Here’s the First Video of Obama on Billionaire’s Row [Critical Update]
By NoQuarter on April 12, 2008 at 7:14 PM in Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Media, Media Bias, Obamedia, Pennsylvania
How convenient: Politico’s Ben Smith reports that this clip is from the video “taken by somebody at the San Francisco event” [check out Billionaire's Row, where Obama spoke]. “[I]t’s the passage just before the lines everyone is now focused on, in which he talks about the skepticism he encounters,” says Smith.
Well, isn’t that special.
Now show me the rest of the damn video.
God, if that was Hillary making that gaffe, and the actual quote was missing from the video, they’d accuse her of Nixonian trickery with the video camera, and the videographer of being Rosemary Woods. UPDATE below:
UPDATE: YOU SEE, those small-town Pennsylvanians are just too small-minded and too bigoted to get big idea, brainy Barack.
Perhaps it’s just because this is new — it’s the first time I’ve seen these remarks at that billionaire’s row event in San Francisco — but I find this even worse.
He’s saying that white people in small-town America don’t have the sophistication or the mental acuity to “get” him. Because he’s black (and those bigots will NEVER be able to “get” what a black man is saying).
Then the millionaires’ and billionaires all laugh at his put-down of the small-minded small-town white people in Pennsylvania. (Well, they won’t be laughing in November if he’s the nominee.)
He’s also, as I said in a post below, laying out his excuses to his rich benefactors for why he can’t win Pennsylvania.
Which brings up the inevitable question: If he can’t win essential states like Pennsylvania — and all the other major “blue” states that Hillary has won convincingly — how in the hell do he and his elitist benefactors presume that he can capture those must-win states against the centrist war hero John McCain?
I wanted to write about this National Review commentary in a separate post, but it’s important that you all see this, and discuss this now:
The McGovernization of Obama [Victor Davis Hanson]
I still believe that by August, Obama, the half-term rookie Senator, will have become the second George McGovern. Cf. his latest declaration to the Marin County faithful (coming on the heels of the crazy anti-Semitic rant of Rev. Eric Lee, a prominent LA Obama supporter): …
THIS IS WHY you can’t let a bunch of young kids and latte elites be the ones who get to select the Democratic nominee! You have to be able to appeal to the bedrock Americans who comprise the majority of the reliable voters in this counry.
Hillary can get those “bedrock” votes. Barack cannot.
But he’s already paved the way for the excuse for his sure-to-come losses: They couldn’t “get” him because he is black. Because they’re too bigoted and, as we’ve already heard in the first set of comments, too narrowly focused on single issues like guns and religion.
The limousine liberals won’t be affected by his loss in November. They’ll get to blame those bigoted small-town folk while their extremely comfortable lives will continue. But the millions of economically middle- and lower-class Americans will suffer. The millions of people whose Hillary’s far more encompassing economic relief and heath care proposals would truly benefit.
(Special thanks to Andy for locating the video with better audio.)
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Original post: And that reminds me of Big Tent Democrat’s most excellent post this afternoon on the media’s continued bias against Hillary and for Barack. Mind you, BTD leans towards Obama and, I believe, voted for him in a primary. But, unlike the subject of his criticism, Ezra Klein, BTD has the rare capacity to see beyond his own preferences and call out the media, and other bloggers, for their inconsistencies. To wit:
Ezra Klein is now upset about the Media coverage. Obama is getting hit so it bothers him now:
It’s not damaging because we think it foretells him doing something harmful to the country. It’s not damaging because it suggests his policy agenda is poorly conceived, or his priorities are awry. If you think of policy and politics as two circles in a Venn diagram, this is damage that only exists in the politics circle, and doesn’t even come close to the area of intersection.
Indeed. Funny how Ezra Klein, noted health care blogger, has not a WORD of concern about how Hillary Clinton was falsely smeared on the Trina Bachtel story. Even though Hillary Clinton was actually making a substantive point about an actual issue (indeed, one Ezra claims to care a great deal about), health care. Paul Krugman noticed. Ezra Klein chose not to. …
BTD reminds us of Eric Boehlert’s thoughts on how Sen. Clinton has been covered:
What’s happening online now is potentially dangerous: HRC has gotten dreadful press, not fair, “gotcha,” and so on — there’s a portion of the blogosphere that has ignored that and there’s a portion that has encouraged that.
It’s dangerous because the media criticism has to be consistent and relentless, and we can’t very well say, “You can’t go after our candidates … except this one.” I get nervous about pushback regarding disingenuous coverage - our response needs to be, “You can’t treat Democrats this way.” When people in the left blogosphere are quoting an anonymous Matt Drudge source, it makes me nervous.
Read all of BTD’s post, “The Blogosphere Has Its Comeuppance? Boehlert’s Revenge” and the interesting comment thread.
BTD replies to others’ comments about his story. Here’s one of his better responses:
I think his [Obama's] statement is a political gaffe. that is what it is. the reporting has been accurate. You can not tell people how they should feel about it. They will react as they react. Obama should not have said it, imo, not because it means anything policywise, but because it was politically stupid.
What I can not stand is Ezra Klein’s smarmy newfound concern about media coverage after he stood silent as Hillary was falsely smeared by the Media and Left blogs on the Trina Bachtel story - a story with very serious policy implications about an issue Klein claims to care about - health care.
Sorry, on this, Ezra comes across as a clownish cartoon to me. He is no better than a Wingnut.
In the meantime — until we see the rest of the damn video, dammit — we are treated to the spectacle of the Obama campaign using the infamous “kitchen sink” approach to their desperate backtracking on Obama’s gaffe. From Mark Halperin:
Campaign also lashes back in written statement citing Bosnia, lobbyist ties, and other Clinton vulnerabilities that have nothing to do with what Obama said. Read full statement here.
Ah yes, from the campaign that decried what they called the “kitchen sink” attack approach by the Clinton campaign.
Hey those must be all those “little people” he says he gets all his money from, right?
Uh, right.
I read a great post a while ago about how that is an urban myth: That a good percentage of his money comes from big-moneyed contributors. But I’ll be damned if I can remember where I read that.
Here it is Susan, no charge!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/10/AR2008041004045.html?hpid=topnews
Yup it’s a myth he started too. “I get all my money from YOU!”.
(raucuous hooting and yelling of YES WE CAN! OOOOOOO BAAAAAAAAAA MAAAAAA!!)
Obama’s traveling con show. Step right up…
“We won’t be lectured on being out of touch by Senator Clinton, who believes lobbyists represent real people and is awash in their money and who can’t tell a straight story about her lengthy record of supporting trade deals like NAFTA and China that have devastated communities in Pennsylvania and Indiana. She won’t change the broken Washington system that all too often leaves American workers behind, but Barack Obama will.”
Lobbyists Obama, like your entire Campaign Finance Commitee is made up of Lobbyists you mean?
NAFTA, like how you sent Goolsbee to tell Canada it is just campaign rhetoric and not to worry about it?
Change Washington Obama will, how by leaving an empty chair in the Whitehouse like his commitee he accepted Chairman of being on NATO and Europe?
Is the Obama campaign drinking from the kool aide tap again?
I find it less than even remotely likely that someone’s video camera just failed at this point. I want to see the missing 18 minutes.
the 18 minutes went the way of Nixon’s 18 minutes, opps!
The entire audio is on Huffington….all 51 min.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-exclusive-audio-on_b_96333.html From the woman who broke the story.
If that’s the same audio I listened to last night, it was just awful — the sound quality was terrible.
I’ve asked our video whiz C.S. if he can clean up the sound somehow. He’s going to try.
I HAVE AN UPDATE VIDEO — GOING UP IN A COUPLE MINUTES.
I think you accidentally added the same video.
It was the same one…. thought I’d found more. Ah well. The audio is better on the second, it seems.
Beautiful, Susan. This definitely needs to get pushed out there…images are worth a thousand words i.e. Kerry windsurfing, it’s unsettling on many levels…this is the environment where Obama found the solace to let it rip on average, every day Americans (like the ones in the pictures running like zebras to park the cars of Obama’s teeny donors). Striking:
Of course they aren’t telling the truth. They are the Obamas. Honor and integrity doesn’t work into their equation.
Video sounds much better now, thanks! WHen in doubt, mention race.
About Obama remarks in CA, Mudcat Saunders says, “It could mean he’s rendered himself unelectable….This is a perfect example of why Democrats lose elections.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/us/politics/13campaign.html?hp
Wow … an amazing article. And in typical BO fashion, the lashing out is in place of taking responsibility. With Wright, WE were the problem, with this latest gaffe, WE don’t get what he meant.
He’s the first candidate I can remember who placed all of his failings on voter reaction. Does he understand that he’s supposed to be applying for a job and that it is customary not to stick his finger in our eyes?
So if we don’t get him then its our problem. No Mr. O its your problem. Funny how in 1932 people without much education got Roosevelt, a well educated super rich man who didn’t talk down to the electorate. Yes they voted–young and old, rich and poor, women and men, black and white. He won in a landslide. The difference between Roosevelt and Obama is that Roosevelt genuinely wanted to make people’s lives better and end the Great Depression and Obama just wants to get in before people see what a fraud he is.
Sorry but people already get it. You can’t fool all the people all the time. Lash out and buy that expensive Arugula–or better yet buy a lettuce like the rest of us Archie Bunkers. WHATEVER
Mudcat had raised some valid points, and is on the money here.
Imagine that I am a white 60 year old female running for President of the United States and I go to a wealthy white suburb of Chicago to give a fund raising speech with an excerpt as follows:
. . .You go into these inner cities in Illinois and, like a lot of inner cities in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these cities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to churches, conspiracy theories about AIDS and drugs, music, basketball and Nikes or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”. . .
Now the word gets out through a reporter who attended that I have given this speech. What do your think would happen? (And what has happened with the parallel Obama statements?)
1. My supporters would say – “Right on.” It’s true isn’t it.”? (Obama supporters claim this.)
2. Black people in Chicago would be pissed? (Are people in PA pissed?)
3. My opponents would use this against me? (Hillary and McCain have done this)
4. My opponents would be criticized as being ridiculous for using this against me? (Yes, Obama and the media did this.)
5. A TV commentator would say that the inner city of Chicago is a breeding ground for Al Queda? (Jack Cafferty did this.)
6. I would loss the election because of my stupidity? (We hope.)
7. I would win because everyone would feel guilty for the way people attacked me because after all, I am a women? (We hope not.)
8. I would weasel out of what I said by claiming over and over againin a loud voice how angry people in America are and should be? (Obama did this, focusing only on the anger part and not the put down part.)
9. I would neglect to say that I really thought black people were stupid which is implied in my remarks. (Of course, we can’t say something like that and be President of the USA or a decent person)
North Carolina has decided to weigh in on the controversy as well. Here is an open letter they sent to Obama today:
Check out: http://bluenc.com/big-names-small-towns for all the details.
Whoa. Coward Dean and Donna Brazille must be having a really bad weekend.
Ouch.
Truth is our most powerful weapon.
The laughter from the elites is sickening. Obama uses races as casually as Bush uses the flag. He’s shameless.
Who the hell is he talking to when he faces away from the camera, theres no one behind him. Can he not look people in the eye when he’s spewing bullshit.
Obama learned well from 20 years of attending Rev. Wright’s Church where its always someone else
s fault.
The laughter from the elites is sickening. Obama uses race as casually as Bush uses the flag. He’s shameless.
Obama’s Myth of Popular Money
Dmchicago…very good point…
I made one minor change
He was not in a room of rich people…..
PILGRIM: Mayhill, please set the scene for us. What kind of a crowd was assembled here, first of all to set the scene, the context of these remarks.
FOWLER: This is a fundraiser, the fourth in the day. This last Sunday in San Francisco and Marin and the South Bay in California. And it was at a house in Pacific Heights. There were maybe 350 to 400 people there. Quite a crush. Quite a crowd. These were people that had maxed out their donations to Senator Obama and among that group is myself.
PILGRIM: How would you characterize them, prosperous, middle class, wealthy, what category?
FOWLER: That’s a very good question. You shouldn’t have the impression these were very wealthy donors. These were mostly middle class and upper middle class who, I’m guessing, like myself, had slowly given money over time to Senator Obama until they reached the $2,300 cap.
There was the wife of an army surgeon. There were Safeway grocery store union workers. There were professors, there were house wives, it was quite a cross-section of prosperous California.
PILGRIM: And they had maxed out their $2,300 donations.
Source:LOU DOBBS TONIGHT
Senator Obama’s Small Town Remarks Largely Criticized
http://tinyurl.com/3zqeap
Now if I am wrong I am sorry but he was not in a room of millionaires’ and billionaires according to this transcript. This mistake is being repeated over and over. Maybe you have a source that says different than what I have found.
If they can give $2,300 to a presidential candidate, I think it is fair to say they are not suffering one bit…they are NOT the folks that he was looking his nose down too, that is for sure.
Sam,
I thought this site checked the facts before they put something up. I see now they don’t. It just makes them look bad and makes Hillary look bad also. Anyone can make up a story, I like facts in mine. I find a story with facts goes further in making a point.
The fact is also that he was among a group of people that evidently found his comments humorous at the expense of someone else.
Randi Rhodes also found an audience that laughed when she called Geraldine Ferrero and Hillary Clinton F’n Whores. So far Obama has not said anything to refute those remarks made by his rabid supporter. The great united Barack Obama loves nothing better than to divide people.
Why don’t you encourage Obama to expose the fact that $2300 donors are poverty stricken and need more capital gains relief.
You could provide the facts. Median income….
Penn $43,714
KY $37,046
NC $40,863
IN $43,217
CA $49,000
and SF……. $57,496. Give me a break….SF, is in one of the 4 wealthiest counties in California. Middle and upper middle class is different here than in the rest of the country.
google is your friend.
Yes google IS your friend. Now go look up Pacific Heights, which is where the fundraiser was held. Here let me help you.
http://www.sfgate.com/traveler/guide/sf/neighborhoods/pacheights.shtml
Let me know when you get to the part about the mansions.
The facts are what he said and where he said it (the Getty’s). That is what this post and the story is about. That is what is outrageous.
You worry that maybe not all attendees were “billonaires” ? Ok. maybe not all there were billonaires like the Getty’s and some of his friends. Maybe others were only millonaires.
Do you really believe that someone that over a year can donate 2,300 to a campaign is the same as being invited to Getty’s mansion on what is known to be Billonaire’s Row where you had to put on the spot the 2,300 per capita (that’s why they bring the kids by the way) ?
Who do you believe got an invitation from Mr &Ms Getty to such an exclusive event?
Info from San Fransisco Chronicle online (Leah Garchik) and
http://www.zombietime.com/obama_visits_billionaires_row/
and links therein.
That zombietime site that you just linked also has great photos and description of people arriving at the event, shows parking valets running to park cars blocks away, then running back for the next one.
I couldn’t tell from the pics exactly how rich these people are but clearly they are more than middle-class.
Poor and middle America don’t max out for presidential hopefuls as a rule do they now?
Uh,I’m sorry but people who are able to contribute $2000 to a politician would be considered rich by just about everyone. Let’s try to look more elitist and out of touch.
Professors aren’t even close to prosperous. Most would be in the $20 to $50 giving range.
Yeah, but I bet they borrowed a couple grand from the grocery store workers or Army spouses.
blobert,BloggerBoyz,Sam
Listen… I am a Hillary supporter, I think it is going a bit to far saying they are millionaires and billionaires. This thing has been going on over a year. 2,300 is not a lot to give in 14 or 16 months. A lot of people are maxed out and can’t give to Hillary anymore and they are not millionaires and billionaires. Would you want this said if the tables were turned?
People bring checks from friends, and employees, and from their own children, to these events to circumvent the limits. It’s called “bundling.”
I wouldn’t care if the tables were turned, 30 year dem. The point is, $2300 is a damn lot of money. I don’t know anybody who could afford that even over a two year period.If we’re trying to make a case that $2300 donors aren’t wealthy, we look like out of touch elitists. There are many people in America who can’t even imagine having that much disposible income. It may not be rich to you, but it is to millions of Americans. So getting into a big throwdown over how much disposible income makes a person wealthy when most people plan ahead for $20? Pointless
Why didn’t Obama tell people in one of the small towns he’s talking about — how bitter they are and how they won’t open up to someone like him? NO he hasn’t got that kind of courage. He goes across the country gets his big bucks and then tells the crowd how hard it is to run in some of these small towns where the people just don’t get him.
Yeah, get Obama to expose the fact that $2300 donors are poverty stricken and in dire need of capital gains relief.
30 yrDem,
From Fowler’s description of the event on HuffPo, she writes “Obama made a problematic judgment call in trying to explain working class culture to a much wealthier audience.’
A “Much wealthier” crowd meeting in a home in Pacific Heights, with people from SF and Marin means these were people of means. And that it included a Safeway union worker (what does that mean, anyway?) and the wife of an Army surgeon does not mean otherwise.
FOWLER: That’s a very good question. You shouldn’t have the impression these were very wealthy donors. These were mostly middle class and upper middle class
30yr, I don’t know if you live in or around SF, but no one lives in PH who isn’t very well off. Fowler calls them ” middle class and upper middle class.”
I’m not sure why this worries you so. I thought the “Billionaire” title was a funny exaggeration. Billionaires don’t go to fundraisers–fundraisers go to them.
I know and love SF but I could not afford to live there and I’m middle class.
Susan, I think Victor Hanson’s piece is brilliant. He was (and maybe still is) an academic who ran a family farm. He’s very conservative but he knows from what he speaks.
30 yrdem:
and we should accept Fowlers judgment on this why?
The Army surgeons in my neighborhood are wealthy. Don’t let anyone fool you on that. Wealthy would be a 3,000+ square foot new house in a gated community, a few Hummers, a vacation home, and trips to Hawaii a few times a year, private schools for the kids. I’d say that would be considered “wealthy” by most standards.
Man, do you live next to the Berverly Hillbillies? 3,000 s.f. home around these parts would set you back a half mil at the low end.
I maxed out with Hillary at $22.55. The Gringo wanted to spend it at the Golden Coral.
So the family and I are going to go pick up some shotguns this weekend, take them to church before we go drag racing. Bitterness is manly work ain’t it?
Go alway little tiny john
Half truths.
It depends on Fowler’s definition of middle-class and given thats it was held in uber wealthy Marin county, middle-class is probably considered those with six-figure incomes.
It would be more believable if it was held in Bakersfield.
Still it boils down to this, these are not a cross section of typical Californians but very well heeled folk. Anyone whose been up there knows that.
Also people who can afford to drop $2300 for political donations are not middle-class period. They do not have that kind of disposable income to waste on a political campaign.
Look, even if its done over the course of a year, it still amounts to $200 a month. Which is a lot of money if you got a family to support on say $45-55k a year.
IMO Fowler was lying out her ass. Much like Cafferty, Toobin and Blizter have been doing since this story broke.
rwc :
Exactly; I think that you summarize it pretty well.
And let’s not leave out the pitiable Gloria Borgia
It was held in Pacific Heights.
http://www.sfgate.com/traveler/guide/sf/neighborhoods/pacheights.shtml
This privileged, elegant neighborhood embodies Hollywood’s vision of San Francisco, and its blocks of Victorian mansions and its Cinemascope views of the Bay and the Golden Gate Bridge make the area a perennial favorite with visitors to the city.
The problem for Obama is that he stood there and attacked one segment of Americans to another segment of Americans. This is a no no. He made small town people seem foolish. Now he’s the one looking like a fool. First rule when running for the Presidency is to like the people in the country you want so badly to represent.
I guess Obama’s tired. Kinda like the Bataan Death March for him. By the way, Vets are still furious over that thoughless comment.
exactly. rather than argue over the precise degree of wealth owned by the contributors at this particular event, how about just the basic picture of this guy campaigning in pennsylvania pretending to be a regular guy and trying to bowl, then going to san francisco and talking about the pennsylvanians to other people (in a setting where he didn’t know he was being recorded) and referring to them as “they” do this, “they” think that, (all of it negative). almost like referring to another species, a lower level one at that. shows that he’s more than willing to kiss our behinds then talk about us behind our backs.
i guess that’s what regular people are to obama - a different and lower species.
I got that from the bowling thing, too. Surprised that nobody picked that up. But then, the media wouldn’t, would they?
The guy bowled 37, meaning he probably never bowled in his life.
But that’s not the problem. He doesn’t have to bowl. Problem is that he truly believes that the people will vote for him if he fools them into he’s one of “them”. He has no clue that what the working people want are real programs, solutions to the economic turmoil going on around the country, which comes from an elite wealthy government that caters to a 1% constituency and leaves out the rest of us.
So the bowling thing was undervaluing people’s ability to know the difference.
Seems Fowler was telling a lie. Here are photos of the event. I can’t get the link option to work so you will need to copy and paste the link
http://www.zombietime.com/obama_visits_billionaires_row/
The fundraiser at the home of Ann and Gordon Getty, on what has come to be called “Billionaires Row,” reputed to be the wealthiest block in the world.
Well the link tool worked so just click and see.
Here’s a play by play photo description. You decide.
http://www.zombietime.com/obama_visits_billionaires_row/
Interesting. I searched YouTube with the terms “Obama San Francisco” and chose those posted in the last week.
Found this one:
But when I click on it, I get a message that the user has removed the video. Wonder what he had up. There are several more videos but they all seem to be about the now-infamous quote.
These wealthy people never met a problem they couldn’t buy the self-serving answer to.
Here’s an interesting, balanced piece from The Moderate Voice blog:
“Democratic And Republican Critics Say Blast Obama’s “Smalltown” Comments Calling It Presidential Disqualifier.”
Don’t even read any of the comments there though … the kiddies are all out and the language is foul.
Well it is getting late, I need to go clean my gun and make it all shiney, after all it is church day tomorrow, and I need go listen to my preacher spew his “god Damn America” sermon while I am praying I find me some road kill to feed my family a nice hot meal while I tend to my moonshine while hopin to shoot me some Washington Fed agent, but tomorrow I even settle for me to shoot some lyin politican who don’t relly like me, but enjoys lookin down his big ole nose at me, usin me as an example of a bitter person!
What you doin’ on some fancy blog, you hick bumpkin? Thems Internets ur fer the rich folk … whooopppsss … thar’s a squirrel. Kapow!
Great comment Mel. — Kind of hard to eat the road kill when your front teeth are missing. ^5
The posturing “professor” speaks of “successive” administrations …. who other than Bush, Clinton, Bush is he talking about?
He’s more than just a little disengenuous when he talks about “job losses for 25 years” as though it has been (excuse the plagerism) the bataan death march of job loss. God only knows where the young(er) Obama was during the Clinton years, but job prospects were good at that time.
The fact that Gore got f+++ed in 2000 and that Kerry couldn’t close the deal in 2004 is somehow the fault of the working class that votes guns, faith, and anti-immigrant? Is that the pathetic point he was trying to make in his breathless arrogance? So, since the Dems haven’t had a strong candidate and people have voted for a Republican, he’s the antidote … From where I sit — here in my gun free Ohio home — he is the second dose of John Kerry and a total non-closer against McCain in November.
I could spit nails when I think about him going into that room full of smarmy rich assholes and badmouthing where I came from, like an anthropologist making theoretical pronouncements to his defense committee about the quaint and barbaric customs of the people he studied.
And his idiot followers have been swallowing this DREK — “He gets his money from The Little People!” What?! He raised a quarter of a billion dollars from “the little people”?! Are you all NUTS?! Do you creatures even know how much a quarter of a billion dollars IS?!
I suppose not — these are all kids who think they’re going to be millionaires by the time they are 30 — all they need is to get a job when they graduate. They have no idea how much money that is, or how you go about accumulating it. Here’s a hint, Obamabots: You KISS RICH MEN’S ASSES or you pick Barron Hilton for a grandfather.
Janis,
you, and some of the people on this blog are beginning to sound…what’s that word? Bitter ?
Well, see, that’s what happens when people get insulted. Know what else happens? They’re unlikely to vote for the tone-deaf idiot who insulted them. So unless Obama stops spending so much time turning water into wine and starts using his divinity to turn anti votes into pro votes, slight problem.
Ah well, he’ll always have sockpuppets.
Hey, here’s an idea to put this into perspective:
Barack Obama raised in ONE CAMPAIGN more than twice amount of money that BOTH CLINTONS made in over a freaking decades of constant work. And he was a freaking president!
And they slam those two over being rich?! And to make it worse, they think that Obama just raised that by ones and twos?!
If they believe that, I’ve got some beachfront property in Wyoming that I can let go for real cheap …
Janus, you made me laugh, thanks, I really needed that today.
Off topic,but has anyone been to Taylor Marsh sight tonight? I tryed to sighn on and am just getting a blank screen.
Thanks.
It came up for me. http://www.taylormarsh.com/
Maybe her site went down for a bit. I see she’s got her guest-blogging weekend going — the latest is from Scan on BO’s foreign policy cred.
Some cred. Well, you have to say one thing about him, he’s got audacity: