friends. There are only 6 million Italians in the USA. And I could pretty safely tell you none of them I know will be voting for Barry and his spiritual advisor.
He’s not only adept at escaping badly needed scrutiny by using the race card and doing more harm to African Americans then any man I have known in America, but he’s a bigot himself besides.
Win without me and my Garlic Nosed friends.
Did I say that the job was done? It’s not. We’ve met tremendous resistance from party insiders, DLCers in particular. Even so it’s rewarding to watch as change is made. Every time a senator or congressperson changes their position under pressure from the grassroots it’s a huge success.
I don’t think you want direction from the party leadership, when they give direction both sides get angry.
My guess is that the primaries will play out, and some way will be found to count Michigan and Florida. There is no way for everyone to be happy about it.
As for the party’s message with Obama as the nominee, as far as I’m concerned the primary isn’t over yet. As angry as I have been with Clinton and her supporters I have said repeatedly that I will vote for her if she manages to win. Are you big enough to do the same? I am asking you Clinton supporters to do what is right for America rather than just your candidate. I am suggesting that we work together regardless of who becomes the nominee in order to make the party stronger and tougher. I am suggesting that we get a Democrat, ANY Democrat elected and then hold their feet to the fire if they fail to keep their promises.
I want someone to pay for what happened to Valerie Plame. I want Cheney arrested. I want Rove arrested. I want our troops safe and out of Iraq. I want us to take the lead in fighting global warming, I want good jobs for Americans, and for a decrease in the growing rich/poor gap, I want corporations to be responsible for their actions, I want progressives on the Supreme Court, and I want a strong party that gets things done. That won’t happen under a President McCain. When I hear Clinton supporters talk about how it needs to get worse before things get better I’m reminded of the Nader voters who said the same thing about George Bush in 2000. Was it worth it? How many lives have been sacrificed because of his presidency? How many more will be sacrificed under McCain and his 100 year war? Will their loss be worth it in order to get Hillary elected in 2012?
. We’ve met tremendous resistance from party insiders, DLCers in particular
Who is we?
I have heard the arguement that if BO gets the nod the Dem’s will get stuck with the fall out from a rethug nightmare.
I agree that many in the democratic party want many of the same things resolve that have occured over the last 8 years.
When I hear Clinton supporters talk about how it needs to get worse before things get better
News to me. I have not any statement to this effect. Sorry to disabuse you of the notion that Obama will be able to acomplish anything you seek. He simply does not have the intent or ability to do so.
Does morality figure in your support?
Yikes: I understand what you are trying to say, but you–like so many other Dems–are missing the point. It is not “Hillary or no one.” It is that the Obama campaign and the party leadership have turned their back on the most basic Democratic principle: one man/one vote. (And don’t even get me started on Obama hypocrisy–which is another reason I would never vote for this man.) We are choosing not to support THIS nominee–or the party–if they deliberately disenfranchise voters to select their preferred nominee. To say that “it will be settled AFTER the primaries” is code for–choose Obama because he will have the most pledged delegates and possibly the popular vote WITHOUT FL & MI, and THEN we will include FL & MI. Why would we support a party that is committing a form of fraud? For me, this IS an active political statement–that is what conscientious objection is all about. I am not going to support the party, just because it is “the party.” I don’t even recognize or respect many of these people–Kennedy, Kerry, Leahy, Dodd, Richardson. Their self-interest and grudges are vain and immature. I think we need to send them a strong message in the only way they seem to understand–money and votes.
Add me to this list….they can “try” to win without me. Should Obama be the nominee, we won’t have to worry, he’ll loose in the general..the GOP is waiting in the wings, just salvating about all the ammunition they have in the ready…
So sad…another lost opportunity because the media and a “few chosen” want to decide another election.
I haven’t done anything drastic yet. I intend to play this thing out and see what happens. But I am absolutely certain that I will NEVER be considered a loyal Democrat again after this fiasco. If someone wants my vote they are going to have to earn it and I will remain open to all takers.
AND MAKE SURE…you send your message back to the DNC et al in their own postage paid envelope!
There are lots of ways to make them pay!!!
Duct-tape it to a brick first.
Sweet Jesus, but I like this girl!
this sounds uncomfortably like a call for an independent run.
say it isn’t so.
I don’t think it is. Just that we’re not gonna let them use our money to perpetuate their bs. If the party wants our money, then they’re gonna have to represent the whole party and not just one candidate.
That would work for me. Anything to keep this Time Bomb known as Obama from being elected.
Agreed. DNC tilted everything toward Obama from the beginning. There is no excuse for the MI and FL business.
The democratic party has morphed into an arm of the Obama campaign.
If he is pushed on us, it will leave the working class wondering whether we should vote Nader or just not vote.
It also leaves us realizing that we need a progressive national newspaper now that the NYT has turned into the Snuff out Clinton Times.
…..Agreed. DNC tilted everything toward Obama from the beginning. There is no excuse for the MI and FL business…..
Oh well. They must have had their reasons. Gee, I wonder what it could be.
Make something up. Everybody else does.
If Obama is the nominee I will save my money and take my chances in 4 years. I believe Hillary will have a great shot in 4 years no matter who is the president.
Smart move, as spending money on a candidate who has pissed off 10% of the population is like going to the horsetrack and betting on the horse with the broken leg, it is simply stupid to do!
Obama has pissed off almost 100% of life long democratic base. Good luck with that.
I’m a life long, fifth generation Democrat. My great-great grandmother was an alderwoman for the party before women had a right to vote. I’m for Obama, my mother is for Obama, and I’m certain if the previous generations of women in my family were alive today they’d be for Obama too. There are plenty of life long Democrats supporting Obama.
How can you support a man as corrupt as Obama, are you even paying attention to the Rezko trial?
Do you think the job of the President is so easy, even an unqualified stooge like Obama, who has never done anything of significance his whole life, can operate?
Problem is, when a candidate as psychologically weak and as corrupt as Obama is elected, others grab control of the reins, and not always who you think.
Obama’s psychological character is revolting, given the choices he’s made, and this bodes very badly for a future president.
You just don’t accept money from men like Nadhmi Auchi, or allow Tony Rezko to finance your campaign, and buy you a backyard.
It’s my impression Obama has been corrupt his entire adult life.
Call me cynical but I think most politicians are corrupt. Do you really want me to bring up Bill and Hillary’s scandals and choices?
Look, I could go into the details of why I am not supporting Clinton, but I recognize that this is a pro-Clinton site. I see no need to bash your candidate unnecessarily. I feel just as strongly about her as you all do about Obama, but if she wins I will vote for her and be happy about it because this country can’t take another four years of Bush policies.
go vote for obama i wont.
The Psychopathology of Obama will keep Grad students occupied for years.
He is not an original person — he is what his mentors make of him. He is incapable of vertical logic — or common sense.
His advisers are going to have one hell of a bloody fight — if he against all odds does win. He’ll let them fight each other — and perhaps even assassinate each other.
Right now we really don’t have enough information to do an in depth analysis of his personality. We have hints from his novels sort of based on his life.
I get the feeling that he really has no idea what a President really does. At least Bush has some vague idea about what a President does and he is really really looking OLD. The Presidency ages men.
But I believe that the core democratic voter will come through for Hillary.
Once Hillary is elected we need to remember our anger at how Obama almost stole the nomination by gaming the caucuses etc. and change the system so that this NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN! No MORE caucus — Primary voting by Ballot only. Mail in ballots — or voting over several days — whatever system works best for each state.
The Psychopathology of Obama will keep Grad students occupied for years.
I’m sure they are reading this site now and taking notes. The numbers did spike, right?
Once Hillary is elected
Heh. They’re taking notes on those in denial too.
You are entitled to your opinion and your choice. But so far everything I have seen and read about Obama makes me shudder at giving him my vote. Also, as a highly intelligent (if I can be immodest here) and individualistic person, I resent the fact that the media and the DNC are shoving him down our throats without giving us the full information about the candidate — makes me believe there is more than one hidden agenda here not to mention his own incompetence in convincing me the voter. Trust is something you need above and beyond to vote for a person for the highest office in the land with great implications to the rest of the world — we have already wasted 8 years of what could have been (do you know the value of a dollar now?). Obama has not earned my trust.
As a highly intelligent and individualistic person I don’t believe in giving ANY candidate my full trust. As a whole politicians are slimy creatures. Our responsibility as citizens does not end in the ballot box, it is our job to keep them on their toes by continuously informing them of what we want them to be doing once they have taken office.
I don’t choose a candidate based on what the media is telling me, I choose based on their records and what they themselves say. I had no favorite in this election, I had a ranked list of preferences. I wanted Edwards to win Iowa, when he lost I was for Obama. It’s as simple as that.
The more I learn about him, the more I like Obama. I think his wife is fantastic and I like the fact that he knows how to frame his statements to get more people on his side. He is the embodiment of the things George Lakoff talked about the Democrats needing to do to win elections.
what they themselves say
It is what they do that matters.
Yes, that’s why I said that records matter.
I don’t like Obama’s vote for the Patriot Act and for Cheney’s energy bill.
I don’t like Edwards’ votes for the Patriot Act, the war, or NCLB.
I don’t like Hillary’s votes for the war, the Patriot Act, NCLB, or her changing support of NAFTA. Since she also seems to take credit for Bill’s presidency I don’t like the fact that we lost the House and Senate two years into his tenure, and I can’t stand the fact that they created the sellout DLC.
When I stack these ACTIONS against each other Obama wins in my book.
yikes-
You might as well vote for McCain.
Speaking of energy, how do you feel about Obama’s promise to pass a bill so that his consituents won’t be victims of an Exelon radiation leak…again. You see, he promised a bill to make it mandatory for Exelon to warn residents IMMEDIATELY if it ever happened again. Then he watered the bill to make is “volutary” for Exelon to warn residents the next time they accidentally mu