ABC News Sets the Record Straight
By NoQuarter on April 18, 2008 at 10:02 PM in ABC News, Barack Obama, Charlie Gibson, George Stephanopoulos, Hillary Clinton
I just spotted this at Memeorandum.com, and wanted to rush this story to you: Mediabloodhound blog — living up to its name (and reputation) — has released a transcript of the unaired portion of the now-infamous ABC debate:
[In response to criticism], ABC News President David Westin has [released] a transcript of the untelevised portion … Westin, speaking with The Wounded-Courier, said, “While I think, on the whole, Charlie and George did an admirable job, I believe the most substantive part of the debate occurred after the cameras were turned off … [I've released] this transcript to make clear ABC’s commitment to excellence in journalism. [T]he questions asked in these remaining minutes address substantive issues that are of the utmost concern to Pennsylvanians and every American.”
Courtesy of ABC News, here is the untelevised transcript in its entirety:
CHARLES GIBSON, ABC ANCHOR: For the televised portion … we began segments with brief quotes from the Constitution. … For the untelevised portion, we will move away from the Constitution and quote liberally in a wild card fashion from whatever source seems appropriate … “Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come.
Corporation tee-shirt, stupid bloody Tuesday. Man, you been a naughty boy, you let your face grow long. I am the eggman, they are the eggmen, I am the walrus, goo goo g’joob.”
GIBSON: That is a quote from The Beatles drug-inspired anthem “I Am the Walrus.” Senator Obama, exactly how stoned were you the first time you heard this song? And did the bong hits, combined with the tabs of acid you ingested, make this song less or more enjoyable?
SENATOR BARACK OBAMA: You know, Charlie, I’ve already addressed my slight dabbling with drugs when I was a confused youth. I think I went through what many troubled youths go through when –
GIBSON: But how wasted were you the first time you heard “I Am the Walrus,” Senator, and did your psychotic drug binge — which may have caused you to black out for days on end while committing unspeakable acts you don’t remember — add or subtract from your listening pleasure?
OBAMA: Again, Charlie, I’m not sure how this helps get Americans health insurance, brings home our troops, or fixes the economy.
GIBSON: I’ll take your response as an admission that pot and acid do, in fact, make this song better. But shooting heroin and the possible murders you committed during your unconscious fugue state detracted somewhat from the overall listening experience.
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC ANCHOR: Senator Clinton, if a tree falls in the woods but no one is there to hear it, did it make a sound?
SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON: George, that is something which has been debated for centuries. ..
Read all at Mediabloodhound blog.
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True story: A pal sent me that image this morning. I saved it in my “Pictures” folder because, well, one never knows … then I ran across that story tonight … and.
I wrote in my reply to my pal this morning, “You are incorrigible.”
And so, apparently, am I.
// FOR SATIRICAL FUN ONLY //
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds!
“Ba, ba, ba-rack obomajaggle!”
Sitting in an English Garden, waiting for the sun. If the sun don’t come we get a tan from standing in the english rain….
Nice patriotic bong..
I hope Barry does not spill bong water on Michelle’s new rugs. I think they were a gift from Auchi.
// FOR SATIRICAL FUN ONLY //
Ciao,
G-N-G
Water!???? you put a bottle of southern comfort in a bong! Not that I know this. I read about it. lol.
Not that I know about the water either
but I never heard about the Southern Comfort thing. Isn’t that like flammable and kinda close to a flame?
Obama on drugs? Hmmm, I don’t know. I can see him doing coke cause that makes people think they’re fabulous while the people around them sans drugs think they are being totally obnoxious. I can’t see him smoking dope, or knowing which end of a bong to use.
Dope makes you laugh or be introspective or be paranoid. Ah paranoid. I can see him getting really paranoid. Ah, the paraquat. A gift from Carter as I remember. If I remember. I’m not sure about alcohol in a bong, either. That does sound a bit spooky.
I have heard of using a watermelon for a weird pipe, but I’ve never seen it happen.
I mean who would spoil a perfectly good watermelon. Especially when you are gonna be falling on it like a pack of hungry wolves very shortly, anyway. I mean, if I knew about stuff like that.
Yeah….That is the way you do it down south….Of course when not inhaling….LOL
WASTE SC? I think Not! Good stuff like that? Not that he could drink it without a coughing fit ….. can you just picture him?
LOL….With Pinky properly extended no less….(chuckle) I’m from Tequilla Country myself….
Joan was quizzical, studied metaphysical science in her home. Late night all alone with her test tube…..oh……..oh oh oh
I’m laughing so hard I’m crying here! The bong!
Funny!
I removed myself from the Moveon.org e-mail list but a friend just forwarded a petition to me to ABC whining about the debate. Like I’m gonna sign THAT? Among the things it said, it misquotes Charlie Gibson, saying that he asked Obama if he loves the American flag or not…OMG!! The Obamazoids are going NUTS. Finally there’s a debate where there’s a modicum of fairness and the Obambi’s can hardly stand it.
Me too, but just deleted.
Oh I left moveon lonnnng ago.
Charlie didn’t ask it, he had the nice lady from PA (the only person to have question besides Charles or George) ask Obama if he “believed in the American Flag”….
mercy…..
Media Matters sent me a sniveling little email and I told them to shove it.
Coo Coo Cachoo! If I could I would provide the melody. I remember?
Expert Texpert choking smoker don’t you think the joker laughs at you??????
What if this man is elected President? Will my children believe it is appropriate to snort cocaine and consume drugs? This is a real concern, especially as Obama discusses this openly with high school students. Will they emulate him by placing their middle fingers on their faces when I reprimand them, only to tell me later that they were scratching their faces? What about the children? What if they too try to purchase Hope bongs?
All women with children should be concerned about Barack Obama.
Yes, there is sort of an implicit message — when young people see him:
Oh. Here’s a man who graduated from college AND law school AND became a U.S. Senator AND is running for president. And he did some drugs. So why can’t I? It can’t possibly hurt. Right? Look how he turned out. What’s the big deal?!
just a little blow, that’s all. Think that most of his supporters think he’s gonna legalize drugs? Just blow and smack? I don’t care about his drug use, it’s nice to see someone rehabilitate himself and turn his life around, I just don’t like him.
It sets such a poor example for the youth of today.
After all, G.W. Bush utilized his faith to quit temptation, Bill Clinton didn’t inhale, and G.H.W. Bush and Reagan turned a blind eye to drug smuggling while Nancy taught us to say ‘no’ - I ask you, where will the youth of today turn to? Rush and his painkillers? Steroid-tainted athletic role models? Emaciated fashion models? Hooker-addicted politicians?
It makes me yearn for the yesteryears of old, to pine for the Bridge to the Past which so many of us long for… back when we all were better, ‘Merica was safer, and marriage was blessedly sacred.
BINGO….Great satire glad you posted it…
Obama, is to stupid to have done that. More likely, he is lying again.
I don’t. He spent his life trying to fit in, so there’s no telling what else he did in life to be “popular” in a group.
Apparently no one told him he didn’t need to take drugs to be “kewl” (not surprised as his friends include bomb makers).
sadly true. and they’ll call you racist if you discipline them.
All women, with or without children, should be concerned about Barack Obama.
All human beings, plants and animals should be concerned about Darth Obama. What scares me most is how gullible the extremists in this country are. They really are incapable of independent thought and analysis = candidates like Dubya and Obama. I guess I have a soft spot in my heart somewhat for McCain, since I might have to vote for him to stop Darth Obama. Or if electorally it won’t matter in my state, I can write in Hillary. I’m praying she pulls off a miracle so I am delaying too much thought into this. And can someone please wake me up from this nightmare? Or better yet, I’ll go to sleep and have a real nightmare — that would be a relief from the reality of American politics.
It’s ok. Play me a song, Guitarman! Obama will not be president. It won’t happen.
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Thank your-choice-of-deity.
And I got some tunes on myspace in two locations:
http://myspace.com/loyaldissent
http://myspace.com/myspareaccount
I seriously need to update all my Websites, but the music is still cool.
And as far as playing live, I’ve actually been trying to set something up, and do a private concert to raise some bucks for Hill. I’ve been looking for someone with a large home in Boston to host it.
Why not in front of John Kerry’ house?
Thanks for that post…I think the problem is that O-MAN seemed to make light of it. Truth is I’ve been honest with my kid about my past… Came of age in the 70’s-80’s when( I hate to say it ) but things still had that kinda 60’s glow. In the 80’s it got real ugly. Because I was honest, my kid has no interest in it. She does’nt think it’s cool to mess with, she’s female so she’s aware of Roofies and all that crap. Slippin a girl a mickie to get in her pants was unheard of in my day…it was just some weird Film Noir reference. Today it seems to be an ethical lapse. Most kids experiment and some of them die. BTW..Her dad a major coke head throughout the 80’s-early 90’s ( he worked in the radio industry so it as an occupational hazard….Payola was’nt just payed in $$ )has never been honest with her about it…Big Mistake.Kids can smell that kind of HYPOCRISY a mile away. Remeber how we chuckled about Ol’ Bill not inhaling?
It is sad that this has gotten out of control to some degree, but Charlie and George did open a few doors, that Obama wants to brush off, including a new one that has not been explored all that much by the media or blogs probably because of diversions by camp Obama, who are masters of Astroturfing! It was the introduction of Ayers and the SDS and weather underground!
Connections about Ayers not explored are:
Ayers is still active with the new SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) and speaker at their caucuses and a chapter is at the University Ayers teaches.
Ayers father was Chairman and CEO of ConEd, now part of Exelon, major contributor to bundled money for Obama!
Obama shelved legislation against Exelon for leaks!
Ayers kicked off Obama’s political life with a dinner fundraiser.
Obama and Ayers on the Woods Foundation.
Mark Rudd another WU and SDS terrorist led the sit in at Columbia U, same place Obama went to University, now active again in SDS and has his own website that went silent in Feb of ‘07, same time Obama announced his run for POTUS.
One of the ’60s SDS issues included support for the African-American civil rights movement and community organizing projects in inner cities.
There is so much to bring together about Obama and sometimes coincidences are explainable, but someone who was a self proclaimed confused, drug experimenting youth who happened to follow the ’60s SDS ways becomes bothersome!
That Obama went from the very liberal Occidental College to attended the same Columbia University where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations, as Mark Rudd attended, then works in NYC after as a community organizer, while living with an illegal immigrant, then moves to Chicago and eventually hooks up with Ayers, shows a pattern of sorts, yet questionable as Larry mentioned the other day.
Also hooking up with a preacher that is one of the most rebellious of churches in Chicago and the preacher becomes his mentor.
Do not forget, the Weathermen only became radical terrorists after the death of Black Panther Fred Hampton, the group issued a “Declaration of a State of War” against the United States government! The Black Panthers endorse Obama.
He goes to Harvard and studies Constitutional Law and returns to Chicago.
What was suprising out of the debate the other night is how quickly Obama was to counter with Bill Clinton’s commuting the sentences of 2 jailed WO women! Most people don’t have that as common knowledge, but Obama seemed very versed in it!
The other movement Obama has captivated during the campaign season is the University crowds, the SDS is now a movement by means, if you read their information, that seems to bring together the way Obama’s campaign is working, including the trolls on sites blocking out reasonable debates, forcing their agenda only!
The scary part is this guy is an expert on the Constitution and associates with a still active terrorist and another who became silent the same time Obama announced his candacy, cobined with a who sort of shady people, wants to sit in the Oval Office? What is Wrong with this picture?
Who said he was an expert on the Constitution? (I assume you are referring to Obama) Are you referring to his bogus claim of being a Constitutional law professor?
Maybe Obama is Superman in his spare time as well.
And speaking of the Constitution, it appears Obama followers and maybe even the campaign itself is using threats and intimidation to violate people’s Constitutional right to freely associate with whomever they wish. I wonder if they are also blackmailing people? It is certainly possible from what I’ve read about.
It’ll be either Hill or McCain as president, I can live with either, but we can thank Darth Obama for McCain if McCain wins. But Hill is amazing and I’m fighting for her and think she can pull of a miracle.
Agree….I’m sure the members of THE BLACK COGRESSIONAL CAUCUS appreciate OBAMESSIAH’S knowlege of the consitution….
And speaking of the Constitution, it appears Obama followers and maybe even the campaign itself is using threats and intimidation to violate people’s Constitutional right to freely associate with whomever they wish.
On a very fundamental level BO shows a very poor understanding of Constitutional Law.
Repealing the AUMF as per Sen Clinton, = convoluted.
Denying Florida and Michigan the right to vote.
Understanding treaty obligations = NAFTA
Not holding hearings as chair on the Foreign Relations Committee.
I am sure somewhere out there is a text version of BO’s lectures on 10 years of lecturing on this topic, but has anyone seen them? Does anyone think it is odd these are not available on the INTERNET? Perhaps they are not worthy as a way to look at his underlying understanding and views?
what has changed?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0417/p01s07-uspo.html?page=2
Yeah, but what are his financial dealings with Auchi, or for that matter, with Wright, or Farrakhan?
Maybe he was in a fugue state when dealing with them, too.
Fugue states are so overrated, esp by people who still think it’s 1968.
Hey, it could happen, it’s not uncommon.
Mel - this is alot of s***! You should send this to Hannity on FOX. He is like a dog with a bone re the Ayers bit! He will be all over it!!
Thats Half of it Mel..but when you connect the DOTS, You do began to get the Picture..
These guys are just finding ways to get the Money, Power .Influence and Infiltrate Our Schools systems and government..Le MANIFESTO..
From a group I subscribe to, saw this:
Anyone know about this?
No I never heard that. That’s certainly doesn’t mean it’s not true. Can you get more information?
I’m being lazy tonight and now you are being lazy asking me to find it.
I know That the god Rev. Sharpton threatened to haul out the troops at the convention…Got Dean’s knickers in a twist…Perhaps this is a response to that ?
Sorry for the OT, but I wanted to you see this great video about selmas lies what he said, compared to what he wrote in his book, I KNOW just words http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFwko58Nsfk
He’s in his element in mocking mode. The guy is not sincere. Everything that comes out of his mouth is the Opposite of truth. Clearly he enjoys being NEGATIVE, then point the finget at Hillary and accuses her of being Negative.
My account was suspended on Yahoo for questions they were afraid would show up in a search. Obama wants to be a Dictator, he’s nast, and vicious in a skillful underhanded way. Scary. I find it so sleazy when he’s mocking as he complains about others being Negative and the crowd eats it up. He’s like a religious revival guy or gerorge Bush.
He’s a lot like the pathology of Cheney. It’s always everyone else. It’s never you.
So?
Cass,
I agree with everything you wrote -
I hate how the crowd laughs at everything he says - and does - including the finger, and never even considers the irony in him calling her negative. He’s been about a thousand times more negative, from calling Clintons racist, to ugly ugly Thelma and Louise mailers, about a really important issue, to jumping on Tuzla, to Nafta, to Monica (??!?!) - speaking of Republican talking points, to dragging out Ken Starr’s accusations, etc. etc. etc. And then he does his crybaby act when she finally picks up on his negatives.
I found his behavior at that speech very bizarre - the way he was laughing, and talking. I did consider coke being involved. Would he be stupid? Hand gestures were very stupid. He thinks he can get away with anything.
I personally think Hill should have focused on more of his other problems - Rezco, for one. That’s a real issue, with eleven abandoned buildings in his own district, money stolen by Rezco from Illinois which was for poor people housing.
I find the association with Ayers harder to make a case for her. A few meetings, no deep connection. People can dismiss it. I would leave that to Repubs.
But Rezco and Wright are long term associations, with big money exchanges. He can’t legitimately push that off.
Susan, I love ya but I have to disagree with you a bit. Lots of people smoke some pot, do a few lines and even pop some pills in their youth and turn out just fine, myself among them. Most of us drank way too much on a number of occasions as well. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to not vote for St. Barry of Hyde Park, but being honest about his youthful use of recreational pharmaceuticals is not one of them. It’s one of the few things I actually admire him for.
We’re never going to get a leg up on the problem of drug abuse until we treat it like a public health problem rather than a moral crusade, and stop lying to kids that one puff of weed inexorably dooms you to a short ugly life of shooting smack directly into your eyeballs. Unfortunately a lot of kids find out they were lied to about pot and assume that they were lied to about all drugs. That’s when things get ugly. [/rant]
Pieter B….Believe me I’m not a PURITAN, but things are way more dangerous now and the drugs are not the same…I live in CHEESE Central and kids are dyin down here…OBAMESSIAH has given the impression that everyone can play around and it’ll be OK. If you ever have the chance to go to an open AA meeting…Note how many kids are there. Nancy’s approach don’t work ( that was just silly ) but I don’t think OBAMESSIAH has a clue either. Try a trip to the southern border and see if you feel the same way.
Workingclass artist ….
I am sure that when you say CHEESE central you mean Wisconsin?
I say this because there is a new problem with heroin making its way through the middle and yes, even the elementary school kids. They are calling it CHEESE. Kids that age have no idea what heroin is and they will fall for “cheese.”
Wanted to put that out there for pursposes of awareness.
I will say though that things were pretty darn dangerous in the mid-70’s. There was drug use in the middle school then, too. And I personally knew kids who did heroin at that age. We were raised at the tail end of the 60’s and before the “Just Say No” of the 80’s.
A list of drugs available to me from approxiimately 1974 through 1982 on a daily basis: weed, mushrooms, THC, cocaine, speed (of the Black Beauty fame), quaaludes (rampant) and a handful of Ely Lilly pill everyone got from their parents or grandparents — yellow, blue, red and white … I think the white ones were Dalaudid which were highly prized. The only exception was heroin but that came around eventually.
The weed was cheap at about $15.00 an oz. But the cocaine? Very expensive. It is much cheaper today. So Barry, was he doing cocaine, had to come up with serious dollars for use. Someone giving you a line? Easy. Someone sharing their eight ball? And speaking from experience, nobody does a “line of cocaine.” There would be no point as the high wears off soon enough and you crave more.
Ass, Grass, or Gass. Nobody rode for free. I doubt very much anyone with any amount of cocaine was supplying it to Barry for free.
None of this is relevant unless, Barry is still using in some way. I suppose all things are possible.
Many of the people I knew then doing drugs are today outstanding citizens. Many died and never made it out of the 70’s. A good few are still struggling with drug abuse and those who are not in jail or still dealing, are using. And some of those “appear” to be upstanding citizens.
I don’t a thing about Barry, he wonn’t be telling anyone soon. I do think at times watching though, that he is on something besides smoking his own ego.
Susan,
The full piece is just brilliant! There is more at the site with a satiric post about Penn doing PR work for Lucifer that is pretty good also. Plus there is some serious stuff there too about Iraq and the NYT. Thanks for site!
Oh by the way Sudden Discomfort? (Southern Comfort) Sorry that stuff is for folks who are unable to drink real Whiskey- Single Malt Scotch. Cheers!
New @ Stop-Obama.org:
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ebonyscrews,
These were fantastic articles. Thanks for the reference.
There was so much in there I suggest everyone go there - written by minorities who fear Barack as pres.
In Excrement, Juanita Gonzalez writes about that wonderful “speech”, with hand gestures, and its reference to rapper Jay-Z. Wiping the shit off his back is from the title of his song.
Obama campaign also played Jay-Z song
“99-Problems” when he won Iowa. These are the lyrics:
This is after he denounced Imus big time and called for his firing after his use of this kind of language.
Hypocrite, anyone? I guess it’s all right when the “bitch” is Hillary.
Gonzalez writes about how racially divisive and charged Barack’s “pranks” are.
She, too, is disturbed at the laughter.
She writes
So this adds still more levels to the outrageousness of those gestures.
Can anything be done about the death threats on the internet? I would love to see these people who do that silenced. I am scared. I am scared of an Obama WH. If you think we have to PC it would be much worse later. This man is dirty, he came from dirty politics in Chicago. I can’t believe he came out clean.
Lots of people are talking about the polls. One of the ways I judge how Hillary is doing is the number of emails I get from the campaign and the number of visits we get from the trolls.
Each of the pollers has a different set of problems inherent with their methodology. When I looked at which one was better in predicting the results in Ohio, ARG was closest to calling it. Here is what they are saying:
April 14, 2008 - Pennsylvania Democratic Primary Preference
Pennsylvania
Democrats Mar
7-8 Mar
26-27 Apr
5-6 Apr
11-13
Clinton 52% 51% 45% 57%
Obama 41% 39% 45% 37%
Someone else 1% 2% 4% 2%
Undecided 6% 8% 6% 4%
Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama 48% to 44% among men (45% of likely Democratic primary voters). Among women, Clinton leads 64% to 31%.
Clinton leads 64% to 29% among white voters (82% of likely Democratic primary voters). Obama leads 79% to 18% among African American voters (14% of likely Democratic primary voters).
Clinton leads 52% to 43% among voters age 18 to 49 (50% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads 62% to 31% among voters age 50 and older.
10% of all likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary and 24% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary.
23% of likely Democratic primary voters say that excessive exposure to Obama’s advertising is causing them to support Clinton.
Please take a good look at that last paragraph. The amount of ads is not necessarily a good thing. If he is jacking it up this weekend, it won’t automatically equate to gaining. I also think that her negative ads are not necessarily a good idea. Just my opinion. He is his own best negative ad. Let her use her money to showcase her positives.
You can still google United Church of Christ and get this:
Trinity United Church of ChristClick here to read about Dr. Wright’s talking points for Trinity United Church of Christ its Web site and the Black Value System. …
http://www.tucc.org/about.htm - 12k - Cached - Similar pages
Trinity United Church of Christ
It takes you to all of the Wright nonsense.
Amazon.com will sell you all of the Rev’s books, coffee mugs, tee shirts and baseball caps. Karl has never had it this easy. It’s like money on the ground.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=jeremiah+wright
OT:
You gals and guys might find this interesting:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/18/oh-stop-whining-about-abc/#comment-197473
I’m really tired of the blame shifting and misdirection attempts by the Obamabots. But I am not surprised, since a vain, arrogant and egocentric Harvard lawyer with a silver spoon up his ass is at the helm.
Some ship’s captain, he can’t even take the blame when his vessel hits an iceberg. It’s the iceberg’s fault!
Hill is my captain and she is wise enough to navigate around an iceberg.
Ciao,
hi nice post, i enjoyed it
Why thank you, Bill!
I want to know how stoned Barry was when he first heard..
Mr. Bigstuff!
Who do you think you are?
Mr. Bigstuff!
You’re never gonna get my love!
It could be crucial to understanding Barry’s psyche.
Yes, I did the chicken too. You?
That is a quote from The Beatles drug-inspired anthem
It’s drug inspired? No it’s not.
When u.s.a sports people represent there country
they are tested for drugs ,why not someone
running for president,my 20yr old son caught his
vulgar gestures while critising senator clinton,
sadly!! he and his friend’s thought it was so slick and cool,his sisters have put him straight on
this type of behaviour,guess what, he still think’s
obama’s ok b/c he know’s the score?
Maybe the Obamessiah is trying to appeal to what is left of the radical chic. Hanging out with two big names from the Weather Underground. They must be getting desperate looking for votes. I wouldn’t have thought they were registered to vote. BTW, the walrus is Paul?
Obviously everyone here hates Obama, but he is going to win the nomination so when it happens what are you going to do? Even if Hillary wins Pennsyvania by 10%, that’s only a few more delegates than Obama at the most. Are you going to call McCain a Maverick, which is a crock of you know what, or fight for what’s right? Stop doing the Republican’s job
Hello,
Thanks for your comments. I think this question has been asked many times before, but the answer stays the same except those of us opposed to Obama have more reasons to bolster our viewpoint, like this week his lackluster performance in the debate then whining about it then blaming everyone but himself. That’s no President acting that way.
Since many of us consider Obama a habitual liar and he refuses or cannot address in a believable and credible way his issues over Wright, Rezko, Auchi, Ayers, etc. many of us will not put our lives in the hands of Obama. Remember, that is what this is all about: who do we want to put our lives in the hands of? There are lots of other reasons, which you should be aware of such as no track record, poor judgment, he can’t think on his feet, etc.
Many of us would rather chose the “devil that we know” (McCain) or write in Hillary — which I am sure you respect as that is our right. As far as doing the Republican’s job, I might have to, to help defeat Obama. The USA cannot afford to have an inept President Obama at the helm. Since you claim and I assume this includes you that everyone hates Obama, what are you going to do to stop him from becoming President?
And I disagree he is going to win the nomination. Do you have a crystal ball? Hillary still has plenty of life left in her as she has proven over and over again. In her case, the rumors of her death as a candidate are surely exaggerated.
And I don’t hate Obama, nor do I think everyone here hates him. We are fighting for our lives and freedoms and will not stand by and let him and the DNC steal the nomination. Many of us will do everything legally in our power to not let him get elected if he steals the nomination. Once again, that is our right.
I think that sums things up. And Obama and his supporters seem to subscribe to the notion that “the ends justify the means.” I hope you will agree that is not so — stealing a nomination is never justified, as it subverts the democratic process. Obama supporters don’t seem to mind subverting the democratic process, but if they manage to get their way, in the future someone else will subvert the process and they might not like those results. Then who will they blame? Probably everyone but themselves, which is their modus operandi.
Related:
Remember, the last time the MSM stood by and allowed something to happen when they knew better, we ended up going to war with Iraq for the second time. Now the MSM is doing something worse, they are actively participating in the subversion of the democratic process. Obama supporters are thus hypocrites, since they claim to be against the war, yet they use the same MSM to help steal the nomination.
I don’t find you argument consistent, but you did inspire me to write some thoughts so that’s good.
Ciao,
G-N-G
The Garlic Nosed ones speaks for me!
The DNC refuses to count my vote? Gues what? They can’t count on me voting for the DNC in November. There was a time where I may have struggled with the decision but Barry, the DNC and La Pelusa and the gang have helped me feel very good about voting for McCain should Obama be the nominee.
I am an American. I support Hillary Clinton. No one can stop me from speaking my mind. I will vote my conscience.
Obama seems to prefer to subvert, or at least avoid, actual campaigning to voters.
In 1996 he got his start by knocking ALL his opponents off the ballot (including his benefactor, Alice Palmer). In his US Senate race both viable opponents imploded because a newspaper sued to have their divorce records unsealed.
This year he has relied on packing caucuses, taking his own name off the MI ballot, then when offered revotes, blocking them.
Dear Open Mind, you had better expand your consciousness quick because Hillary is winning PA by well more than 10% and the delegate win is much more than a few.
If you’re still so sure that bo has the nomination, then why is his campaign pressuring Dean to stop Hillary’s momentum NOW?
Finally, it is not us mere voters nor Hillary Clinton who is doing a job on Obama. He’s done that all by himself, through his history, his lies, his fairy tales and his indignation at being asked questions voters have every right to an answer to.
As for the Republicans, if the DNC is still so foolish as to press on with his nomination, we’ll probably just form our own NEW True Democratic Party and still get Hillary in.
Sorry if all this upsets those who long for the simple clarity of fascism or the rage-release of terrorism. Many of us still believe in thinking for ourselves and voting with integrity.
If your B(* candidate loses 8 of the next 10 contests will you still be supporting him even though he’s clearly a LOSER????
sigh - ridiculous thinking the DNC would push a loser.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/quiz/?sc=8
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