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Hillary, The Weather is Just Fine

Nice try Barack, but your lame effort to claim that Hillary has the same kind of Weather Underground problem that you do is nonsense.  Let’s put the facts side by side:

Barack Obama:

A thirteen year relationship with William Ayers, an unrepentant member of the Weather Underground.  Ayers did not do jail time because the FBI botched the evidence.  Ayers stated on 9-11 that he regretted not planting more bombs.  And what did Barack do?  Barack continued to appear in public with Ayers.  Barack accepted campaign cash from Ayers.  Barack gave money, with help from Ayers, to a group that backs Palestinian’s tied to the PLO.  Barack was doing this as recently as 2002.

Hillary Clinton:

No relationship with unrepentant members of the Weather Underground.  Hillary’s husband, Bill Clinton, pardoned two members of the Weather Underground who had been convicted and served significant time in prison.  One of these was Susan Rosenberg.  Hillary was not consulted and did not lobby on behalf of Rosenberg and her cohort.  Hillary has not solicited or taken campaign funds from the Weather Underground.  Hillary does not sit on any board with any member of the Weather Underground.

Got it?

Welcome to the bizarro world of Barack Obama.  He is personal friends with an unrepentant terrorist and takes his campaign donations and claims this is the same as Hillary being married to the President who pardoned two members of the Weather Underground who had served six years in prison.  And Rosenberg actually apologized for her crime.

I disagree with Bill Clinton’s decision.  I think he was wrong.  But I blame him, not Hillary.  Hillary did not put him up to it and Hillary did not benefit from the decision.  So what is Senator Obama’s point?  Hillary is not friends with an unrepentant terrorist.  Barack is.  Explain that one to us Mr. Obama.

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Comment by MarkL | 2008-04-16 21:58:38

Hey, I have a question:
I just followed live-blogging, but I read that Obama compared Ayers to Coburn. Is that correct??
Something like he is friends with both, even though he has his disagreements. Could it be a breach of Senate decorum to compare another member to a terrorist-murderer??? LOL.

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-04-16 22:01:57

That is almost bizarre. (I only say almost because, one night a few years ago, I watched Tom Coburn in a senate election debate, and he terrified me.)

When the transcript is up, we’ll have to grab that, however.

Comment by MarkL | 2008-04-16 22:04:44

Great.. the Republicans need to be reminded to be outraged now, in case they “forget” until after Obama is the nominee.. ahem:)

 
 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-16 22:04:21

Yes he did. Amazing how he works his foot and mouth, isn’t it?

Comment by MarkL | 2008-04-16 22:06:15

yet another gaffe which would be fatal for most candidates.

 
 
 

Comment by Sugar | 2008-04-16 22:05:52

Amen Larry! How dare he try to slap her with something she didn’t do. I mean, the absurdity of saying, “your husband, Bill Clinton…” or however it was phrased. Absolutely absurd!!!!

 

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-04-16 22:17:21

Thanks Larry. Someone needed to point out that the people Bill Clinton pardoned actually went to jail. And at least one of them apologized for her crimes. No one could have made these points with more credibility. Obama is toast, only he just doesn’t quite know it quite yet.

Comment by sarainitaly | 2008-04-16 22:26:43

 
 

Comment by Paul F. Villarreal AKA "Universal" AKA "RokSki" | 2008-04-16 22:19:40

Right on, Larry! I told my brother the same thing after the debate.

It was a cute attempt by Obama to achieve some Weather Underground ‘equivalence,’ but that isn’t happening. There is no comparison.

Barack has a lot of radical to him, as most who have researched his background can attest to. That was exposed tonight, and rightfully so.

My biggest winner for the night? ABC:

http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=457#457

MSNBC & CNN: You better take notes on how actual debate coverage and moderation is conducted. You look like fools after tonight.

Comment by LikeH2O | 2008-04-16 22:38:46

Hey, I watched your videos last night and thought they were great! Nice to run into you here.

 
 

Comment by Mary Jo Kopechne | 2008-04-16 22:25:19

There are virtually no diaries by Hillary supporters at MyDD. Someone should post one following up on the Ayers topic. I know they are mostly goons but this information needs to be read by all, since it seems that Obama thinks he can just pass the buck.

Comment by A | 2008-04-17 01:06:17

They’ve purged a good number of the Hillary supporters. I was red-bannered (warned) for making a pretty innocuous statement. They don’t want us there anymore.

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-17 06:32:24

I never bothered to go there much to begin with. I instinctively knew it was a closet Obama place.

At least Daily Kos is what it is. They don’t pretend.

Frankly, I think we should do the same to them. They deliberately come here to derail us after they drove us off their boards. Every time one of them shows up, I want to run out and tell five more people what a jerk Obama is–except in my circle, he’s not well liked to begin with. Bullshit doesn’t go over well among adults. I also have some interesting Nicey-Nicey Plan links where they think they are going to come here and snowball us into helping that lying piece of crap after he steals the nomination. I don’t know about the rest of you, but if that happens, these people are delusional if they think I am going to forget, much less forgive. I will just work much harder against him.

 
 

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-04-17 06:16:17

I got kicked out of there so I can’t post anymore. Someone else is going to have to do that.

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-17 08:59:28

I don’t go there anymore, the action is here, and a few other blogs.

If they’re not posting anything interesting, even if it doesn’t involve Clinton/Obama, why bother?

 
 
 

Comment by it's not me | 2008-04-16 22:25:32

That was such a cheap shot he took. I was hoping Hillary would remind him who is actually running for President-NOT Bill Clinton. He always has to bring up things Bill did as if Bill and Hill are the same person. Pretty damn bizarre if you ask me.

Do you think Hillary knew about those 2 Underground members? It didn’t look like she was prepared for that attack, but maybe she was and decided it would go unanswered? I don’t know. I was a little surprised that she let it slide.

Hillary was awesome tonight!

Comment by lifelong dem leaving party | 2008-04-17 01:28:34

funny how he treats bill and hill as one when it’s something negative, but then treats her as “just a first lady” when it comes to crediting her with actually doing anything.

of course, he doesn’t even credit bill with actually doing anything. apparently, he thinks the good years were reagan’s doing. somehow i think mccain can make use of that attitude.

Comment by The Gringo's Wife | 2008-04-17 03:23:45

Obama is a total maroon.

There is no doubt he will never be elected.

 
 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-04-17 05:49:07

I thought given the parameters she did very well describing her approach to mid-east politics and Iran. Sounded very presidential.

 

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-04-17 06:17:30

Hillary was awesome tonight!

Oh yeah!

 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-17 06:33:49

What else was he going to do? I mean he was not having a good night.

 
 

Comment by LikeH2O | 2008-04-16 22:36:39

Thanks for the straight talk Larry. I was thinking the same thing as I watched. There was no comparison, same thing with the tea and cookies comment. I know when Hillary said it in ‘92 she was slammed by the media for that comment, but I knew what she meant. She wasn’t knocking stay-at-home moms or housewives or anyone, she was speaking about herself and how she wanted to use her education and skills to give back. That is what she has done her entire life. BO was too young to remember that line from the first campaign, it was fed to him by Axlerove, and I thought it was a cheap shot.

 

Comment by mel | 2008-04-16 22:37:41

Thought cheap shots were not part of Obama’s campaign, shouldn’t Obama resign?

Ayers, didn’t he hold Obama’s first meet the candidate dinner?

Comment by LikeH2O | 2008-04-16 22:41:20

Are you serious?

Comment by mel | 2008-04-16 22:45:43

serious about what?

Comment by LikeH2O | 2008-04-16 22:49:11

Ayers holding BO’s first meet the candidate dinner.

Comment by mel | 2008-04-16 23:03:35

yup, read it in the chicago trib or sun, forgot which

Comment by Fleaflicker | 2008-04-17 06:18:56

It was his kick off event. Yep! Saint SnObama sure knows how to pick his friends.

Comment by LikeH2O | 2008-04-17 12:27:21

That lying sack of shit.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by OxyCon | 2008-04-16 22:39:44

Here is Barack Obama:

I didn’t actually hear Rev Wright say “God Damn America” because I wasn’t in the pews!

That wasn’t my handwriting on that questionnaire with my name on it.

I didn’t personally question Hillary’s honesty, I let my campaign do it for me!

 

Comment by DisenfranchisedVoter | 2008-04-16 22:40:46

LoL. The Obamabots finally know a tiny bit how we feel when MSNBC attacks Hillary. One of my Obamabot friends said that ABC owes the people of PA an apology for attacking Obama on issues that shouldn’t matter in this election: Wright, wearing a flagpin, and bitter-gate. Ummm…yes, learning about who a candidate really is and what he stands for is something PA voters deserve to know. Obama is finally being vetted and it’s not a pretty sight.

Comment by mel | 2008-04-16 22:43:12

they forgot to mention Obama increasing payroll taxes of middle income earners and doubling capital gains taxes, sorry Larry, you will lose millions if Obama gets in…….lol

Comment by lifelong dem leaving party | 2008-04-17 01:26:00

but we won’t have any capital gains if obama gets in, so it won’t matter. laughing, but not in a good way.

 
 

Comment by ChrisXP | 2008-04-17 01:32:05

LoL. The Obamabots finally know a tiny bit how we feel when MSNBC attacks Hillary.

What’s good for the goose, is good for the gander.

Hoping for some more of this good coverage, and sneek over to DK and watch the immates foam at the mouth again. :D

My, I swear they must like McInsane, as two of a feather flock together!

 
 

Comment by scott | 2008-04-16 22:59:38

Was that his daughter they showed in the crowd not paying attention while he was speaking playing with her necklace?

 

Comment by ChrisXP | 2008-04-16 23:06:35

Larry,

Obama did land a bombshell about Bill’s pardons. It’s also a problematic one in the GE. Partisans will overlook it, but not the GOP hell bent on keeping 30 years of work from failing.

What’s really sad is, Obama could ruin his and Hillary’s chances. Why on Earth did he mention the pardons (because most of the voters don’t research candidates, and wouldn’t have known this until now — I sure didn’t), I don’t know, but giving ammo to the enemy in a time of war to finish off an ally is treason.

This is Republican red meat. This is a 24oz Porterhouse steak with all the trimmings. Raise the terrorism flag, especially 60’s liberal and radical home grown variety, and you can bet your house the Republicans will rally around it like it was Gettysburg.

All because Obama needed to score.

He scored all right, and may have handed McInsane the presidency on a DNC silver platter.

Michigan and Florida won’t be represented with millions of voters with no say. No Dem leadership, but a pure Darwin bloodbath that even the GOP won’t engage in. Partisans so blinded by the reflection in their own mirror. Kids too stupid to understand politics or even history.

A freaking train wreck awaiting a cliff.

Enjoy the weather folks, but come November the sky won’t be blue or the sun shining.

Comment by Ga6thDem | 2008-04-16 23:26:57

According to the above link, Clinton commuted the sentences but didn’t pardon them.

Comment by ChrisXP | 2008-04-17 00:36:56

According to the above link, Clinton commuted the sentences but didn’t pardon them.

Doesn’t matter. They were terrorists. Freaking terrorists that wanted to kill service people like al Qaeta, by blowing them up.

Pardoning, excusing, commuting or giving such creepzoids a professorship all associated with Dems plays right into the fears of Republicans. It’s the rally call the Dems didn’t need. The only thing missing out of the GOP call-for-action script is an abortion (and if we learn any of those women had one…this is worse than a Hollyweird movie, I simply can’t believe candidates are THIS STUPID!!!!).

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-17 09:03:35

Doesn’t matter. They were terrorists

And Bush commuted Scooter’s sentence, and Scooter was a party to protecting the big whale, and his crew of whalettes, who outed a spy, during a time of war, which is also a terrorist act.

So, you know, if I were a republican troll, I’d be careful with that, given the parameters WILL change when Bush and Cheney are out.

But republican trolls, like all good modern day conservatives, are adverse to change.

Comment by ChrisXP | 2008-04-17 10:02:36

And Bush commuted Scooter’s sentence

:blink:

Is the disconnection from reality this distinct in partisanship now? To trivialize terrorism for political points?

If this is the core Democrat thinking, it explains why for 50+ years, there’s only been 5 Democrat presidents.

Count: Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Bill Clinton.

Four out of five didn’t even have a mandate. Three left office in disgrace (their own party turned on them).

Do you want more of the same? Keep up the cheap partisan talking points, and that dream will come true — again, and again, and again — as voters tune out and turn off the political process as it’s a classic definition of INSANITY (repeating the same thing over and over and over and expecting a different result).

This wasn’t about Scooter. Or Bush. It’s about the Weather Underground and how it haunts another generation of politicos, because the new generation never learned from the old, to NOT repeat history.

 
 
 
 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-04-17 07:49:19

If the nod goes to Hillary it will be about the ECONOMY….The GOP has nothing to compete on that…..All HRC has to do is ask that famous question….Are you better off now that you were 8 yrs, ago….If the nod goes to OBAMESSIAH……The GOP will simply chant RADICAL…RADICAL…RADICAL…. right into the White House and probably a republican majority in congress.

 
 

Comment by Amy | 2008-04-16 23:28:21

Daily Kos has some diary by a guy who says he lives in the same neighborhood as Obama and who says everyone there has to be friends. As in, of course Obama is friends with Ayers.

and this joker claims that everyone is getting the story from Hannity. apparently he does not read Chicago papers or interact in Chicago cause Ayers and Dohrn are well known and well avoided.

Comment by OxyCon | 2008-04-16 23:48:45

Do they have to live in the area?
It’s amazing the lengths Obamatons will go to justifying everything Obama does!

 
 

Comment by jyotinc | 2008-04-16 23:40:35

the more i get info. about obama’s underground friends and activities, the more i get seriously concern . we need to defeat this man in the primary. you don’t want a man like that to be our president.

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-17 09:06:51

the more i get info. about obama’s underground friends and activities

The more I see of Obama’s friends, the more I see of Cheney’s friends, too, money and all that.

It’s all graft, though I think in Obama’s case, unfortunately, it’s also ideology.

But really, what’s the difference between Obama’s acts, and Cheney’s, of outing Plame, (which may have resulted in the murders of Plame’s informants)?

Just as a theoretical.

 
 

Comment by typical.white.person | 2008-04-17 00:11:57

The Rolling Stone article mentioned in tonight’s debate.

The Trinity United Church of Christ, the church that Barack Obama attends in Chicago, is at once vast and unprepossessing, a big structure a couple of blocks from the projects, in the long open sore of a ghetto on the city’s far South Side. The church is a leftover vision from the Sixties of what a black nationalist future might look like. There’s the testifying fervor of the black church, the Afrocentric Bible readings, even the odd dashiki. And there is the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a sprawling, profane bear of a preacher, a kind of black ministerial institution, with his own radio shows and guest preaching gigs across the country. Wright takes the pulpit here one Sunday and solemnly, sonorously declares that he will recite ten essential facts about the United States. “Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college,” he intones. “Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!” There is thumping applause; Wright has a cadence and power that make Obama sound like John Kerry. Now the reverend begins to preach. “We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional KILLERS. . . . We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. . . . We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. . . . We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means!” The crowd whoops and amens as Wright builds to his climax: “And. And. And! GAWD! Has GOT! To be SICK! OF THIS SHIT!”

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-04-17 00:41:09

God is undoubtedly sick of Wright’s shit.

 
 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-17 00:26:12

He’s lucky they did’t have time to get into Rashid Khalidi and Zbigniew Brezinski. Or his election call center in Gaza City.

 

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Comment by typical.white.person | 2008-04-17 01:34:24

Obama’s arrogance:

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Senator Obama, do yo think Senator Clinton can win?

SENATOR OBAMA: Absolutely, and I’ve said so before. But I too think that I’m the better candidate. (Laughter.) And I don’t think that surprises anybody.

Comment by typical.white.person | 2008-04-17 01:39:56

The funny part about that quote of Obama’s, is in the very next sentence he denies he’s being condescending to Hillary.

SENATOR OBAMA: Absolutely, and I’ve said so before. But I too think that I’m the better candidate. (Laughter.) And I don’t think that surprises anybody.

Let me just pick up on a couple of things that Senator Clinton said, though, because during the course of the last few days, you know, she’s said I’m elitist, out of touch, condescending. Let me be absolutely clear. It would be pretty hard for me to be condescending towards people of faith, since I’m a person of faith and have done more than most other campaigns in reaching out specifically to people of faith, and have written about how Democrats make an error when they don’t show up and speak directly to people’s faith, because I think we can get those votes, and I have in the past.

Comment by The Gringo's Wife | 2008-04-17 03:33:06

Oh! I finally get it. Though I think many of us instinctively perceive.

Barak orbits the planet Obama!

It is not mere arrogance. I bet he would meet the DSM criteria for NPD. Or is that Michelle?

I feel a little shame. I have not felt this antipathy for two people as much as this since .. since … GW? No, I thought him a dangerous bafoon. I know…

Hey Aaaaaaaaaaabooooooooooottttt …

God I hated the Abbott & Costello cartoons. Give me Mr. Magoo!

 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-04-17 05:56:01

Unortunately….his laser beam of healing has not penetrated my TYPICAL WHITE BITTER CYNICAL BANJO PLAYIN WORKING CLASS SCEPTICISM….LOL

 
 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-04-17 06:00:21

It was a set up question….But I will sy that HRC saying she would work toward party unity was pretty classy….OBAMESSIAH did’nt say the same thing….I guess he was scared Michelle would spank him..

 
 

Comment by lifelong dem leaving party | 2008-04-17 01:38:42

keep seeing the msm sites headlines - clinton says obama can defeat mccain - or some variation on that theme. seems that’s all they want people to think about the debate.

seems like it might’ve been just a setup to get her to say what she had no choice but to say. if she goes back on it later, she’s a liar. otherwise, he’s electable….yeah right.

just wondering….

Comment by it'snotme | 2008-04-17 09:33:57

And we can thank Bill Richardson for giving them the setup question. Bastard. I am so hoping Hillary wins this election. I want to see Bill Richardson’s reaction when she does. I also want to see him SUFFER the demise of his political career at HER hand. I’m not at all revengeful though.;)

He is such a JERK.

 
 

Comment by Andrew | 2008-04-17 02:17:19

This is my first and last visit to this blog. I immediately noticed how you blatantly misquoted Ayers to throw salt on a wound and do as ABC did - make a mockery of the debate process. Thanks for nothing.

When asked about setting bombs and protesting the Vietnam War:
“I don’t regret setting bombs, I feel we didn’t do enough.”

Comment by The Gringo's Wife | 2008-04-17 03:39:59

:::hic:::: oh gosh ::::::: I laughed so hard at the Obamabot I got the hiccups!

Poor wittle Obamawama … Mommy was mean and the bad moderators asked hard questions.

Obama has cake stuck to his shoes baby. Bring out the CSI kit ’cause I think Charley pulled the cake right out from under him.

CNN who? MSNBC what? Keith Whatshisname?

 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-17 09:40:35

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-17 09:42:30

Let me pull the quote from there for you
”I don’t regret setting bombs,” Bill Ayers said. ”I feel we didn’t do enough.”

 
 
 

Comment by Paul | 2008-04-17 05:35:18

Obama: ‘I’m a Pretty Darned Good Politician’

Barack Obama may have added more fuel to the fire for those who want to paint him as arrogant or elitist, praising himself Wednesday as “a pretty darn good politician.”

In a speech to Jewish community leaders in Philadelphia, the Democratic presidential candidate was asked whether the recent controversy over Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s retiring pastor, could lead to him being attacked by Republicans in the fall and create the possibility of turning his candidacy into one akin to failed candidates George McGovern and Michael Dukakis.

At the end of a long response, Obama said: “Let me make one last point about the comparison to McGovern and Dukakis, both excellent men, but I’m a pretty darn good politician. And I can give a pretty good speech and I can connect and inspire the American people in ways that I think will become apparent. I wouldn’t be here if I wasn’t pretty good at mixing it up. And so much of the attack machine that’s been built up is part of the old politics.”

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/04/16/obama-i-am-pretty-darned-good-politician/

Can we have a blog on this please?

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-17 09:43:57

I already started one on this. I didn’t post it because of the debate.

 
 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-17 06:18:51

ABC: Obama Tantrum: His camp claims several “prominent” PA people are going to switch sides from Clinton to Obama because last night was “too negative”. They DARED to question the Baby Jesus of Narcisscism. Somebody must pay for that. You can’t go screwing with the Messiah. I mean where do they get off wanting answers? This man needs a psychological profile stat. He looked like his head was going to blow off last night. I bet he threw himself on the floor and screamed in the candy aisle last night when that debate was over.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-04-17 18:04:17

If they switch it has more to do with the BROWNSHIRTS surrounding their houses.

 
 

Comment by FLVoter | 2008-04-17 06:40:06

Somewhat off topic - interesting op-ed on BO’s bitter comments
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/17/opinion/17bartels.html

 

Comment by glennmcgahhee | 2008-04-17 07:19:42

I was struck by how easy Hillary was toward him. She’s a good Democrat period. Obama praising George Sr. and Reagan while tearing down Bill Clinton again. Glad Hillary got to mention the prosperity that the Clinton Administration left the country in. Not ever mentioned as history is re-written by Obama and the Republicans. “Friends with Tom Coburn?” Who brags about that? We at home want to know what else Wright said that got him dis-invited to Obama’s campaign kick-off. Rezko and Auchi not mentioned, I imagine it should make the papers as the trial continues though. Penn, then on from there. Need to keep donating to Clinton so she can fight on til August. Florida and Michigan, without us, Obama simply cannot win. He’d do even worse now if we got to vote again. He brought up the violence in Chicago that has the kids being gunned down on their way to school. More of that please. Seems maybe its Chicago thats bitter, clinging to guns and Wright’s church. What exactly did Obama do as an organizer? Doesn’t seem like he helped those people very much, rather, he just helped himself to their money.

 

Comment by Deetrain | 2008-04-17 09:24:20

so wait…Obama get flak for a relationship with a pastor who SAID some dumb things…and Hillary will fly through when her own husband pardoned terrorists who DID actual bombings…hmm…something there doesnt fly with me…

Comment by it'snotme | 2008-04-17 09:48:06

I know this is almost IMPOSSIBLE for Obamaroids, but FACTS really ARE important:

FACT: BILL CLINTON IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

FACT: HILLARY CLINTON IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.

FACT: MR. HOPE RUNS WITH UNSAVORY CHARACTERS.

 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-04-17 18:05:56

You are not even old enough to vote. ( sigh )

 
 

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