Dear Senator Obama: Oprah and the ex-husband of Rev. Wright’s Wife saw the damage Wright could do. Why didn’t you? [Updates throughout]
By SusanUnPC on May 4, 2008 at 8:45 AM in Barack Obama, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.
“Obama’s campaign has been built upon his supposed transcendent qualities and intuitive judgment,” writes former ambassador Joseph Wilson today.
The American people need a president they feel they can trust: They need a president who has shown sound — even calculating — judgment in the most basic, everyday matters. Like choosing a pastor, or leaving a pastor who preaches divisive and racist beliefs. If it had come out that Obama had left Trinity 18 years ago because he disagreed with that pastor’s “incendiary” rhetoric, people would have been impressed with his judgment, even if it was self-protective.
“Something Wasn’t Wright”: According to a story in the new issue of Newsweek, Oprah left Wright’s Chicago Trinity church because of “Wright’s more incendiary sermons, which she knew had the power to damage her standing as America’s favorite daytime talk-show host.”
So why didn’t Barack Obama leave the church for the same reason? Why not leave to protect his all-consuming political aspirations? And might this be part of the reason we haven’t seen much of Oprah in support of Barack? That she was able to make the cold but rational decision to leave the church because it would harm her career. Oprah used what my mother used to call “good old-fashioned common sense.” Obama did not.
And how could Obama attend the church of a pastor who “stole the wife of a parishioner - after the man sought Wright’s help in saving his troubled marriage,” according to today’s front-page story in the New York Post, “BARACK’S REV. ‘STOLE A WIFE’: EX-HUBBY: HE COUNSELED US, THEN WED HER.”
And why didn’t Obama object to Rev. Wright’s attack — from the pulpit against another minister who criticized Wright’s questionable marital counseling methods? The incident happened in 2003, before Obama was in the Senate, and still living in Chicago, a strong indicator that, even if he wasn’t in church that day, he heard about Wright’s attack. The minister Derrick Mosley reports that “[Wright] ranted and raved from the pulpit. He got up and announced, ‘If Derrick Mosley is in the building, I want you all to arrest him.’ ” Why was Wright angry? Derrick Mosley dared to state the “‘unwritten rule’ that pastors don’t counsel married couples separately” — as Wright did with his future wife and her then-husband.
Why didn’t these stories — which Obama surely had to hear about while attending the church for 20 years, either in person or from fellow parishioners — sufficiently bother Barack Obama that he’d leave the church? And why would Barack and Michelle Obama seek counseling for their marriage from Rev. Wright? Or seek him out to baptize their children?
Delmer Reed, 59, confided to pals that he believed the minister moved in on his wife while Wright was counseling the couple at his Chicago church in the early 1980s, The Post has learned.
"That's exactly how he said it," Reed's divorce lawyer, Roosevelt Thomas, told The Post.
"It looks like Delmer might have been right," he said, because after Delmer and Ramah Reed were divorced, she got remarried - to Wright. "Either that or this was the biggest coincidence in the world."
Asked about the relationship between Wright and his ex-wife, Reed told The Post, "Oh, the things I could tell you."
Initially, he didn't believe the rumors.
"People were telling me that my extremely attractive wife was seen with the pastor," Reed said. "But I didn't believe it. I thought, 'So what?' "
Was he wrong in the end?
"Well, yeah," he said.
Asked if Wright broke up his marriage, Reed laughed, then said, "I told my kids I wouldn't say anything to hurt their stepfather, so I'm not saying anything."
But he said he's been hounded by the press and "offered money" to tell his story. …
Here’s more damning information from the second page of the article:
[Y]ears ago, Reed did express anger about the situation, said Harold Davis, who said he learned about the matter through mutual friends.
“Jeremiah knew all the weaknesses of the couple, and he started focusing on the wife, her vulnerabilities, and started doing things she wanted Delmer to do - spending time with her, taking her to the movies, that sort of thing,” said Davis, who heads the Chicago branch of football great Jim Brown’s Amer-I-can youth program.
“Everybody knew Jeremiah took the man’s wife,” said Davis. “It was common knowledge.” …
This may be the most disturbing passage of the article:
Activist Derrick Mosley, a self-styled minister who has clashed with Wright, said there’s an “unwritten rule” that pastors don’t counsel married couples separately - as Wright did with Ramah Reed, he said.
In 2003, Mosley said, “I called him on the carpet about the indecorous manner in which he’d obtained his wife.”
In response, said Mosley, “he ranted and raved from the pulpit. He got up and announced, ‘If Derrick Mosley is in the building, I want you all to arrest him.’ “
Read all of the NY Post’s “BARACK’S REV. ‘STOLE A WIFE’
EX-HUBBY: HE COUNSELED US, THEN WED HER.”
Good Post Susan…..I was reading about the wife stealing this morning…
The more Wright is in the papers the better.
SHAPIN UP TO BE A FINE STRING OF PRIMARY VICTORIES FOR SEN. CLINTON.
Good morning! Here’s the quote that struck me from the Post article:
Activist Derrick Mosley, a self-styled minister who has clashed with Wright, said there’s an “unwritten rule” that pastors don’t counsel married couples separately - as Wright did with Ramah Reed, he said.
In 2003, Mosley said, “I called him on the carpet about the indecorous manner in which he’d obtained his wife.”
In response, said Mosley, “he ranted and raved from the pulpit. He got up and announced, ‘If Derrick Mosley is in the building, I want you all to arrest him.’ “
God, he has such unmitigated gall, arrogance, and lack of judgment! Hmmm, where have we seen those attitudes/character traits before…BO!
Truly a man of God.
BWAHAHAHA! OH MAN I love these MANZ of GAWD! But yes, that’s it in a very large, puss ozzing nutshell. It’s about obamalamadingdongs “judgement” ain’t it. Let’s look at his “judgement” shall we? He ties his cart to a slimmy, rip off developer for political contributions. Would that be GOOD judgement or BAD? He befriends an unreptent dommestic terrorist/accessery to MURDER and attempted murder, sits on the board of a charity for 8 years with him and accepts BIG contributions from him, is this GOOD or BAD judgement? He goes to a church where for 20 YEARS he sitts and listens to “sermons” full of racist hate, hate for America and homophobic, xenophobic, misogynistic crap delivered by an adulterus scumbag of a hoodwinkin, bambooalin, moneygrubbin huckster. Was this good judgement or BAD judgement? If you have any problem figuring the answer out you have sipped a few to many times at the obamalamadingdong well of ever replenishing koolaide. You have to be a total burnout OBAMAZOID to think this clown should even be able to empty the TRASH cans at the White House, let alone LIVE there.
Let us not forget Louis Farahkan — a deciple of Malcolm X and a rabid anti-semite. Wright won’t attack his pal Farahkan and neither will Obama. Then there is Auchi — and oh so many more. However, Obama said today on MTP that Hillary will leave the race when she realizes that he has more delegates and that its hopeless for her to continue. I believe that Obama will continue his run for the presidency until his wife ALLOWS him to quit.
Our Steel Magnolia is running to save this country from this Manchurian Candidate. Run Hillary Run.
True that ! S hall….Steel Magnoila indeed….
The more Wright is exposed the better. I don’t buy OPRAH’s exscuse for leaving that church eiher…..What she was afraid of a ratings slump !
Oh Brother !……Quod me nutrit me destruit……
Translation : What nourishes me also destroys me…..
Wonder if Oprah is afraid of her current ratings slump–because of her rabid support of Obama.
I kept wondering how come Oprah suddenly disappeared from Obama’s side. I know her ratings went down, but the woman is no fool. She isn’t bunkered from this campaign now for nothing.
So I’m listening to Barry Queen of Snots on Russert do the great APOLOGETIC on Wright……He almost NEVER takes his eyes off the table as he talks about his distancing…….from a man he says was not his spritual or political advisor……..OH BROTHER…..GROAN……
I had to turn it off, I couldn’t stomach watching him do his usual pack of lies!
Did Russert ask Obama if his kids were at TUCC this morning?
No…..Hmmmmm…….Where are the kiddies recieving their spiritual intruction now ?
Mom?
She seems to be a pretty close disciple of Jerry’s …
She counseled them this morning about how Americans are mean and ignorant and Mommy N Daddy are going to heal their souls.
WCA, BO did the same thing weeks ago when I saw him with Jon Stewart on the Daily Show. He looks down a lot. A straight shooter will look you in the eye - Barry Queen of Snots has to keep the lies in his eyes a secret, so he looks away!
Wonder when and where Wright is performing next?
I think he looks down a lot, also because he is reading notes. Especially when he is talking policy, which he seems to have no idea about. They wouldn’t allow a teleprompter, which is the only time he looks up when he is speaking.
Oh, that’s right, he said he will have advisors to do that for him. And others to organize him. Oh, but he’s not so good at hiring decisions. Like those pesky Supreme Court Judges and Cabinet members.
So tell me again, why is anyone voting for him?
Oh, change, right. And hope. And diversity.
Ehemmm……Barry Queen of Snots has special UNIFYING powers….
Chuckle…..
Why are Democrats voting for Obama — because its time (whatever that means). Is it time to put in a novice who talks hopey/changey but who is clueless about the real issues facing this country? Is it time to pit Americans against one another and further weaken a nation already on the ropes? Is it time to give this country to a novice who thinks that he can conger up a Foreign Policy out of his ass? Once again Democrats were banboozled by a loser and once again we will get another Republican President to further dismantle what is left of our social safety net. Why BECAUSE ITS TIME.
Barry is toast. Got jam?
I could jam all day… We don’t need no stinkin’ notes on a page…
Obama and the Orange Marmalades are playing tonight…you will have to get tickets from his scalpers because he can sell ‘em at the window, they aren’t legite.
Check out if you can, how many people unsubscribed from Oprah’s site when she announced for Obama. Is there a way to check that?? How many hits her site had before and after???
I bet she disappeared when her site started getting less traffic.
[…] Stephen C. Rose wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptAnd how could Obama attend the church of a pastor who “stole the wife of a parishioner - after the man sought Wright’s help in saving his troubled marriage,” according to today’s front-page story in the New York Post, “BARACK’S REV. … […]
I don’t get the title SusanUnPC: “…the ex-husband of Rev. Wright…” ?
Yes, it should read: “…the ex-husband of Rev. Wright’s wife…”.
Susan, perhaps it should be corrected so that the Obamaphiles don’t start accusing you of claiming Rev. Wright was once in a same-sex marriage!
Freudian slip?
That’d be funny given Rev. Meeks’s a homo..: what a family!!
It’s fixed . i was editing and hit publish before i was done fixing it.
Not coming up yet SusanUnPC; also missing a “d in “upates”
Always glad to be of service by being entertaining.
Blame my neighbors whose drunken hilarity went outside around 3:30 a.m. and woke me from badly needed sleep since i don’t feel good.
Gay?
So is Reverand Wright going to marry a gay couple in his church?
” I’m happy to have a debate with the republicans about patriotism…”
Barry Queen of Snots on Russert….WHAT ABOUT DEBATING CLINTON ?
Now he’s talkin about Meeeeechelle’s daddy working in a ship yard…..core values…..Meeeeechelle’s daddy worked despite havin MS…..Obama’s grandaddy being working class…..Does Tim Russert Ever come UP FOR AIR ?
You’re a better person than I am to even watch that garbage.
The only point of it now is to further discredit the MSM and provide the videotape of the lies that the 527’s will be using against Baby Doh!
How much funnier it will be that they can use network tape!
beebop — I would call Obama baby-dough. Cause its all about the money for him and his greedy Mrs.
Barry obviously isn’t happy to have ANY debate.
Real debates are not Obama’s friends.
Tim Russert only comes up for air when he belches after his usual gargantuan meal.
LOL…..Russerts’ mouth has got to be NUMB by now if you catch my drift……No ?
George is really trying to nail Hillary this morning, and Hill is not laying down, she is doing really well!
He has to be tough because of the crap he and Charlie took. Fortunately, she’s not the folding chair that Baby Doh! is and can stand up to the little snot.
Maybe we’ve forgotten how smart people challenge each other.
She’s brilliant, he’s is, too, remember, despite having to dumb it down for ABC.
Well now I’m at Sundays’ George and Clinton is goin after the OIL CORPS.
She looks great. ” This gas tax issue is very real….”She is tying Govt. power and elite opinion to those economists who don’t agree with her on the gas tax. She is impressively wonky…..
I assume our beloved Susan will put up the video soon?
I give Hillary a 99% on her interviewing skills. “In no uncertain terms” I give Obama a minus-gazillion %.
Oprah has taken in billions of dollars on the backs of women, many of which are “typical white people.”
She has betrayed the nation and women in particular, not so much for campaigning for Obama, but remaining silent now that the world knows Der Fuhrer Obama is a race-divider for power, self-aggrandizement and material gains.
Oprah is a disgrace of a human being. Dividing peoples in words (threats of riots) is a step towards desensitizing people to think of “us and them.” The steps that could follow are frightening even to contemplate! Suffice it to say Oprah should look at the Third Reich for her history lesson of what happens when groups of people are targeted for scapegoating. People should hold Obama and his enabler Oprah equally responsible for what they are putting the nation through at this time.
If she does not publicly renounce Obama soon “in no uncertain terms” as Obama would say, she should expect to be written off in the history books as an enabler of Obama who used racism and fear of insurrection (race riots) — and anointer of John McCain as president — although the anointing part could change very soon as Hillary kicks butt in the remaining primaries and we see mass defections away from “The [wolf in sheep’s clothing evil] One.”
Fuck you Oprah and Obama: we won’t willingly allow you a “Fourth Reich.”
What was so interesting after the ABC debate that caused so much consternation among the obambrats was the number of them who blocked ABC and/or vowed not to watch. Since ABC is where her bread is buttered, that further erodes her support.
People’s principles have a tendency to erode when the mighty dollar raises its head. Only people like Bill Ayers with inherited wealth can hold onto their core beliefs. Nice to be a rich kid who can throw a bomb and run and know that the consequences don’t blow back on you cuz daddy has tons of money and great connections to the people you call “pigs.”
I totally agree.
In my life I’ve had opportunities for advancement and have repeatedly refused out of principle. When I leave this Earth, one of the things I take with me is my beliefs, and more important how I stuck with them even when carrots on strings were put before me.
Karma dollars can be redeemed in many more places than cash.
I always understood karma to be the guy at the window when cashing out at the casino of life.
He takes your chips and instead of returning dollars, he will give you an upgraded comp for the next visit.
Trying to cash out chips that were played at the lier’s craps table are non redeemable, as is the person attempting to exchange them.
Tough choice. Came to the plain of existence neckid an’ I’m gona leave the same way, if not somewhat over weight.
In Rock Paper Scissors don’t principles trump words?
AA’s are right about the justice system. Ayers was allowed to skate because he had money and power. If an AA had done the bombing he would be warming an electric chair. This is what bothers me about Obama — that he could befriend a man who would bomb this nation — but I guess the only color Obama really recognizes is green and Ayers has plenty of that.
Leagal change is happening. In our town we have an AA District Atty. who is working with the innocence project to overturn wrongful convictions….Guy is a hero….and this is in Texas….
Wright and Barry Queen of Snots act as if there is not progress….
Every time corruption is uncovered America deals with it….Not always quickly but it is addressed…
” The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing…” Edmund Burke, Letter to William Smith
Or like the SLA guys, would have been hit in a shoot out…
Obama has always chosen Green (money). He chose to live with his rich grandparents and he chose to go to the elite Punahoe (more green). Mommy was off living in a poor country — and he didn’t want any of that.
He wants an easy life with lots of money — for some reason Obama seems to believe that winning the white house would mean an endless supply of “green”.
He stayed in that church because it was the “in” church and gave him blackness. He wasn’t raised black — he was raised rich — in Hawaii. He really didn’t have “black” credentials. The Obamabots will scream “racist” at that remark — but it is the truth.
i haven’t cared for oprah for years. all this oprah bull left me saying wth! why? i don’t see any there there. she is likeable and talented to a point, but she isn’t all that and never was. trying to get people to read is laudable of course. i think all the fuax ego worship went to her head also. she now comes off to me as an arrogant twit who isn’t near what her ego tells her she is. you know people who remove their ego and want to do good for goodness’s sake do it without letting it be known. that school in africa is a joke. she could have spent that money in a much better method by enabling existing schools to teach even more students. duh!
i watched a video with her dissing the typical white women who support her for taking her to task early in the campaign. her response was a very ugly “i am a free black woman”. oprah that is already a known fact. but thanks for telling us how you really feel about us you self centered semi talented ego driven broad.
stodghie — funny though how having a billion dollars makes you a freer black woman.
true to a point though i wouldn’t mind getting up in the morning wondering how i could spend a million before lunch. smile!
i kept hearing about oprah’s big plans for her own channel. now i hear nothing. i also note that her poll numbers are slipping. ellen is way ahead. it happens to all of us. everyone’s time in the limelight ends. oprah probably did some long term damage to herself that might not show up right away. when bambi’s does down in flames in november and takas the dims with him, a lot of folks will remember oprah “he’s the one”.
stod — Oprah has the Discovery Channel. I think test patterns would attract more of an audience than she does these days.
LMAO…..She does suck the air out of a living room don’t she….
i turn her off faster than dr phil and that is saying something.
You made such great points S. Hall.
I think it is hard for many of us to comprehend the anger that sits just below the surface for many African Americans who lived thought the indignities of segregation and the times of ugly and open racism.
And identified with in Obama. I recognized he was pushing those buttons early. Assholerod had that game plan going very early on. Not sure if you read her “massa” routine with her BFF on her satellite show. I have no doubt that at her level of money and fame she gets to see some serious institutional racism going down. Which of course always leads me to ponder why she has labeled African “Americans” too ungrateful for her to spend her money and energy on like… I dunno… building a school in a poor black town in Memphis maybe? How about the Appalachians… oops.. won’t do… they are white… (anyone know what the rate of kids going to bed whiteout dinner tonight is? Go check it out.)
But please don’t lump Oprah into the general AA community. She is no such thing. When human beings become celebrities and mega-billionaires, no matter how hard they try, they cease to be connected. Money and fame warps the perspective of even the healthiest of minds.
And Oprah is, of all the most, a star gazer. If you doubt or question it, you have not watched her in the presence of one of her favorite bands or people. How can anyone be so superficial and come off so deep?
Welcome to Oprah-wood!!
(say goodbye to Obama-wood)
Gringo’s wife — well said. I agree when you become a celebrity you can afford to just pay lip service to the rest of us.
Perhaps if Obama had denounced Wright but delved into the issues that Wright spoke about in order to find solutions–we wouldn’t have this empty feeling about him — but what he did was use this segment of our population for his own benefit. He stirred up this caldron and now he wants to leave it to boil over. I pray that the AA population sees this for what it is.
When someone becomes part of the mega-rich — the color of their skin no longer matters. Rather it is the color of their money that counts.
Odd, given most of the women, people, who watch her don’t see her racial heritage, they see HER.
It’s a gift.
well, it seems oprah sees their color. go and google some of her comments about them. i was shocked. what gifts ophrah might have are now squandered. you can’t put humpty dumpty back together. sure she’ll be on tv awhile and will make some more money. but her days as the icon are over.
The thing is Oprah HAD to know all we now know about Oblahma ( and even much more ) HAD TO. and she still tried to ram this empty suit down out throats? Has she lost her mind?? I guess so. Actually Oprah has been acking for a beaking for awhile and was bound to over step. She seems to think she’s Jesus or something and over the years as grown ever more narcissistic…if that’s possible. She’s a nut cake, she has raisins for eyes
She is answering an Obama supporter and she states stats and says it’s time we take on the OIl COs….
George trying to nail Hill on nuke’s actually feeds into her ideas, simply because they make sense no matter how you look at it!
george already knew this i am thinking before he went into the interview with her. he knew she could handle what he threw at her. he knows well the clintons after all. now that doesn’t say that ole george is anything but your typical know nothing sunday pundit. just saying here!
He was brilliant, still is, I’m sure, I would think he has to dumb it down for ABC.
He worked with Clinton at 32 years of age, he was in part responsible for some of the very forward thinking, the BUILDING of the early Clinton years.
Oh, she’s giving it to George: “Before you became an objective journalist…”. Hah!
Hillary is the toaster of all interviewees! I’m not watching the interview but know Mr. Snuffleuphagus will be toast to a burnt cinder by the end of it.
George comes off as such a brat and keeps trying to interrupt her…..
She is reducing him to looking like a child. Clinton is giving EXCELLENT answers on foreign policy…..She has just CORRECTED GEORGE on the fact that we already have bases in the middle east….George is such a PUTZ !
ha ha ha ; I love it; poor George, back to therapy….
I almost expected him to start dancin foot to fot like a kid who needs permission to go to the bathroom…George did not look very informed or grown up…..He’s such a hack….George needs to study him some CRONKITE….
My favorite Hillary Clinton Quip was when she said RUSH LIMBAUGH HAS ALWAYS HAD A CRUSH ON HER…….That was comic genius…..She is Good.
i’ll bet even rush might laugh about that. hmm, wonder if he’ll mention it tomorrow. not to worry he’ll happily attack the clintons for any reason.
Boy you look into the crowd and you can see who are Obama supporters, they are sitting there going duhhhhh!
The woman who tried attacking Hill over the fuel relief, Obama words that held no meaning, cherry picking Obama’s words, and Hill sure got in the Eletist plug 6 times during it and watched a Black couple the camera focused on going from smiling to dropping their heads when Hill nailed it against Obama’s stand!
Look at what Tom Hanks has to say on the subject in this video clip:
Tom Hanks’ videotaped endorsement of Obama (obviously home-made!)
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.indiv idual&videoid=33546997
I like his movies.
His political support for Baby Obama will impact five or ten people, tops.
Nice try though.
Scared, right?
You should be. It’s going to suck to be you Tuesday.
Does anyone have a verified list of who has endorsed who? I’m very loyal, especially in the case of this election and all the gargantuan damage Obama has done to our nation: I won’t be buying another DVD of a Hanks movie nor will I ever see a movie by him again. He clearly is an idiot to put his name next to Obama’s.
On the flip side, I want to spend extra money on Hillary endorsers. I believe in voting with my wallet.
I would like to know where not to spend my dollars after this election, and Hanks is now on the shit list.
the Wiki site has the lists on it
Hanks as given to both
Rita more so to Hillary but also to BO.
Tom Hanks endorsed Darth Obama?
Well, I raise you one Liz Tailor!
Hmmm…..FORREST GUMP ENDORSES OBAMA !…….Nuff said….LOL
And Hanoi Jane …
And a de facto endorsement from Jimmy Carter who just met with Hamas. (I respect Carter but he is way off on this!)
I respect Carters Past…..He made an excellent EX PRESIDENT.
He lost me when He compared Israel to South Africa….IMHO
the man is goin senile and jeapordizes his legacy…..
I was unaware of that.
And I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment of senility (whether meant physically or metaphorically) and here is why:
It could be Carter wants to be perceived as neutral in the Israeli and Palestinian conflict — people might think he is anti-Isreal in stating what you attribute to him. But the Palestinians would have an opposite view. The end result being Carter can be a facilitator towards peace or putting out some of the constant brush fires between the Israelis and Palestinians. He is a man of deep religious faith and wants to save lives. I believe the tenet of his faith is “Blessed are the peacemakers.” And its not my faith but I agree with that sentiment.
That being said, in our right leaning pro-Israeli country, Carter has committed political suicide. But I truly admire him for wanting to prevent needless suffering.
Yes, Carter is bad politically for Obama. That’s great for Hillary, but Carter is following his heart and convictions.
I think when Carter said he had not endorsed Obama but his entire family had, he was trying to endorse Obama without hurting him in the process, for the aforementioned reasons above.
By the way I deeply respect the feelings people have on both sides of the Israeli and Palestinian conflict. Clearly, we need a solution to it.
To sell his book Jimmy Carter compared Israel to South Africa. He said Israel practices APARTEID on Palestinians.
It was provocative and frankly I think hints at SENILITY.
Why because it was non-sensical. Hamas is lobbing missles over into Israel. The Palestinians refuse to negotiate because they want Jerusalem as the Capital which is geographically stupid and ideologically wrong. Israel pumps millions of dollars into the Palestinian state. They are surrounded by countries who have stated intentions to destroy them. We are both the geo-political ally of Israel and the Ideaological ally of Israel. Jimmy Carter is wrong.
Frankly I think his latest behavior exposes a strain of historical anti-semiticism…Not unknown in GOOD CHRISTIANS his age from the Ol’ South….
He has behaved as a contradictory fool and proven his irrelevance…..He is out of touch.
Some Israelis, respected Israelis, think this also.
When I see those Israelis speak, I see hope for Israel, and that makes me happy.
We, as Americans, are not aware of the internal dynamics Israel is dealing with, our press stinks, let’s be honest.
But they have their neocons, too, the Cheney’s and the Bush’s, and Israel cannot sutrvive with that level of intellecutal discourse, neither can America.
But, you know, I see these smart people, again, like the novelist interviewed in May’s Atlantic, and I think, ah, they’ll be OK, if they let these people govern, again…
Bingo!
the israeli press is also far more critical of their government than the pathetic suckups we have here.