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A Lincoln-Douglas Debate? But Obama Just Isn’t Up To It

Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.usWhen danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Obama turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.

  - From Riverdaughter’s blog

Barack Obama is cowering in fear of another embarrassing debate performance. In contrast, a confident Hillary Clinton is petitioning Obama to honor the debate he reneged on in North Carolina (originally scheduled today) and challenging him to more debates in Indiana and Oregon.

Today, Hillary Clinton upped the ante, proposing a 90-minute Lincoln-Douglas style debate before Indiana’s primary. Obama is sure to refuse.

“[I]ndescribably stupid” is what Tom Watson calls Obama’s repeated refusals to debate in North Carolina or Indiana. In “All the Wrong Moves,” Watson observes:

For one, running and hiding from Hillary looks, well, like running and hiding from Hillary. It cements that growing perception in the press that she’s tougher, and that he’s a brittle political actor - all smiles when the polls are moving upward, quite another story in stormy seas. When you’re running against a beloved American war hero and the Republican attack machine, this is never a good posture.

Secondly, it leaves Obama’s terrible performance in the last debate at the top of people’s minds when they think of the two Democrats duking it out. For all the hand-wringing about the inane ABC News questions in the debate’s first half, it was Obama’s sullen and seemingly lost persona that was the Philly battle’s real story. …

Harry S. Truman, the same president who said, “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen,” also said:

America was not built on fear. America was built on courage, on imagination and an unbeatable determination to do the job at hand.

Senator Obama, move past your fears and face your opponent, or get out of the kitchen. It is Hillary Clinton who has both the “courage” and the “unbeatable determination to do the job at hand.”

That ABC News debate, held days before the April 22nd Pennsylvania primary, proved disastrous for Senator Obama, who was flummoxed and tongue-tied by tough questions about his questionable longtime associations with Rev. Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers. And Tom Watson is spot on in pointing out that Obama’s refusal to accept more debates actually further cements the unfavorable memories of that last performance in people’s minds.

Since the debate and subsequent drubbing in the Keystone State’s primary, Obama has reneged on a promise to debate in North Carolina that would have been carried on CBS and moderated by a surely gentler Katie Couric. (Clinton spokesman Lanny Davis has intimated that DNC Chair Howard Dean abetted Obama in weasling out of the debate.)

In a preview of Sunday’s interview of Obama by Fox News’s Chris Wallace –
Obama: No More Debates Before Next Primary” — Obama provided disingenuous excuses:

Asked why he was repeatedly “ducking” Clinton’s debate challenges before the Indiana and North Carolina primaries, Obama said, as he has before, that he just wants to spend time with voters.

“I’m not ducking. We’ve had 21 (debates), and so what we’ve said is, with two weeks, two big states, we want to make sure we’re talking to as many folks possible on the ground taking questions from voters,” he said, so no debates.

“We’re not going to have debates between now and Indiana,” he said.

Typically, he exaggerated.  In fact, there have been 21 debates, but only four debates that directly pitted him against Senator Clinton.

Saturday’s post at ABC News blog Political Radar, “Clinton Challenges Obama to a ‘Lincoln-Douglas’ Debate,” offers more details on the proposed Lincoln-Douglas debate:

Speaking in South Bend, Ind., Sen. Clinton said, “What I think the people in Indiana deserve is a real one-on-one debate, where Sen. Obama and I discuss [the] issues. Now I have accepted the debates that have been offered, and in fact Indiana has a debate commission which organizes this to make sure it’s fair and nobody gets any special advantages. I’ve said I’ll be anywhere, anytime in order to debate, because I think the people of Indiana — after having wandered in the wilderness of American politics for 40 years — deserve a break. Who knows, we might even carry Indiana in the fall if we start with a good debate right here.”

Clinton continued, “Unfortunately, Sen. Obama has not agreed yet, and he’s turned down every debate that has been offered. So here I have a proposition my campaign sent his campaign today. You know, after the last debate in Philadelphia, Sen. Obama’s supporters complained a little bit about the tough questions (awwwwwww heard in the audience). You know tough questions in a debate are nothing compared to the tough questions you get when you are president.”

Clinton challenged Obama, saying, “And they complained about the moderators asking tough questions. So here is my proposal: I’m offering Sen. Obama the chance to debate me one-on-one, no moderators.  Just the two of us going for 90 minutes asking and answering questions. We’ll set whatever rules seem fair. I think it would give the people of Indiana — and I assume a few Americans will tune in because nearly 11 million watched the Philadelphia debate, and I think they would like seeing that discussion. Remember that’s what happened during the Lincoln and Douglas debates. Now we have had like four debates between Sen. Obama and myself.”

So what is Clinton really talking about here?  We’ve all become so accustomed to the televised mass media-styled debate that a review is in order, via Wikipedia’s description of the Lincoln-Douglas debates:

The debates were held in seven towns in the state of Illinois: Ottawa on August 21, Freeport on August 27, Jonesboro on September 15, Charleston on September 18, Galesburg on October 7, Quincy on October 13, and Alton on October 15. …

Seven debates in 7 different towns in less than 60 days!

Each debate had this format: one candidate spoke for an hour, then the other candidate spoke for an hour and a half, and then the first candidate was allowed a half hour “rejoinder.” The candidates alternated speaking first. As the incumbent, Douglas spoke first in four of the debates.

Take a quick look at the text in “The Lincoln-Douglas Debates of 1858,” posted at a National Park Service site.

Talk about detailed and wonky!  There were no moderators. The crowd obviously shouted out questions. And the two men often took a cue from those questions, switched gears and answered them, right off the top of their heads.  There were no speechwriters or earpieces available to help them out. There were no teleprompters.  Yet the depth and breadth of knowledge that they displayed — and their ability to convey it — is mindboggling!

We’ve all watched, in debate after debate, as Hillary Clinton displayed the same breadth and depth of knowledge, an ability that even her most ardent detractors admit she commands.

There was also media meddling in the reporting of the original Lincoln-Douglas debates:

“Newspaper coverage of the debates was intense, as major papers from Chicago sent stenographers to create complete texts of each debate. Then newspapers across the nation reprinted the full text of the debates as published by the Chicago papers.  Interestingly, newspapers that supported Douglas edited his speeches to remove any errors made by the stenographers and to correct grammatical errors, while they left Lincoln’s speeches in the rough form in which they had been transcribed. In the same way, Republican papers edited Lincoln’s speeches, but left the Douglas texts as reported.”

Sound familiar?

Now, what Senator Clinton is suggesting isn’t nearly as strenuous as the Lincoln-Douglas debates surely were.

“Senator Clinton believes deeply that political debates are a vital part of our democratic process,” her press release reads.

It is the American way to place our would-be leaders side by side to hear them articulate and defend their ideas; to challenge each other on their visions for the future; to answer the tough questions about their plans, their records and their judgments; and to celebrate their achievements.

“Senator Obama has declined the invitation from CBS and the North Carolina Democratic Party to appear for a debate at North Carolina State University tomorrow evening. Senator Obama has apparently declined the invitation of the Indiana Debate Commission to appear for a debate in Indiana next week. Senator Obama has not responded to Senator Clinton’s challenge to debate in Oregon.

Will there be no debates in other upcoming states? The American people, of course, deserve more. They deserve debates before casting their votes. They deserve debates just like the states who have participated in this invigorating process before them.

Surely Senator Obama wants open discourse about important issues!  What does it say about him if he refuses?  

Is it that he isn’t willing to take the risk, now that he is no longer guaranteed “a pillow” at these debates?

Or is it just that he’s chicken?

If he can’t handle the relatively soft, wonky questions that Senator Clinton will ask, how could he ever handle John McCain?

How will he hold up under the relentless attacks of the GOP 527s?

The ball’s back in your court, Senator Obama.

Show us… do you know how to play hardball?

If not, get out now. And give the Democratic party the one nominee who can take the heat and can handle the hardball questions: Hillary Clinton.

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Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 00:48:15

That picture is creepy looking!

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 00:52:34

I posted this earlier:

detnews com reports “Clinton challenges Obama to Lincoln-Douglas style debate.”

I’d LOVE to see that! Obama would not stand a chance so I doubt he will agree unless they stick a speaker in Obama’s mouth and Axelrod talks through it.

Comment by scott | 2008-04-27 08:26:12

Axelrod couldn’t help him either. I saw and interview with him last week, I think he writes the parts of Barrys speeches where he says um..um..ah.

 
 

Comment by DisenfranchisedVoter | 2008-04-27 01:10:59

That picture was the first thing I saw on this page and I burst out laughing. Hilarious.

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-04-27 01:27:43

It’s from one of Larry’s naughty friends. I love it!

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 01:29:48

I laughed, but it is still creepy looking.

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-04-27 02:24:35

I quoted “Wizard of OZ” last thread. Must be in the ither tonight.

I had him pegged as the scarecrow.

My sane half has more fortitude than I do. We were talking about the Obama supporters and she was reading through some CNN posts,after I said to her it is out of hand.

Bitter and voting for Obama

April 25th, 2008 1:15 pm ET

Obama I love you and guess what if the media didn’t bring up Rev Wright, they would have brought up Rev. Wrong. They would do and say anything to keep a good black man out of the white house. That’s why it’s called the “White” house. You are our Moses and you would take us to the promise land.

.

Frakkin A. This was an average post.

 
 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-04-27 08:42:47

Ehemmm……Hope you guys are’nt accused of darkening the pic…LOL

Comment by Patrick Walker | 2008-04-27 09:47:52

Well, I had a hard time matching colors up so I said screw it and made it grayscale.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-04-27 10:28:16

High quality satire….I salute you sir….

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by simon, too | 2008-04-27 14:05:04

I was thinking he could pass as a woman, little make up, no ears at the top of his head…

Anyway, what our government faced during the civil war, what Lincoln had to deal with as President, was quite comparable, or even worse, than what we have to deal with, in terms of corruption, and loyalty today.

When the South succeeded, many from the Union wanted to appease them for, ahem “unity,” but Lincoln held firm, understanding the ramifications slavery would have on the future of the Union.

And the army was FULL of traitors, Stanton had to rebuild the whole force into a winning team.

And he did.

In fact, when I feel discouraged given the Matthews, and the Deans, and the Pelosis, I remember Lincoln and the American people had it even worse, politically, in their day.

Of course, they didn’t have to worry about nukes in the hands of MORONS, but I suppose there are some safeguards.

 
 

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 00:50:31

OT with all the crying wolf about racism where is the outrage about the sexism from the holier than thou Obamessiah?

Comment by may not have to leave party | 2008-04-27 01:15:38

now why would the obamessiah complain about something that’s so much a part of his core belief system?

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 01:28:03

He could at least pretend to give a shit?

Comment by may not have to leave party | 2008-04-27 01:45:44

good point. he pretends to give a shit about everything else, like poor people, white people, asian people, gay people, latino people, african-american people - yes, i said it, he’s only pretending about african-american people, too.

funny the only people he doesn’t pretend to care about are terrorists - could it be because they are the only people he does care about?

 
 
 
 

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-04-27 00:51:47

Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat.
Oh bravely bravely brave
Obama.

Comment by MBolack and SusanUnPC | 2008-04-27 00:53:52

Uh oh … this may turn into a poetry blog!

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-04-27 00:59:09

No. Monty Python (and the Holy Grail).

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-04-27 01:03:55

To take this to its conclusion:

Obama ran away
Bravely ran away away

When questions reared their ugly heads
He bravely turned his tail and fled

Brave Obama turned about
and gallantly he chickened out

Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat

Bravely bravely brave
Obama.

(borrowed from “The Legend of Sir Robin.)

Comment by JULIE | 2008-04-27 21:17:40

still cant stop laughing…lol

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by TRUTHSHOUTER | 2008-04-27 01:07:15

IF THE CLINTONS STEAL THE NOMINATION I’M VOTING FOR MCCAIN!

Comment by TRUTHSHOUTER | 2008-04-27 01:08:54

AND I’LL VOTE REPUBLICAN ALL THE WAY DOWN THE BALLOT.

Comment by DisenfranchisedVoter | 2008-04-27 01:15:16

Good for you. Now go away.

Comment by TRUTHSHOUTER | 2008-04-27 01:20:32

LIBERALS ARE FASCISTS!

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 01:24:44

I think your meds may need adjustment?

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-04-27 05:07:13

Either that or the Obamabot needs to stick his head out the window and get some air.

But Gosh — even after all the facts are emerging some folk still “love” snObama. Wonder how much their being paid to “love” snObama?

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-04-27 05:35:56

Hey Rain..Somebody ( OBAMADROID ) hijacked my moniker….
What do you think…Who knew Latin was so painful….

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by stodghie | 2008-04-27 02:13:22

please! you were voting that way anyway. whatever the rnc is paying, it is too much.

 
 

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-04-27 01:15:59

“THE CLINTONS” are not running for any office. So you will need to vote for Senator Clinton when the DNC comes to its senses and nominates her.

Comment by TRUTHSHOUTER | 2008-04-27 01:19:02

THE CLINTONS ARE KILLING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

[SOMEONE needs his privileges revoked. - SusanUnPC, the meanie administrator]

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 01:22:29

Are you from a parallel universe? Or maybe a reverse dimension? You sure as hell are not from this universe or dimension.

Comment by TRUTHSHOUTER | 2008-04-27 01:30:30

I’LL SEND MONEY TO JOHN HAGEE!

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 01:37:22

I think you mean EEGAH NHOJ since you seem to be from that reverse dimension?

Without fanfare, in an e-mail sent the latter part of Friday, Hagee backed off his assertion that Televanglist John Hagee has endorsed Republican presidential candidate John McCain of Arizona Hurricane Katrina was the Almighty’s punishment of New Orleans because it had planned to host a gay pride parade.

 

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-04-27 01:44:50

As if we give a sh*t. Go pollute some other blog.

 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-27 07:10:44

Do you know that studies show there is an inverse relationship between emotional stability and over-use of exclamation marks and caps?

I don’t care if Dracula supports John McCain. I am still never going to vote for your Plastic Jesus.

 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-04-27 08:45:28

Truthshouter…Tuam metri feci….Now waddle back to the asylum as they are serving breakfast….

Comment by MessyMarcy | 2008-04-27 13:20:22

Is feci Latin for koolaid?

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-04-27 15:12:23

No This classic latin insult translates to…I did your mother.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-27 06:13:40

Does your mother know you are here?

 
 
 

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-04-27 01:32:06

Go over to Free Republic — it’s more your style.

 

Comment by Patti | 2008-04-27 06:23:36

Steal the nomination, first someone has to win the nomination… And guess what neither has WON it.

Comment by PMS | 2008-04-27 06:59:24

Thank you! Everyone out there in Bizzaroworld seems to have forgotten this small point.

 
 

Comment by Patti | 2008-04-27 08:40:53

You do realize that only one is running for Office…

 

Comment by Percy | 2008-04-27 14:59:24

LOL ….. neither can “steal” the nomination. Neither can reach 2024. Both need SuperDelegates. The role of the SD is to cast a vote for the candidate they think will make the best candidate and President…..period. Their role is not to mimic the voting people.. if that was the case, then their role would not be needed. Right now the race is 50-50 … so neither can steal the nomination.

If Obama is the nominee, I am voting for McCain… we are in far better hands with McCain than Obama. If Obama gets in.. we will be a mess and it will be a long time before a Dem can get in again!

If McCain gets in… we can try again in 4 years.

The vote the SDs are actually casting is between Hillary and McCain. They just think it is between Hillary and Obama.

 
 

Comment by SusanUnPC | 2008-04-27 01:29:18

Here’s a great site from a very busy woman who is working her tail off to help Hillary. You GO HERE and find out all the different ways you can pitch in in the remaining primary states, no matter where you live.

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 01:30:59

Cool thanks I will bookmark it now.

 
 

Comment by Charles Lemos | 2008-04-27 03:36:54

That picture is a riot. I can’t even think to write I am laughing so hard. I feel sorry for Obama, well not that sorry, but his campaign is a mockery. What a pathetic man.

On a more serious note, Clinton is doing every right now, Bill is a little loose with the tongue, but otherwise the Clinton camp is hitting on all cylinders. The debate proposal is sheer brilliance especially on the heels of a poor performance in Philly that led to his withdrawal from the NC debate followed on Thursday last by the Indianapolis Star’s call for a debate in Indiana and now this. Obama is looking to run out the clock and it is apparent, or rather transparent. And that looks so unbecoming a CiC.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-04-27 05:10:56

When Ol’ Bill gets his dander up it riles up the base…It’s alright…He’ll calm down in the GE….Man knows how to play this game better than any other democrat….and it’s helping her more than the msm would like to admit…

Comment by MessyMarcy | 2008-04-27 13:35:40

I just love it when Bill Clinton goes off script and his face gets red and he really gives an earful to the MSM or whatever entity is currently most in need of a big dose of truth. The saddest thing about political campaigns today is the way all candidates think they have to be so careful about every word coming out of their mouths that they end up saying nothing. And I understand that they do really have to be that cautious because of the gotcha nature of the MSM that focuses on everything but real issues, but it’s still sad.

 
 
 

Comment by formerhoosier | 2008-04-27 04:15:41

Should ask Senator Obama if he is doing his Bert Lahr impression.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-04-27 05:14:17

Well you’d have to search for him under Michelle’s bed…He’s hiding…Shapin up to be a good weekend for Clinton…..

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 07:55:55

He certainly can’t hide in his closet as there is no room in it with all the skeletons in there.

 
 
 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-27 06:11:37

Bert Lahr just sat straight up in his casket.

 

Comment by bob h | 2008-04-27 06:46:13

My sense is that there has been a subterranean shift towards Hillary. Dowd today allows for the possibility that Obama is not inevitable. My sense is that she goes all the way.

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 06:57:22

On all three points you make excellent and may you be right!

 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-27 07:06:47

My God,Dowd must have opened her Xanax bottle with her teeth while she was writing that.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-04-27 08:20:45

I wonder which one of Gagodowd’s personalities wrote that piece…This has been an excellent weekend for the future Madame President….

 

Comment by rjj | 2008-04-27 08:52:29

Dowd is hedging. She can’t afford to be seen as irrelevant, out of touch, or ineffective - she might have to get a real job but all she knows how to do is gossip + sit on her ass and type.

Comment by kenoshaMarge | 2008-04-27 09:53:54

isn’t it too late for Dowdy not to be seen as irrelevant, out of touch or ineffective? Can anyone remember when she ever wrote anything relevant? Snotty and snarky, yes. Relevant, no.

Just because the Dowdy one bashes Bush or Cheney once in a while in between constant attacks on Democrats as far in the rear view mirror as the eye can see, doesn’t count.

 
 

Comment by sjc-tx | 2008-04-27 10:17:44

Dowd??!!! OMG! I best go read that. I usually have to wait till my meals are digested before I read her snooty tripe!

 
 
 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-27 07:05:49

Larry, Michelle is going to get you and your little dog too for this.

 

Comment by PMS | 2008-04-27 07:12:59

Com’on folks, get those guitars (and lutes) out!

Bravely bold Obama rode forth from Camelot
He was not scared to debate, O brave Obama
He was not at all afraid to be grilled in nasty ways
Brave, brave, brave, brave Obama

/ Em - - - - B7 Em - / - - - - D - G - /
/ G - - - D Asus4 D - / Em D G - D - B7 - /

He was not in the least bit scared he’d be mashed into a pulp
Or he’d have his eyes gouged out and his elbows broken
he’d have his kneecaps split and his body burned away
And his limbs all hacked and mangled, brave Obama

His head smashed in and his heart cut out
And his liver removed and his bowels unplugged
And his waffle eaten and his bottom burnt off
Metaphorically speakin’…

/ G - D - / / / /

Brave Obama ran away
Bravely ran away, away
When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled
Yes, brave Obama turned about
And gallantly he chickened out
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the brave, Obama

/ Em D Em - / Em - - - - D Em - / G - D - / Em - D - /
/ G - D - / Em - B7 - / Em D G B7 / / D - - - G - - - /

http://www.geocities.com/vortigernstudies/python_robin.jpg

(Wish I could get that link thingie to work!)

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-27 14:50:30

I LOVE it PMS!

 
 

Comment by pm317 | 2008-04-27 07:24:22

Let us please leave him to his WAFFLES, shall we?

 

Comment by Denni | 2008-04-27 07:26:05

Isn’t a little odd, that in a presidential race rife with ‘identity politics’ and numerous defenses against gender bias, there’s such a strong need to paint Obama in the most emasculating language possible? I don’t understand the need for this! The man was born at a time the nation was just outlawing miscegenation laws. He faced racism down from the time he was born. He was the first AA editor of Harvard’s law review. He’s lived in places most of us have never visited, under conditions most of us couldn’t imagine. He turned down a lucrative SCOTUS clerkship to make 13,000 dollars a year, living in poverty.

Now he’s a ‘girly man’, a coward?

He’s held an unprecedented number of debates with Sen. Clinton (most of them covering no new ground) and he’s turning his focus to the nation’s REAL threat: the Republican party.

I’m applauding him for that.

Comment by PMS | 2008-04-27 07:31:09

Denni, you have drunk deep of the kool-aid draught, eh? Sing along!

Brave Obama ran away
Bravely ran away, away
When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled
Yes, brave Obama turned about
And gallantly he chickened out
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the brave, Obama

Comment by Denni | 2008-04-27 08:09:31

I’m not a ‘kool aid’ drinker. I’m just a thoughtful Independent, but if it takes drinking kool aid to avoid making gender biased statements and to treat others with dignity, I highly recommend it.

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 08:26:52

I think you don’t have a sense of humor or irony and your argument can’t change the fact Obama is now acting like a coward.

Comment by Denni | 2008-04-27 08:42:39

I have a great sense of humor… I just don’t think it’s ‘funny’ to whine about gender bias and then engage in it. Just sayin’. I’ve seen more courage from Obama than any other candidate (enough so that he didn’t have to invent ’sniper fire’ to prove his courage). Just throwin’ that one out there. ;-)

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 08:50:28

By the way I am not using gender bias. And Obama is still a coward so nice try. Or is calling someone a coward “gender bias” to you? Obama is still a coward or do we have to use some PC term for cowardice now? Or did you mistake the cowardly lion with Obama’s face to be a women?

OK if it makes you happy Obama is intestinal fortitude challenged. Happy now?

 

Comment by stodghie | 2008-04-27 11:58:19

obama has no courage or he would be out there demanding a time to debate. he would go on faux and say yeah he is a proud aa and liberal politican. he does NONE OF THAT. he sucks up to whoever he is with the exception of hillary. he has condoned sexist attacks and false race baiting charges. dang, honor? that is a word in the dictionary to him.

 
 
 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-04-27 14:52:22

Hey I got called a c*nt no less than four times in this election season from you “thoughtful” people so screw you.

 
 
 

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 07:40:49

Isn’t a little odd, that in a presidential race rife with ‘identity politics’ and numerous defenses against gender bias, there’s such a strong need to paint Obama in the most emasculating language possible?

You are surprised? For example I would not call him a “pussy” but some might call him that because he is too scared to debate because his opponent is better. His past has no bearing on the emasculation. Did you forget he is running for president? This is the big leagues and you can’t misdirect or massage this to make him look any better. He is now behaving as a coward in the opinion of many so I guess you will just have to live with this.

 

Comment by rjj | 2008-04-27 07:55:38

It is this liberal pity, one of the most obscene forms of self-aggrandizement, that emasculates. Had he ANY experience of adversity, he would display more character. He is indeed the product of his generation, both white AND black: self-absorbed, self-indulgent, and entitled. Fuck sexism and racism, this is ageism.

 

Comment by kenoshaMarge | 2008-04-27 08:31:20

He’s held an unprecedented number of debates with Sen. Clinton (most of them covering no new ground) and he’s turning his focus to the nation’s REAL threat: the Republican party.

Well she’s offering him a chance to have a real debate, sans bobble-head media types and he simply isn’t interested. Needs to spend more time with the “voters”.

If he is the nominee, and I hope not, then he has just given the real enemy, aka the Republican Party all the ammunition it needs to portray him as afraid of a “girl”.

And thus far, having listened to what’s coming out of the Obama campaign I was under the impression that they thought the “real” enemy was the Bill Clinton Administration, or the only two term Democratic Presidency in 40 years. Only one of the many reasons I loathe him, his surrogates and all his whiny little supporters.

Comment by Denni | 2008-04-27 08:44:43

Ok, 21 debates, what new info is to be gained? Works in terms of getting more press if your campaign is cash strapped, but it does little for the rest of the public. I’ve heard more than enough from both, at this point. The debates WON’T change the outcome, no matter how much some wish they would.

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 08:54:05

Why do people keep massaging the truth by using the 21 number? They have had only FOUR debates one on one. Obama is still a coward or to be PC intestinal fortitude challenged if calling him a coward is “gender bias.”

As far as the outcome is concerned unless you have a crystal ball you can’t claim to know what it is.

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 08:57:51

I double checked the definition of a coward and there is no “gender bias” attached to it. Women and men can be cowards.

 
 

Comment by rjj | 2008-04-27 08:59:17

I’ve heard more than enough from both, at this point.

Good for YOU.

Nobody proposed that watching or listening or thinking would be compulsory, did they, honeydear?

Comment by Reverend Wrong | 2008-04-27 09:06:58

We demand better quality trolls! I think I read somewhere someone said something like that.

Comment by MessyMarcy | 2008-04-27 14:01:25

Better quality trolls — we keep asking, but the more they come, the worse they get. As pointed out in the post, Lincoln and Douglas debated seven times. One of Obama’s main talking points is that he is the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln, so why stop at four? His whining now sounds a lot like when he said “I’ve answered, like, eight questions,” and then exited stage left.

 
 
 

Comment by FLVoter | 2008-04-27 10:44:46

“I’ve heard more than enough from both, at this point.”

If you had been paying attention you wouldn’t be an ob defender.

 

Comment by Hoosiergal | 2008-04-27 11:11:50

Why are all you Obama supporters so afraid of another debate? As a resident of Indiana, I am all for it.I find it insulting that he cannot find the time to debate the issues and explain the propaganda he keeps dumping in my mailbox but he has all the time in the world to play basketball. Give it a rest. If your not interested….don’t watch. Eleven million people watched the last debate. Could you just imagine for one minute how much money we could raise if it were pay for view? We could probably pay off the national debt. The buzz amoung us Hoosiers is “How can this guy face the Iranians or that crazy North Korean if he can’t go toe-to-toe with Katie Couric?” I don’t know what you call where you come from, but here in Indiana, we call it chickenshit.

 

Comment by stodghie | 2008-04-27 11:59:52

tell us,does your head hurt with memorizing and thing reposting obama’s commercials.

 
 
 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-04-27 08:48:38

Denni….I call him a chickenshit for backin out of the debate and it won’t play well to the upcoming states….Nuff said….

 

Comment by sjc-tx | 2008-04-27 10:22:44

Huh???? Wow!!! Must be a new flavor of kool0aid out there!!!

 

Comment by stodghie | 2008-04-27 11:41:49

applaud all you like. i applaud those who deserve it. ole barry has used his status to his advantage more than any politician i have ever seen. he never even wrote for the harvard review, poster. he did nothing in the state legislature except find a supposed king maker to put his name of legislation worked for and he didn’t deserve it. he claims 90% of the aa vote and has never done one daxx thing for them. so save that faux applause.

 

Comment by MessyMarcy | 2008-04-27 13:48:10

Maybe he’s just decided that the best course of action for him now is to follow that old saying that it’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool than speak up and remove all doubt.

 

Comment by PMS | 2008-04-27 13:52:42

Isn’t a little odd, that in a presidential race rife with ‘identity politics’ and numerous defenses against gender bias, there’s such a strong need to paint Obama in the most emasculating language possible? I don’t understand the need for this! The man was born at a time the nation was just outlawing miscegenation laws.

I was born when they were still on the books in amny places, so?

He faced racism down from the time he was born.

Not so much.

He was the first AA editor of Harvard’s law review.

He was the first one ever elected who never published anything, which may be more telling.

He’s lived in places most of us have never visited, under conditions most of us couldn’t imagine.

You’re right. I’ve never lived in a high-rise in Honoluhlu, or the diplomatic section of Indonesia. I can’t imagine.

He turned down a lucrative SCOTUS clerkship to make 13,000 dollars a year, living in poverty.

Oh, poor guy. How’d it work out for him? Still poverty stricken? How about those tenants of Rezkos, the ones without water and heat? Did he share in, or ignore and profit from, their misery?

Comment by PMS | 2008-04-27 13:54:50

Wow. Typo land. My bad. Adrenalin induced vision blurring.