I Call a Spade a Spade
By PaganPower on May 7, 2008 at 1:12 PM in Barack Obama, David Axelrod, Democrats, Donna Brazile, Hillary Clinton, Indiana, Jesse Jackson Jr., Michelle Obama, Obamedia, Race, Race Card, Republicans, Rush Limbaugh, South Carolina
Obama campaign strategist (and Adolf Hitler lookalike) David Axelrod stated last night that Hillary won Indiana because Rush Limbaugh mobilized Republicans to cross over and vote for her. He claims that 10% of the Indiana electorate were Republican crossovers and Hillary did very well among them.
Obama Campaign Points Finger at Rush
“There were elements of the Republican Party, including Rush Limbaugh, Sen. Clinton’s new ally, who were urging people to cross over and vote for her,” said Axelrod, referring to the Limbaugh-led “Operation Chaos,” a bid to disrupt Obama’s path to the nomination and prolong a divisive primary battle. “She obviously was somewhat a beneficiary of that.”
Let’s have a reality check here folks. It seems Mr. Axelrod is suffering from Cult-Aide syndrome. You know, that mysterious disease of sudden memory loss that affects Obama supporters. Because what Adolf, I mean David, Axelrod neglects to mention is that it was his savior, I mean client, Barack Obama who began this mischievousness of courting Republicans to cross over and be Democrats for a Day over a year ago.
Bush Latte: Obama “Democrat for a Day” scheme in Florida, not only in Nevada?
But this is not about some “hard sell” to recruit voters to become permanent Democrats. Not at all. After the primary, you may re-register back to the Republican or Libertarian parties, or revert to your previous status as an Independent! There will be plenty of time before the general election in November 2008.
Not enough proof for you? How about this?
And if that is not enough proof that Obama has been the one behind all of this, take a look at the results.
Of course, Obama has carried Republicans in more states than Clinton has thus far, and has long pointed to this as evidence of his potential general election crossover appeal.
Notice the pattern? The Obama campaign starts something, then works their voodoo convincing the rest of us that is was actually Hillary or anyone else that was behind it all. The whole meme is that Obama is someone fresh, someone new and someone that preaches a “message” of hope and new politics. While conversely Hillary is polarizing, is responsible for the war and is willing to do anything to get elected. And people are buying into this bullshit.
How about a few more examples? Let’s source this pattern out and get to the bottom of things. It all started with Michelle Obama’s pronouncement in November 2007 that despite Hillary’s large lead among African Americans black folks would wake up.
Michelle Obama: ‘Black Americans will wake up and get it’
“First of all, I think that that’s not going to hold,” Mrs. Obama said of Clinton’s current numbers in an interview with MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski. “I’m completely confident.”
Acknowledging a certain reluctance in the African American community to back her husband for president, she said that support would come — but it would take time.
“Black Americans will wake up and get it,” Obama said.
Michelle Obama has never been one to mince words. She is a strong supporter of black segregation dating back to her days as a Princeton student. In fact her senior thesis (now permanently scrubbed until after the election) did precisely lament the fact that she has always considered herself a victim because of her race.
Mrs. Obama as an Ivy League schoolgirl
In her 1985 Princeton senior thesis, “Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community,” Michelle LaVaughn Robinson lamented that white professors and classmates always saw her as “Black first and a student second.”
Yes, victimhood was a trait used by Michelle Obama early on. It is little wonder that she gravitated to the church where victimhood was the sermon du jour every Sunday during that most segregated hour in America. As Michelle saw it then and still sees it now, white folks would never accept her as is, they would always think of her as something less than them. So to her, segregation was the only acceptable way for her as a black person to be.
“further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant.”…
And this concerned her so much that she wondered if all black folks at Princeton felt the same way. She had it in her mind that being black was something more important than being a person. So her own identification started with the premise that she was black first and human second. I will make no mention of the fact that science has proven this assumption to be incredibly wrong. But don’t tell Michelle.
“I wondered whether or not my education at Princeton would affect my identification with the Black community. I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with Whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that Black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility.”…
So in other words, in the world according to Michelle, hanging out with white folks made people forget that they were blacks. And that is according to her, something really bad. I don’t expect she was one of the people around the country that joined in singing Michael Jackson’s “We are the World.” She is more of the James Brown “I’m Black and I’m Proud” type of person if you ask me.
But then Hillary pulled off an impressive upset win in New Hampshire shocking the Obama campaign and the political pundits. And almost immediately afterward Obama’s Campaign Co-Chair Jesse Jackson Jr., son of Farrakhan friend Jesse Hymietown Jackson, and Grand Wizard of the JJJ announced Obama’s strategy very plainly. Watch for yourself:
How convenient that JJJ neglects to mention the tireless work Hillary provided immediately following 9/11 and how she took a leadership role as the following video demonstrates.
And then the infamous South Carolina memo surfaced that put it all into perspective and proved without a doubt that the Obama campaign intentionally played the race card to steal away Hillary’s strong African American support.
With his impressive win in North Carolina last night Obama once again received 90% of the African American vote. Does anyone actually believe that any group of people have the same political beliefs 90% of the time? If it was possible we wouldn’t have all the fighting and gridlock that has become commonplace in Congress since the beginning of our country. So it has to be something other than politics that unites 90% of the blacks. And I am quite certain that what it is that unites them is race. They support Obama because he is half black but he identifies as a black. Sort of like Joe Lieberman being an Independent but caucusing with the Democrats. Only difference is, they give Lieberman a Chairmanship and he takes it seriously. Obama, not so much.
After Hillary’s outstanding win in Ohio the buzz promoted by the Obama campaign was that Ohio voters were racists and that is why Obama lost so decisively. Exit polls from several sources promoted the same belief.
Race mattered more in Ohio primary than in any other state
In exit polls conducted for the Associated Press, 20 percent of Ohio voters surveyed said the racial backgrounds of Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton loomed important in their vote.
But what is not mentioned in this article is the percentage of blacks that voted for Obama. It is as if race can only be seen as a detrimental factor if white people use it to form their opinions and cast their votes. A full 87% of blacks in Ohio supported Obama for the nomination but what made the headlines were those 20% of Ohioans polled that considered race in their decision. The 87% black vote we are supposed to ignore or somehow gloss over. And that appears to be exactly what Donna Brazile and the DNC expect us to do.
Donna Brazile, the one that started the race war against Bill Clinton has concluded that blue collar white voters are part of the past and no longer a necessary part of the Democratic coalition which she sees as blacks, young people and overeducated whites (no offense to Uppity Woman).
Brazile vs. Begala on CNN: Brazile’s Blowout
But, Paul, you’re looking at the old coalition. A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don’t have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics.
Before the election results came in last night SusanUnPC of No Quarter said something very important in response to a comment I made at the beginning of a thread. And my apologies in advance should I embarrass her for pointing this out. But in my opinion she is a very wise person that many more of us should listen to.
If all I’m capable of is looking at my arm, seeing the color of my skin, and voting accordingly, I am not worth much. Imho.
And that is the crux of all of this nominating process. What started out as a race of ideas has become a race about race. And this diary has pointed out several examples that back up the claim sufficiently.
Many of us in the Hillary camp are distraught at what this race has become. We feel strongly that the Obama campaign has played unfairly. We know that they have successfully exploited people’s fears of the consequences of having a frank and honest discussion about race. And they have used it at every turn and do so with the tacit acceptance of the Democratic elite.
In case any of you forgot, it was John Kerry that said specifically that what made Obama uniquely qualified to be President was his race. Never mind that Geraldine Ferraro saying essentially the same thing only a week or so previously and was vilified and attacked mercilessly as a racist by the Obama campaign.
Open Mouth, Insert Foot [Updated]
the color of Obama’s skin makes him uniquely qualified for president and even reach out to the moderate Islam world (VIDEO BELOW).
The message I get from this whole experience is quite clear. It is ok to be a racist if you are an Obama supporter.
What the hell has happened to our Democratic Party?
BRILLIANT PAGAN….GREAT POST….
Here is the $10 billion question.
Who supports Hillary pulling a Ted Kennedy and fighting the convention, no matter what the odds?
I know I support it. Ted was no where near as close as Hill when he took it to Carter. What does everyone else think?
I support Hillary Clinton in whatever she decides to do. Frankly, since Donna Brazile has now thrown us old Dems out of the party, I wish Hillary and Bill would start a new party in which all races and ethnic groups, women, GLBTs, working class people, the elderly, people needing access to health care, people who love being Americans, you know, old school Democrats, are still welcome and valued.
When you use “cute” phrases against Obama like “call a spade a spade” and make Hitler references, you are not helping.
Yes. Please delete the “Hitler lookalike” and rephrase the spade metaphor. As Clinton supporters, I think we shouldn’t stoop to that. Senator Clinton has always adhered to the highest standards and we ought to try to emulate that.
I agree. Hillary would hate this kind of thing. The rest of the article is A-OK. (Okey- dokey?)
i agree i would like yo send this out to my internet groups..but i will not with the Hilter stuff here..it is unnessesary…and unbecoming of all of us.
please delete that part..
I agree
good for you
Again, given your method of troll, how the hell would you know?
You’re not perceptive, you’re not bright, you have what, a college degree, but no talent, no creativity, no capacity for critical thought?
And how many people did you blow to get your job, beacuse you sure didn’t get it based on talent, intellect or personality.
Yeah use pitch fork instead since thats what Barkys followers were going to bring to the convention.
My dog is offended by your calling Obama “Barky.” Cut it out or I’ll get Jason on your case.
To call a spade a spade means to tell it like it is. I appreciate your opinion that doing so doesn’t help but I beg to differ. I believe that it is about time we did start telling it like it is and stop hiding behind the politically correct normal speak that doesn’t allow us to communicate. Something drastic and dreadful has happened in the Democratic Party. I am not going to shut up just because someone might misinterpret my words or become offended by them.
And seriously… you don’t think Axelrod looks like Hitler? Trim that mustache some and pluck those brows a lot and viola.. or should I say Ja wohl!
And there’s Barky
“I see nothing”
Then you’ll have no problem retitling this post “Telling it like it is” or “Calling it as I see it” since, as others noted, the spade metaphor is a loaded one.
As for the Hitler reference, I suggest you familiarize yourself with Godwin’s Law:
“As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.”
Axelrod is more like Karl Rove than he is like Hitler.
Using both totally derails your argument.
Using both totally derails your argument.
And yet, miraculously (or so you imply), you’re here.
Once again, America is that wonderful place were we are free to disagree. Don’t like it? Don’t read it. Don’t like it is fine. But don’t read into it. That is just looking for trouble.
No one can write anything too libelous or any comparison too extreme for you, eh? If Axelrod is Hitler, can I compare Mark Penn to Idi Amin?
No, you can’t your arguemnt is fatuous garbage, go back to a real college this time.
OTOH, grasshopper, Axelrod is using race as method to divide the US population. The AA community, as well as the republicans, are being exploited.
Can you see it, the difference, and why your comparison paints you as a moron?
If anyone ever asks you to start a war, say no.
You’ll lose.
You wanna know what’s amazing?
Prior to this election season, blacks have voted 99% white - despite the presence of black candidates in the race.
And you say that only NOW are we being exploited? Funny how no one complained when we voted the way others wanted us to. But now that a qualified ‘black’ man is running - never mind he is more white than black given his rearing - we are wrong for supporting him? Were Catholics wrong for supporting JFK en masse? Geebus, I cannot believe I’m wasting ink on this site.
This should be called a ‘dump site.’ I think I’ll go take a shower now.
I am not going to re title my work. Period. You are entitled to your opinion as to what I mean with my words. I have stated very precisely what I mean by them. And my meaning counts more.
Self censorship is why we got in this mess, I agree, Pagan Power.
I may differ but….I stand by your right to say it any way you see it.
I agree with Pagan, well said and Barry and company can bring anything to prove their point, same way we will do. Analogy ‘master mind’ accepted, well written, come on, how is the word Barry uses? yes…he will say ‘to embellish the cynical tone’, that’s what we need brave people to call things by their name. That copy of the form where it shows the evidence, that this is ‘a game’ where all tactics are being used is exactly what will be on the record. I don’t trust ”google” since it endorses Barry, google is removing some ‘damaging posts’ regarding Barack, so if you find out something interesting, copy it, or if the info is still on the ‘cache’, copy and paste that address in your notepad and save it.
The guy who writes Barry’s speeches, incite to riots but in a camouflage way, so when those listening to (have proof) his speeches won’t notice, but those ‘the underground’ knows in what phrases, words (memes) is the message hidden.
So if you want to fight, sometimes you will have to be not too delicate that you might offend by saying “Adolf”, remember is to embellish, and feel better and bravo Pagan, just say it!
I think that the title was fine, and wholeheartedly agree enough is enough with the ultra-sensitivity. Now the BO fans are ultra-sensitive? Please. Where was the outrage with “pimping out Chelsea”? I saw bozos quoting Websters on that one. Always rationalizing their blatant, willful, purposeful disparaging remarks and sentiments towards Hillary, Bill and Chelsea. Rhodes was free to spew her vile against Hillary, and so did Rev. Wright — did someone ever apologize. Look, two wrongs don’t make a right. I just don’t think that calling a spade a spade is wrong. The term is part of common vernacular. Just ask gamblers about that one.
Regarding Hitler… my sister is a History Prof, specialist of WW II, we both noticed over a year ago the similarities — only thing with that is that Axelrod’s methodology is taken more from Goebells’ playbook. So, he resembles Hitler, but implements Goebells propaganda tactics. No joke.
If you trim HRC’s mustache and throw her under a heat lamp at McDonald’s, you’ll end up with Bill.
From Wikipedia:
The phrase predates the use of the word “spade” as an ethnic slur, which was not recorded in usage until 1928.
From Wikipedia:
If Obama’s campaign can say this about Fox:
Then it’s quite okay to use the phrase “calling a spade a spade” when not used as a slur, which was not the case here.
(The Hitler reference, though, was a little over the top; one, Hitler was a mass murderer, Axelrod is not. Two, how a person “looks” serves no purpose, is inflammatory, and the important substance of the conversation is lost.
Who gets offended by “tip of the spear”? Fox is a bunch of old white dudes.
Old white dudes aren’t going to be offended by that.
Simply because a phrase has another usage that predates the current offensive one, doesn’t mean it isn’t offensive when you put up a picture of a black man and call him a spade.
Everyone knows the phrase “calling a spade a spade”. No one disputes its old.
No one (sane at least) disputes that its also an offensive term commonly used to denigrate african americans and its usage in that regard is far more harmful than its usage here.
If the author doesn’t want to change the title, that is certainly her right.
It is also a reasonable position of any reader of this blog to assume she is a racist and the blog, by posting an article with that title is condoning racism.
re:
I do. I’m offended by that, using a code word.
No, it wouldn’t be reasonable, as she has repeatedly explained her intention and what those words mean to her. So if you don’t believe her, just call her a liar. It would be good, though, to offer proof why you think she’s a liar, and then everyone can weigh your argument against hers.
But I do congratulate you for distracting the import of this diary. I see you’ve learned quite well from the republican playbook: Look over there.
Why are AA’s voting against their better interests?
Obama is seen as a traitor by some, should his race serve as a shield, taking precedence over national security?
Let’s open it up, let’s discuss it.
Nobody seemed to mind whenever Obama people called me a C*nt. Think that’s ok? Fine. So screw the whole lot of you. I care about others the way they care about me.
Except I wouldn’t condone calling you a c*nt either. Thats the whole point. Just because some schmuck somewhere else called you a nasty word doesn’t make it ok for you to then call Obama a spade.
If I push you, you don’t just get to go push some random white guy.
Does that make sense to you?
No, you dont’get it.
Ko^, and Axelrod, and Obama are knowingly using race and the label of racist inan attempt to undermine their enemy, and defend against legitimate criticism.
In doing so, they are labeling as racist people who are not, putting themselves is a position where they have to defend a lie.
As such, the dynamically create chaos in their own house, and their own thinking, internally weakening them, and that’s what we want, that’s the goal, destroy them from within, by their own gun.
Good.
It’s the AA community, and their republican counterparts who are affected, though, and that has to stop.
It isn’t football, Obama, and Mccain are not the same as the cowboys, when they make a decision to go to war, illegally, they harm all of us, and we all have to learn to call them out, stand up to their methods, see through the shenanigans, to the truth.
People with common decency usually practice the kind of respect they’d have bestowed upon them, even in the worst situation.
I appreciate that you feel hurt, but I ask that you think carefully about how you respond to this feeling. You seem to have a great deal emotionally invested in this primary, and the way you’re reacting to it may not make you proud in the long run.
That’s you, again be aware, you’re creating your own reality in this desperate weak attempt to troll and project, a wrap around, but you’re being trolled, and others are letting you see what you want, you, the victim of your own lack of intellect, your own lack of understanding, your own amateurism.
I know you don’t understand it, you aren’t capable, but you have lost for seven straight consecutive years, and your current system, from the media, to your head, has failed, and you don’t know what to do.
ah, another obamabot patronizing people.
power of persuasion? needs some lessons.
There are NO persuasive methods that can be used to persuade the folks here that Obama is an acceptable candidate, despite the fact that the distance between him and Hillary on policy is about a foot, and there’s about a mile between the both of them and McCain. You all will have to come to that conclusion on your own, or not. I can’t tell you what your values are.
Since all of the policies to which Obama can lay claim that are attractive to any of us started out as Clinton policies, that argument falls like a lead spade.
Anyone who advocates voter disenfranchisement cannot be further from policy than I am. There is nothing that he can do to undo the fraud he has perpetrated on the voters in Michigan and Florida by spurning each and every attempt to fashion a revote that would “please” him short of just handing all of their delegates to him.
In November when those folks vote, all hell will break loose. All of those “dems for a day” he advocated (God, I throw up a little in my mouth just using that phrase) will be lining up to cast their REAL votes for daddy McCain and McGovern’s measure of defeat will be overturned. Barack Obama will “out” under perform him. Great dececision!
Like I said, no arguments will sway you from your course at this particular moment. I think the DNC did the wrong thing by stripping ALL of FL and MI delegates, but both Hillary and Obama have been playing this for political advantage; Hillary by trying to change the rules when they didn’t work in her favor, and Obama by sticking to them.
If you want to go crazy about the MI and FL situations though, you should be addressing your concerns to the DNC rules committee (which included many Hillary supporters) rather than the Obama campaign.
There are no arguments that can ever be made that would cause me or my family to vote for Obama ever, but I wonder what is going on here. Only last night the Obamamessage being parroted by everyone from the Obamatrolls on here right on up to Donna Brazile was that you guys not only didn’t need our votes, you didn’t even want them. We’re last year’s Democrats. Did you get a new memo from headquarters? Is a new, kinder, gentler Obama on the horizon who will actually pretend to like women, working class people, gays, the elderly, gun owners, people of faith, and all the other demographics that have been insulted and belittled by him and his followers?
Probably not — he’s really not that good an actor; but your comment was very informative. I did not realize the DNC was a separate entity from the Obama campaign. Interesting. Do Howard and Donna know that or do they just not care?
That “foot” you speak of is really a world away.
No comparison. If you can vote for him then you are as indifferent and evil as he is.
He is an immoral person. Period
Senator Obama,while a State Senator, gave Rezko letters of recommendation so Rezko could acquire loans from the the state and purchase Thirty low income housing tenements. Eleven of those were in his district.
Obama has stated he did not know that they were with out heat and running water for 6 weeks in a Chicago winter. If you believe this he was ignorance of this it shows he is indifferent to the suffering of people he took an oath to represent. That is immoral.
Obama, based on the facts surrounding his association with Rezko, in fact is lying, that he did not know. He chose to profit off the misery of others he swore an oath to serve and protect. That is immoral.
Obama’s associations and lack of experience in todays world, being told it doesn’t matter.
His Overt efforts to aggravate the racial divide for political gain.
His relationship with Auchi, Ayers,Wright,Rezko.
His ill gotten “Mansion”
No Plan and loves to plagiarize others.
I do not want this immoral person ANYWHERE near the “football.”
“You all will have to come to that conclusion on your own, or not.”
NOT!
Non-negotiable! Firm!
Now run along!
This is too funny. An Obamabot attempting to lecture us about decency and respect.
I wish I was around to respond when they said that. Whew…. I also wish I could have witnessed how you responded.
i have been CALLED ALL THOSE NAMES AND A RACIST.. but it does not mean i would send that on to others or that i would call others those names..to get my point across..
There is an EXCELLENT article on race in this election on savagepolitics.com. A MUST read.
Maybe because my mind doesn’t go therre … but I always thought the spade reference was a bridge thing, the card game. If you ever played it, you’d get that but I could be wrong.
Well, me too, but several (online) Obama supporters have told me that they are AA and that is a racial slur, so I take them at their word.
I’m a minority also, so I am more aware of racial slurs against my group that might go unnoticed by an outsider.
It is both. “Spade” has been a negative term for black people for years.
It isn’t meant to offend black people. If it does there isn’t anything I can do about it. And I ain’t going to curb my language or allow it to be shaped by anyone else. Hell, many blacks believed that Hillary was being racist by saying that LBJ was responsible for signing the Civil Rights Act.
I know what I mean and thats good enough for me.
I am with you on this, Pagan. We can’t let the beauty of the English language undermined by some ignorant people.
Amen. THe list of words is getting far too long.
This phrase goes back to Greek text at least as early as 300BC and doesn’t have racist origins. John Knox introduced it into English when translating a Latin text by Erasmus. “I have learned to call wickedness by its own terms: A fig is a fig and a spade a spade.”
The origin of the word is irrelevant. Having an article about Obama entitled calling a spade a spade is just short of saying “I call a n—– a n—–.”
Seriously, supporting Hillary and bashing Obama is fine, but there has to be some limits for civility.
I’d expect you to be up in arms if I called Hillary Clinton a “ho” (which I haven’t) and tried to tell you that its a term for a gardening implement.
Even if you think your opposing candidate has no class, you should retain some.
Like I said, if I could be called a c*nt, I couldn’t care less about these touchy feeling things that don’t even have any meaning other than an opportunity for an Obamazoind to yell RACIST!…again. I find sexism offensive too, but they don’t seem to care. So screw it. All bets are off when you can call me the most base words I have ever heard in my life.
Iron my shirt for all I Care.
Just as I predicted:
Frivlous and deceitful playing of the race card would lead to exactly this.
AAs should expect this and much more.
I’m sure they’d prefer if you just stopped calling them spades and it wouldn’t be an issue.
Jason, you’re free to leave. That’s the beauty of the internet. We don’t go to Daily Kos or Huffington Post because we find them offensive in the extreme.
Truth be told, you’re always going to be offended by something. The freedom of speech thing has some bugs in it, but we’re still working the bugs out. Give us a couple more hundred years and people who aren’t quite so inclined to whine about issues that aren’t issues.
Of course I’m free to leave. But I am also free to expose the hypocrisy thats going on here and to try to be reasonable. Thats the actual beauty of the internet.
Freedom of speech isn’t the issue. I know this is hard for your small mind but freedom of speech involves the government censoring speech. Not the case here.
I am asking you, one free citizen to another, to not casually throw around racial slurs and to think about how you would react if someone was maligning Clinton with misogynistic slurs. I think you would be quite up in arms about it.
You’re too late with worrying about slamming Hillary. First off, come the end of the day, she’s heard it all. She’s not the issue. She doesn’t make herself the issue. She spoke up for Chelsea and she understands that to tolerate sexist hate speech puts all women in danger.
If you want to parse innocent phrases that have been in use since 300 BC (roughly 2200 years BO or before Obama), you enjoy that ride. I for one am simply not going to live in fear of uttering harmless sentences that someone — anyone — can decide are racist in tone. I don’t hang out on hip hop sites and I am not going to bother myself with the nonsense that apparently is essential to be so totally P fucking C that any color is going to be left IN America. You have your fun with driving the remaining white voters further and further and further from your candidate. That’s a terrific plan …. Drive them further and further and right into John McCain’s waiting camp. Great idea.
You are not smart enough to expose “hypocritical arguments” esp ones that don’t exist ( your say so isnt enough, because you don’t have the intelligence to understand what you’re arguing), so again you’ve descended into defending a lie, and you don’t’ understand the physics and compunctions behind that premise, because, again, you’re not smart enough.
And that’s not a lie, so it can shown.
All I see is a wannabe struggling for some validation, who looks like a fool, way way out of his league.
You might try Cheney though he likes them dumb.
Makes him feel smart.
And you just telling people they aren’t smart enough to understand something without having anything to back that up doesn’t make it true either.
Which lie am i defending? The one where calling a black man a spade is not racist?
The hypocrisy here is simple to expose. You all go on and on about how Hillary is the victim of misogyny and then do the exact same shit to Michelle Obama.
You are the one who isn’t smart enough to see it.
Actually Jason, there’s a little more involved than just government-censored speech. Perhaps since your candidate is a Constitutional Law professor, er, lecturer, he might enlighten you. Or maybe not.
If you are so offended by language that might be interpreted as racist or sexist, it might be appropriate for you to favor the pro-Obama sites with your wisdom. It is my understanding that they don’t pussy-foot (oops, hope that didn’t offend you) around with words that MIGHT be taken the wrong way — they use the ones that leave no doubt, well, only about women or the elderly, of course. Counseling your Obamabot associates in this way is called casting the mote out of your own eye or sweeping around your own back door, or many might recognize it as the clean hands doctrine; but since you are, at the end of the day, still an Obamabot, no matter how “concerned” you try to act, you are probably unfamiliar with those concepts.
You don’t really know how the first amendment works, do you?
“But I am also free to expose the hypocrisy thats going on here and to try to be reasonable. Thats the actual beauty of the internet.”
Who taught you that?
The Hypocrisy Guru?
The real beauty of the Internet is I can make you disa-fucking-ppear with one click!
Ciao!
Hmm. Still here. Weird.
what????? since when in the 21st century is a spade considered a racial slur….i would guess jason that you are….mmmmm i don’t what to offend…not black….you know what;s offensive….a democrat that has no problem not counting the votes that were cast by over a million people in the state of Michigan and Florida. and before you say it…Florida and Michigan broke the rules….BLa BLA Bla….at one time this country alowed slavery….until the some brave people rose up and said slavery is bad….at one time women did not have the right to vote…until some brave people rose up and said women not voting is bad……you want outrage then go demand your candidate seat the delegate of Michigan and Florida or have a revotes….Jason are brave?
Please explain, then, why Obama’s campaign used the word “spear” and that’s okay. (The context was in reference to Obama finally accepting Fox’s invitation.)
And I’m a Garlic Nose.
…shrug.
Wow! I am totally impressed!
To call a spade a spade is a regular English idiom. This kind of self-censorship just because we have a black candidate is bad for elevated discourse.
No, it isn’t. Its very easy to have elevated discourse without using racial slurs.
To call a spade a spade is an English idiom, but there are many other clever titles you can use for an article like this that aren’t also racial slurs.
Its classless.
I did not grow up here (meaning the US). So I don’t know how or why it is a racial slur (I don’t care to know because I want to move past this divide). I stand by my assertion that we can’t restrict use of language over some unknown potential. It is a perfectly good idiom. Unless we walk away from crying race every time ascribing false motive to the writer/speaker, we can’t have a meaningful dialogue. Post-racial is what you do and what you think without giving it a second thought walking on egg shells.
I myself am Indian American and I never think of myself as black or white — I have a healthy respect for all good things I bring into this American culture from my own and have an eagerness to learn the good from this new culture. This race related stuff and how it has been used by Obama and his supporters in this election is mind boggling to me. If that is their political expedience, how can they help others to move past racial tensions, especially when they cry race about things perfectly ordinary.
Dude, I’m not even going to start trying to pull out derogatory slurs for Indians but pick one of the nastier ones and throw that in the title of an article about you.
Get it now?
You can restrict your words if those words are offensive without changing the level of discourse.
Why be insulting if that doesn’t help get your point across? Unless your intent was to be insulting.
Its simply asking people to think about what they say before they say it and knowing the impact of those words.
I actually don’t know any derogatory Indian slur that is also an English idiom. If I came across one, I would give the writer the benefit of the doubt before ascribing false motive and crying fowl.
The real problem is people’s knee jerk reaction to words. You get hung up on words, and can’t get to the meaning.
You haven’t even discussed the content and intent of this posting, because you’re worried about someone else potentially being offended by its title?
Pagan is making a point. Maybe you’ve missed it. Barack and his surrogates and especially his more naive supporters have used more than implicit comments (hoodwinked), or gestures (The Scratch™, The Brush™, The Twist™) but actual words (TWP crossin’ the street).
Maybe if you stopped and understood why you can’t get past The Spade™, you’d better understand our ANGER at having certain words used in our direction.
This isn’t afternoon tea, it’s politics. If you want to solve the problem, got to the obamablogs and get them and their dear leaders to stop using race as a wedge.
You are correct, I haven’t gotten to the substance - I started off simply trying to address the racist title.
The substance is easy - in one instance you have Rush Limbaugh trying to get people to come out and vote for Hillary because he thinks she will be easier to beat.
In the other instance you have a candidate reaching out to the other party and to independents to try to bring them into the group by showing them that if they support him, he will help them as well as the people already in the group (Dems).
Then it concludes that black people are racist because they vote for the black candidate. Yawn. When have minorities ever failed to support their candidate?
Lets turn this around for a second though - many people on here keep saying women should support Hillary because she’s a woman. Why is that different?
And the 40% of women who voted for Obama in Indiana yesterday? Voting against their interests. Uh huh. Same shit.
See you have to say racist title.
I’m saying. Read the whole thing first.
Don’t judge a book by its cover.
ok, racist title.
The rest of it is not racist.
I’m not a women and I voted for Clinton, because I think she’s the better candidate.
But it was Obama’s clearly anti-white campaign that made me look into his credentials.
So right now, he’s not the best candidate, in my opinion. If he’d run a cleaner campaign and not pulled the race card (see SC mem