The Obama Democrats’ Ostrich Moment
By Larry Johnson on May 8, 2008 at 9:15 PM in Barack Obama, Bernardine Dohrn, Democrats, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Kentucky, Patriotism, Puerto Rico, Robert Novak, Superdelegates, Weather Underground, West Virginia, William Ayers
The full-court press to force Hillary from the presidential race ain’t working. She will win the West Virginia, Kentucky, and Puerto Rico primaries.
But the screwed-up, patchwork system the Democrats are using to choose delegates has given small states, which are unlikely to be in the Democratic column come November, inordinate influence.
At the same time, the big states that will play an instrumental role in the November general election–New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Florida, Texas, and California–are being treated like they are Iowa and Idaho.
It will boil down to the decision of the super delegates.
I am a pessimist. Even though Hillary is the one who wins the big states that will count in the fall, the “supers” appear to be moving toward Obama. Even though Hillary has more popular votes and polls much better among the Reagan democrats, the supers appear to be moving toward Obama.
Hillary’s only hope is that the super delegates will come to their senses and realize that Barack Obama’s relationships with the corrupt Tony Rezko, the racist-wife stealing Jeremiah Wright, and the unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers will provide the Republicans with ammunition they have never had at hand to use against the Democrats’ candidate. This is particularly true of that flag stomper, Bill Ayers.
Think not? Just read what the execrable Bob Novak wrote today:
The test of Obama’s strategy may be his friendship with and support from William Ayers, an unrepentant member of the Weathermen terrorist underground of the 1960s and ’70s. Instead of totally disavowing Ayers as he belatedly did his former pastor, Obama potentially deepened his problem by referring to Ayers as just a college professor — “a guy who lives in my neighborhood.” He then compared their relationship to his friendship with conservative Republican Sen. Tom Coburn, just as he compared Wright’s racism to his white grandmother’s.
Democrats abhor bringing up what Obama calls Ayers’s “detestable acts 40 years ago,” but they will be brought into the public arena even if that is not McCain’s style of politics. A photo of Ayers stomping on the American flag in 2001 has been all over the Internet this week. That was the year Obama accepted a $200 political contribution from Ayers and the year in which the former Weatherman said: “I don’t regret setting bombs; I feel we didn’t do enough.”
While McCain will not demand a response from Obama, others will. How the prospective nominee handles this will help define whether he is seen as flawed or fantastic in the long campaign ahead.
We may now understand why Barack does not wear a flag lapel pin. He’s afraid that Bill Ayers will stomp on him. In reality, it will be the relationship with Bill Ayers that will empower the Republicans to destroy the candidacy of Barack Obama.
This is not a question of whether or not the Republicans will use this material. They will. So what is there to find? That is the area of greatest danger for the Democrats. Obama has lied about his longstanding relationship with Bill Ayers.
Why? What is he hiding? As I have pointed out before, 1995 was a critical year in the Obama/Ayers relationship. It was in 1995 that Barack was tabbed by Ayers to be the Chairman of the Annenberg Challenge (a failed $50 million project). That same year, Barack sat at a kitchen table with Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, Bill’s wife, a plotted the ouster of Alice Palmer, who Obama took down in order to secure his place in the Illinois state senate.
If the Super Delegates do not insist on a full and complete disclosure from Barack Obama about his ties to Bill Ayers, the Republicans will force the issue in the fall. It is one thing to have a name that sounds like the terrorist who attacked us on 9-11. But it is an entirely different matter to be close friends with an unrepentant terrorist who bombed U.S. Government buildings.
There is no where to run. The relationship is genuine. This is a stonewall that will not stand.
Larry - I just do not understand how Ayers and Dorn can get tenured positon on University Faculy’s. I heard his father is big on the contributions, however is there no limit on what money will buy?
I’m sure Bill Ayer’s father had a hand in that.
Whats goiing on in Chicago and Illinois Politics and thier Universitys demonstarte every thing that is wrong with America…
As far as that Pig Ayers is concerned…Its too bad he wasn’t with His Girlfriend in that Twonhouse when the Bomb Blew Up..At leats there are Three less Terrorist of William Ayers Ilk to to be around getting attention and selling Books like Ayers…
What a hypocrite…
Good Job Larry and NQ…..Keep up the pressure…..I heard on the BBC that McCain mentioned how happy HAMAS was about Obama’s possible nomination…..I think you are getting through….I also hold out the hope for Hillary….Is there anything to the linkage of the Oama Campaign to the Chechen Terrorists ?
“She will win the West Virginia, Kentucky, and Puerto Rico primaries.
But the screwed-up, patchwork system the Democrats are using to choose delegates has given small states, which are unlikely to be in the Democratic column come November, inordinate influence.”
Small states like West Virginia and Kentucky, which will be red in November, and Puerto Rico, which doesn’t get to vote for president in November? So even if she wins them, we should ignore them.
You should talk about red states? Do you think Obama is going to carry those states he won that haven’t gone Democratic since the 60s? The guy hasn’t garnered one single swing state democrats need to win. He not only couldn’t win them, he insulted every one of them. Even Massachusetts is against him and I don’t they they EVER went republican before. His polls there are Dismal. Just plain Dismal. But then they know Deval Patrick. He’s not even polling well in New York for Chrissakes. I venture to say that Barack Obama as a candidate would get the lowest vote percentage in a GE we have ever seen. Even worse than Dukakis or McGovern. I myself would be looking forward to it.
LOOK LIKE MCCAIN IS GOING TO SKIP INTO THE WHITE HOUSE JUST LIKE OBAMA SKIPPED IN TO THE ILL LEGISLATURE.
SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, I AM OFFENDED THAT HE WAS LOW CLASSED ENOUGH TO GIVE THE FINGER TO A FORMER FIRST LADY ON NATIONAL TV WHILE SEEKING THE HIGHEST OFFICE IN THE LAND.
ALSO LETS NOT FORGET THAT HE IS THE REASON FL AND MI VOTERS ARE BEING DISENFRANCHIZED.
SO I HOPE HIS LITTLE TERROIST FRIENDS REALLY DO HIM IN AND I DON’T THINK MCCAIN WILL BE ALL THAT BAD.
No, apparently Obama has just decided he’s the winner in that election, too, just like in the democratic primaries.
He’s having his Cheney 4th branch moment, batshit crazy, and he hasn’t even hit the White House, yet…
This does not bode well…
Tell McCain to go home, Obama’s says it over…
I have never read such pathetic smears as on this blog. Larry Johnson is showing his ignorance and mccarthyisms in full force…prove that bill ayers and bernadette dorn ‘plotted’ to keep alice palmer out of the race - she said she would have done the same thing and admitted her signatures were illegitimate.
and prove that Obama gave the finger to Hillary - look at the video from the undoctored angle and you will see the fact that he had two fingers on his cheek.
this is so ridiculous and I cannot believe you people are so filled with hatred that you carry on like this.
when are we going to hear about Hillary former employers, two communists who defended the Black Panthers…wow!! you won’t hear about it because NO ONE is trying to bring her down based on her associations. He weathered the wright and bittergate storm….and still stands. give it up.
Gee you seem upset. You probably shouldn’t come back because we have just gotten started.
He’s fired up, and ready to go…
And here comes the campfire scene from Blazing Saddles…
I think the bama’s plan is to portray Mccain as crazy, and unstable, projecting again, given who deals with terrorists as part of the IL combine, and such.
Again a hard truth about Obama, like or not, it’s true, no matter how hard axelrove spins himself.
AxelRove…..Thats Good…
When the GOP gets through with swiftboating Obama — just about ALL voters would vote McCain — even if he were dead (which he won’t be!)
Hillary has already proven that Obama is a loser. You all know the must win states she’s won and the red states Obama has won.
The corporate media is really doing a job on the audience — this is called brainwashing.
If the media merely reported the FACTS — I believe everyone here would be jumping for joy.
What is really amusing is that these psy games are really transparent night.
So we have the LOSER — acting like he’s the winner. And the corporate media is playing along — why? Because the key word is CORPORATE — they are funding a nobody guy with zero experience and they want their money’s worth!
Turn off the tv — watch movies — or anything besides giving ratings to corporate whores.
No one will prove to the Obama Democrats that an inexperienced Black man with volatile connections can’t win the White House until they see it for themselves…and then it will be too late. Of course, it will all be Hillary’s fault.
I had a horrible thought yesterday, that on May 20 Obama will declare victory and MSNBC and CNN will report it as if it’s news. Isn’t that how dictators are placed into position?
What a mess! I still have hope though.
President Hillary Clinton is Inevitable!
And I guess that’s why she was campaigning for Clinton?
You have to tell the truth about what you see, otherwise you end up as stupid as Cheney’s crew, or Obama’s, diapered, incapable of accurate decisions.
I mean, look at your head, always trying to prove a negative, why would anyone want to die with a head like that?
It’s failure.
If you were speaking to me, and McCain is corrupt, he’ll be diapered, like Obama is, like Bush, adn Cheney are.
And Clinton might pull it out, why don’t the trolls ever think, how are YOU being psy opsed?
But given the republican trolls have lost three wars, well, I guess that says it all.
Leonore dear - cool it. I can see you are Obama’s supporter and that is fine - however use you logic and look objectively at Obama and ask yourself what from Obama’s past would qualify him to be the president of ths country. I can help you there - NOTHING. Now lets flip the question and ansk what would disqualify him from the White House. I think to many facts to even list here. Obama will NEVER be president
McCain will be bad, and we had better fight for hillary Clinton.
This is NOT OVER YET.
The Republicans are pulling what they did in 2000:
cable news kept screaming at Al Gore to stop counting the FL votes, because
it was ‘HURTING AMERICA.” And “AMERICANS JUST WANT TO MOVE ON.”
They lulled us into making the EASY decision.
They LULLED US INTO A PRESIDENT THAT HAS MURDERED THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, PUT PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES, AND IMPOVERISHED MIDDLE CLASS FAMILIES.
IF WE DON’T KEEP FIGHTING, WE ARE FINISHED, MY FRIEND.
Cut the crap using all caps. Your message is good enough without the shouting.
I like his caps, the mix, the individuality, here.
Yeah He is using caps for emphasis….Droz heres a shout BUG OFF !
For what I THOUGHT were noble reasons (banning Fox news, never going to Walmart, etc)
is now proving to me why DEMS continue to LOSE. If you refuse to WATCH your
enemyopposition then you never see it coming.How simple yet somehow we fail to see it. For NOBLE reasons.
argh! WAKE UP DEMS!
Amen to that. I did the same thing the Obama boyz are doing this year in 2004. Never again. I’ll always have my eyes wide open, browse conservative sites etc. just to see what is coming down the pike.
And I am the eternal optimist. And Hillary’s warriors will fight tooth and nail by all legal means available to secure Hillary the nomination.
If Hillary can show courage under fire, so can I! We need to make sure Hillary has the funds to make it to the finish line.
History teaches us a small group of people fighting for the survival of their nation can fend off evil of seemingly insurmountable magnitude. I speak of England and how they were able to fend off the German Blitzkrieg long enough for the US to step in and help defeat Germany.
Right can defeat might!
But I respect you Larry anyway.
Lion
President and Commander-in-Chief Hillary Clinton is inevitable!
I wonder if any one knows what the big thing is that will be revealed that is supposed to sink Obama’s campaign.
He’s nuts.
I was watching Fox news a couple of days ago and they were interviewing Rove. They were discussing Obama’s connection with Ayers and that fact that he had bombed the Pentagon, etc; They named three buildings. The interviewer asked if the voters were aware of the Ayers issue and Rove said not at this point in time. It was obvious that this was going to be a Republican line of attack against Obama if he was the Dem nominee in the GE.
And it’s the truth, for once the Republicans can campaign with the truth, and legitimately destroy a candidate.
McCain would not have this option with Clinton.
Republicans will hurt the country, McCain will hurt his presidency, but he will win.
Obama has a lot of gas around him, he’s all floss, nothing, at all in terms of substance.
And I wonder, what happens when Obama is provoked, does he melt down?
Declaring himself winner, already, looks a little kooky.
It’s as though he’s being allowed to get wa-a-a-a-a-a-y-y-y-y-y up there so he drops faster and harder, isn’t it?
A little kooky?
How about psychopathic?
(psy·cho·path (sī’kə-pāth’)
n. A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.
Sound like anyone we know? Or His followers?
“And it’s the truth, for once the Republicans can campaign with the truth, and legitimately destroy a candidate.
McCain would not have this option with Clinton.”
(sigh)
think burkle. think whitewater, flowers, willey, jones, rich, lewinsky, travelgate, doa health care reform, clinton foundation donors, etc., etc., etc. 1200 pages of dirt sitting in the rnc offices on clinton, waiting to come to a 527 campaign near you.
you poor souls. reality is such a distraction.
And she still became a senator…twice…with a 65% approval rating..twank. She’s already been vetted by Ken Star and the 65 million spent. All they got Bill on was a blow job. Old news sweetie, what else ya got? She could eat you alive. That’s why bambi won’t debate her again. He’s a limp wristed, pansy. And there’s no way repugs will cross over for him in the GE and now Brazille and Obama and wright have pissed off white dem males, older dem females, garlic noses, JFK dems, jewish folks, and my neighbor’s cat. And you still think you’re going to take the GE? Good luck!
Oh yes — can’t forget about the cats — they poop in shoes if they get pissed. Do. Not. Piss. Off. Cats!
NWR, pooping in shoes? I wish. My neighbor’s cat is so pissed, he sits on our fence and laments about Obama… starting at about 3AM…every night…for hours. He’s one angry Hillary kitty.
My cat loves Hillary. Every time she’s on TV, he watches her, I swear. He’s smarter than Obambi’s followers!
no, i don’t think obama’s going to win the general.
but if you think clinton has been fully vetted, you really need to lay off the hallucinogins.
the reeps will revisit all the crap from the clinton admin, plus all the crap they’ve been involved with since 2000. and none of that — NONE of it — has gotten any scrutiny at all — yet.
except for the bosnian snipers. and the gas tax pander. and…
Don’t start with the Bosnian sniper. My husband served as back fill for Bosnia. It was dangerous there. Imagine Laura Bush going to Iraq. Hillary was a high value target. If you were her Secret service Agent, you would have been worried about snipers.
He’s a republican troll, he can’t see much that’s real.
I can’t believe you are still pushing this bullshit. Bosnia may have been a dangerous country but she was never, ever under any threat. Frankly, there are parts of Iraq I can go to today and be fine.
Why can’t any of you ever admit she made a mistake?
If you just turned around and said “wow, that was really dumb” you’d have a lot more credibility.
Bwaaaaana…..WHAT ABOUT THE LINKS BETWEEN OBAMAS CAMPAIGN AND CHECHEN TERRORISTS ?…..How bout that ?
Please provide.
Nope, those were manufactured, at best marginal issues, Obama deals with terrorist enablers, I would venture individuals labeled enemies of the US.
Big differende, try to think, it’ why your trolls can’t win wars, inferior intellcts.
MCCAIN has been through the swift boat thang….I do not think that he relishes constanly being denounced as RACIST for any criticism of OBAMA…..who would….Obamas campaign aside from his corruption has been bad for the country…..Anyone who does not support him is a racist ( if you are a non AA = CRACKER ) OR you are labled an ( Uncle Tom or House N****R ) if you are an AA. The whole thing is so VICIOUS…..
I think that the Obamacrats have played the whiny “racist” card against Hillary Clinton so often that if they dusted it off and used it against McCain they would be greeted with yawns, cries of “oh not again” and silence. Crying wolf does have it’s little consequences.
Details and plenty of background links after the break.
Barack Obama has a new entanglement with unrepentant Weatherman Bill Ayers which I detail below. The gist is this - back in the mid-90’s Bill Ayers was instrumental in the creation and early operation of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an effort committed to the reform of Chicago’s public schools. Barack Obama was Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which suggests he worked closely with Ayers for several years.
Yet in his recent nationally televised appearances and at his website, Obama fails to mention this Ayers entanglement. Why so coy? It’s hard to believe he actually forgot his executive role in this important foray into public policy; that said, the Chicago Challenge foundered on the hard rocks of Chicago politics and was widely viewed as ineffective, so perhaps he would prefer not to highlight his failure to bring people together and produce real change.
Or maybe Obama was a do-nothing figurehead who honestly forgot that Bill Ayers was running the show. Awkward spin, that. In any case, there is also a question of shared values. Ayers brings a highly progressive approach to education - dare we ask whether Obama shares his values?
Details and plenty of background links after the break.
With Ayers, two themes are emerging:
(1) It’s not the crime, it’s the cover-up - why can’t Obama manage to deliver a clear answer about his relationship with Ayers? It has long been reported that they both sat on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago. We now also know that Ayers helped found the Chicago Annenberg Challenge Fund, with Obama as the first Chairman of the Board. We also know that Obama, Thomas Ayers (Bill Ayers father) and John Ayers (Bill’s brother) all served on the Leadership Council of the Chicago Public Schools Education Fund (described here as “the successor” to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge project).
http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/18332984.html
lots of interesting links for the uninformed here:
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/04/just-fact-check.html
Maybe his lame ass excuse will be the same as his excuse as to why he’s never shown up to his Afghanistan Committee he’s is some chair of yet has not held one damn meeting????
He’s just doin all this for prestige and NOT doing the work just doing what someone is telling him he has to do to climb the ladder ahead of everyone else that’s actually doing the HARD WORK!
all those empty votes from the BO empty suit, job titles with no there, there, professor? lecturer? huh?
lol jezzzzzzzz
just an idea
Wasn’t it the actions of the Weathermen and their comrades who strongly divided the Democratic Party, thus giving the USA the Nixon presidency?
This selection of a Democratic candidate is a battle in a larger war. Its like the British East India Company vs. American Independence war will never end.
“A Republic, if you can keep it,” said Ben Franklin.
Keep up the good fight! Also, go to HillaryClinton.com and contribute. Even $5.00 helps. I chipped in $220 yesterday to ‘Our Girl’ Let’s go!!
You are a saint!
Thanks!
President and Commander-in-Chief Hillary Clinton is inevitable!
Obama has traveled internationally to Africa and Indonesia, but he has never travel to or even through Europe.
Rev. Write expresses his blatant hostility towards white “Europeans.”
Obama doesn’t wear a U.S. flag lapel pen.
Obama’s friend and business associate, Bill Ayers, stomps on the American flag.
I smell a theme here … do themes have an odor?
This one does: dog shit.
Lion
President and Commander-in-Chief Hillary Clinton is inevitable!
“Obama doesn’t wear a U.S. flag lapel pen.”
neither does clinton. neither does mccain.
you want this election to be about jewelry??
pathetic…
No it’s about the narrative that all that creates. Only 29% of the country believe that he’s patriotic.
Please provide a link to that bullshit statistic.
While its true that a number do think he’s a muslim, you can thank HRC and her followers for perpetuating that line.
Looks like it’s time for another version of BUSH ON THE COUCH
OBAMA’s MOMMY & DADDY ISSUES
FUELING THE HATE
HIS SPIRITUAL MENTOR
REV WRONG
“but I’ve got these abandonment issues”
what a perfect idea for a President!!
All I can say is I am glad there will be more of us in November than there will be of them. Unfortunately we lost another golden opportunity to actually elect a democrat. Do we pick a democrat? Nope. We pick a man with the resume the size of a postage stamp who hates white people, hates women, hates uneducated people, has surrogates who are threatening savages, uses the Race Card every 15 minutes, has more than a few dubious connections with terrorism, both domestic AND foreign, and calls himself a “uniter”. No wonder we have only elected two democratic presidents in thirty years. We pick completely out of touch assholes as candidates.
That’s the same B.S. Bush pulled to win the 2000 election - no resume, hates people loves corporations, uniter not a divider, then was the most divisive president in modern history.
You forgot his other similarity: A middle east conflict. You can bet that’s why Bin Laden never was caught. I mean they had inter-family dealings. Now I see Obama and all these pakistanis coming here and raising big bucks for him. I see Hamas endorsing him. I see a former PLO bundler. Cold call centers in Gaza City. I see Auchi,and he recently had to donate money given to him by Aiham Alsammarae. Zbigniew “Oooo Rahhh Jihad!” Brezinski. These people are not a good omen. And to top it off, he is even affiliated with domestic terrorists. He’s got the whole enchilada rooting for him.
The Dem party just proves the old adage- “What’s the definition of insanity? Continuing to do the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.” McGovern,Dukakis, Mondale, Kerry, Obama.
The lunatics are running the asylum!
You find that bad, you should see how Bush runs the war…
All of Washington, isn’t it?
Can’t they arrest him (potentially) for the money laundering thing?
Barack Obama wouldn’t get arrested for murder if he committed it. He’s from Chicago. The only way to get rid of this character is to make sure he’s not elected. When they are done exposing his middle eastern connections and after people get sick and tired of watching those crackpot surrogates threaten everybody on TC, that should be easy.
TC=TV
How old b u
Old enough to recognize a bullshitter when I see one.
Since apparently nothing of consequence is going to come out of the Rezko trial, I think it’s probably doubtful that any legal problems that would stick will be brought to our attention very soon. On the off chance that he gets the nomination and wins the GE, however, it might enable the repubs to start impeachment pretty soon after the swearing in.
Much of consequence has already come from Rezko, period.
You can’t ignore information because you think it won’t affect an election, Obama, for anyone who can read, is a criminal POS.
What are the implications?
Does the CIA, NSA, FBI just let it go?
What about big business, how do they fit in, other than the usual?
Or do people stay in a childlike fairy tale and think it’ll be OK, because they THINK they dodged a bullet?
It’s like they’re trying to hustle a drunk Obama through the alley, hoping no one will get a picture.
THAT picture is already on the cover of the post, that’s the reality.
You betcha. The Republicans won’t take ANYTHING off the table. I’ll give them that.
No, because you’d have to actually prove it rather than make anonymous accusations on the internet.
I will never vote for Obama because of his relationship with Ayers. People have fond memories of the 60’s, but I remember the insanity and the bloodshed, too.
I’m a life long Dem, a bleeding heart even, and I can’t stand the people Obama hangs out with, can’t stand the hatred towards the US that comes from them. If I can’t stomach Obama, then he is really not electable.
Not matter what happens, I will be eternally grateful to Hillary for staying in this race. Not only is she a ground breaking role model for girls and women, she’s fighting for this country with everything she’s got.
This election is one of those deals where it’s bigger than you, me, Hillary Clinton, or Barak Obama. The next POTUS will be selecting a SCROTUS justice or two. Do you want another Scalia clone on the bench? Do you want to see a reactionary activist SCROUTS denying a woman’s right to choose? DO you want another 2000 Florida decision where the SCROTUS selected George Bush denying state’s rights? Then vote for McCain or don’t vote at all.
Unless Barak wimps out ala that other Axlerodian Candidate Deval Patrick (D-French-sounding-given-name)and reaches across the aisle to approve some republican Cro-Magnon for Justice we need a Democrat in the White House.
That’s why I’m thinking of starting Democrats Against McCain-Uninted. The acronym is my salute to all the Omamaziods out there.
Sorry but from reading talkleft, Obama is going to nominate Cass Susstein, a judge who thinks Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided. There is absolutely no reason in the world to vote for Obama at this point.
Yes, thats right, Obama has already provided a detailed list of people he will appoint. You caught him. Thats not just something someone suggested on the internet.
Susan and Larry, everyone contributing here does such good work, so many people I know look forward to NQ, are very happy it’s here…
In the end, it doesn’t matter — Obama is red meat.
If Obama is the nominee, I’m returning to my conservative sites and going to do my patriotic duty to sink BOTH domestic terrorists. No unity here, traitors have no business in government (and yes, I consider fellow travellers traitors as they CHOOSE to associate with undesireable elements that want to destroy America).
Have zero respect for Obama. And if the DNC pushes such an candidate as the presidential nominee, they PROVE that the GOP was right — liberals hate America.
I can see it now: The Ayers pic above, along with CA liberal Moonies holding up a placard telling troops to kill their officers.
Way to go DNC, you could reunite the GOP when the wings themselves couldn’t even rally around McInsane!!
Obama is no Liberal–not even close.
General Wesley Clark is a self-described and proud Liberal. Are you really going to try to claim he “hates America?”
Why don’t you try telling him that to his face?
I’m a self-described and proud Liberal, and I dare you to tell me that to my face.
Oh, and by the way–it was nutcases like Bill Ayers who made “Liberal” a dirty word in this country 40 years ago.
You might want to re-think your use of it as a pejorative.
I can seperate the wings, as I myself am from a wing of conservatism (Traditional conservatism). But I’m not blind to what I’ve seen since the 60s of the radicals in Democrat party. They spit on our fathers returning from Vietnam. They gave us welfare that destroyed the Black community worse than Jim Crow (by robbing them of even pride). They want to turn America in a communist state with all of the problems even the Soviets despise.
It’s one thing it’s some two-bit backyard congressman, but this is the POTUS we’re talking about. S/he will represent ALL America, not terrorist thugs who feel executing US citizens is a right — and denied even a court proceeding that even murderers get.
That’s how fucked up THAT wing is in your party, that is tolerated and even fed (look back at those CA moonies holding placards to kill officers in our armed services back in 2003; to the Berkeley recruitment flap in 2008) — so much to be a potential presidential candidate.
Conservatives et al will see a fringe radical Dem stomping on the flag and intent to blow up institutions like McVeigh (and you saw how conservatives treated even a Right wing nutjob, right??), and they only see a liberal yet again pissing on this country.
To conservatives patriotism and country aren’t just flags and slogans. It represents who and what we are, and the vision of our Founders. It’s our duty to protect each, not piss and stomp one and then change the other overnight for some pinhead’s idea of Utopia.
I see Ayers who wants to destroy America. I see a terrorist who needs to join MacVeigh. Brass tacks time, I’ll even string up that bastard myself — don’t tread on the USA, asshole, NEVER! >:(
Chris…You have to respect the Fact that most of us here are Democrats or Moderates..Liberal on some issues..conservates on others…and do Not believe in PARTY UBER ALLES..if we recognize that Our Party is being taken over by InfilTRAITORS..and
INDIDELS ..ho don’t have the Guts to tell The American people the Truth…They are NOT Amricans in the Typical sense…They are Terrorists, Gangsters, Radicals..Revolutionarys…and they have Packaged THIER SLICK WILLY CANDIDATE..and Trotted Him Out to Lie and decieve…
We here, like Larry Johnson did in the Very beginning with the Bush Administartion call Bullshit on Obama and His CADRE…
You should respect that..Its not easy for those of us who truely love the Democrat Party or the United States of America to see this Happening to Our party or Our Nation..
This is not an Election, its a COUP by Infil”TRAITORS”
Our Hope is that Hillary will get the Nomintion..She is Wonderful, and I am very Proud of Her..What a fighter..She eared the nomination and this should have been HER YEAR..
Instead, A Group of Radical zealots in Chicago felt they could CAPTURE the Nomination as a Backlash to the Bush Administration..
Obamas Friends appear to hate the United States Government and the American flag..
Where is J. Edgar when You Need him…??
I have a better alternative, and this is meant for everyone, not necessarily ChrisXP:
Let’s have faith in Hillary. She has made it this far and all I see the negativity doing is sapping our morale, strength and spirit to fight on.
As it is said, when the going gets tough the tough get going.
The pro-Obama people have an advantage over us, with their blind allegiance — its easier for them to fight us as their minds are more free and devoid of distraction. What I am suggesting is the rugged individualists that are Hillary supporters think about just saying what the outcome will be (Hillary winning) and working towards it. Sometimes us thinkers “think too much” and end up cutting off our own noses to spite our faces. I know people like to think “what if,” but that is anxiety or fear of the future.
You certainly will never propel Hillary to victory when you are down, fearful and anxious.
Aren’t there any military people here? I am not, but I know enough that you can’t win a battle worrying if you might lose the battle.
I see this struggle as epic. We can’t afford to let Obama get the nomination, period. It sets a horrific precedent, one that future generations will curse us for.
And we are at war with a would-be tyrant. I won’t lay down for him. And I won’t lay down for him thinking “well McCain will beat his ass due to Ayers, Wright, etc.”
McCain will be a disaster for America as well, not a tyrant, but a disaster none the less. You people forget the clock is ticking on major global issues that we don’t have the luxury of time to ignore anymore? I would fight to elect McCain over Obama, but we don’t have time to wait four years for Hillary to try again. And writing in Hillary or starting a third party is impractical even though a romantic notion, with the exception of a state that has no chance of going to Obama if a bunch of people go the romantic route. Sending a statement would be wise in that case.
The desire to seek revenge on Obama by letting McCain defeat him is also a non-starter for me. Is a few moments of pleasure worth the much higher costs I suggest to you?
I will be setting up my own blog now and hope to be sharing some ideas with my newfound friends here shortly — including a neat fundraising idea.
My leaving has nothing to do with the tone of this comment, I’ve been waiting for the blog software to get installed and I purchased a second domain for a second blog for a totally cool project. So anyway, I have to tend to these things and will pop in here once I am set-up and ready to go, probably in a few days.
I’ve learned a lot here and shall return.
Defeatists are self-defeating. Warriors may “lose,” but always win some dignity in the process of fighting the good fight.
I did a little test, only a couple people adopted my sig/tag-line. I think this proves my main point: too much negativity in the air if you ever hope to defeat Obama. And the trolls feed into this, they are always spreading doubt. I don’t find it prudent to help them.
Food for thought!
Regards,
Patriotic Lion
President and Commander-in-Chief Hillary Clinton is inevitable!
Actually, I see, from Obama, the biggest group of moronic wannabes I have ever witnessed, laughable.
Do you think Dean has made any connection between his magical thinki