Comments on: Washington Post: Clinton Told True Tale of Woe, Says Kin [Updated] http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/ Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:09:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Barbara Tanzer http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184876 Barbara Tanzer Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:52:20 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184876 In my opinon, the Washington Post story is misleading, including the headline. People need to read it very closely and also to read the NY Times story. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us/politics/05woman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin The Times got it right. WAPO has some of the right facts, but wrote the story in a misleading way. (Ironic, huh?) In my opinon, the Washington Post story is misleading, including the headline. People need to read it very closely and also to read the NY Times story.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us/politics/05woman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

The Times got it right. WAPO has some of the right facts, but wrote the story in a misleading way. (Ironic, huh?)

]]> By: Barbara Tanzer http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184874 Barbara Tanzer Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:39:28 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184874 I don't understand how anyone is saying the story is true. The two key parts of Hillary's story are that the first hospital she went to turned her away and she had no health insurance. Therefore she died. Even the aunt--the only one "confirming" this tale, says that Bechtel <strong>never sought treatment</strong> from the hospital. Bechtel was insured. She had been in prenatal care at O'Bleness, where she went when she got sick. O'Bleness not only treated her immediately, but airlifted her to a more sophisticated hospital for further treatment. That aside, the campaign did not vet the story. They claim they tried, but they never contYacted the hospital or any of the relatives. So, what did they do? ou don't make a story part of the mantra of your Presidential campaign without vetting it. Seems like Hillary is addicted to dramatic stories, true or not. I don’t understand how anyone is saying the story is true. The two key parts of Hillary’s story are that the first hospital she went to turned her away and she had no health insurance. Therefore she died.

Even the aunt–the only one “confirming” this tale, says that Bechtel never sought treatment from the hospital. Bechtel was insured. She had been in prenatal care at O’Bleness, where she went when she got sick. O’Bleness not only treated her immediately, but airlifted her to a more sophisticated hospital for further treatment.

That aside, the campaign did not vet the story. They claim they tried, but they never contYacted the hospital or any of the relatives. So, what did they do?

ou don’t make a story part of the mantra of your Presidential campaign without vetting it. Seems like Hillary is addicted to dramatic stories, true or not.

]]> By: Howie Kurtz’s Unreliable Source : NO QUARTER http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184722 Howie Kurtz’s Unreliable Source : NO QUARTER Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:33:05 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184722 [...] and the video, of Kurtz who parroted unvetted media reports written before the story was fully checked out by his own Washington Post colleague Anne Kornblut and by No Quarter’s Big Kahuna: KURTZ: [...] [...] and the video, of Kurtz who parroted unvetted media reports written before the story was fully checked out by his own Washington Post colleague Anne Kornblut and by No Quarter’s Big Kahuna: KURTZ: [...]

]]> By: Howie Kurtz’s Unreliable Source : NO QUARTER http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184723 Howie Kurtz’s Unreliable Source : NO QUARTER Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:33:05 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184723 [...] and the video, of Kurtz who parroted unvetted media reports written before the story was fully checked out by his own Washington Post colleague Anne Kornblut and by No Quarter’s Big Kahuna: KURTZ: [...] [...] and the video, of Kurtz who parroted unvetted media reports written before the story was fully checked out by his own Washington Post colleague Anne Kornblut and by No Quarter’s Big Kahuna: KURTZ: [...]

]]> By: Z http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184267 Z Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:36:29 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184267 BigKahuna, <blockquote>Casto said her niece, who suffered from preeclampsia during her pregnancy, <strong>did not seek care at the first hospital</strong> she when she fell ill</blockquote> That's where I'm getting my claim from. I fail to see what my medical knowledge has to do with anything. Also, you say "She was turned away from Holzer because she didn’t have insurance. And Holzer wanted $100 that she didn’t have." However, by the time she was pregnant she did have insurance, so you're wrong there. Also, the focus of this article is whether or not Clinton was telling the truth or not, not a judgment on health care. The title makes that perfectly clear - "Clinton Told True Tale of Woe, Says Kin". If you want to have a discussion on health care in general that's fine, but that's not this article or the comments have been focusing on. BigKahuna,

Casto said her niece, who suffered from preeclampsia during her pregnancy, did not seek care at the first hospital she when she fell ill

That’s where I’m getting my claim from. I fail to see what my medical knowledge has to do with anything. Also, you say “She was turned away from Holzer because she didn’t have insurance. And Holzer wanted $100 that she didn’t have.” However, by the time she was pregnant she did have insurance, so you’re wrong there. Also, the focus of this article is whether or not Clinton was telling the truth or not, not a judgment on health care. The title makes that perfectly clear - “Clinton Told True Tale of Woe, Says Kin”. If you want to have a discussion on health care in general that’s fine, but that’s not this article or the comments have been focusing on.

]]> By: BigKahuna http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184061 BigKahuna Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:48:32 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184061 Z, you are incorrect about your made up facts. But before wasting time on your comment, let me ask you.... You say, "the woman never turned away because she never went to that hospital when she got ill." What do you base this on? And can you please give me your medical advice about preeclampsia? This isn't about whether Clinton is a saint or devil. Do you have any respect for the young woman or her child? Your comment doesn't reflect as much. Holzer wanted to charge a deposit for care and as we can now tell from the obvious her death was preventable. You should tone down your loudmouth conclusions a little before commenting again. Trina Bachtel died as a result of preeclampsia. The only way to have prevented this was prenatal care and that is what she went to Holzer for. Her debt as you mention was paid off by 2005 according to court records related to the Holzer judgement against her. She was turned away from Holzer because she didn't have insurance. And Holzer wanted $100 that she didn't have. In addition, I will soon post an article following up on this case which will list others who have also been denied by Holzer and were told they'd have to place $100 deposit down. The issue is placing credit lines above health care. Get over the political chat on this and focus on the real story. Z, you are incorrect about your made up facts.

But before wasting time on your comment, let me ask you….

You say, “the woman never turned away because she never went to that hospital when she got ill.”

What do you base this on?

And can you please give me your medical advice about preeclampsia?

This isn’t about whether Clinton is a saint or devil. Do you have any respect for the young woman or her child? Your comment doesn’t reflect as much.

Holzer wanted to charge a deposit for care and as we can now tell from the obvious her death was preventable. You should tone down your loudmouth conclusions a little before commenting again.

Trina Bachtel died as a result of preeclampsia. The only way to have prevented this was prenatal care and that is what she went to Holzer for. Her debt as you mention was paid off by 2005 according to court records related to the Holzer judgement against her.

She was turned away from Holzer because she didn’t have insurance. And Holzer wanted $100 that she didn’t have. In addition, I will soon post an article following up on this case which will list others who have also been denied by Holzer and were told they’d have to place $100 deposit down.

The issue is placing credit lines above health care.

Get over the political chat on this and focus on the real story.

]]> By: chris http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184049 chris Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:36:56 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184049 I don't think he caught your sarcasm I don’t think he caught your sarcasm

]]> By: chris http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184046 chris Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:36:03 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-184046 Who is "Kieth O"? (snick) Who is “Kieth O”? (snick)

]]> By: Telling The Truth « The Krile Files http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-183687 Telling The Truth « The Krile Files Wed, 09 Apr 2008 01:59:54 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-183687 [...] Washington Post: Clinton Told True Tale of Woe, Says Kin The story that Hillary has told on the campaign trail is true — the tragic story about a pregnant mother whose baby died, and then she died, all because she was denied treatment early on. Hillary is vindicated. Will MSNBC report this? Will Fox News retract its biased report? Will the other [...] Technorati Tags: Hillary Clinton, Hospital Story [...] [...] Washington Post: Clinton Told True Tale of Woe, Says Kin The story that Hillary has told on the campaign trail is true — the tragic story about a pregnant mother whose baby died, and then she died, all because she was denied treatment early on. Hillary is vindicated. Will MSNBC report this? Will Fox News retract its biased report? Will the other [...] Technorati Tags: Hillary Clinton, Hospital Story [...]

]]> By: Rob Gard http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-183432 Rob Gard Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:02:51 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/07/washington-post-clinton-told-true-tale-of-woe-says-kin/#comment-183432 Then you have this story from Chicago about a teen ager shot just outside of the entrance to a Chicago Hospital Emergency Room, and left to lay bleeding to death because hospital workers refused to go outside the hospital to bring him inside (this was not a dangerous neighborhood, it is near where the current Illinois Governor and his family reside). http://www.cnn.com/US/9805/18/unhelpful.hospital/ Then you have this story from Chicago about a teen ager shot just outside of the entrance to a Chicago Hospital Emergency Room, and left to lay bleeding to death because hospital workers refused to go outside the hospital to bring him inside (this was not a dangerous neighborhood, it is near where the current Illinois Governor and his family reside).
http://www.cnn.com/US/9805/18/unhelpful.hospital/

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