Hillary’s Path to Victory
By SusanUnPC on May 8, 2008 at 1:58 AM in Hillary Clinton
Wolfson is quite the guy. I love the fight in him, not to mention his smarts and his knowledge.
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Thanks to V for finding this remarkable video.
Current ArticleBy SusanUnPC on May 8, 2008 at 1:58 AM in Hillary Clinton
Wolfson is quite the guy. I love the fight in him, not to mention his smarts and his knowledge.
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Thanks to V for finding this remarkable video.
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So, why shouldn’t we have just determined ahead of time which were the most important states to win, and just held primaries in the ones which really count like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida? Forget about Missouri, Wisconsin, Virginia… as well as any state that’s too black, or too urban, or too Republican. Save the expense and time. The primary season could have been much shorter, and Hillary would be the nominee. It’s so easy! Except for the fact that the Democratic party MIGHT want to be DEMOCRATIC….
That’s all Hillary is asking for: ‘Let my people vote’ and ‘Count every Vote’. Nothing ‘Democratic’ about not counting the MI and FL votes.
Problem is Howard and Donna have swallowed the Kool-Aid. They really believe Barry can win.
But in the GE a timid, fumbling, ill-prepared Barry will take three strikes:
Wright, Rezko and Auchi and whiff them all.
And frankly if President McSame is what we have to put up with to get rid of…
Barry and Michelle..
Pelosi….
Hoyer….
Reid…
Schumer….
Brazile….
Dean…
and the rest of these Dead Loser Caucus scum….
I’ll make that trade.
Every day and twice on Sunday pal.
me too. mccain is what he is. which is far inferior to hillary and far superior to obama.
obamanominee=empty bus. i’m off it for good. he can throw whoever under it. the rest of us can jump. and he and brazile can —- well, you know.
The conservative in me is overjoyed, but the moderate in me isn’t — because without a strong checks and balances in government, we’ll get more Bush in the future.
Wish the Dems would have the backbone to march up to the convention and demand Hillary to be the nominee, for not only to win the presidency; to ensure the Democrat party is a viable alternative to the GOP.
This country wouldn’t settle for a Far-Left agenda, anymore than a Far-Right one. We need balance, not more partisanship.
it’s late, chrisxp, so forgive my confusion, as i’m not sure how you’ve interpreted my comments. just to clarify, i’m 100% for hillary. if not hillary, 100% for mccain, but balanced by a dem congress. the one thing i’m 100% against is obama.
feel free to disagree, just wanted to make sure we’re clear on what we’re agreeing/disagreeing about.
I was stating my belief that a strong 2 party system is what’s needed. If reformers flee, Dems will be but full of Anarchists in the end.
This election cycle can do as much harm to the Democrat party as the Reagan Democrats did to Carter in 1980 (no thanks to Teddy’s inflated ego).
The point is, stay in and reform the party from within. Make it a party that represents the people, not pander to them from Ivy Towers, let alone as some parent who thinks what’s best for the “children” (like eating Arugula salads in winter).
Dems need to really get back to it’s roots, not be some post-modern society so disconnect from it’s voter base, to even care that they’re leaving the party.
Hillary shows that it’s time for such a change, too.
chrisxp, appreciate the positive vibe. but i think the only way we can save the dem party is for it to lose this fall. those who have hijacked it for their own purposes must lose. if they win, they’ll just continue to do what they’ve done. and we all lose.
of course, if hillary pulls it out, i stay and fight. her pulling it out would mean there is actually hope for the party to be what it should be.
if it’s obama, i’m out. his nomination would mean that reform from within won’t work, at least until he loses. then i’ll come back, if dean, pelosi, brazile, kerry, etc., lose their hold on the party, which they certainly should.
I agree. Obama should lose in the fall and bring the party back to center. Hillary is doing that with her campaign and she is so obviously the better choice and strongest candidate. I will not vote for Obama. Political correctness is going to be the death of this party.
It’s such a relief to find fellow Hillary Clinton supporters that don’t buy into the whole Obama-hype or media-hype. He should become a preacher, since he’s good at giving sermons, but he needs to stay out of the presidential race for good. Too many skeletons in his closet, some of them with meat still on the bones. Let’s keep working for Hillary–it’s not over yet, not like these BO supporters and Repub’s want it to be.
Spread the word–Hillary ‘08. The BEST CHOICE with MOST EXPERIENCE by far!
So very true of you to say, Sharon. Thank you for speaking it from the center. Call it “tough love,” that we will sit at home rather than vote for an unqualified PC candidate who has been stuffed down our throats.
For an insightful article that addresses much of your concerns, check this out:
http://savagepolitics.com/?p=336
Also, for entertainment, here’s a couple of good youtube video sermons from a preacher who is not fooled by Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Qr_-hxZU8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysar571oxUA
You’re right. If Obama’s the nominee, I know he’s going to get wiped out in Nov. However, I see this as a positive. It’s a chance to throw out all the dead weight. Get back to our Truman roots.
IF Dems will finally oust the DNC deadweight that continues to push the wrong candidates. Just look at the leadership — none who are connected to anything but their elitist network. They lose the South, as there’s no Southern representation — even the Clintons moved to NY. With such a stragedy, they’ll continue to lose presidential elections, because the nominee can’t just disregard a whole section of the country.
Folks will see this being true in the GE, where the red states will remain red, and the blue blue, leaving yet another squeaker with no mandate.
No mandate = gridlock.
You guys sound just like a bunch of Nader supporters in 2000. “Hope Gore loses, then the Democratic party might see things our way…”.
That worked out REALLY well, didn’t it?
Wonder why the Democratic party keeps nominating the weakest candidate? They need to start seeing it our way.
“…leaving yet another squeaker with no mandate.”
If Obama is the nominee this election will not be a squeaker. It will be a blowout by McCain. It will be worse than the McGovern fiasco.
>>> This election cycle can do as much harm to the Democrat party as the Reagan Democrats did to Carter in 1980 (no thanks to Teddy’s inflated ego).
Ah, a person with a Memory!
Thanks for bringing this up; I usually feel compelled to, but I’ve gotten nasty about it of late.
I will not vote for Obama.The democrats like Donna Brazile think that they don’t need the working class people to win the White House. They think that all they need to win are Blacks,young people,and far left liberals. I guess they have been drinking too much Kool-Aid.Senator McGovern of all people telling Hillary to get out of the race.She and Bill campaigned for him, what a traiter! By the way, he lost 49 states in the general election but he did win the nomination so what does that tell you!!
Okay all you Hillary supporters. Let’s start our own “Project Chaos.” Boycott Obama in the November election. McCain wins. Hillary returns in 2012. She wins.
Right on, Sharon. Here are some important things we can do:
Go to: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pledge-to-vote-against-obama-in-the-general-election
& sign the pledge not to vote for Obama in the general election.
Pass around this petition web site in every blog you visit.
Send money to Sen. Clinton: http://www.hillaryclinton.com
She can’t compete to win without cash!
If Hillary is denied the nomination, vote for McCain in the GE, not one of the fringe candidates who have no chance.
Hillary can pull a ‘Joe Lieberman’ and run as an independent. It worked for him and it will work for her.
Interesting comment.. I like it…That would at least give us an alternatative option to Mc Cain and Obama. Wouldn’t that be great because between Obama and McCain it is a sad day for the USA that they are the best this country can come up with at this time in our history.
Stand for Hillary. Please do not give up!
We need Hillary now.
Forget November.
Hey, There’s Ron Paul! All of us Hillary supporters who don’t want Obama…and there is quite a few of us… why not vote for Ron Paul.
So, is it all Republicans here? My 1st time to this blog and I am aghast at you horrible Hillary supporters! You may deserve that horrid old man to be your president, but us true Democrats, this country and our children/grandchildren deserve the honesty and leadership of Barack Obama, who will be our next president!
I am proud today to send in my Oregon ballot, my mother’s, daughter’s, and granddaughter’s, all voting to send Obama over the top to the nomination! And yes, we are all white, working class, 2 of us well over 50…but we are also educated which is why we back Obama to turn this country around!
Oh and by the way, my mother, daughter and I are also from Arkansas and we know the sad, tawdry truth about the Clintons.
Count me in.
count me in too. There is a petition on Taylor Marsh.com it’s called the I wont’t vote for Obama sign it everybody.
I still cannot get over the Democratic Party leaders basically telling large numbers of their own members that the party care about their votes. These fools are perfectly willing to alienate Dems from Michigan, Florida, white women, older people, etc. Obama as much as said we older Dems are irrelevant, passe, when he recently said the choice was between the past and the future.
The party’s attitude is that you will have to vote for us because you won’t want McCain so we can afford to dismiss you. The only groups they are not willing to do this to are the young and African Americans. And they blame Clinton for being divisive?
Young - because without new blood, the Democrat party will become the Whig party.
Blacks - because without their votes, the Democrt party will become the Whig party.
More intelligent voters tend to not be party affiliated, as they vote on issues and careless about party politics (heck, they see it enough in the office anyway). The more folks start embracing that idea that issues are more important that giving Dean et al a salary to lose yet again, the more these old parties will learn that even a 2% voting block is important.
Make them earn your vote.
xp you think that pushing out the lifelong Democrats to make room for the young little punks that are apparent, is good for the party? You think that snobby elites who have been not voting on issues, is more important than the masses is good for the Democratic party? LOL your to ignorant for your own good.
Obama said it was time to turn the page. When he said that, I said, well I am not ready to turn the page for you and your corrupt friends and anti-democratic ilk. And I don’t give a flying f**k what color you are. I know a fraud when I see and hear one. A snake oil salesman would be a welcome sight compared to the likes of Obama. And one more thing, that GOTV is about the most juvinile frat boy exercise in embarassing drivel I ever heard. Shame on the fools who are involved in that crap.
i know the dnc is punishing michigan and florida b/c their leaders knowingly broke the rules. it seems sad that the voters voices cannot be heard, but every dem candidate approved of this situation. i am wondering if hillary would be pushing so much for the votes to count if the candidates had actually campaigned in the states and both their names were on the ballot and if she had lost. i haven’t heard her reconcile the fact that she approved of these rules but now has changed her mind. maybe it is like the iraq war where she will never admit it was a mistake on her part to agree.
Steve - she never approved of the rules. All she said, and all she signed on to, was not to campaign in either state.
Two things:
1: Obama talked to reporters after a fundraiser in Florida and ran ads that played in Florida.
2. Obama supporter, John Kerry, voted the same way Senator clinton did on the Iraq vote. Both made qualifying statements. Obama, himself, has said that has he been in the Senate at the time, he is not sure how he would have voted.
Both Hillary and BO were on the Florida ballot. Additionally, Barack did have commercials running in Florida prior to the Florida primary and they stopped immediatly after the primary vote. BO stated that the commercials were shown on CNN and they could not avoid it due to the national market. So why did CNN stop showing those commercials right after the Florida primary. It would seem to me that if it was a national market buy the commercials would of continued in Florida. So BO did campaign in Florida and when he lost he decided that Florida didn’t matter!!!! Call me silly but isn’t he a uniter???????????????????????????????
Sure, count MI, FLA, etc and Obama is STILL the clear nominee. Only people arguing against the pledged delegate/ popular vote/ state count at this point is ignoring voters.
Hey, you guys give perfectly good reasons for people to vote for Hillary. Those reasons are not nearly good enough to overrule the voting which has happened.
David: Try to get the facts straight and use your head a little. If MI and FL are added to the mix the number of delegates needed for the nomination increases. Neither candidate will have the required number of pledged delegates needed to win the nomination prior to the convention. That leaves the decision in the hands of super delegates. Contrary to Obama’s self-serving “new politics”, super delegates are not there to mirror the popular vote, or the delegate count by state or any other criteria other than to decide which candidate has the winning political base. AA’s plus elite, affluent Dems. plus young college-age adults is not a winning base. Sorry.
Yes, BernieO, I agree! Let’s show the Dem leaders who really loves this party & who has supported them through thick & thin for years–
older voters & women. That panel discussion on CNN on 5/6 NEVER mentioned these groups. How do you like that???
I really feel that if women & mature voters backed the idea of voting for McCain in Nov., they might see how important these groups are to winning.
I’m so mad at the Dem leadership at this point– ramming Obama down our throats, saying that only the latte libs & young groupies matter, I can’t see straight!!!
I voted for Gore, whom I liked, but he lost.
I voted for Kerry, whom I didn’t like.
But, I’ll be damned if I’ll vote for Obama– for so many reasons. I would gladly vote for an African American (Colin Powell, Harold Ford), but NOT Obama. I truly believe that he is an anti-American con man & plant of that fringe group of cronies in Chicago.
Please sign the pledge at:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pledge-to-vote-against-obama-in-the-general-election
I couldn’t agree more; here’s how I voted, to the best of my remembered knowledge:
1984 (my first Presidential election):
Primary: Jesse Jackson
General Election: Walter Mondale (I liked Mondale tepidly, but knew he was a good man and approved of him; if he had gotten in there, he’d have made a fine President)
1988
Primary: Jesse Jackson
General Election: the Swift-boated Michael Dukakis (I liked Dukakis a bit better than Mondale and felt sorry for him; like Mrs. Clinton, Dukakis was treated _horribly_ by the media. Shamefully bad.)
1992
I was very upset at Dan Rostenkowski of Illinois, and refused to vote for any Democrat that year. I voted for Ross Perot; cannot remember whom I voted for in the primary.
1996
I was still mad at most of the Congressional Democrats for putting up with Rostenkowski; I voted for Perot again
2000
Primary: Al Gore
General: Al Gore (I really liked Gore)
2004
Primary: Howard Dean (although I really liked John Edwards and supported him after the primary, after Dean was out)
General: John Kerry (though I didn’t care for him, because he had Edwards as his VP candidate)
2008:
Primary: Hillary Clinton!
General — I will only vote for Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Party’s nominee!
Get it together, DNC!
Hi BernieO - it was great to see you on Monday! My mind is truly boggled at the party leaders insistence of pushing this inexperienced racist on us. I think they have just been bedazzled by all the money that he’s able to raise (DNC party coffers not looking too good) and thinking he’ll give the party the same boost! HA! Fat chance - not only is he in this for himself (and MO of course) but how many millions is he raising from his terrorist buddies? Are Dean, Pelosi, Brazille so greedy that they are drooling for blood money. I’m shocked that they - not Hillary - are tearing the party apart!
The thing is CAN we be rid of that DNC gang even with a MacCain win? My ultimate nightmare is MaCain is in ….but the worse part of the nightmare is, THEY ARE STILL THERE
anyway….help!
Hey what the hell is wrong with Chuck? He’s on Hillary’s team. OUR team! Or did he jump ship and I missed the big splash?
Sure, count FLA and even MI (which is absurd, given that only one name was on the ballot - a ballot Putin would be proud of). Obama would _still_ be significantly ahead in pledged delegates, states, and popular votes. If that’s “all you’re saying” then the argument is over.
David, you are wrong, wrong, wrong. You have bought into the Obama and the MSM story hook line and sinker. Hillary’s was not the ONLY name on either the MI or FL primaries.
As certified by the MI Secretary of State and as reported by the NYT this is Michican primary results. Obama was on the ballot, but asked that his name be removed. He tried to get Kucinich and Dodd to remove their names as well. When they refused Obama ran a campaign asking his voters to vote for ‘Incommitted.’ Uncommitted received 40% of the vote.
Hillary Clinton 870,986 49.8%
Barack Obama 576,214 32.9
John Edwards 251,562 14.4
Joseph Biden 15,704 0.9
Bill Richardson 14,999 0.9
Dennis Kucinich 9,703 0.6
Chris Dodd 5,477 0.3
Mike Gravel 5,275 0.3
Again as certified by the FL Secretary of State and reported by the NYT, below is the FL primary results.
Hillary Clinton 328,309 55.2%
Uncommitted 238,168 40.1
DennisKucinich 21,715 3.7
Chris Dodd 3,845 0.6
Mike Gravel 2,361 0.4
If you want to argue your case, at least get the facts right.
I hope the tables come out straight when I post this.
You yo yo, you mixed up the Michigan and Florida results.
Why is it that Clinton supporters HAV PRUBLEMS SPELINK?
One thing you learn in snipering is to carefully mark your target, aim, and slowly pull the trigger between breaths — not jump all to sniper 2:32 ahead of time.
Get back to your Kook-Aid, chum.
Don’t you have homework to do?
Children should be seen and not heard.
Obama was on the Floida ballot and he showed commercials here!!!!!! Get the facts not the spin.
Here’s a thought about the Dead Loser Caucus: Lose them. If Hillary does not get the nomination, I think she should pull a Lieberman and become an independent and still keep running for President!
Word.
Hillary needs to take it to the vote on the floor!
You bet! They need to blow the lid off of this fraud Obama. He does not have the votes. He’s lieing.
the republicans can have the white house for 4 more years if they want as long as that piece of TRASH obama is the nominee. there is NO way he can win. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON is the ONLY chance America has to get right again. the super delegates are either to stupid to blind or to full of obama kool aid to see the republican writing on the wall: 4 more years. God bless H.R.C.,keep fighting and keep the dream alive! YES SHE WILL.
Nothing but Fraud. The sooner you wake up to this fact the sooner you will end arguing with yourselves.
You Rock whoever you are!
Vern,
I couldn’t have said it better myself. Obama is going down in November. It won’t take many of us in key battle ground states to flip the election to Mc Cain. I believe the election will be won or loss in the 65+ age demographic. As a volunteer for the HRC camp… the one comment I heard over and over from seniors was that Obama was scarry.
They want surety at this stage in their lives and not a non substantive message of change.
What about Hillary running as an independent?
I dont think you get it.
Exactly David. I find it absolutely incredible that Hillary supporters really think that superdelegates should just overturn the will of the people to install Clinton as the Dem. nominee. First of all - why even have a nomination process? Why even vote if the votes don’t count? Second of all if they think they are angry about Obama winning then they should see how angry people would be about the nomination being taken away from Obama for no good reason. That would cause a serious revolt among people who otherwise would have no problem supporting Clinton. That would just be too dirty, too low down. It would destroy the Democratic party.
That’s what it comes down to - Does Clinton care more about her party/country or does she care more about her own ego & ambition. The sense of entitle she (and her supporters) are showing is astonishing. It takes the term “sore loser” to the next level.
You are a jerk.
“will of the people” — like the f****** caucus crap that some of the states forced on us. CAUCUS IS NOT DEMOCRATIC — and any vote does NOT represent the will of the people.
The will of the people are the REAL — primaries — one person — one vote.
But you idiot Obamabots have no concept of what the real will of the people is.
The democratic base is telling the F****** DNC that they want HILLARY CLINTON.
Clinton has won all the major states needed to win the GENERAL ELECTION.
Numnuts Obama and his bots — have insulted nearly all factions of the CORE DEMOCRATS.
We need to get rid of the elitist like Pelosi etc and Howie Deanie — and return the Democratic party to its roots. The Pelosi/Deanie wing of the party can go and form their very own elite Plus AA parts called something else. Or the AA can get over their racism and vote for their self interest and rejoin the REAL democratic party again.
Since my mother a 3rd generation Kansas Republican I am assuming that Obama was raised as a Republican by his Republican Grandparents. Obama was raised in an affluent ($$$$$$$) setting — he is the ultimate elitist snob — just like bush.
Calling Obama a democrat is one of the biggest con jobs EVER. He is an opportunistic, money grubbing, self center, narcissistic, unstable person who shouldn’t even be a US Senator — let alone the Democratic nominee for prez.
Idiot Obamabots have a hell of a nerve lecturing Hillary supporters about the will of the people.
I agree 100 percent. Obamabots, blacks, and the “youth” vote have put him over the top. I wonder if the youth know what they are voting for? Who is this Obama? What has he ever done with regard to policty? Don’t you all know he basically ran unopposed in both of his elections? He ran his opponents off the ballot in Illinois for starters. His wife is a racist. Omorosa in the White House. I don’t think so.
Yeah. Blacks and youth vote. All 20% of them.
Oh, the hypocrisy. Says nothing of disenfranchising millions of voters over DNC “rules” (that for some “miracle” only applied to FL and MI and not SC which moved it’s primary date w-a-y ahead). The same DNC rules that basically will make FL turn into GOP country in 2008 in voter disgust.
Must be sweet working for the GOP (let alone being a 21st century Joseph Goebbels), Jonny.
C’mon. Goebbels?
Hillarybots, can you not call out one of your own when he gets out of line?
Look, give Hillary FLA and MI, and she still is behind on all counts.
Yes, superdelegates are still part of the rules, so that’s why Obama is not yet the official nominee. Let’s have a couple more weeks of superdelegates speaking their minds, and then my great state of Oregon can put him over the top. Then he will not just be the inevitable nominee, but the nominee by the rules.
Just had to chuckle at the word “inevitable”. Wasn’t that supposed to be Hillary? Oh yeah - and then people actually got to vote. Hey, she had all the advantages, but ran one of the worst campaigns in memory. Doing a little better lately before the Gas Holiday fiasco, but given how she royally screwed up after all the advantages she had, do you really thing she would be better in the GE? Most voters don’t.
Hillary never claimed to be inevitable you moron, the media was responsible for that nonsense. Are all Obama supportersBoth Clintons are far too smart as politicians to ever believe such crap.
As for jumping on one of our own to stick up for a troll? You’re kidding right?
they should see how angry people would be about the nomination being taken away from Obama for no good reason.
There are so many good reasons to take the nomination away from BO, it boggles the mind. And I’m sure you know every one of them. Don’t be disingenuous (I’m assuming you’re not stupid, and have heard about Tony Rezko, “Reverend” Wright, Michelle Obama, voting present, flipping Hillary the bird, lying about his roots, lying about his record, a cheating campaign, race baiting…need I go on?) Your candidate needs to quit now, and his supporters need to open their eyes to the reality of Barack Obama.
Are threats really all you have left?
NO GOOD REASON?
How about scamming and cheating the vote.
Is that a good enough reson to deny this OBAMA fraud the nomination?
WAIT A MINUTE! I thought Obamarhoids insist on following “THE RULES!” If we must follow THE RULES, then we follow ALL of THE RULES. THE RULES of the DNC state that the Super Delegates are to “choose the candidate THEY WANT TO CHOOSE, who THEY think can WIN IN NOVEMBER.” THE RULES do NOT say, “Choose the candidate OBAMA wants you to choose.” IF you wish to follow THE RULES and not seat MI and FL, then you must want to follow the RULES for the Super Delegates! RULES ARE RULES whether Obabarhoids like them or not. DEAL WITH IT!
They don’t follow rules. They just cheat. By any means Obama said in the beginning.
He needs to take a math class and count the votes in every state.
“…the will of the people”
Now that is an interesting term. First of all, this primary election is very close in both popular vote and in delegate count. There are still several states where voters have not had a chance to weight in with their ‘will of the people’ yet. That system must be played out.
Second, the will of which people? This is the Democraric Party Primary. At least it is supposed to be.Yet Obama has won many of his primaries with Repubican and Independent crossover votes. And he is the only Democratic candidate that actively went out and solicited Republican for a day votes. That has skewed this so called “will of the people” crap. I don’t want Republicans telling me who the Democratic Party nominee should be.
And third, the “will of the people’ cannot be complete if you don’t count the votes of FL and MI the 4th and 8th largest states in the nation. That is suicide. As you wrote in your post, and I quote, “Why even vote if the votes don’t count?” EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!
The will of the people has been subverted by not counting ALL of Hillary’s votes in EVERY state with few exceptions.
Who cares what you think. Go back to KOS.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Go take a political science class before you flap your nonsense here.
Respectfully, you are flat wrong.
Senator Clinton only agreed not to campaign in Florida or Michigan — and she didn’t, while Barack Obama had ads appearing in Florida and robocalls going into Michigan urging people to “vote uncommitted.” (That’s why “uncommitted” got 40% of the vote in Michigan.)
I am for Barack Obama getting the 40% uncommitted that he robocalled for; Senator Clinton should get her votes.
In Florida, where there’s a Republican Legislature and a Republican Governor, and both of those overruled the state’s Democratic Party (which didn’t want an earlier primary) — there’s no excuse as to why the DNC hasn’t counted all of those votes.
Votes trump rules.
Our country was founded because people disliked “taxation without representation.”
Well, at this point, we have voters who have been ticked off because they’ve been totally disenfranchised. They went out in record numbers in Michigan and again in Florida and deserve to be counted; it’s not the voters fault for any perceived shortcomings in the Democratic Party. They did their part.
But the DNC has not done theirs. They have exacerbated the voter’s pain, and at this point, if Hillary Clinton — the able, experienced, well-qualified candidate who has a large majority of the Admirals and four star Generals in her camp for a good reason — isn’t the candidate, Michigan probably won’t go for Obama and Florida never will. And we need both of those states.
I also believe that Obama will lose in Ohio and Pennsylvania in November. (Especially Pennsylvania.)
The DNC would rather tick off its very real base of women voters, older voters, working class voters, Hispanic voters, middle-class voters and centrist voters by deciding this election based on twelve caucus states — some of which will never go for the Democrat in the fall no matter how awful the Republican candidate is. (And make no mistake — McCain, as a moderate Republican, is not awful. he’s probably the best Republican candidate the Republicans have put up in the past twenty years.) I don’t want Utah or Idaho deciding this race for Barack Obama, a man I believe is unelectable in the general election. Flat unelectable.
And for those of you who seem to think he’s a saint — well, we need a President, not a saint. (And I have news; I doubt Barack Obama is a saint.)
Yours is too simple an argument — all states, all votes count. However, at the end of the day, the big question is who won the states that matter most electorally in the GE. I would actually welcome a democratic candidate who will win those red states and turn them blue. But historical evidence suggests that it is not an easy task. On the other hand, some states do go either way. It is only smart to focus your limited resources on such states. Running a campaign everywhere requires money and people. Before you say Obama has that, I want to point out that he is no longer that magical messiah who would turn red into blue, not with all his baggage of Wright, Ayers — GoP will eat him for lunch and at the end of that process, people in those red states would have walked away from him (if they have not already done so.)
You claim the Democratic party wants to be Democratic but the obamabots and Dem. party leaders want to stop the vote? Obama lost Indiana when he should have won and of course he won NC that was a no brainer. What about FL & MI? the rules committee pulled the nuclear option and according to the DNC rules only half of the delegates were supposed to be taken away, what was that about? Of course it was rigged it was obama supporters who pushed that red button because they wouldn’t do caucuses. Oh and lets not forget NONE of the caucus states have “PLEDGED” ANY DELEGATES and won’t do so until the middle to the end of this month. Hillary picked up 13% more delegates during the county convention and will pick up more during the state convention on the 17th of this month, that is when either Hillary or obama can claim any delegates from my state of Colorado. You want Democracy David tell obamabots, the media, and the pundits who have been completely out of their element this elections to shut the hell up!
Do you think that caucuses are democratic? Do you think that disenfranchising millions of voters in FL & MI is democratic? Do you think that having delegates and super delegates instead of the popular vote is democratic?
Do you think that perhaps when over 90% of black votes for the black candidate that it’s not racist?
Obama supporters are such hypocrites. You don’t wan’t democracy. You just want Obama to win and you don’t care how it’s done. It’s a joke.
Last time I checked, no-one was complaining about caucuses until after their candidate lost a bunch of them.
Voters over 60 vote for Hillary - are they ageist?
Seat the FLA and MI delegates - Obama is still ahead.
Count popular vote - Obama is still ahead!
But realize that by doing these things you wouldn’t be following the rules set down at the beginning of the campaign. But apparently you don’t realize that no matter how you cut it at this point, Obama is the inevitable nominee - joke’s on you.
“Last time I checked, no-one was complaining about caucuses until after their candidate lost a bunch of them.”
Well, I don’t know about anyone else at this site, but I did not know much about how caucuses operated until this year. And when I lived in Ohio I was a Dem Party activist and elected official. But since Ohio is a primary state, the primary system was all I knew.
This year because of all the attention paid to how caucuses operate I have seen just how UNdemocratic they really are. They do not express the “will of the people.’ They express the will of those who can get to the caucus at the set time. They are not a reflection of even 25% of the people, as a primary system might. And they can be very easily manipulated by zealots who can take over the entire process. They are a joke.
“Voters over 60 vote for Hillary - are they ageist? “
I don’t know. But don’t piss us off as we are a big block of votes and any Dem nominee will need us if they are going to win. Actually, sir – your damn question is ageist. You would do well to heed the words of George Washington Carver: “How far you go in life depends on your being tender with the young, compassionate with the aged, sympathetic with the striving and tolerant of the weak and strong. Because someday in your life you will have been all of these.”
75% of Americans have voted for Hillary. She’s been cheated out of her votes and I am pissed. Wake up people. Revolt.
Amen, brother.
I think you mean REPUBLICAN, Einstein. Hillary has had the DEMOCRATIC vote all along. The MAJORITY. (If you don’t know what that word means then go look it up. But we won’t wait.) Your boy has been encouraging Republicans to vote in Democratic primaries. That makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it? Basically what you’re saying is it’s OK for your boy to crash caucuses, bully Hill people away from them, hijack votes, bus people over state lines to vote in other people’s primaries, avoid debates because they highlight his lack of substance and zip legislative record and his connections with sordid underworld criminals, and so forth.
Presuming you have two brain cells (admittedly a bit of a stretch inasmuch as the US government have documented evidence Obama-Aid™ destroys them) you might want to sit down with your pocket calculator widget and ask yourself why on earth he would do that and what the Republicans in such case see in him. Clue: it’s not a candidate of HOPE and CHANGE.
We’ll be here again tomorrow in case you’re back and think you’ve figured it out.
And no, no one here is interested in trading Barack Obama cards.
ROFLOL @ trading cards
Ohhhhhhhhhh I needed that laugh
thanks
You take your cues from Slick Billy, don’t you - who just “happened to hear” that voters were being intimidated in NV. Yeah, right. Just “happened to hear” through his large contingent of secret service, with people around him being quiet enough so he could do so because you know that’s what you do when a President is around.
Look, I’ve been ready to vote for Hillary in the general - she’s smart enough to agree with Barack on most issues, and would be a big relief after the crap we’ve had in the Whitehouse for the past 7 years. But I’ve preferred Obama because of his record on things like lobbying reform and taking on important issues such as loose nukes - the man knows how to prioritize. In the end, there were two (really four, in my mind) excellent candidates, and one out-strategized, out-campaigned and out-appealed all the rest. Time to move on.
So you can go right ahead and try to tear this campaign down and if you manage to do so, why don’t you sit down with some Naderite friends and toast a toast to all the vulnerable people at home and abroad you would have screwed over.
lobby reform with 2 of the biggest lobbyists on his staff?? The globe wrote that Pharmacutacles and insurances were thanking Obama for his help. He made changes in health bill that were beneficial to them.He is sure a different politian ok.NOT!!I will vote for McCain if Obama gets it because a bad 4 yrs if better than handing my country to someone that says it is a great country now come help me change it.His Farrakhan, wife,pastor and other friends Ayers and Rezko and others tell me his judgement needs tuneing.
It’s a sham. not that many Repubs voted for him. It’s desinged to appear he has the support that really doesn’t exist. Reason: to justify stealing the votes.
One method is to submit absentee ballots from dead people.
In NC there were 406,000 absentee ballots from dead people. That’s half of what he won leaving him a win of 19% in NC…wake up people!
I am obviously a supporter of Hillary Clinton, Lou, but hadn’t heard about that.
Can’t those votes be thrown out, if that’s what really happened? (Note that I heard about the two counties where votes for Obama were “accidentally” counted twice.)