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	<title>Comments on: Hillary&#8217;s Path to Victory</title>
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		<title>By: Kendall Johnson</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/08/hillarys-path-to-victory/#comment-239938</link>
		<dc:creator>Kendall Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 04:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Older White Woman,

Dream on!!!!!!!He might secure the nomination, but he will lose the general election. He will lose because he cannot win the swing states where the people are. All credible analysis  and march up polling shows that Obama will lose the general election. Furthermore, the more people learn about him, the more independent support he loses to McCain. More importantly, Obama will have to win too many small red and swing states in order to make up for losing Ohio and Florida to McCain. Pennsylvania and Michigan are a toss-up right now, which is also a problem for Barry. Pannsylvania has 21 electoral delegates and MI has 17. He cannot afford to lose either of these states. Currently, he isn't polling well against McCain in Pa. or MI. Refusing to hold revotes in MI so the peoples vote could count during the primary, will hurt him there in November.   

Ohio and Florida have a combined total of 47 electoral delegates. Berry's states possibly in play are Virginia w/15, Colorado w/9, Minn.w/10, Iowa w/7, WI w/7, Navada w/5, NM w/4. Forget the south, they're staying red. Berry would have to flip 6 to 10 of these smaller red and purple states in order to equal the electoral value of Ohio and Florida. The risks of having to win so many more states in order to secure the presidency, puts Berry at an imperical disadvantage. The more risk, the greater the probability for failure. The more states, the more risk.

Furthuremore, some of these states have been solid red states for a long time, like Colorado, Navada, Va., etc.. It's very unlikely that he will be able to win all these states. No other democrat in history has been able to!!!!!!!Bottom Line is that a democrat can't win without the rust belt, and Berry isn't connecting well with the working class white folks in Ohio, Penn., and MI!!!! 

Berry will prove to be a ball and chain on the ticket. Get ready for 4 more years of McSame!!!!!!!!ITS SO SAD THAT THE REPUBLICAN CORPORATE OWNED MEDIA SHOVED THIS GUY DOWN OUR THROATS KNOWING FULL WELL THAT HE WON'T BE ABLE TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. ITS EVEN MORE SAD THAT THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP AND VOTERS FOOLISHLY FELL FOR IT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Older White Woman,</p>
<p>Dream on!!!!!!!He might secure the nomination, but he will lose the general election. He will lose because he cannot win the swing states where the people are. All credible analysis  and march up polling shows that Obama will lose the general election. Furthermore, the more people learn about him, the more independent support he loses to McCain. More importantly, Obama will have to win too many small red and swing states in order to make up for losing Ohio and Florida to McCain. Pennsylvania and Michigan are a toss-up right now, which is also a problem for Barry. Pannsylvania has 21 electoral delegates and MI has 17. He cannot afford to lose either of these states. Currently, he isn&#8217;t polling well against McCain in Pa. or MI. Refusing to hold revotes in MI so the peoples vote could count during the primary, will hurt him there in November.   </p>
<p>Ohio and Florida have a combined total of 47 electoral delegates. Berry&#8217;s states possibly in play are Virginia w/15, Colorado w/9, Minn.w/10, Iowa w/7, WI w/7, Navada w/5, NM w/4. Forget the south, they&#8217;re staying red. Berry would have to flip 6 to 10 of these smaller red and purple states in order to equal the electoral value of Ohio and Florida. The risks of having to win so many more states in order to secure the presidency, puts Berry at an imperical disadvantage. The more risk, the greater the probability for failure. The more states, the more risk.</p>
<p>Furthuremore, some of these states have been solid red states for a long time, like Colorado, Navada, Va., etc.. It&#8217;s very unlikely that he will be able to win all these states. No other democrat in history has been able to!!!!!!!Bottom Line is that a democrat can&#8217;t win without the rust belt, and Berry isn&#8217;t connecting well with the working class white folks in Ohio, Penn., and MI!!!! </p>
<p>Berry will prove to be a ball and chain on the ticket. Get ready for 4 more years of McSame!!!!!!!!ITS SO SAD THAT THE REPUBLICAN CORPORATE OWNED MEDIA SHOVED THIS GUY DOWN OUR THROATS KNOWING FULL WELL THAT HE WON&#8217;T BE ABLE TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION. ITS EVEN MORE SAD THAT THE DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP AND VOTERS FOOLISHLY FELL FOR IT.</p>
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		<title>By: Older White Woman</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/08/hillarys-path-to-victory/#comment-239089</link>
		<dc:creator>Older White Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 19:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/08/hillarys-path-to-victory/#comment-239089</guid>
		<description>Thank you Senator Clinton for a spirited campaign.   You have been a valuable contributor to the Democratic Party.  

We've experienced a record registration of Democrats and participation from a wider variety of participants in US history.  You helped us determine who is soon to be declared the Democrat nominee. I also wish to thank you for your commitment to the Democratic Party and for your support to the Democratic nominee in his race with Senator McCain.   We will elect him by a landslide in November.

An older White Woman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Senator Clinton for a spirited campaign.   You have been a valuable contributor to the Democratic Party.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve experienced a record registration of Democrats and participation from a wider variety of participants in US history.  You helped us determine who is soon to be declared the Democrat nominee. I also wish to thank you for your commitment to the Democratic Party and for your support to the Democratic nominee in his race with Senator McCain.   We will elect him by a landslide in November.</p>
<p>An older White Woman</p>
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		<title>By: UncleSam</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/08/hillarys-path-to-victory/#comment-238821</link>
		<dc:creator>UncleSam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 17:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/08/hillarys-path-to-victory/#comment-238821</guid>
		<description>I dont think you get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think you get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/08/hillarys-path-to-victory/#comment-238812</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 17:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/08/hillarys-path-to-victory/#comment-238812</guid>
		<description>Vern,

I couldn't have said it better myself. Obama is going down in November. It won't take many of us in key battle ground states to flip the election to Mc Cain. I believe the election will be won or loss in the 65+ age demographic. As a volunteer for the HRC camp... the one comment I heard over and over from seniors was that Obama was scarry.
They want surety at this stage in their lives and not a non substantive message  of change.

What about Hillary running as an independent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vern,</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself. Obama is going down in November. It won&#8217;t take many of us in key battle ground states to flip the election to Mc Cain. I believe the election will be won or loss in the 65+ age demographic. As a volunteer for the HRC camp&#8230; the one comment I heard over and over from seniors was that Obama was scarry.<br />
They want surety at this stage in their lives and not a non substantive message  of change.</p>
<p>What about Hillary running as an independent?</p>
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		<title>By: LSekhmet</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/08/hillarys-path-to-victory/#comment-237724</link>
		<dc:creator>LSekhmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 00:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am obviously a supporter of Hillary Clinton, Lou, but hadn't heard about that.

Can't those votes be thrown out, if that's what really happened?  (Note that I heard about the two counties where votes for Obama were "accidentally" counted twice.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am obviously a supporter of Hillary Clinton, Lou, but hadn&#8217;t heard about that.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t those votes be thrown out, if that&#8217;s what really happened?  (Note that I heard about the two counties where votes for Obama were &#8220;accidentally&#8221; counted twice.)</p>
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		<title>By: LSekhmet</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/08/hillarys-path-to-victory/#comment-237715</link>
		<dc:creator>LSekhmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 00:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Respectfully, you are flat wrong.

Senator Clinton only agreed not to campaign in Florida or Michigan -- and she didn't, while Barack Obama had ads appearing in Florida and robocalls going into Michigan urging people to "vote uncommitted."  (That's why "uncommitted" got 40% of the vote in Michigan.)

I am for Barack Obama getting the 40% uncommitted that he robocalled for; Senator Clinton should get her votes.

In Florida, where there's a Republican Legislature and a Republican Governor, and both of those overruled the state's Democratic Party (which didn't want an earlier primary) -- there's no excuse as to why the DNC hasn't counted all of those votes.

Votes trump rules.

Our country was founded because people disliked "taxation without representation."

Well, at this point, we have voters who have been ticked off because they've been totally disenfranchised.  They went out in record numbers in Michigan and again in Florida and deserve to be counted; it's not the voters fault for any perceived shortcomings in the Democratic Party.  They did their part.

But the DNC has not done theirs.  They have exacerbated the voter's pain, and at this point, if Hillary Clinton -- the able, experienced, well-qualified candidate who has a large majority of the Admirals and four star Generals in her camp for a good reason -- isn't the candidate, Michigan probably won't go for Obama and Florida never will.  And we need both of those states.

I also believe that Obama will lose in Ohio and Pennsylvania in November.  (Especially Pennsylvania.)

The DNC would rather tick off its very real base of women voters, older voters, working class voters, Hispanic voters, middle-class voters and centrist voters by deciding this election based on twelve caucus states -- some of which will never go for the Democrat in the fall no matter how awful the Republican candidate is.  (And make no mistake -- McCain, as a moderate Republican, is not awful.  he's probably the best Republican candidate the Republicans have put up in the past twenty years.)  I don't want Utah or Idaho deciding this race for Barack Obama, a man I believe is unelectable in the general election.  Flat unelectable.

And for those of you who seem to think he's a saint -- well, we need a President, not a saint.  (And I have news; I doubt Barack Obama is a saint.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respectfully, you are flat wrong.</p>
<p>Senator Clinton only agreed not to campaign in Florida or Michigan &#8212; and she didn&#8217;t, while Barack Obama had ads appearing in Florida and robocalls going into Michigan urging people to &#8220;vote uncommitted.&#8221;  (That&#8217;s why &#8220;uncommitted&#8221; got 40% of the vote in Michigan.)</p>
<p>I am for Barack Obama getting the 40% uncommitted that he robocalled for; Senator Clinton should get her votes.</p>
<p>In Florida, where there&#8217;s a Republican Legislature and a Republican Governor, and both of those overruled the state&#8217;s Democratic Party (which didn&#8217;t want an earlier primary) &#8212; there&#8217;s no excuse as to why the DNC hasn&#8217;t counted all of those votes.</p>
<p>Votes trump rules.</p>
<p>Our country was founded because people disliked &#8220;taxation without representation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, at this point, we have voters who have been ticked off because they&#8217;ve been totally disenfranchised.  They went out in record numbers in Michigan and again in Florida and deserve to be counted; it&#8217;s not the voters fault for any perceived shortcomings in the Democratic Party.  They did their part.</p>
<p>But the DNC has not done theirs.  They have exacerbated the voter&#8217;s pain, and at this point, if Hillary Clinton &#8212; the able, experienced, well-qualified candidate who has a large majority of the Admirals and four star Generals in her camp for a good reason &#8212; isn&#8217;t the candidate, Michigan probably won&#8217;t go for Obama and Florida never will.  And we need both of those states.</p>
<p>I also believe that Obama will lose in Ohio and Pennsylvania in November.  (Especially Pennsylvania.)</p>
<p>The DNC would rather tick off its very real base of women voters, older voters, working class voters, Hispanic voters, middle-class voters and centrist voters by deciding this election based on twelve caucus states &#8212; some of which will never go for the Democrat in the fall no matter how awful the Republican candidate is.  (And make no mistake &#8212; McCain, as a moderate Republican, is not awful.  he&#8217;s probably the best Republican candidate the Republicans have put up in the past twenty years.)  I don&#8217;t want Utah or Idaho deciding this race for Barack Obama, a man I believe is unelectable in the general election.  Flat unelectable.</p>
<p>And for those of you who seem to think he&#8217;s a saint &#8212; well, we need a President, not a saint.  (And I have news; I doubt Barack Obama is a saint.)</p>
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		<title>By: LSekhmet</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/08/hillarys-path-to-victory/#comment-237685</link>
		<dc:creator>LSekhmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 23:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn't agree more; here's how I voted, to the best of my remembered knowledge:

1984 (my first Presidential election):

Primary: Jesse Jackson
General Election: Walter Mondale (I liked Mondale tepidly, but knew he was a good man and approved of him; if he had gotten in there, he'd have made a fine President)

1988

Primary: Jesse Jackson
General Election: the Swift-boated Michael Dukakis (I liked Dukakis a bit better than Mondale and felt sorry for him; like Mrs. Clinton, Dukakis was treated _horribly_ by the media.  Shamefully bad.)

1992

I was very upset at Dan Rostenkowski of Illinois, and refused to vote for any Democrat that year.  I voted for Ross Perot; cannot remember whom I voted for in the primary.

1996

I was still mad at most of the Congressional Democrats for putting up with Rostenkowski; I voted for Perot again

2000

Primary: Al Gore
General: Al Gore (I really liked Gore)

2004

Primary: Howard Dean (although I really liked John Edwards and supported him after the primary, after Dean was out)
General:  John Kerry (though I didn't care for him, because he had Edwards as his VP candidate)

2008:

Primary:  Hillary Clinton!
General -- I will only vote for Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Party's nominee!

Get it together, DNC!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more; here&#8217;s how I voted, to the best of my remembered knowledge:</p>
<p>1984 (my first Presidential election):</p>
<p>Primary: Jesse Jackson<br />
General Election: Walter Mondale (I liked Mondale tepidly, but knew he was a good man and approved of him; if he had gotten in there, he&#8217;d have made a fine President)</p>
<p>1988</p>
<p>Primary: Jesse Jackson<br />
General Election: the Swift-boated Michael Dukakis (I liked Dukakis a bit better than Mondale and felt sorry for him; like Mrs. Clinton, Dukakis was treated _horribly_ by the media.  Shamefully bad.)</p>
<p>1992</p>
<p>I was very upset at Dan Rostenkowski of Illinois, and refused to vote for any Democrat that year.  I voted for Ross Perot; cannot remember whom I voted for in the primary.</p>
<p>1996</p>
<p>I was still mad at most of the Congressional Democrats for putting up with Rostenkowski; I voted for Perot again</p>
<p>2000</p>
<p>Primary: Al Gore<br />
General: Al Gore (I really liked Gore)</p>
<p>2004</p>
<p>Primary: Howard Dean (although I really liked John Edwards and supported him after the primary, after Dean was out)<br />
General:  John Kerry (though I didn&#8217;t care for him, because he had Edwards as his VP candidate)</p>
<p>2008:</p>
<p>Primary:  Hillary Clinton!<br />
General &#8212; I will only vote for Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Party&#8217;s nominee!</p>
<p>Get it together, DNC!</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/08/hillarys-path-to-victory/#comment-237556</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 22:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The focus is to win the November election against John M. Any meaningful argument can be made to support a candidate's case to win these states based on their record in these states and proven voting record of these states. This is the argument that any super delegate for the party would care to  weigh against. 

Obama - 
  Advantages:Smart, plans well. 
  Disadvantages: Not a lot of experience and  visibility on what he has accomplished - so far.  The press has really done us public a disfavour in not providing us the right information. 
  Troubling: Appears to treat the primaries like a class exam.

Clinton -
  Advantages: Learnt Knowledge of US and world leadership; Learns quickly; adoptable and pursues goals with a zeal like no other. Appears to be have well prepared health care reform plan. 

  DisAdvantages: Some of her Populist policies appear to pander to people. 
  Troubling: None.

If I were to handle this hiring for the top US job, I would want to know more about Obama's past accomplishments. It must have brought significant benefits  to the people that depended on him.

The same goes for Mrs. Clinton and would ask some tough questions about some of her policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The focus is to win the November election against John M. Any meaningful argument can be made to support a candidate&#8217;s case to win these states based on their record in these states and proven voting record of these states. This is the argument that any super delegate for the party would care to  weigh against. </p>
<p>Obama -<br />
  Advantages:Smart, plans well.<br />
  Disadvantages: Not a lot of experience and  visibility on what he has accomplished - so far.  The press has really done us public a disfavour in not providing us the right information.<br />
  Troubling: Appears to treat the primaries like a class exam.</p>
<p>Clinton -<br />
  Advantages: Learnt Knowledge of US and world leadership; Learns quickly; adoptable and pursues goals with a zeal like no other. Appears to be have well prepared health care reform plan. </p>
<p>  DisAdvantages: Some of her Populist policies appear to pander to people.<br />
  Troubling: None.</p>
<p>If I were to handle this hiring for the top US job, I would want to know more about Obama&#8217;s past accomplishments. It must have brought significant benefits  to the people that depended on him.</p>
<p>The same goes for Mrs. Clinton and would ask some tough questions about some of her policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Folkwolf101</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/08/hillarys-path-to-victory/#comment-235243</link>
		<dc:creator>Folkwolf101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So very true of you to say, Sharon. Thank you for speaking it from the center. Call it "tough love," that we will sit at home rather than vote for an unqualified PC candidate who has been stuffed down our throats. 

For an insightful article that addresses much of your concerns, check this out: 

http://savagepolitics.com/?p=336

Also, for entertainment, here's a couple of good youtube video sermons from a preacher who is not fooled by Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Qr_-hxZU8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysar571oxUA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So very true of you to say, Sharon. Thank you for speaking it from the center. Call it &#8220;tough love,&#8221; that we will sit at home rather than vote for an unqualified PC candidate who has been stuffed down our throats. </p>
<p>For an insightful article that addresses much of your concerns, check this out: </p>
<p><a href="http://savagepolitics.com/?p=336" rel="nofollow">http://savagepolitics.com/?p=336</a></p>
<p>Also, for entertainment, here&#8217;s a couple of good youtube video sermons from a preacher who is not fooled by Obama:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Qr_-hxZU8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Qr_-hxZU8</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysar571oxUA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysar571oxUA</a></p>
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		<title>By: Denise</title>
		<link>http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/08/hillarys-path-to-victory/#comment-235180</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny Music,
His ability to speak? Parrots do that, and saying, "UH' repeatedly will help you fail any 101 speech class.
His judgment, are you kidding? He can't tell an American from a terrorist or wait, maybe he can.
Honest? Was he honest about Rev Wright, Tony Rezco, not taking lobbyist money, etc., etc.
Use your critical thinking skills, you are being taken for a ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny Music,<br />
His ability to speak? Parrots do that, and saying, &#8220;UH&#8217; repeatedly will help you fail any 101 speech class.<br />
His judgment, are you kidding? He can&#8217;t tell an American from a terrorist or wait, maybe he can.<br />
Honest? Was he honest about Rev Wright, Tony Rezco, not taking lobbyist money, etc., etc.<br />
Use your critical thinking skills, you are being taken for a ride.</p>
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