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Identity Politics and Anti-White Racism

“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire

Recent polls show that approximately 30% of Hillary voters could defect to McCain if Obama is the nominee. That such a large swath of Democratic voters might defect should be disconcerting to superdelegates, to say the least. I’ve been reflecting for several weeks on my own unease with Obama, a man who was once my second choice for president.

Last month I attended a Passover dinner and the conversation predictably turned to politics. (For those who don’t know, a Passover Seder is perhaps the first liberation theology ceremony, celebrating the Jewish people’s Exodus from slavery in Egypt).

One of my dinner companions was a computer salesman from New Jersey and an avid Obama supporter. I told him that Obama’s (largely) successful effort to paint the Clintons as racists had me doubting if I could vote for him if he were the nominee. He responded by saying that it was good politics and showed that Obama was willing to do whatever it took to win.

His acknowledging that Obama has been playing racial politics has me rethinking the idea of a racial dog-whistle, the notion that only African Americans, for example, understand that when Obama says “hoodwink, okie-doke, bamboozled,” he means that the Clintons are treating them like fools, attempting to undermine the Clintons’ hard-earned reputations as advocates for all Americans.

Most Americans who are paying attention, I suggest, understand Obama’s use of race. Obama’s problems with Bitter-gate and Rev. Wright underscore that Obama is not the uniter he claims to be, but rather a shrewd practitioner of identity politics.

I think most Americans are more culturally literate and less racist than the neo-liberals think (and perhaps as some neo-liberals are), regardless of their income bracket. Hillary voters understand that Obama, in cahoots with the Obamablogs and much of the media, has been willing to do whatever it takes to derail Hillary, and this includes smearing the Clintons as racists.

Randi Rhodes epitomized the venom against the Clintons and the Obama supporters use of anti-white racism when she said: “The Clinton campaign describes Hillary’s voters as older, white, and undereducated. Or as we called them in my neighborhood: white trash.” No wonder white voters are turning off to Obama.

Sean Wilentz, contributing editor at The New Republic, has been one of the few observers to honestly report on Obama’s use of racial politics. Wilentz has posted a new piece on the Huffington Post which further examines Obama’s effort to paint the Clintons as racists:

Once again, the Barack Obama campaign and its supporters, fresh from a stinging defeat, are trying to stir up false accusations that Hillary Clinton and her campaign have cynically injected racial animosities into the campaign.

The latest round of charges about the Clintons have come from a familiar source, Representative James Clyburn of South Carolina, the highest-ranking black leader in Congress. In January, after the Obama campaign suffered stunning defeats in New Hampshire and Nevada, Rep. Clyburn, although nominally uncommitted, joined a chorus of concerted complaint about Hillary Clinton’s supposed denigration of Martin Luther King, Jr. and his contributions to the 1964 Civil Rights Act because of her observation that President Lyndon Johnson had played a crucial part in guiding its passage. (Clinton’s actual remarks, rarely reported, praised King enormously and were historically accurate.)

Wilentz details again Obama and his surrogates’ depressing use of race: Jesse Jackson Jr.’s words about Katrina and Hillary’s tears, Clyburn insinuating that WJC’s “fairy tale” remark was racist, the infamous South Carolina memo, and the false accusation that Hillary had insulted the legacy of Martin Lurther King:

It may strike some as ironic that the racializing should be coming from a black candidate’s campaign and its supporters. But this is an American presidential campaign–and there is a long history of candidates who are willing to inflame the most deadly passions in our national life in order to get elected. Sadly, it is what Barack Obama and his campaign gurus have been doing for months–with the aid of their media helpers on the news and op-ed pages and on cable television, mocked by “SNL” as in the tank for Obama. They promise to continue until they win the nomination, by any means necessary.

Regarding the class war in the Party and Bitter-gate, Anglachel writes that:

Obama is projecting his own bitterness at being denied a win, attributing hateful and defamatory intentions to those who will not provide him what he believes he deserves. I’m sure there are people out there who won’t vote for him because of the color of his skin. I know a few. They are all Republicans. Empirical evidence does not support his claims about those who won’t vote for him, no matter how loud GKJM and Kos scream about the horrible racists supporting the horrible Hillary Mommy Monster.

Blue-collar whites know that the most important color in America is green, and they don’t feel particularly privileged themselves. They have listened as elite Obama supporters insult their lives (”It appears that Appalachia has an Obama problem,” sniffed a DailyKos diarist). They have watched as Obama has smeared the Clintons, defended his anti-white mentor and then had the audacity to lecture them on race, called his loving grandmother a “typical white person,” and insulted their culture, religion, and concerns to a group of San Francisco billionaires.

It’s not clear if Obama’s break with Rev. Wright will allow him to regain momentum. The one thing that is clear, however, is that many voters who gave Obama a serious look and were inspired by his post-racial message now believe that he drank deeply from the well of Rev. Wright’s teachings and unless Senator Clinton becomes the Democratic nominee, Senator McCain is seen as an appealing alternative.

As Rabbi Hetch writes regarding Passover, “whether you are Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Agnostic, atheist, or a no label, Let’s all appreciate being liberated from being labeled and stereotyped.” I’ll drink to that.

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Comment by ebonyscrews | 2008-05-01 18:31:09

Bud White is the man–what else is there to say? (And Sean Wilentz deserves a round of applause, too.)

Comment by JM | 2008-05-01 19:30:13

Bud White is another of my favorite people on this blog.

Comment by Bud White | 2008-05-01 19:40:36

Thanks to both you. Win or lose, we have stand for our principles as progressives.

Comment by JM | 2008-05-01 21:17:00

You’re welcome. I think that I have seen you on Taylor Marsh, too.

Comment by Bud White | 2008-05-01 21:44:34

Yes, I love TM and her people.

Comment by JM | 2008-05-02 01:31:34

I post as “nomobama” as in NO MOre OBAMA on TM.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by norrismorris | 2008-05-01 20:48:08

Bud White is right on! Wilentz deserves praise.

 
 

Comment by John | 2008-05-01 18:31:36

I accidently sent my pro-Obama brother an email requesting donations for Hillary, he sent me the following email, which really broke my heart-

“Sorry John. Leah and Steven have been around since the Reagan administration and we have seen nothing but Bushs and Clintons in the White House for their entire lives.

At the beginning of the campaign I did lean toward Hillary. The tone of the campaign tells me that Hillary cares about Hillary, she feels it is her turn and will do anything to either get elected or make sure Obama loses in November. That’s not enough for me. I believe we need new blood and a president that will not just take the hard line on everything. That is the Bush approach and where has that gotten us.

Of course I will support Hillary if she wins the nomination as Republicans have time and time again proven that they cannot be trusted with power.”

(Stephen and Leah are his kids, both in their mid-twenties.)

I can’t believe how easily this smart man has gulped down so many Obama talking points. I knew he supported Obama, but this is such crap- and my dad and other brother feel pretty much the same way.

Comment by mimi | 2008-05-01 20:26:59

Look at the bright side, he is at least willing to support her in Nov.

Comment by norrismorris | 2008-05-01 20:51:14

That he will consider voting for Hillary should she run speaks to his concerns for our country.

 

Comment by speaktruth | 2008-05-02 05:43:57

Re that popular line about Bushes and Clintons in the White House, equating Clintons with Bushes, one of the most enraging Barack memes, it might be good to remind people that FDR was elected for four terms. If he’d lived he might have been elected for more, people were so grateful for what he’d done to improve their own economic lives, saving many lives, actually. No one (except Repubs) complained about how long he’d been there.
I believe it was Repubs who passed amendment limiting to two terms, not wanting another Roosevelt.
When Bill left office he had almost 70% approval rating, even after Monica craziness. Without that it might have been 80 or 90%. Who wouldn’t want Clintons back in White House?
Oh, that’s right, Barack and his supporters.
Ask your brother, was it the peace or the prosperity?
And I know, my SI likes Barack, too. It’s very painful when someone you love is so deluded. Although he may be coming around lately…. I’m hoping.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-02 08:24:33

OH THE IRONY…..chuckle……
You are correct speaktruth…..The republicans also wanted to repeal it for ST. REAGAN…..Thank God for the democratic majority of the time.
* There is also a republican contingent that would also like to chane the BORN ON NATIVE SOIL requirement so that ARNOLD of Sunny California could run for POTUS *

 
 
 

Comment by John | 2008-05-01 22:15:25

You should be happy that he at least will vote for her in November.

 

Comment by BernieO | 2008-05-02 08:08:29

That’s funny. I just wrote an email to Charles Krauthammer saying he in his column today (Friday) to say that Obama turned on Wright because of the venue in which Wright made his comments this week. What really changed was that Wright personally insulted Obama. Just listen to Obama’s remarks in repudiating Wright. It ias all about him, me, our campaign. No outrage at all about the blatant insults to white Americans, including Wright ridiculously making fun of white people for being unable to clap to the rhythm of music!

Any man that has written TWO memoirs by the time he is in his forties is way too focused on himself. The man is a certified naval gazer.

Comment by apishapa | 2008-05-02 09:06:37

Personally, I think that Obama needed an excuse to denounce his minister and Wright provided it. We know Axelrod had a publicity firm to handle the Church’s PR.

I think, the entire mini-series over the last week or so was produced by Axelrod to provide cover for Obama to “distance himself from Wright, so that no one can ever, ever equate Obama with Wright again. Everything that came before is just GONE, and if you ever bring it up again YOU ARE A RACIST. I do not believe the relationship between Wright and Obama has changed one bit. As Wright said “Obama is a politician”.

By the way, did you see where Michelle said she discouraged Obama from entering politics? RIGHT.

Comment by Kathy | 2008-05-02 12:19:55

I believe this was the plan also for Wright and Obama. I was looking at Wrights’ face as he left that conference and he was smirking and his eyes were saying “I hope it worked.” I swear to God–that is what I read in that man’s face following his little sideshow.

 
 
 
 

Comment by John | 2008-05-01 18:33:06

Here is the reply I sent to my brother:

So…you aren’t supporting the person with the real universal health care plan, the specific proposals, and the toughness to take on the Republicans because her last name is Clinton?

Hillary is the only candidate who has sworn to help the Democrats win in November regardless of who the nominee is. Michelle Obama said she’d “have to think about” whether she’d support Hillary. The “anything to win” line is directly from the GOP playbook- it has no basis if fact, unless “anything to win” means “makes commercials suggesting she’s ready to be President” and “campaigning hard.” The Clintons didnt inject race into the campaign- that’s another media lie, fed to CNN and MSNBC by the Obama campaign after they lost New Hampshire.

I’ll vote for Obama if he’s the nominee, though I believe he is woefully unprepared for the Presidency. We’ll never know though because in my opinion he has zero chance to win in November- he’s been a lousy candidate except when it comes to fundraising, his base is shrinking, not growing. I just hope that Hillary isn’t blamed for the loss, though I’m sure she will be. She and Bill have been blamed for everything else, why stop now?

Comment by susan | 2008-05-01 18:53:48

I married into a Jewish family 28 years ago, and I have never Once heard any of them talk about the holocaust, what was done to 6 million Jews, what the world owes them because of it, or their hatred of ANY people. Why is it that many radical blacks continue to perpetuate the notion that all blacks are entitled to something from “the man” for all eternity because of what was done to their ancestors??? And now Obama wants to take away from hard working middle class whites and give to blacks in the interest of “fairness”! The fair thing would be for all blacks to realize that the very radical blacks, like Wright, Jackson, and Sharpton, are getting rich off the backs of the blacks who buy into this myth.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-01 19:18:10

Susan I know this sounds cynical but I think there is resentment that is manipulated towards Jews because of reparations that many in th AA community have been leveraging for…..Couple that with this anti-israel pro-palestinian crap could be a factor. Wright’s Black Lberation Theology is as MIDEVIL as Mel Gibsons’ fringe CATHOLICISM….both still recycle and blame the jews for killing Jesus ( the usual old anti-semetic rant )
In Wrights’ theology he ” kills ” again by trying to change his identity to make Jesus appeal to the AA congregation. In this theology Jesus is imagined as a Black Man with more in commonwith Anwar Sadat then what we know from The Israelites of history and archaeology. It’s the african american version of what the Roman Catholic Church did for centuries, although the Jewishness of Jesus was never de-emphasized i doctrine but imagery. The RCC has been down that road and have sought to repair the damaged relationship. I wonder how long it could take for this breach to heal. The racist propoganda that comes from these churches and politicians is as dangerous as any Nazi or KKK’er

Comment by stodghie | 2008-05-01 21:42:46

i read that cone said to kill god or something along that line. that’s not any reglieon i know.

 
 

Comment by norrismorris | 2008-05-01 21:17:31

Consider that exploiting blacks through the use of victimization and anger at whites keeps these churches in business.

While church has been a wonderful and liberating force for AA’s to express their feelings and desires, and address their needs, I see little of this in Wright’s positions.

His church has done some good in the community, but allowing his congregants to feel victimized and playing on rage is counterproductive to their needs and goals for equality in every way.

That “typical whites” don’t understand the role of the AA church is incorrect. Liberals in particular understand and respect the role activist churches have played in the civil rights movement.

I have attended AA chrurch sermons that address social injustice, but I have not been exposed to this kind of opportunistic sermonizing which plays to the least aspirational elements inherent in this kind of liberation movement church.

Wright is over the top as I am sure many Pastors are, but he digs into the
area of disinformation to solidify his base without concern for it’s ultimate outcome

What botthers me about Obama is that he has played the race card unmercifully, and has used race
to promote the notion that he is entitled to the presidency.

He has appeared indecisive and exposed as politically motivated throughout this soap opera,and his physical demeanor looks tentative and hypocritical

Wright’s rage has drained energy and integrity from Obama’s campaign. It gets really hard seeing this waffling ideological drama as a setting for a legitimate presidency.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-02 07:04:58

Ehemmmm…..Norris…..Welcome to the world of Liberation Theology.
Marxism wrapped up in the militant baby Jesus…..( nutshell )

 
 
 

Comment by Garlic-Nosed Guitarist | 2008-05-02 08:34:37

I’ll vote for Obama if he’s the nominee, though I believe he is woefully unprepared for the Presidency.

Respectfully, why would you want to do that? I’d rather have McCain control our nuclear arsenal than a woefully unprepared (I agree!) man in diapers who hates the world. Well, I urge you to reconsider, although Hillary might make this a moot point and will pull off the huge upset we know she is totally capable of. :) I trust her with the “football” as it is known. I won’t trust the lives of my loved ones and community with that angry man in diapers. Never.

 
 

Comment by Garlic-Nosed Guitarist | 2008-05-01 18:33:07

Dear soon-to-be-former-presidential-candidate Obama,

The problem with the race card or any other card is once you play it at some point the world sees you are crying wolf when you overplay it.

MLK rolls in his grave again. Thanks Obama you bastard, you’ve set back the civil rights movement and now Hillary is going to have to help heal the nation — which she with other REAL leaders will do. You are a poser leader.

I got a “historic speech” to deliver to you: fuck off.

Sincerely,

The soul of America

Comment by Nicole | 2008-05-01 18:42:39

I like your speech: it’s concise, to-the-point, and generally sums up how I feel.

Comment by Garlic-Nosed Guitarist | 2008-05-01 19:30:50

LOL. I like your comment! :)

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-02 05:45:03

Hey Guitarist….If you ever want to say it in Latin…..Chuckle……
Perite !……( Fuck Off ! )
Bonus Latin : Derideo te ! Qualem blennum !…..
Translation : I laugh at you ! What a doofus !

Comment by Garlic-Nosed Guitarist | 2008-05-02 07:20:27

Thanks pal! :)

 
 

Comment by speaktruth | 2008-05-02 06:02:47

Norrismorris and GarlicNose,

Beautifully said.

O played the race card yet again tonight on that very boring interview that has been recycled again and again and again. I’ve decided that MSNBC and CNN are just one looong constant commercial for Obama.
Compare that with Hil’s interview with O’R. Even he was impressed. And he said he received hundreds (or was it thousands) of emails from people who were shocked at how great she was!
I suspect there are many Repub women who vote for her and never tell family and friends. That would explain why polls always rate her lower.

Comment by Garlic-Nosed Guitarist | 2008-05-02 06:53:46

Norrismorris and GarlicNose,

Beautifully said.

Thanks.

I’ve decided that MSNBC and CNN are just one looong constant commercial for Obama.

Agreed, I wrote this late last night:

The bias in the MSM is so bad and I am so upset that there are certain people I won’t watch now AND even if they have a change of heart and treat Hillary fairly in the future, I am disinclined to ever watch them again. I’d rather come to this blog or just tune out the “news.” I swear the ghost of Joseph Goebbels runs MSNBC and is pushing for the Fourth Reich for Obama. Its frightening actually.

Comment by beebop | 2008-05-02 07:24:00

I don’t know. We’re watching some folks on FOX we thought we’d never watch. It is simply an issue of not believing their words are sincere.

 
 

Comment by Garlic-Nosed Guitarist | 2008-05-02 06:56:25

I suspect there are many Repub women who vote for her [Hillary] and never tell family and friends. That would explain why polls always rate her lower.

Wow, great observation!

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-02 07:19:28

I agree with you…..Axelrove is a student of Goebbels….
It’s getting scary tribal….

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by susan | 2008-05-01 19:04:27

I didn’t know we could use such language here. Thank you for expressing the sentiments of a lot of us! Gotta love those garlic noses!!!

Comment by Garlic-Nosed Guitarist | 2008-05-01 19:28:58

I didn’t know we could use such language here.

I use it on occasion here and have not been reprimanded. I think Larry believes in the First Amendment, as do I.

Thank you for expressing the sentiments of a lot of us!

That’s why I was strong with my language, it is what many people are thinking and feeling.

Gotta love those garlic noses!!!

Don’t forget the larger group of typical white people. :)

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-05-01 22:49:33

Like any strong seasoning, the use of such language is sometimes appropriate but should be kept to a minimum.

Comment by Garlic-Nosed Guitarist | 2008-05-01 23:18:01

Consider Obama a salt-free baked potato chip then — the kind that taste like fucking cardboard — in need of lots of seasoning. :) And last time I checked, there were no thought police on duty.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by raymo | 2008-05-01 18:34:38

Good post, Bud White, as usual.

(Bud White as in L.A. Confidential Bud White?)

Comment by Bud White | 2008-05-01 21:46:02

On the QT, and strictly hush-hush.

 
 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-05-01 18:41:43

Beautifully done, Bud. And really, so sad. The bitter man with the self-identity crises projects all his mental dirty laundry upon America.

 

Comment by Jeannie | 2008-05-01 18:42:32

The race card began with Bill Clinton’s remark on obama’s victory in SC ‘jesse jackson won in SC also’-he marginalized Obama and put him into a box as the black candidate. Obama was not running as this-
whatever the case, Hillary and her surrogates are running a slimy campaign and how you supporters cannot see that is beyond me.

Comment by Uppity | 2008-05-01 18:45:47

No. It started with Clinton’s “Fairy Tale” remark, and it was a real stretch, but they pulled it off. The SC remark came after that. How you cannot remember that is beyond me.

Comment by beebop | 2008-05-01 18:58:41

Selective recollection is tantamont to spinning a tale that backs your point of view.

 

Comment by mimi | 2008-05-01 21:01:47

The fairy tale was Bill Clinton’s response to Obama’s position on the Iraq War. That he didn’t support it and wouldn’t have voted for it. At the beginning it was the benchmark of Obama’s campaign. And Bill was trying to rebuff it by pointing out that Obama was saying something that he has no way of proving because he couldn’t know what he would have done had he been in the Senate. Obama, himself, admitted this. Bill called it a fairy tale and it is. It’s juvenile.

Michelle Obama misquoted him saying that Bill had called Obama’s candidacy a fairy tale, that as a black candidate he had no chance to win. She didn’t stretch anything. She misquoted him and the MSM let it stand for many news cycles before tacitly correcting it.

They only corrected it after Bill made the Jesse Jackson won SC remark. Once they had a direct quote they could spin as racist then they corrected the misquote.

Frankly, the furor over the Jackson remark escapes me. Perhaps because I remember it well. Jackson ran a multi-cultural campaign and attracted a good amount of the very white voters Obama is unable to, white working class rural voters, tired of Reaganomics. Jackson scared the beejeesus out of the Party for a minute. I’ll post a link w/info if I can find it recapping the history. It’s worth a read if only because it shows that Obama and the AA community threw Jackson and his historical run for the presidency under the bus. His candidacy was not as marginal as everyone is trying to remember it as. Bill Clinton tried to point this out as well, but nobody was listening. And just like Hillary’s LBJ remark was historically accurate so was Bill’s. It appears that Obama’s campaign isn’t interested in historical accuracy.

Comment by mimi | 2008-05-01 21:05:43


“Jackson’s 1988 campaign for the Democratic nomination was characterized by more organization and funding than his previous attempt. With the experience he gained from 1984 and new resources, Jackson and his Rainbow Coalition surprised the media and the political pundits. Initially written off as unelectable, Jackson emerged in the primary/caucus season as a serious contender for the nomination. He attracted over 6.9 million votes–from urban blacks and Hispanics, poor rural whites, farmers and factory workers, feminists and homosexuals, and from white progressives wanting to be part of a historic change. In his platform he called for homes for the homeless, comparable worth and day care for working women, a higher minimum wage, a commitment to the family farm, and an all-out war on drugs. “When we form a great quilt of unity and common ground” he told delegates at the party convention on July 19, 1988, “we’ll have the power to bring about health care and housing and jobs and education and hope to our nation.

After early respectable losses in Iowa and New Hampshire, he won five southern states on Super Tuesday, March 8, 1988. On March 12 he won the caucus in his birth state of South Carolina and three days later finished second in his home state of Illinois. On March 26, 1988 Jackson stunned Dukakis and the rest of the nation in the Michigan caucus: Having won that northern industrial state with 55 percent of the vote, Jackson became the Democratic front-runner. Dukakis later recaptured the lead and the eventual nomination with strong showings in the second half of the primary season.

Jackson then exercised the power of his second-place finish to force his consideration as a vice-presidential running mate and to influence the nature of the Democratic Convention and the issues included on its platform. Although Jackson was not chosen as the vice-presidential running mate, he had succeeded in bringing Americans of all colors to consider a black man for the presidency and vice-presidency.”

here’s the link:

http://gale.cengage.com/free_resources/bhm/bio/jackson_j.htm

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-02 04:46:47

What was sad about Jackson’s run was what eventually brought it down…..His famous HYMIE TOWN remark with regards to NYC…..
Familiar…..No ?

 
 
 
 

Comment by John | 2008-05-01 18:48:00

That’s a lie. The race card was pulled by the Obama campaign after losses in NH and Nevada. Obama needed a way to energize the AA voters of South Carolina, because a loss there would have ended his candidacy. So they used Hillary’s completely correct observation of Lyndon Johnson’s role in the passage of the Civil Rights Acts to call both Clintons racists.

Please, your stale BS is perfectly welcome at many other sites, where thirsty Obamabots drink it up and ask for more. It won’t fly here.

Comment by Uppity | 2008-05-01 18:52:23

Bingo. That was the next thing that happened after Bill’s “fairy tale” remark,which referred to Iraq. It had nothing to do with race, but they need the Card for South Carolina, mainly because Obama knew the AA community loved the Clintons–in spite of their current amnesia.

Comment by Palomino | 2008-05-01 20:08:26

Oh, and remember when uncommitted (sic) superdelegate Donna Brazile took megaginormous umbrage, “as an African American,” at Bill Clinton’s allegedly racist “fairy tale” remark?

Comment by Garlic-Nosed Guitarist | 2008-05-02 10:05:13

“as an African American,”

If she can say that, then as a Garlic-nosed American, I take offense for Brazille siding with the racist Obama. And we can and have proven Obama is a racist. Those hypocrites have some nerve.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-02 10:22:04

Agree with you on that…..But then again I’m just a stupid Working Class Mick Cracker who belongs to the BABYLON WHORE CULT…..chuckle…..
At least we were lace curtain Irish ( middle class or employed )
instead of shanty Irish ( unemloyed )

 
 
 
 

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-05-02 06:28:08

>>> The race card was pulled by the Obama campaign after losses in NH and Nevada.

We policed his ass up here in the Silver State.

You’re welcome.

 
 

Comment by PMS | 2008-05-01 18:51:31

Hi Jeannie,

We’d be happy to debate you (unlike your candidate) on every point you’d care to make about Hillary’s “slimy” campaign, with specific references in defense… but you must do the same.

If you are respectful, you will be treated with respect here.

Please state, and prove, your case.

Comment by kenoshaMarge | 2008-05-02 09:17:27

You are a nicer person than I am PMS. I don’t welcome people like Jeannie. They have dozens of Pro-Obama blogs that they can go to and toot his little horn to their heart’s content.

Why come here? Why toss her sad little Obama talking points into the middle of a conversation of which she seems sadly ignorant?

She and other trolls are simply attention whores. They probably aren’t very popular or noticed much on the Obama blogs and so must try and throw a turd in the middle of our living room to get some attention.

If she really had something to say, other than tired talking points, she might be worth listening and interacting with. She doesn’t and therefor to me, she isn’t.

But like I said, you’re a nicer person than I am.
:(

 
 

Comment by Ohio | 2008-05-01 19:02:48

Right.

Conveniently forget the “D-Punjab” remark by the Obama campaign to describe Sen. Clinton’s meeting with people from India and Pakistan. That was last summer.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/19/news/obama.php

You know, the comment Sen. Obama later apologized for:

“It was a dumb mistake on our campaign’s part, and I made it clear to my staff in no uncertain terms that it was a mistake,” Obama said, referring to the memo as “unnecessarily caustic.”

Wow. He sure makes a lot of dumb mistakes, doesn’t he?

 

Comment by Patti | 2008-05-01 19:51:31

And lets not forget Jessie Jackson Jr’s comment after New Hampshire. Saying she didnt cry for Katrina Victims…

There were no comments about the fact she won, just how the media and other bobbleheads percieved her win.

 

Comment by JM | 2008-05-01 19:56:46

You know what, Jeannie? Barack is the black candidate. That is the reason why he gets anywhere from 80-90% of the black vote. I don’t begrudge his black support because it IS WHAT IT IS.

Now, please comment on why the black vote has bought into the absurd accusation that the Clinton’s are racists. The person playing the race card has been Obama all the while. Isn’t it ironic that your post-racist fab candidate attended a church in which it’s pastor was spouting racist garbage from the pulpit, and it has taken Barack Obama all this time to finally break with Mr. Wright (even though I don’t believe it is a true break)? Yet, the Clinton’s are accused of being racists, while Barack’s apologists allow him to slither away, as only a snake can, free to attempt further character assassinations of the Clintons. I am sick of Obama’s duplicity, and the way that his supporters view Hillary as a villian in this nomination race. Barack is getting what he deserves because it is true that what goes around comes around.

Comment by mimi | 2008-05-01 21:21:57

“please comment on why the black vote has bought into the absurd accusation that the Clinton’s are racists. “

This is the part that bothers me as an AA. It’s like they had to trump up a reason, an ugly one at that, instead of just stating support for a candidate based on the issues. Why was that so hard? I will never forgive Obama for playing the race card and the AA community for falling fo it hook, line and sinker.

Comment by JM | 2008-05-01 21:39:55

I don’t understand this either. As a white man, it appears that AA’s are hurting themselves in the process of supporting Barack. Whites are expected to not vote on skin color. Why are blacks not expected to do the same thing? Where is the political maturity of this voting group? I assume that many in the black community believe Barack had enough support to pull this off. It seems that many of them could care less about the corruption in his background, his inexperience, his unimpressive legislative background, his lack of a well enunciated platform other than the word “change”, his hypocritical stance on politics as practiced today, and his questionable relationship with a pastor who anybody with a fair bone in his or her body would realize is a ranting racist?

I have no problem voting for an AA for president, but please nominate one that doesn’t have the ideological profile of Barack Obama. Barack is everything that he says he isn’t. Never have I witnessed someone who has sullied the very essence of the meaning of what it is to be a Democrat. He is a politician with the ugliest inclinations. I cannot imagine him as a president of this great country.

 

Comment by so saddened | 2008-05-01 22:55:23

the unprincipled trashing of the clintons is at or near the top of my list of reasons i will never vote for obama. i would rather he had just come out and said that all african-americans should vote for him because of the color of his skin and that every aa polled or exit polled said yes it’s race-based/a pride thing.

at least i could respect the honesty. but obama wants to pretend he’s post-racial, which he clearly is not. hypocrisy is disgusting. and trashing a respected former president and first lady (of the same party) is disgusting.

i can’t stand the man, and my view is hardening every day. how he and the party leaders in his pocket can believe we will come around is beyond me.

 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-02 05:07:54

Imho…..This is the only way strategically that Obama could cut into Clintons base…..The basic principal of devide and conquer……
The Clinton/Gore administraton ( especially Bill Clinton ) was very popular among all minorities. Obama had to find a way to split the support of AA’s ( which was splitting along gender and generational lines ). There is no better way to unite a group than to accuse the opposition of an ideological crime. The irony is that the candidate who is running a fairly routine ID political campaign is illustrated in the media as running a type of New Political Campaign. It is a fallacy. The Media has become farcical. Obama has reduced his own candidacy to being one based almost entirely on racial status. It is this obvious HYPOCRISY that has alienated him from middle america….In preparation the student Obama studied Bill Clintons speeches in order to appeal to AA’s and Crackers….He should have studied Sen. Clinton more closely. In many ways hers is also a campaign with ID politics except that she has been very subtle in it’s representation and not allowed her gender to dominate her campaign. She is the first Woman poised to be one of two presidential contenders and yet in the primaries this has not been the focus of her campaign. She has handled the gender deftly and I admire her even more for it.

 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-02 05:37:46

ehemm…Ut sementem feceris ita metes…..
Translation : As you sew will you reap…..

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-05-02 06:30:31

Omnes tongo feces sunt,

“Everything I touch turns to shit.”

Correct me if I’m wrong. Tenth grade was a long time ago.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-02 06:57:42

Fred……I’m very rusty but that looks right to me…..
Tis fun……No ?
I enjoy hurling juvenile insults at the trolls….The Romans raised insulting to a high art form…..

Noli nothis permittere te terere…..
( Don’t let the Bastards get you down )
* If a latin professional shows up here they would be highly entertained at my inadequacy *
Quisque comoedus est………No ?
( Everybody’s a comedian……No ? )

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Will | 2008-05-01 19:57:41

Bill’s comment was accurate. Black folk adored the Clintons for years, and 5 minutes after an unknown Obama entered the race, some 90% of black people voted for him. It’s more than fair to ask why. And I know why you can’t understand that. You’ve been hypnotized by a deep voice, sing song delivery, shallow rhetoric, and a media smear campaign that’s dumber than ever.

 

Comment by pm317 | 2008-05-01 21:45:35

All Bill Clinton was pointing out was that Jackson also had won big in SC, next to Jackson was actually Clinton himself who won big. But it would have been not so modest to say I also won big. This was giving Jackson credit which he richly deserved. Instead of taking it at its face value, you guys made a big issue of it. Of course, media played along and amplified it. You guys look for slime everywhere with your slimy hands and you slime everything as well — you do that because your guy does not have the resume to win this nomination fair and square. Did you watch Hillary on Bill O’? Now, that is how you take on Fox. Not like your waffles candidate.

 

Comment by stodghie | 2008-05-01 21:47:57

your candidate and his campaign plus that snotty hateful michelle have put hatred, meaness, and racism into this campaign. two aa’s ran in 2004 and jesse jackson ran with the rainbow coalition. and NEVER EVER DID ANY OF THEM BEHAVE WITH SUCH UNPROFESSIONAL BEHAVIOR AS OBAMA AND HIS SO CALLED SUPPORTERS. take a hike!

 

Comment by Bud White | 2008-05-01 21:53:57

The idea that the Clintons played the race card defies logic. In Oct 07, Hillary was winning 60% of AA voters, now she’s getting about 10%. It would have netted them a negative 90% loss of support among a key group for any Democrat. It simply makes no sense. Plus it’s not who the Clintons are. They are committed to racial reconciliation. The idea is absurd.

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-05-01 22:58:17

The Obama campaign/supporters have been manucacturing racial outrage out of non-racial statements by the Clintons all along. Based on that, it appears that the Obama campaign/supporters are the racists.

 

Comment by kenoshaMarge | 2008-05-02 09:42:11

I suspect that a lot of Bill Clinton’s outrage during this whole campaign has been over being tarred as a racist. He’s not, anyone with a brain know that they are not, and yet it’s one of those nasty smears that never goes away once applied.

I also wonder if in the long run this was not a mistake. How many voters are going to want to hear “race” interjected” into every line that someone speaks.

I don’t give a rat’s butt about the color of some-one’s skin. No one with the brain of a gnat does. But I do care when the rich get richer and the poor get screwed. Those of us without much money are all in that leaky little rowboat and the water coming in doesn’t much care what color our damn skin is. Ain’t none of us gonna float.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-02 09:51:57

Bill Clinton’s outrage is typical of a man of superior intellegence…
Obama and his idiotic cohorts are literally shooting the democratic party in the foot. By attacking the only legitimate argument that the party has to answer the GOP ( the only sucessful democratic administration since FDR )
It is a STUPID AND COSTLY MISTAKE.
Bill Clinton is a brilliant politician who is a big picture sort of fella.
The New Left is taking away the best weapon the party has and that is the record of the Clinton/Gore administrations……
They are attacking the centrist platform and that is just plain stupid.
But then how else canObama atempt to win…..What does he offer ?
Experience ( NO )….A distinguished record of national public sevice ( NO )
Wisdom ( NO )…..This Obama is a LIGHT WEIGHT !
That is what is so deplorable…..

 
 
 

Comment by marle | 2008-05-02 01:37:19

incredible what campaign have you been watching
must be the MSM campaign for Barry O ..Yupper another obot that sees the throngs of people rallying around him for what he has done in his district in Chicago when he was state senator..11 bldgs in his district rat infested no heat etc etc shabby workmanship from his friends construction company name Rezko ring any bells to you people and the kickbacks that will be coming out with that
one fib *LIE* after another..from poor teenage mom his mom was in college and met his dad there..In Hawaii not in Selma at MLK march..His dad didn’t come over here on Kennedy scholarship as it took place after his dad was already here..
How about your wonderful candidates associates
Rezko..Ayers..Auchi..Said..Wright..need we say more for your wonderful candidate who is imploding from within..
Can’t tell these stories that don’t match up with what you have done in real life..
I see no people that he has helped personally as community organizer..community lawyer..pushing contracts out the door to friend Rezko then on to state house to again who did he help but, his wealthy well connected friends that he seemed to pick up along the way..the only ones helped in the Obama public policy seems to be the Obama’s nice southern mansion in Hyde Park..yepper those poor folks who lived in the rat infested buildings in his district that he seemed to never NOTICE that something was wrong..never once tried to correct anything but, take advantage of his charism to charm people and move straight up the money tree ..connecting with people to push an power ego right to the run for highest office of our land..
ONLY PROBLEM IS HE DOESN’T KNOW WHO HE IS..
IS JEREMIAH WRIGHT his ADOPTED DAD, LEAVING HIM (BARACK) BELIEVING IN ALL THE BAD THINGS USA HAS DONE AND ACT LIKE NO PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE IN THIS COUNTRY ..I believe he and his wife really were caught up in his message r they wouldn’t have sit in the pews listening to such messages and teaching their children the same hate filled against fellow Americans…How can a country heal when we have such preachings sanctioned as being the norm..
I am a veteran and when I was in service I attended a couple black churches with some friends yes they were loud but joyful and never did I hear this ..
So again don’t know who this Barack is and WHERE he wants to lead this country and the world as he says..I don’t know what kind of theology he believes in..with associates like Ayers..Khalidi..
the lectures he was involved with the Anneberg society doesn’t sound cosher so again
I am saying go Hillary as the dirty campaigning accusations the Obama camp better look in the mirror and check their internal memos etc that will tell you all you need to know as to WHO PLAYED THE RACE CARD..
Ask Rep Meeks about what was said in South Carolina he was right there when President Clinton answered that question asked by the press and he saw nothing wrong with answer given…So if Rep Meeks an AA standing right there had no problems I don’t know what the problem was or is with Obama than whine whine every time he is called on something..
Yeah bamboozled hoodwinked code words..
I cannot vote for this man I will write in my candidate if Hillary for some reason is stripped of her nomination for president of our country…Someone who could restore Americans standing in the world and get our country back on the RIGHT TRACK..
So onward to victories in NC and IND..then on to KY Mon SD Or..just keep the victories coming Hillary will win with popular vote and the wind at her back..Count Mi andFl she wins delegates too..
Keep the wins coming Hillary we got your back and will be making another contribution soon..
women vets for Hillary
concerned American

 

Comment by TeresaINPa | 2008-05-02 05:55:18

Baloney Jeannie,

what exactly did Clinton say? He said that Obama won SC because of a large AA population. Every pundit, the OBama campaign and probably you said the same thing/ If you didn’t you are not very bright because here we all are again talking about how Obama is going to win NC because of the large AA community. EVERONE is saying it including BARACK OBAMA’S CAMPAIGN.

now how exactly did Bill Clinton offend your delicate sensibilities by saying the the same thing you and everyone else was saying?

 

Comment by Samantha | 2008-05-02 22:19:46

I thought Oblamer was in a tizzy over “fairy tale” since he’s such a homophobe!

 
 

Comment by beebop | 2008-05-01 18:44:09

Glen Beck is wall to wall Reverend Wright. He is playing larger portions of the sermons from which the snippets are drawn.

It is not a good night to be Barack Obama.

I just caught the tail end of a segment with a gentelemen who appears to have been reading this blog!