Will the Real Uniter Please Stand Up?
By PsychoDrew on April 24, 2008 at 9:00 AM in Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, MSNBC, Obamedia, Republicans
From the beginning of this campaign, Senator Obama, his campaign, and his supporters have been pushing the idea that he has the ability to unite the country and work with Republicans:
“I think it is fair to say that I believe I can bring the country together more effectively than she can,” Obama said. “I will add, by the way, that is not entirely a problem of her making. Some of those battles in the ’90s that she went through were the result of some pretty unfair attacks on the Clintons. But that history exists, and so, yes, I believe I can bring the country together in a way she cannot do. If I didn’t believe that, I wouldn’t be running.”
Note the qualification that it “is not entirely a problem of her making.”
Now I concede that polling data indicates that Obama does better among registered Republicans. An analysis of polling data by Politico last month indicates that against John McCain, Senator Obama is likely to carry more votes from Republicans than would Senator Clinton (10% to 8%). [It also noted that John McCain picked up more Democrats against Senator Obama (17%) than Senator Clinton (14%).]
Despite the polling data which shows that Obama does better among disaffected Republicans, which candidate actually has a track of reaching out to and those across the aisle? Let’s compare Senators Obama and Clinton. After Senator Obama took a beating in last Wednesday’s debate, he responded by blaming the moderators for picking on him and implied that he would not participate in any further debates. When a voter asked him about future debates, he responded
“We’re trying to figure out what our schedule looks like,” he said. “But I’ll be honest with you. We’ve now had 21, and look, in the previous three, you know, we did very well and so it’s not as if we don’t know how to do these things. I could deliver Senator Clinton’s lines. I’m sure she could deliver mine.”
With such lackluster support from Senator Obama, it should be no wonder that the next debate, schedule for April 27 in North Carolina was cancelled yesterday:
Mr. Obama showed interest in an April 19 debate in North Carolina, which would have presented viewers with a second debate before the Pennsylvania primary. Mrs. Clinton’s campaign expressed concern that April 19 was the first day of Passover, and the organizers went back to the drawing board to propose alternative dates. Mrs. Clinton’s campaign subsequently agreed to the April 27 date, but Mr. Obama’s did not.
This is not consistent with what Senator Obama said at the Las Vegas debate in November, when he suggested that the American people were looking for “straight answers to tough questions.” If he is unwilling to face tough questions in debates, how can Americans get their answers. Senator Obama delivered the aforementioned line in a debate when he accused Senator Clinton of refusing to provide these “straight answers,” but it appears that he is the one who is trying to avoid “tough questions.”
Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, has not been dodging anything. In fact, she has reached out to some of her biggest critics recently. A few weeks ago, she met with the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, a newspaper owned by Richard Mellon Scaife. If you followed politics in the 90’s, that name should ring a bell. Scaife is the guy who financed and gave rise to the “vast right-wing conspiracy:”
In the resulting book, “A Washington Tragedy: How the Death of Vincent Foster Ignited a Political Firestorm,” Moldea confirms — again — that Foster’s death was indeed a suicide and that a cabal of right-wing groups — financed by banking heir Richard Mellon Scaife — is responsible for keeping the case alive for years in an effort to tarnish the Clinton White House. Moldea also blasts the media — particularly the Wall Street Journal op-ed page and reporter Christopher Ruddy — for stoking the conspiracy fires with specious facts and inflammatory rhetoric.
This meeting was criticized by Slate and by Keith Olbermann, another critic of Senator Clinton who had the opportunity to grill her on his show last night, only a month after accusing her campaign of playing racial politics. I find it very interesting that anybody would criticize Hillary for meeting with Scaife and the editorial board of his newspaper. As Hillary explained on Keith Olbermann, leaders have to reach out to their opponents:
But I do believe in redemption, Keith. I believe in deathbed conversions and I think it’s possible for anyone to see the error of their ways. So I’m bringing people together as we speak. Anyone who doubts my ability to bridge the most incredible chasms can point to those recent remarks.
Indeed, Senator Clinton, and they can also point to your willingness to be interviewed by a man who only one month ago accused you of running a campaign rampant with covert racism.
Over the weekend, the Herald-Tribune, noting that Senator Obama, the candidate who says he can bring Republicans and Democrats together, yet refuses to meet with the editorial board, endorsed Senator Clinton:
More important, she is extremely knowledgeable on crucial foreign issues. Meeting with Trib editors last month, she ticked off an impressive list of international challenges and the solutions. (In Wednesday’s Philadelphia debate, Obama praised George H.W. Bush’s foreign policy — apparently not realizing that one of its architects was then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney, a man he regularly excoriates.)
As we noted at the time of that meeting, Clinton’s decision to sit down with the Trib was courageous, given our longstanding criticism of her. That is no small matter: Political courage is essential in a president. Clinton has demonstrated it; Obama has not.
Hillary Clinton is willing to debate. She agreed to an interview with Keith Olbermann, who has hardly been the impartial bystander he has claimed to be. And she has also shown a willingness to make peace and work with some of her toughest critics and former advesaries. For example, Hillary made her peace with Sen. Lindsey Graham, the conservative South Carolina senator and a leader in her husband’s impeachment, working together to expand health care benefits for our troops in the National Guard. In an article in Time two years ago, Sen. Graham said of Hillary:
In the Senate, a small body of big egos, Senator Clinton, 58, is sought out by her colleagues to form legislative partnerships. Her high-profile status, combined with a reputation as a smart, prepared, serious Senator, creates real influence. In a short time, this blue-state Senator with a blue-state perspective has managed to build unusual political alliances on a variety of issues with Republicans Bill Frist, Sam Brownback, Elizabeth Dole, Rick Santorum and other conservatives.As a red-state conservative, I have found common ground with her on improving health-care benefits for members of the National Guard and Reserve. We also created a bipartisan Manufacturing Caucus to help promote and address the problems facing America’s manufacturers.
Senator Clinton would be a formidable opponent for Republicans in November 2008 as the nation remains closely divided. Some say she cannot be elected President. I say those who underestimate Hillary Clinton do so at their own peril.
From Senator Obama? We have talk of hope and promises of change. But no more debates. And still no appearances on Fox News Sunday, which has hosted Hillary Clinton on numerous occasions. And still no “straight answers to tough questions.”
What do we value? Words or action?
I have to agree with the Tribune-Review on this one:
In policy terms, relatively little may separate these two. Obama ranks as one of the most liberal U.S. senators, but Clinton is no conservative. Determining how they differ is difficult, though, because Obama is long on soaring rhetoric yet painfully short on record.
He has spent just three years in the U.S. Senate. Before that, he spent just eight years as one of 177 state legislators in Illinois. Before that, he was a university lecturer, a community organizer, a civil-rights lawyer.
Quite simply, this is no portfolio for a president, the world’s most powerful leader. The presidency is no place for on-the-job training in the best of times — and certainly not when the nation is at war, the economy is struggling, and federal governance in general is adrift.
In sharp contrast, Clinton is far more experienced in government — as an engaged first lady to a governor and a president, as a second-term senator in her own right. She has a real voting record on key issues. Agree with her or not, you at least know where she stands instead of being forced to wonder.


He has spent just three years in the U.S. Senate.
And she’s spent just seven. I fail to see how that magically translates into all the experience one needs to be president, but Obama’s “three years in the U.S. Senate,” “eight years as one of 177 state legislators in Illinois”, and previous years as “a university lecturer, a community organizer, a civil-rights lawyer” do not.
Oh, right, she was married to a president, too.
He didn’t heat the slums. I guess that’s an achievement. He sold a lot of books. Big Whoop.
Considering her remarkable grasp of all the issues which are important to this country, particularly in comparison to Mr. Hope-y Change-y, I think her ability and knowledge speaks for itself. And I know you do too. You have some grey matter.
I’m thinking he had a ghost writer, anyway.
Something doesn’t add up. Either his speeches are written for him (probably) or his book was written for him (probably). All in all, I’m going to try and find out if he ever wrote a
law review article. Something tells me “no, he didn’t.” The guy is fake from the bottom of his Johnny Cash suit to the top. Why doesn’t he just put on the bow tie so we know he isn’t trying to be Johnny Cash. Why can’t he take a stand on anything? Even his fashion is wanna-be.
Someone should tell Obama that the presidency doesn’t come with a script and you get asked a lot of questions all the time.
Let’s be fair — Obama and ALL political candidates have speechwriters. Obama is purported to have written his recent speech on race. [’I have no doubts about his rhetorical and literary abilities. But a good writer doesn’t make a good president.
Incidentally, Ted Sorenson is on Obama’s speechwriting team. For those of you who don’t remember, Sorenson was responsible for many of JFK’s most memorable speeches.
http://www.kutv.com/content/news/topnews/story.aspx?content_id=916265d9-e2f0-485e-914f-80d85ff8139d
Laurie,
What you do not seem to know is that Obama’s March 18th speech, is copied from Louis Farrakhan speech at the 1995 Million Man March.
my information is that he did not write a single editorial as the law review editor. What does it say about the writer in him? Non-existent?
He should rename the next release of that one book “my dream father.” The book is as much about fantasy as it is about reality.
“He should rename the next release of that one book “my dream father.” The book is as much about fantasy as it is about reality.”
99% of the posters here brag about not having even read it. Are you one of them?
Jeff, what is it about the post, above, that you don’t get? Seriously, are all Obamaphiles so myopic in their extreme bias they won’t allow even just a little of the facts to trickle in? What’s wrong with you people…
jeff, i read it and i find all the misleading parts of it insulting. how about your candidate do a rewrite and tell the truth. you make such weak arguments with holes so big i could drive a mack truck through.
I read it in a few hours at a local book store and I’m DYSLEXIC…
It was mediocre and (I’m being kind here) drivel….Overated but then OPRAH liked it….Nuff said….
She like a million little pieces as well … more hokey okey dokey “memoir”
Oprah sucks the air out of my living room every time she is on…..Gave up on her a while ago…Just aint’ enough room in the world for anyone else but her anymore….
This poster read it. First, Obama’s writing style makes Dreams a frustratingly slow read, which may explain why it was removed from publication in 1995, and why so few of the many who purchased it after its reissue following his famous keynote address at the 2004 Democratic convention appear to have not read much of it.
Second, the plot isn’t that interesting: his first three decades are too lacking in incident to make a page-turning story. Obama has led a fairly pleasant existence, with most of its suffering and conflict taking place within his own head as he tries to turn himself into an authentic angry black man.
Third, His claim that is was a true story were also proven false when the Chicago newspapers began digging into the facts. He then changed his reference to it from a factual story into a composite of many stories.
Seems like his whole life is a farce and a fantasy at best. They go after Clinton for Bosnia — that is all they got. What a joke!
I would read it if he releases it again under Fictional Novels. Do you have any idea how much of his bull in those two books has been handily debunked? The Chicago Tribune did those books in long ago. But then they know him better than we do.
I’ve read it, Jeff.
Beepop is correct.
Now, get off your high horse.
I’ve read it and I was appalled by the utter ignorance of American political history it demonstrated. I’ve been politically active since 1965 and Barry the Ignorant got every single aspect of the history of the late 60s and 70s wrong.
Wrong on the facts as well as wrong on the interpretation of the big events. It read like it was written by teenage Libertarian staying up all night to finish a paper for his community college American political history class.
Utterly clueless and tremendously insulting to those how helped erect the social structure Barry stands on so he can lecture down to us.
Thus I found my nickname for him: Barry the Ignorant.
Fits him like his $10,000 suits.
Perfectly.
I was struck by the sophomoric historical analysis as well. But mostly, I just thought it was a rather Freudian study of a man struggling to find his niche. I also wondered at the time how much James Frey-ism was going on with the treatment of the people from Obama’s past. Turns out it was similar with all the composite “characters.”
I really wanted to be impressed with Obama after the speech at the 04 convention. I really wanted him to be the real deal. But on every level I have found him to be more like an Elvis impersonator than the real Elvis. In my opinion, he’s not on the same level as past inspirational leaders like Bobby Kennedy or MLK. He’s the Jayne Mansfeild to their Marilyn. What he has is a great branding machine behind him. I’ve written advertising for over 20 years and the marketing of this candidate has been tremendous — from the rather Pepsi-looking logo to the HOPE posters reminiscent of Soviet propaganda or something out of THey Live. He’s a good product — and been sold to the youth like an I-phone.
By the way, I know that “Dreams of My Father”
title is a rip off of somebody else’s work… But I can’t think of who it is. I mean just the title. I’m thinking of Delmore Schwartz’s “In Dreams Begin Remembrances,” but I’d swear there’s a title closer than that. Maybe it goes back to Shakespeare…
“By the way, I know that “Dreams of My Father”
title is a rip off of somebody else’s work… “
There are no rip-offs of mere titles.
Are you in the publishing business, Jeff? Can you point us to the authority for your statement? Cause see, I am … And one of the very FIRST things that a publishing house does is check title ….
“Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.”
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Well I think someone posted that the Ill. state senate meet for 55 days a year…you do the math….One year in the US senate does not make someone magically aquire presidential eperience….He can’t even run a senate committee on foriegn affairs….Too busy runnin for POTUS…Preach it to another choir…..BABY-O is a sham….
You really cannot understand how you hurt Obama’s campaign, how others use you, as a troll, against him.
Wow.
“You really cannot understand how you hurt Obama’s campaign, how others use you, as a troll, against him.
Wow.”
Popping the monolithic bubble of No Quarter’s discourse can’t be a bad thing for your or my candidate. The echo chamber however, is for both.
the echo chamber is in your head, jeff.
Jeff….is a PETULANT PILLOW BITER……
Popping the monolithic bubble? Good grief you are delusional if you think that anything you say or post is anything except a joke to the people that come to this blog because they like it and respect it and think Senator Hillary Clinton would be the best candidate for President.
You are just another sad little attention troll.
Well let’s see, Illinois State Senate works manditory 55 days a year, so 8 years, Obama worked barely a year, give him a year and a half of actual working in the State Senate. 3 years in Washington, spent 1 year selling his book and over a year running for POTUS as evident of his never holding a hearing on the commitee he chairs!
Clinton 6 years in the Senate before running for POTUS! During the year running, Clinton appears at her Commitee hearings!
Obama 2.5 years of work vs Clinton’s 6
Everyone knows Clinton’s stances, Barry, nothing!
Barry as community organizer taking claim in his book or riding slums of asphestos, when it was others who did it, but Barry takes claim for it in his books of lies! Barry sure takes claim for a lot of things, none of which he actually did! Hmmmm but counts as experience doesn’t it!
But he’s the Messiah! Don’t you get it!? When Obama is elected, the clouds will part, a bright light will shine down from the sky, celestial choirs will sing, and we’ll all hold hands and sing “We Are the World!”
Ehemmmm……Will this video appear on the OPRAHSPHERE…..LOL
Oprah got really quiet since her rating drops showed up on the radar screen. I also suspect she is more than a little embarrased over Wright. She left that church herself.
Yeah….But after how many years…Wright is a black separatist…
Oh right forgot, thanks for the reality check!
And as the skies part, Obama will be instilling Bill Ayers as Sec of Eductaion, nominating Bernadette Dohrn as Supreme Court Justice or Sec of Justice and all his other sorted fiends like Jesse Jackson Jr, Uncle Wright, Khamali and the rest into key positions in government!
Won’t this be fun as will he remove troops from Iraq as he can use the perils of war as a reason to suspend the constitution to remain in power!
But he will unite, like Lenon and Marx and all those folks he wants to sit down with and join together like Castro and the rest!
But Obama gives a great speech and everything he will do will be everyone elses fault, let’s not forget that!
Wait…you are talking about Obama, right? ‘Cause for a second there, I had some serious Bush flashbacks…ooooooooooo.
All I can say is BABY-O can organize this cracker’s foot right up his….
This guy is wreckin my party with his UNITY PIPE shit….
(snark)let the drums roll, cymbals clash! jeff has spoken! another obama supporter thinks that the annointed is superior, superior i tell you to anything or anyone. got that, unwashed hillary supporters.
what is FAILS to mention is nobama’s do nothing for the groups he supposed worked with in chicago. he present votes and his taking credit for others work. now i find he never he wrote for his supposed big job at harvard law. he has voted for iraq monies and says he doesn’t know how he would have voted. he has run a dog whisle race baiting campaign but that is hillary’s fault. his very questionable decisons and associations i see are ignored also. please jeff, don’t collect, do not pass go and go straight to jail.
“jeff has spoken! another obama supporter thinks that the annointed is superior, superior i tell you to anything or anyone. got that, unwashed hillary supporters.”
And another straw man is propped up. I never said Obama or anyone else was “superior to anything or anyone”. No one has except Hillary supporters. No Obama supporters have called him “the Messiah” either. Only Hillary supporters engage in this straw man tactic.
i am not a “strawman” jeff. i am the average voter and i don’t like your candidate. in fact i am your worst nightmare. i am an independent, former republican, business owner. i am well educated, latte drinker, and earn a good living. and i can’t stand your candidate.
i come from a working class background. i belong to a union and know what side my bread is buttered.i know about the past. do you? i doubt it.
“i am not a “strawman” jeff.”
Oh, do I really have to explain to you that I did not call you a straw man? A straw man means a fake opposing argument. One side accuses another of advocating a weaker position than they actually do. The weaker position is the “straw man”. Saying Obama supporters think he’s the messiah is “propping up a straw man”, one that is easily attacked and torn down. It’s harder to attack the real reasons Obama has so many supporters, so instead you create the straw man that the movement Obama has helped create is really just a cult.
No one called you a straw man, buddy.
” i am well educated,”
Well, maybe now you are.
i am an independent, former republican, business owner.
i belong to a union
You’re a business owner, and you belong to a union? That’s a rare mix.
Jeff….( sigh ) many independent business owners can also belong to unions…Example…A writers union…A craft guild…The AMA which is basically a union….Put down the pipe Jeff….You’re in over your head…..
“Jeff….( sigh ) many independent business owners can also belong to unions…Example…A writers union…A craft guild…The AMA which is basically a union….Put down the pipe Jeff….You’re in over your head…..”
I didn’t say they didn’t exist. I said it was a “rare mix”–which it is.
…just stopping by for your daily smacking upside your head, Jeffy.
He was a state senator in a safely liberal seat. When he ran for office in 1996, he opposed all restrictions on abortion and supported a ban on handguns. And then he claimed that he never filled out the questionnaire with that information.
And he voted present like 10 million times and said that it was a legislative trick. Really! What does that experience mean if he backtracks on everything he stood for??????
Good Post….Obama is headed for POLITICAL OBLIVION either way this goes.
If the party grownups seize control Clinton will be the nominee and will win the WH in Nov…..I feel confident in imagining her across the table from any world leader….
You are so right.
I was astounded when I saw her good-natured self on Olbermann. He is such an incompetent sexist jerk and she was gracious and informative, as usual. Obama never informs, he only performs in front of his adoring acolytes–a scary requirement for a presidential candidate.
I just find it amazing that Obama calls himself a uniter but has no legislative record to back it up. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton bravely walks into the lion’s den to be questioned by her toughest critics. She was grilled by the man who accused her of killing Vince Foster. He called her a murderer. She worked on legislation with Senators who participated in a gross perversion of the Constitution and humiliated her.
And Obama won’t even talk to Fox News????
I don’t get how he is the big uniter.
Hillary’s discipline astounds me. She has EXACTLY the right qualities for president. She never seems to take personally the phalanx of attacks against her. She remains composed and, well, PRESIDENTIAL!
Obama whines, pouts and hides. And he gets his little ankle biters to do his dirty work, like poor little Jeff here, who is clearly an uninformed sheep, someone strung out on the kool aid. and you know, the kool aid seems to be running out. all the flavors of Hope and Change are gone!!
Hillary unites by being herself. She’s the real deal.
I only hope the Super Delegates are paying close attention and are not on Obama’s payroll of dirty money.
Agree….Hillary Clinton displays TYPICAL ADULT BEHAVIOR….She is unflappable….
exactly what we need at 3:00 am with a crisis i’d say. and it doesn’t hurt that the one lying beside her has been there and done that.
Agree……It’s a win win and I don’t give a shit if he keeps his zipper closed or not…Never did….This is shit is serious Globally Speaking of course…Horde your rice…Know what I mean…
the chickens are coming home to roost and i am not quoting rev wrong.
Corinthians….When I became a man I put away childish thngs….Jeff you need to put some serious and sober thought into yo mind…..Put down the pipe…Come up for air…
“It’s a win win and I don’t give a shit if he keeps his zipper closed or not…”
You should. He blew all his remaining presidential political capital with that affair. It drained all the energy out of the remainder of his presidency.
Jeff:
The thread is on Obama and Hillary. No need to bring Bill. However, Bill still has political capital.
Personally, I would rather go see Bill, standing on the back of a pick up, talking to small crowds in rural towns.
It is preferable to being one of the thousands that go to pay their respects to Obama, the elitist that claims to be a uniter.
Here are a few articles that seemed to escape the uniter criticism radar. Add these to the list of evidence against his rhetoric.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/29/AR2008022902784_pf.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/30/AR2008033002401_pf.html
Obama is a uniter like Bush. Barack will unite everyone against himself. Obama, look at what he does, not at what he says. He ain’t no uniter. Look at the Dems…never as divided as now, except maybe 1968. Even now it is more volitile.
BABY-O has united a phalanx of pouting PILLOW BITERS….And they can smoke that US GOVT. ISSUE CRACK FORM THE UNITY PIPE all the way over the cliff……Please take Dean the Putz and Donnidiot BraZeal with you….
Remember back when they said that Hillary Clinton was too divisive?
For me, it’s all about the track record. Hers is strong and his is non-existent.
He has a track record, his books, the ones he claims to have a father who was part of the kennedy Airlift and he is a product of Selma! Funny how a guy writes about his own life and lies about it, what is wrong with this picture?
I think his SAVANT capacity to absorb foriegn policy at the age of 6 in Indonesia certainly inspires confidence…No ?
Only if he plays a musical instrument too.
what is wrong? he takes a lot of liberties with the truth!
Well true his foreign experience is life long, and his liberal views of the truth are far reaching, but let’s not forget he does have a good woman to keep him straight now, a proud woman of the country she even said so!
Ehemmm…..MICHELLE PAY YOUR PROPERTY TAXES…..LOL. nuff said
Yeah look now united we are. I mean entire blocks of voters are insulted. That will change though. As soon as Haley’s Comet rolls around again.
Great writing PsychoDrew - We have already experienced what one individual who claimed to be a “Uniter, not a Divider” accomplished - dividing a nation already divided even more severely and creating an even deeper divide.
Who among us believes Senator Obama has the first clue as to how to unite people. I can give examples of divisive comments he has made - “Hillary you’re like-able enough”, “clinging to their guns or religion”, “you’re being bamboozled”, and on and on… He most certainly has not demonstrated an ability to unite people, either as a Senator or as a campaigner. When any record of his years in the Illinois Senate have been scrubbed, one can only speculate about those years. There is not much to back up his statements about reaching across party lines and working in a non-partisan way to unite the country. In fact, his one-page resume leaves doubt about more than that…
He’s uniting the white, blue-collar workers that used to be the Democratic base. Where are these people going to go if he’s the nominee?
Excellent point PsychoDrew.
Ehemmmm…….To the local pub….
Me? I’ll go to church first, and then stop by the pistol range on the way home after Sunday Brunch.
ROFL…..Be sure to cling to that gun o yours and be on the look out……Don’t forget to horde Rice….
Thanks for that!!! I have fond memories of my LIFE in Florida! THAT clip was worth sending around!!
I don’t want a President who can work with Republicans. Fuck Repubs.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko/910971,rezko042308.article
OT, but pertinent, Rove tried to have Fitzgerald fired.
I wonder why, and what does this have to do with Obama?
And I wonder how the republicans will react to this, now, given their own are being exposed…
Alinksying themselves, no doubt.
LOL…
And real republicans, dealing in good faith, should be respected, as should their views.
It’s the corrupt ones, ya know, the Roves and the Delays and the Cheneys who should be put in prison, with their democratic counterparts.
I just read that too Simon, and the worst part is, read the comments by Obamatrons, they are absolutly unable to make the small set of leaps between Rezco, Rove and Obama. They are actually terrified to ask themselves WHY would Rove try and protect a Dem fundraiser, slumlord, and con man who raised money for Obama. Wow, my dog, Baldrick has better critical thinking skills than Obamatrons…and he can’t even figure out how glass doors work. (I see squirrel, can’t get squirrel…BONK!)
And I think i’s because both are supported financially by the same people, say Auchi, and Talet Othman’s boss.
So I consider them the same, (with difference though).
Boy, panic in detroit, I think this issue hits a neocon Rove nerve, Fitzgerald’s investigations into the IL combine, and Washington…
Well…..Nixon had his fans too…..No ?
Merl…I have to disagree with you there…Politely….Grown ups need to be able to work with the opposition on occasion….Hillary is a grownup and knows which battles to pick and choose….A hallmark of ADUTHOOD….
Ive always thought a balanced POV was best, myself.
I look at Cheney and see how ko0ky and unworkable his ideas are, but on the left you have someone like Robert Reich, say, or Ayers, and it’s just as untenable.
But Hagel, last I heard anyway, as a Republican, struck me as decent, we wouldn’t agree on ALL policy, but he appears to want what is best for his constituents, as opposed to his financial masters, so he has credibility.
But boy, this neocon crew is stupid, really really stupid.
I think that most of us here do not have alot of love loss when it comes to the Republicans. But, Obama touts himself as a unifying figure. He sells himself as the candidate that can attract independent voters and moderate Republicans. He is the one who talks about what a great political changing figure Ronald Reagan was. He is the one who says that he can work acrosse the aisle, something he has in fact not done in his time in the Senate. No one made this an issue but Obama himself.
i was thinking yesterday about reagan. i was no fan of his but give credit where due. he debated and gave a big smile while destroying carter. he didn’t run and hide in a debate like obama is doing. that is part of why he won.
I hate to say it but Carter deserved it….His was a presidential disaster.
Skipped Civics in high school, did you?
Yuck. Then you just get baby Repubs.
hmmmm…..Kinda makes miss Ol’ Tip…..( sigh )
That’s like saying - I have this disgusting disease but FK IT I don’t want to deal with it.
YEA that will sure help CURE the problem!
dee, dee, dee!