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Texas Caucus Fraud

Following my friend Lois Capps’ endorsement of Barack Obama, it became clear that I had done her and other delegates a disservice by not disclosing information I witnessed at the Texas caucuses, and that endorsements should be made with the benefit of this information. After her endorsement, I wrote to Rep. Capps so that she can be fully informed in the event that delegates are forced to shift from one candidate to the other as the party forms a consensus behind the stronger of the two candidates.

I need to point out that I am not on the Hillary for President campaign staff, and that the campaign has gone to significant lengths to keep this dirty laundry out of the press. However, it is my strong feeling that we should not withhold evidence of crime, particularly since it is inconsistent with the public Obama image of being above “anything it takes to win,” and it sheds significant light onto the otherwise puzzling difference between the popular vote and caucus results. Here are excerpts from my letter to Rep. Capps.

I was a volunteer field organizer in El Paso, Texas and investigated irregularities for three weeks after the election.

As a Democratic Coordinated Campaign Regional Director in 1996 and as a volunteer on campaigns in the 1990s, I have the ethical obligation to report what I saw in Texas.

When California 22nd CD Republican candidate Tom Bordonaro famously tried to suppress the vote by phone banking under a false name, many of us in the Capps campaign immediately said that we would walk away from a campaign if our side were similarly unethical. That moment kept replaying through my head election night in El Paso. Simply put, the Obama campaign made Tom Bordonaro look ethical.

Lois Capps is correct when she wrote that Sen. Obama is inspiring. However, many of the actions of his campaign that I witnessed and investigated are criminal.

I know this information is jarring, and puts DNC delegates in an uncomfortable situation, but if the time comes for delegates to endorse or get behind a consensus candidate, this information should be available. As I wrote to Rep. Capps, I apologize for not illuminating this earlier.

My observations in Texas were that caucuses were broadly illegitimate. In a few well-run counties, Hillary’s caucus vote was the same or better than the popular vote, but in chaotic counties, she fell behind by double digits. While Texas is the only state to have both a binding popular vote and a caucus vote, we saw similar results in Washington State, where Obama’s numbers plunged in the unofficial primary compared to the caucuses .

This stands out: only four major Texas counties were orderly enough to report most of their caucus results election night, and in three of these, caucus preference mirrored the popular vote (HRC popular/caucus): El Paso (69/75), Austin/Travis (37/34), San Antonio/Bexar (56/57). In the case of Austin, I have read reports that that both sides ran their caucuses well.

These counties had exceptional organizations, but it should not take heroics to run a fair election.

On election night in El Paso, it became obvious that the Obama field campaign was designed to steal caucuses. Prior to that, it was impossible for me to imagine the level of attempted fraud and disruption we would see. It was far worse than any GOP campaign I have organized against on the Central Coast, worse than Tom Bordonaro’s, worse than Andrea Seastrand’s, worse than the Dole campaign whose supporters vandalized our headquarters.

We saw stolen precincts where Obama organizers fabricated counts, made false entries on sign-in sheets, suppressed delegate counts, and suppressed caucus voters. We saw patterns such as missing electronic access code sheets and precinct packets taken before the legal time, like elsewhere in the state. Obama volunteers illegally took convention materials state-wide, with attempts as early as 6:30 am. Some of this was presented in a press release from Clinton Campaign Counsel Lyn Utrecht, but I witnessed worse than what she disclosed.

In one example of fraud that I witnessed, one of my precinct captains, an elderly Hispanic woman, called me to report that BHO supporters had illegally seized control of the convention. During our series of phone calls, Mrs. “A.” reported that the Obama people took the convention materials and did not have a legal election of officers. Like nearly all of El Paso, BHO people would have lost such an election in this majority-Hillary, Hispanic, mostly elderly precinct convention.

The Obama people ordered Mrs. A. to sit across the room during the delegate calculation, and excluded Hillary supporters from the process. Mrs. A. overheard an Obama supporter call in a false delegate count to Austin. In a 13 delegate precinct where Obama should have won approximately 4 delegates, the Obama supporters attempted to award 19 delegates to Obama. This was not innocent. During my attempts at cell phone diplomacy, the Obama “chair” hung up on me, and refused to talk to the ethical Obama organizer I was paired with at another precinct convention. As with all major attempts at fraud that we identified, this delegate count was rectified in private at the county TDP headquarters, according to TDP rules, but there were no public charges or sanctions. It is my opinion that people should be in jail, but there is not a mechanism for this sort of prosecution, certainly not within TDP rules.

Although I have only volunteered in one state, virtually every Clinton staffer I have talked to has similar stories from other caucus states. While the Hillary field campaign operates and feels very much like typical Democratic campaigns, the Obama campaign is something new to Democratic politics. From my perspective, it looks like it has copied the worst attributes of Republican campaigns, but with unprecedented zeal.

Ironically, only in very well-organized areas like El Paso were we able to even identify the scale of the attempted irregularities. In these areas, we were also able to rebuff most attempts at fraud, correct fraudulent delegate counts, and protect our voters. In less well-organized areas, we did not have enough eyes and ears to identify or stop fraud, and our numbers plunged.

Although affidavits have not been made public, I have copies and records of the voter complaints for which I did interviews. Although the Hillary campaign has not gone public with evidence of fraud, the national legal team has approximately 200 such affidavits and 2000 voter complaints. The campaign intends to win the popular vote without airing these charges in public, but I suspect the campaign will provide authorities with this evidence upon request.

My own sense is that this information should not be withheld from delegates, since it both casts the Obama campaign as stunningly unethical, and it severely undermines the general credibility of caucuses. It also points out that perception and reality are upside down. The campaign that will “do anything to win,” including the illegal acts documented in affidavits, is not Hillary’s.

In fact, I was as proud of the integrity and transparency of the Hillary campaign in Texas as I was of the Capps and Clinton/Gore campaigns of the 1990s.

I would be happy to share records in my position with appropriate authorities.

It is true that elements of the Obama campaign appeal to our better angels, but, in the moment of truth when the Obama campaign echoed Republican Tom Bordonaro’s, I made the personal decision that Sen. Obama cannot be our nominee.

I am positive that any Democrat who witnessed what I did would stand against Sen. Obama now, and I have faith that some endorsements like Rep. Capps’s are temporary. This is wrenching for a Democratic activist like me who has served on county and Assembly District committees, but I cannot support a candidate with a criminal campaign.

Update 1

There have been some good question in the comments at MyDD.

In this one, there is the question about a challenge by Obama supporters, lawyer/judge Don Williams. My position is that the rules should be followed, and the process be as transparent as possible. I understand that 77% of UTEP sign in sheet preference was for Hillary, after there were a few correction related to fraud from Mr Williams’ side. I understand this challenge should be resolved by the state credentials committee, along with a large number of other challenges, prior to the Austin convention. As I understand it, the challenge states that the rules in the nominations committee at UTEP were misinterpreted. But what I saw was fraud, not a difference of opinion about convention rules. I would support any legitimate adjustment to delegate counts, be it from a correction of fraudulent sign-in sheets, or a correction of a faulty ruling.

This post raises a lot of good questions, too many to handle adequately without a new diary:

I’ve yet to hear any verified account of fraud. Two months, but nothign. Why after going for a month and half now on Wright do think the media would just shut out any attempt to challenge the legitimacy of the caucuses? Where is the reporting?! Why is it that you saw this, but no reporters, police officers, judges, lawyers or others who would be compelled to speak up about it and document it?

If there is evidence of this I want to hear it. This would be criminal and I’m not.

Finally, Hillary won El Paso by 75%. How with that overwhelming majority did you allow a minority to override the will of the majority? Even in the example of Mrs. A (you told us you witnessed this personally, but the only evidence you give is a person not named and the precinct not given), there was a majority of Hillary supporters. How did they let a minority overrule a majority? That doesn’t make sense. Please explain it to me.

First, why did I keep quiet? I followed the campaign’s guidance to resolve these issues behind closed doors. There were a few elements of this: the campaign’s first concern was make as many corrections to the delegate count as possible within TDP rules, in TDP offices. Once the deed was done, an orderly audit benefited our side, and pushing these charges in the press would have created a circus (a la Florida) that would have shut down the process of verifying sign in sheets and delegate calculations.

Second, why no reporting? Because the press did not seek to investigate this, even though the Clinton campaign published the linked press release that we had evidence of widespread illegalities. I called a reporter from the El Paso Times who did not return my call. Also, this did not get pushed in the press after the initial press release because the TX Hillary campaign chose to trust the process and grind out the delegate count. Since the TDP is run by people who support both campaigns, there would have been a serious lose of face to air these charges, and would have strained the professional relationships between all in the campaigns and in the party. In the specific case of El Paso, I am told Chair Danny Anchondo did not want to humiliate leading Obama-supporting Democrats who he will have to live with for years to come.

Third, how did a minority faction override the majority? In the end, they did not. We had the best field operation I have ever seen, and in most cases, had a few trained people in each precinct. I should add, our organization was so overwhelming, the Obama campaign abandoned their precinct captain program about a week before the election, placing their bets on an election-day blitz by out of state organizers. We were also transparent, and included people with ties to the Obama campaign in our caucus training program. We knew that an orderly process favored Hillary. We would not have known about Mrs. A’s precinct if we did not have trained people in the room.

So, we were able to over-turn problems like Mrs A’s precinct after the fact. How did the Obama organizers seize the convention in the first place? By intimidation, by physically controlling the legal documents, and by ignoring the legal process that called for an election of officers. They took the convention package and never let go of it.

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Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 12:57:53

THANK YOU FOR THIS IMPORTANT POST……Over 2000 complaints of voter fraud and intimidation in Texas and NOTHING WAS DONE!
Texas can now join Florida, Ohio, Michigan in the Hall Of Stealing Elections.
THANKS OBAMA.

Comment by Dan | 2008-05-05 11:50:23

Sounds like sour grapes to me from someone who supported a candidate who is losing.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-05 11:55:01

SELL IT IN GAZA DAN….YOUR CANDIDATE OBAMA IS HEADED TO OBSCURTY…..AND PERHAPS PRISON….REZKO…REZKO….REZKO…..

 

Comment by Kourian | 2008-05-05 15:52:12

Exactly, Dan! That’s exactly what you’re doing! Coming over here and trolling. And why? Because your candidate is not only losing - he’s lost! As workingclass artist say: ‘perhaps prison’. No one thinks he’s going anywhere anymore except out of his senate seat and up the river. Suck your sour grapes, loser.

 
 
 

Comment by sandyR | 2008-05-04 13:10:08

Thank you Pacific John. You have courage, intelligence, commitment and ethics and morality.
All I can say is “thank you.”

 

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-05-04 13:18:22

The Clinton campaign is doing itself in particular and the American people in general a disservice (to put it charitably) by not making this matter public. Activities like these tend to suggest that while it would be difficult for a President to be worse than bush, but Obama might be just that.

Comment by requiemforadancer | 2008-05-04 13:46:02

We’re speaking of it here, and this is a start.

It’s also the truth, and truth makes might.

 
 

Comment by Mike Howell | 2008-05-04 13:26:12

Chicago, Illinois corruption comes to Texas! YAHOO!

Don’t let the crook steal the White House.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 13:34:41

Sen. Hillary Clinton FORMALLY PROTESTED THE CAUCUS RESULTS AND TRIED TO PERSUADE THE STATE PARTY TO POSTPONE THE CONVENTION.
Before you make a statement like that jwrjr you might want to read up on the issue. There was talk of using the courts but the Press excoriated her Campaign for it. The whole thing was rigged ( not hard in Texas ). One Precinct captain of over 20 years who is an AA woman was chased to the police station on Caucus night by Obama Supporters….It was a MESS especially in the precincts with large AA populations. The state party stopped counting because in the NEW OBAMAMATH 40% is the new majority.

Comment by Strawberrybitch | 2008-05-04 13:41:08

I remember that on the news. The press made it out to be ‘the Hillary camp was trying to steal Obama delegate sheets’. Funny, I have to come here to get the real story.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 13:57:40

I watched it happen…..There were groups of teenagers illegally caucusing in AA precincts…..There was a riotous atmosphere….
It was very scary in some places….One woman a Clinton Supporter from Spring Tx. witnessed anoher woman getting attacked because Obama supporters were blocking entry to the precinct…..It was a sham…..In this part of the country folks have always been leery of the potential for racial conflict….Obama’s supporters mastered the exploitation of it…..Frankly Texas was caught unprepared….

Comment by Strawberrybitch | 2008-05-04 14:22:44

WCA, I am a Washington State delegate, I saw it here, too. It pissed me off. I got so angry at some young, slick, leather clad Obamaton who was pushing a group of elderly Hillary supporters around. My husband had to pull me away and calm me down. The arrogance…dear god, I hope I wasn’t THAT big of a douche when I was young.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 14:43:41

Thanks Strawberry…..I think our momma’s raised us better…
There is so much at stake. This is more than this race….I’m watching every prediction that old coot of a professor warn me about in college come true….And THE ONLY CHANCE THIS CONTRY HAS IS CLINTON BECAUSE McCAIN IS NOW THE GOP PUPPET….FOLKS DON’T REMEMBER THAT THE STATED GOAL OF THE GOP IS A PERMANENT MAJORITY IN BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS…..They have damn well achieved this already in Texas.

 
 

Comment by Kourian | 2008-05-05 15:57:00

Teenagers? As in people who might not even be first time voters??!?

 
 
 

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-05-04 13:57:09

Chill. I’m not the enemy here.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 14:05:00

Sorry but as you can see this is a frustrating and painful subject. It is hard enough being a democrat in the republican wasteland but to see Democrats attack other Democrats was so UPSETTING….And to watch the STATE PARTY CAVE……I still don’t sleep as well as I did….
Clinto is trying to fight for all of us and it is not because it is to her advantage….SHE IS FIGHTING FOR THE SURVIVAL OF THE PARTY SHE HAS SERVED AND BELIEVED IN HER ENTIRE LIFE….SHE IS FIGHTING FOR MY PARTY…..WHAT HAPPENED IN TEXAS AND FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN HAS JUST ABOUT BROKEN MY HEART….DEMOCRATS DON’T DO THIS TO EACH OTHER…..We did’nt use to anyway….

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-05-04 14:15:24

No problem. We mostly agree on the matter.

 

Comment by Kourian | 2008-05-05 15:59:21

No, true: Dems don’t do this to each other. But Obama and his people aren’t Dems.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by beebop | 2008-05-04 13:27:48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9FU8XlYiCo

Found this on the Fox comments … and he’s the age group that is supposed to be pro-bama.

Comment by Talktruth | 2008-05-04 14:01:16

This is just how freakin’ mad people are, beebop. Thanks for posting it!

Also, thanks to Pacific John for this article. I’ve sent selected parts of the story to the news media. I suggest others do the same.

We’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it anymore!!!

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 14:09:36

Angalcheg has been posting about Texas for a while….She has good info.

 

Comment by Lou | 2008-05-05 02:16:26

I have been hollering about his since after WA caucus. I notfied Hill campaign. It helped a little but no one knew what to do. That’s how it came to be that Hill voters in Texas should go to the caucus early and to lead the caucus so that Obamaliens wouldn’t take over. They were instructed to take the voter package so Obamaliens wouldn’t. He clearly stole the caucus votes. There is alot. too much to post here. I cannot vote for him because of this. This election is NOT fair. Obama has destroyed the Dem Party and can’t get voted in this fall because of it. Anyway it’s old news to me and I was broken up about it last Jan just like you all are now.

Comment by Kourian | 2008-05-05 16:09:59

I’ve been saying this for some time. What should have been a civilised campaign between Repugs and Dems over actual issues - has been hijacked by these crooks. Who have dollar signs in their eyes. They’ve not only trashed the party, they’ve trashed the entire process. And they’ve hurt the country irreparably.

 
 
 
 

Comment by blobert | 2008-05-04 13:30:35

Why was this important corruption issue BURIED by MSM?
To protect little Obambi.
The Obama tactic is to scream “the Clinton machine is smearing me” while running the most ruthless, corrupt smear campaign I have seen in my lifetime.

Comment by beebop | 2008-05-04 13:33:34

Because we have the media of a third world nation when it comes to politics.

Comment by requiemforadancer | 2008-05-04 13:48:28

We have the old USSR media, I think.

I guess it’s the political group dynamic when corruption, mediocrity and fear take hold, no fairness doctrine to keep things equal, and honest.

 

Comment by Kourian | 2008-05-05 16:30:08

Third world? That’s very generous. ;)

 
 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 13:51:31

In the state of Texas most of the Media is controlled by Republicans.
The GOP want OBAMA to be the candidate.
OBAMA IS THE GOP WET DREAM FOR THE GENERATIONS…..Nuff said….

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-05-04 18:33:18

Nominating Obama is the best favor Dean could possibly do for the repubs.

Comment by Lou | 2008-05-05 02:45:20

Word is that Pelosi and Dean are being called a dual party supporter. At least Pelosi and Reid are. They pander to both parties. Bush has Pelosi wrapped around his little finger. google some you tubes and see.

Comment by Kourian | 2008-05-05 16:31:18

Pelosi ain’t too bright. Not if W can bamboozle her.

 
 
 
 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 14:37:25

Look at the states Clinton is winning….She has won most of the large agricultural states…..Why is this ?…..Farmers love Her….She has a real chance at returning into the fold these agricutlural states….This is why Obama with the collusion of the media got the caucuses in Texas…..
Texas is actually competitive in the general if Clinton is the candidate…
THIS IS WHAT THE GOP DOES NOT WANT AMERICA TO REALIZE…ALL THESE LARGE AGRICULTURAL STATES ARE ACTUALLY COMPETETIVE IN THE GENERAL IF CLINTON IS THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE….

 
 

Comment by Nellie | 2008-05-04 13:33:31

John,

Even in reading this, I sense a tone of being conflicted by you, possibly feeling your doing the right and ethical thing will cause hard feelings in the party.

I am from NH, and even there Obama’s campaign broke at least 3 laws, something people in my state do not take kindly to. You are right Laws are Laws, and perpetrators should receive due judgement.

Welcome to No Quarter You have come to the right place. If you stay a while, you will note the genuine warmth, the openess to real discussion, and a deep committment not only to Democratic Party stated values, but a real love of genuine American Democracy as crafted by our fore-fathers.

Rest assured you have done the right thing. You will find intelligent and true support here.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 13:47:28

I’m from Texas and every chance I get I hav e posted in the commentary about Texas. Look the GOP ( I won’t sully my keyboard by mentioning his name ) former Majority Whip achieved the WORST DISTRICT JERRYMANDERING IN DECADES THROUGHOUT THE STATE…shortly before he was drummed out of DC. He is too scared to reside in his home district of HOUSTON let alone TEXAS. You have him to thank for change in property laws that now allow just about anyone to seize property for the right of IMMINENT DOMAIN….
Texas Politics has always been a tad shady but has become so corrupt of late even ordinary republicans are disturbed….in Texas this says a lot.
Obama campaigned in 4 cities. Clinton was all over the state. Look at the county map and you can see how many counties she won in the primaries.
It is astonishing…..Obama I think won 3….Texas is the second largest state in the union. It was the equivalent of Obama taking Anchorage but getting
1/2 the delegates…..Check it Out.
Clinton cannot Fight this Shit Alone….

Comment by beebop | 2008-05-04 13:51:58

The GOP won’t make a big deal of this.

They have every expectation of a huge win in November if the Demobrats are silly enough to stamp their feet and put forward a candidate that half of the rank and file will not support.

They have no idea how easy they are making it to not support Barky.

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-05-04 14:17:56

The repubs know that Obama is an amateur compared to them in election fraud.

 
 

Comment by Lou | 2008-05-05 02:48:03

Yes and why did they each split the delegates..92 each?
Why does she win a state and he egts more delegates?

 
 
 

Comment by jd | 2008-05-04 13:40:30

For Democrats and Indy, the choice is simple: do not vote for obama. obama can’t win unless Democrats and Indy support him in Nov.

Thank you, Pacific John. You did the right thing.

 

Comment by Nancy | 2008-05-04 13:44:43

pacific john, better late than never. thank you so much for informing us. intraparty diplomacy notwithstanding, this is an extremely important issue that goes to the very soul of our party. party officials keeping this under wraps are hiding a festering hernia. i hope others will follow your example.

Comment by requiemforadancer | 2008-05-04 13:52:31

Country before party.

It’s not as if Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi are fighting the good fight for Americans, they’re promoting a corrupt piece of filth, betraying Americans.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 14:48:35

Dean and Pelosi are ignoring the fact that linton puts important states in play for the general…IN and NC will play that out….She delivers the farmers…

 

Comment by Lou | 2008-05-05 02:50:37

 
 
 

Comment by drkate | 2008-05-04 13:46:42

Thanks for this post. I am appalled by the continued reports of intimidation in these caucuses by the Obama team.

Comment by Lou | 2008-05-05 02:55:04

The latest is the Guam Caucus.
8100 ballots were cast
4500 were counted
3600 of Hillary’s votes were thrown in the trash.
It’s being investigated and could be some real ammunition for argument to the SD’s
They have been throwing her votes in the trash in every state. It was witnessed everywhere. Someone from WA said she left the caucus because they threw her vote in the trash. Many people had serious doubts their vote counted after having spent a whole day at the caucus.

 
 

Comment by John Y. | 2008-05-04 13:49:27

I’m happy to see someone is finally coming forward with the caucus corruption in Texas.

However, there is much more to it. There were actually threats made to Hillary voters and physical violence - pushing, pulling, blocking, and stealing documents right out of people’s hands. Hillary voters were forced to leave or face dire consequences.

It was a disaster full of crime and corruption. I’m sure Saddam’s elections were more civilized.

Any fool could clearly see from the results that something was seriously wrong. Hillary clearly won the organized primary and lost the corrupt caucuses.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 14:16:58

I think that NC will not be caught unprepared like Texas. Democrats across the state are still stunned and in a state of shock about it. NO ONE WANTS TO DISCUSS ANY OF IT…ONLY THE ALTERNATIVE PRESS WILL EVEN ADDRESS IT…..I will tell You this The HISPANIC PRESS is all over it and has been since the beginning……They were Pissed…..Things are very touchy down here….For lots of reasons but Clinton had overwhelming support from Hispanics, Ranchers and Farmers….

Comment by IndayHill | 2008-05-04 17:25:42

Isn’t it obvious that there is something “fishy” that BHO wins practically majority of the caucuses but not in the primaries?
I pray that the state DNC authorities will not tolerate this criminal act.How about us, the people,will put to a STOP to this unfair tactics.If allowed, use the phone camera & take pictures!We need to do something to make the election clean, NO VIOLENCE, PLEASE!! PEOPLE POWER !!!Cameras are our weapons, how about it? Then to the press, we go!
Pacific John, you are a patriot, in my eyes. You want a clean, fair election.Continue exposing the illegal acts & report BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!! America deserves the best!!!

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-05-04 18:36:53

We knew that there was something “fishy”, this just conforms it. Maybe the state DNC officials will not tolerate this, the national DNC (i.e. H. Dean) gives the appearance of condoning it.

Comment by Concerned Independent | 2008-05-25 11:00:27

That would be due to the fact that Obama is one of

Dean’s Dozen

. Google it.

 
 
 

Comment by Lou | 2008-05-05 04:57:39

They are passing out Phony (sample ballots with the word sample removed) ballots with Obama already checked on it in NC. They hand them out at the door and do not check for ID. That’s the latest about NC. Trouble is, no one knows what to do about it even though it is occuring right under their garlic noses.

 
 

Comment by Lou | 2008-05-05 03:03:41

Wyoming had serious problems too. It was an exciting day for Dem voters there who thought they would finally crawl out of the woodwork and get their voices heard. Groups and groups of families for Hillary got in their vans to drive long distances to the main caucus. (why they had to drive so far I do not know) When they got there, they were dumbfounded when the Obamabots had locked them out of the primary even though they wer on time. That is why Hillary campaign began telling voters to arrive early. Is this America? I bet they haven’t had a good night’s sleep since. They probably can’t stand the site of BO on TV either.

In Texas, Hillary voters were told to wait otuside and they woudl be called inside in due time. 3 hours had passed and the caucus inside was going on without them so they all went home.

Imagine a Hillary rally. Now Imagine that amount of people all waiting 3 hours in the parking lot. many ahd kids in tow and elderly. Democracy?

Comment by Lou | 2008-05-05 03:05:35

sorry about the typos-screen glare.

 
 
 

Comment by mimi | 2008-05-04 13:52:51

Having been born and raised and lived my entire life in a Primary state, I simply do not understand this process not having had an opportunity to experience it first hand. I mention this because the siezeble AA population in my state, already blinded by their desperation to see an black president, will not understand it either.

What’s up with this whole Caucus system anyway? Supposedly to give small states an equal edge? Well if they’re not going to run the thing fair and square and all of these fraudalent tactics are possible then I say to hell with trying to give concessions to smaller states. They need to earn it by making sure voter fraud isn’t possible.

By the way this all sounds to me, then Obama isn’t really leading in anything except bullshit. How is anyone supposed to trust the process with these lingering doubts?

And again, a negligent MSM figures prominently in all of this.

Sorry, but the one vote per person Primary system works every time.

Comment by jd | 2008-05-04 13:54:22

Caucus was/is meant to save money and is cheaper to do compared to primary.

Comment by usedmeat | 2008-05-04 14:09:21

And a way for machine politicians to have an easier time of getting their candidates nominated.

 

Comment by Strawberrybitch | 2008-05-04 14:33:48

What’s really funny is, in Washington state we have both, and the primaries don’t count at all. Talk about a waste of money. It’s also funny… well, sad, really, how few people realize their votes mean nothing.

Comment by Lou | 2008-05-05 03:11:46

Don’t they call the Caucuses the cauci now?

 
 
 

Comment by Lou | 2008-05-05 03:10:54

” all sounds to me, then Obama isn’t really leading in anything except bullshit. “~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

EXACTLY! Obama is not winning. He is not even close.
He stole approx 3-1 in some states and definitely 2-1 in the remainder states. They have a system.

Hillary has brought out the people in all kinds of weather and in droves-..not obama..even shut-ins went to the polls for Hillary.

 
 

Comment by William | 2008-05-04 14:05:14

These are the tactics the Nazis used. This is beyond abhorrent. These are people who are so brainwashed by the cult of Obama, so full of their pathological hate of Hillary Clinton, so much a product of a post-modernist intelliectual and physical fascism, that they see nothing wrong with what they did. They probably think that all this is equivalent to some fun computer game. These are the people that Obama has brought to Democratic politics. And we are the suckers, the people who believe in democracy and fair elections. And we are being destroyed.

Obama has cheated in every caucus. What happened in Texas probably happened everywhere else. In Guam, there somehow are 500 “spoiled” ballots, mostly in a Clinton-heavy district. There are missing ballots as well. Guam was stolen. Texas was stolen. The margins in states like Washington and Idaho were immensely more than the true count. Obama may have up to 100 illegally obtained delegates. His nomination, cheered by the party elites and the media, will be stolen. When it’s all over, someone will inevitably be elected. That’s not nearly as important as the fact that we no longer have a democracy here. We have the fascists and the dwindling numbers of idealists who still believe in democracy. In 2000 and 2004, the fascists of the right won. This time, the fascists of the left will win. Fascists are fascists. Thomas Jefferson is weeping.

Comment by Catriley | 2008-05-04 14:12:27

I attended the Washington State caucus this year.. my second. It was awful! The Obama people took over the precinct location, and it was all but impossible to find the tiny table they’d relegated for Hillary’s supporters.

I have no doubt my caucus location was gamed. When I walked up to the door an Obama volunteer was directing people where to go, while handing out Obama stickers and pushing him on anyone who would listen. Once inside, there were a few hundred people crushed into a room, and I was told to find the “Hillary table” in the center of the room (while all the other tables were Obama tables) I was told all I had to do was sign my name and leave. No one was checking any voter registration, no one was checking to see if the person signing in was not filling in additional names — nothing was checked against a list of voters. It was so completely out of control that anyone could have easily brought in pre-signed sheets and laid them on the table, like they did in Texas. It was a room filled with aggressive Obama supporting men, and it was incredibly intimidating. I ran into many Hillary supporters that signed and left because they did not want to deal with those people.

Obama has figured out how to game the system. Considering the way he hired that expensive law firm to challenge his competitors off the ballot in Illinois, I have no doubt this is a coordinated effort.

Comment by ces | 2008-05-04 15:01:36

The “sign and leave” tactic is bogus.

They want you to leave so you don’t have enough people to cover your share of the delegates.

In my precinct in Texas, the prec. caption (an Omama man)
a) didn’t check IDs
b) used blank sheets of paper for people to sign
c) told people they could leave, but didn’t explain the whole process, so….

…us Clinton supporters barely had enough people to cover our 3 delegates we won.

Plus, I they (I think purposely) put some Obama people in with our group, so later they either didn’t show up, or were disqualified because they weren’t even in the right precinct.

Then the same guy had to be bugged twice to send out the delegate information. And he sent our info to the Obama campaign so I got spam and phone calls from them.

And then the C.F. of a county convention….what a joke.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 15:35:11

Yeah there is a YOU TUBE video about that….Hey Texas Ces…..Hope the weather is good where you are….

Comment by ces | 2008-05-04 17:07:00

Weather is fine, is not a bit windy. Nice enough for a bike ride. Now, if I could only get these folk to understand that bicycles are allowed on the road….

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 17:14:13

ROFL….Good Luck…..Pedal Fast…..

 
 
 

Comment by Lou | 2008-05-05 03:31:43

Many WA precincts came in as 0 for Hillary. That’s wrong.

 
 

Comment by Lou | 2008-05-05 03:17:18

Obama “hired volunteers” voted in every state and refused to check registration or ID. They knew how to take control of the caucus because they were trained in the summer of 2007 by Obama camp. This was planned way ahead of time.

 
 
 

Comment by Catriley | 2008-05-04 14:06:28

Thank you so much, PacificJohn!

I was just wondering this morning where we stood with the Texas irregularities. I was shocked that someone asked why the police were not involved.. and I can only think that they missed the scant coverage of police having to escort Hillary’s supporters into some precincts for that Texas Caucus.

Keep doing the good work. You’re awesome! I’m glad that you wrote to Lois. It was the right thing to do.

Now you’ve given me some nasty deja vu with the names Andrea Seastrand and Tom Bordanaro. Their campaign office dumpster diving is small potatoes compared to what is going on with these caucuses.

**It should be noted for those that are unaware, Rep. Capps’ daughter works for Ted Kennedy and is married to Obama’s spokesman (Bill Burton.) Rep. Capps helped the newlyweds purchase their home in D.C., that Capps shares with them. It gives some background as to her endorsement of Obama. Though, California was Hillary’s, SLO County is pretty Obamafied.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 14:28:43

The state legislature is controlled by Republicans. With the latest district jerrymandering it would take an AN ACT OF GOD for there to be even a sizable democratic increase in the state house. Ever heard of the so called YELLOWDOG DEMOCRATS from a couple of years ago….They escaped into Oklahoma to hold up the state house on passage of a bill….Texas has become a fascist state and nobody will deal with it….Look at how the districts were re-drawn….What the GOP could not do in Washington DC they achieved in Texas. This is why I will write in Clinton but in good conscious never vote GOP…..I’d sooner leave the country….CHECK IT OUT.
THE GOP ‘S STATED GOAL IS TO WIN A PERMANENT MAJORITY IN THE CONGRESS….IF YOU WANT A SNEAK PEAK INTO HOW THAT IS ACHIEVED RESEARCH HOW THEY DID IT HERE IN TEXAS…..IT WILL TAKE DECADES TO UNRAVEL…… IF EVER….

Comment by Lou | 2008-05-05 03:38:38

Yes that senator went to jail for fixing the district delgates in Texas. What’s his name? Ton Delaney or something.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-05 07:48:38

Delay…..and now I have sullied my keyboard…( sigh )

 
 
 
 

Comment by fooj | 2008-05-04 14:55:58

As a resident of the Central Coast in CA., I salute your integrity! You make us proud. Thank you for doing the right thing.

My own sense is that this information should not be withheld from delegates, since it both casts the Obama campaign as stunningly unethical, and it severely undermines the general credibility of caucuses. It also points out that perception and reality are upside down. The campaign that will “do anything to win,” including the illegal acts documented in affidavits, is not Hillary’s.

You said it. It certainly DOES UNDERMINE the credibility of caucuses. This information also calls into question the credibility of Obama’s delegate count. Fraud is fraud. There is no allowance for being “of two minds” on this issue.

BO desperately needed to claim that he won a big state and with the “fraudulent” caucus count of Texas…it appeared that he did garner a win. I found it interesting and rather telling that his rabid supporters weren’t SCREAMING VICTORY as they often do. I’ve pointed this out to many friends and advised them to keep a close eye on Texas.

It’s all about the RULE OF LAW. Thank you for honoring your commitment to our country AND to the Democratic process.

Comment by Mel | 2008-05-04 15:48:32

Not only Texas, every caucus state

Comment by fooj | 2008-05-04 18:48:33

Yes. Every caucus state should be called into question if evidence of criminal fraud can be shown.

The “Obamanation” has morphed in “Abomination”, hasn’t it? Wonder how long they will PROJECT the “winning at all costs” mantra upon Hillary? Seems to me it’s wearing mighty thin…

 
 
 

Comment by mimi | 2008-05-04 15:01:38

Again, I come from a Primary state and am ignorant to the process. Are cameras not allowed in? It’s just so frustrating to hear and not be able to show people. this age of video and youtube would make this stuff so much more powerful and persuasive. But it looks like cameras must be a no-no.

Comment by Talktruth | 2008-05-04 15:31:55

If you go to http://www.youtube.com and type in “Obama voter fraud,” you’ll get a lot of hits. Here’s one that was interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LASNtFcqF4g

The woman here says that the results, or what happened there, will be contested through the Democratic Party, not legal channels. Not sure if that’s the Texas Dem Party or the DNC.

Comment by speaktruth | 2008-05-04 16:31:46

I think Kim Friedlander is the name of the name of the woman who made some great videos of Texas caucuses. I think I may have seen them on this site, not sure.
See my post below for more info on Iowa caucus. Fraud began there.

 
 
 

Comment by beachnan | 2008-05-04 15:35:35

We have all been wondering about Obama’s support. It is very telling, that he was able to win many caucuses, but few primaries. We need to shout this information from the rooftops. This needs to get out to MSM. This is such a farce and I will be contacting the DNC again tomorrow. Join me-DNC 1-877-336-7200. We must keep speaking out.

 

Comment by Kathy | 2008-05-04 15:44:48

Obama is a bad, bad man.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 16:29:01

OK that was cute…

 

Comment by Lou | 2008-05-05 03:42:24

Worse than you can imagine. He is positioning himself to change America alright. Worse than you could ever imagine.
He is an awful man and a very scary person. He belives he can win Hills blue states. He thinks we’ll rally around him if is is the nominee. Hill knows we won’t.

 
 

Comment by Talktruth | 2008-05-04 16:09:03

O.K., something very interesting just came on FOX News, but I only caught the tail end of it. It went something like this: Howard Dean said something about Rev. Wright. Obama got mad that Dean brought it up. Dean said, “I can say whatever I want.” Then they gave a promo for Dean appearing on Chris Wallace’ show on FOX News tonight.

Sounds rather juicy!

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-04 16:25:46

Well I’m too Po’ for cable do write in and spread the cheer will ya ? Thanks Truth….

Comment by Talktruth | 2008-05-04 16:31:22

Dah, it’s nothing. Here’s the part of the Dean interviews transcript from tonight’s show that covers it:

WALLACE: Governor, are you suggesting that bringing up Jeremiah Wright is race baiting, and hate and divisive?

DEAN: Yeah, I am suggesting that kind of stuff. I think when you start bringing up candidates that have nothing to do with the issue — when you start bringing up things that have nothing to do with the candidate and nothing to do with the issues, that’s race baiting, and that’s exactly what it is, just like Willie Horton was race baiting so many years ago.

I think we’re going to take a — we’re going to turn the page on this stuff. I tell you, you know, there’s a lot of difference between the Republicans and the Democrats on issues, but the biggest issue of all is we don’t use this kind of stuff. We never have used this kind of stuff, and we’re not going to start now.

America is more important than the Republican Party, and that’s the lesson that the voters are about to teach the Republicans.

WALLACE: But, Governor, I’ve got to tell you, when I interviewed Barack Obama last week, he said he thought that the Reverend Wright issue was a legitimate political issue — his words.

DEAN: Well, he can say whatever he wants. I’m going to say whatever I want. I’m not getting into Reverend Wright. He’s caused enough trouble for our country over the last several weeks.

So, basically it’s Howard Dean telling all of us who are concerned with BO’s character and past associations to shut the f up (didn’t he tell us that about a month ago, too?), and then BO saying, in his usual doy manner, that it is a legitimate issue. I think I’m going with Gutter Ball on this one :-J.

Oh, and here’s the link to the transcript:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354105,00.html