What’ll Be Left of the Democratic Party [Updated]
By SusanUnPC on May 8, 2008 at 9:51 AM in Barack Obama, Bernardine Dohrn, Bill Ayers, Donna Brazile, Father Michael Pfleger, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, Media Bias, Minister Louis Farrakhan, Nadhmi Auchi, New Black Panther Party, Obamedia, Paul Begala, Rev. James Meeks, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., Rev. Otis Moss, Tony Rezko, Weather Underground, William Ayers
After you, me, and a few more million leave: Eggheads and African-Americans.
Because, as Donna Brazile infamously said, “we don’t have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics..” (TRANSLATION: They’re a bunch of racists anyway, so screw them.)
Here’s what Donna wrote in an e-mail yesterday to an understandably unhappy Hillary supporter (the rest of her nasty e-mail is below):
Message to the base: stay home.
Good luck with that coalition, Donna, Barack, San Francisco Nancy, and Howard. Because, while we won’t stay home, you elitists, we’ll all be writing in “Hillary Clinton” on our ballots — if she’s not the nominee. As Pagan Power wrote so powerfully yesterday in her important essay, “I Call A Spade a Spade“:
It is as if race can only be seen as a detrimental factor if white people use it to form their opinions and cast their votes. A full 87% of blacks in Ohio supported Obama for the nomination but what made the headlines were those 20% of Ohioans polled that considered race in their decision. The 87% black vote we are supposed to ignore or somehow gloss over. And that appears to be exactly what Donna Brazile and the DNC expect us to do. […]
What started out as a race of ideas has become a race about race…
Donna Brazile, the one that started the race war against Bill Clinton has concluded that blue collar white voters are part of the past and no longer a necessary part of the Democratic coalition which she sees as blacks, young people and overeducated whites (no offense to Uppity Woman).
You’ve heard all about the meltdown that Donna Brazile had a couple nights ago on CNN. Here’s the transcript and the video, thanks to V. BELOW, is another one of Miss Donna’s infamous e-mails — followed by a few frank thoughts of my own.
UPDATE BELOW THE FOLD:
Isn’t this lovely?! A diary at MyDD, “1% Clinton Dead Enders Not Welcomed With Me.” This diary singles out Alegre, Larry and me as “dead enders.” I’m honored. And this is so amusing:
The 1% Clinton Dead Enders, yes you ______, Susan and Larry, are NOT WELCOME in the Democratic Party. Your constant lying, swiftboating, and disingenuousness has been thoroughly exposed for several months (and you helped your preferred candidate lose because of it) and you bitter Kool Aid Cultists can go hide in a basement with Taylor Marsh. …
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Here’s some of the transcript from Donna’s nasty meltdown:
BEGALA: We cannot win with egg heads. We cannot win with egg heads and African-Americans. OK, that is the Dukakis Coalition, which carried ten states and gave us four years of the first George Bush.
President Clinton — reached across to get a whole lot of Republicans and Independents to come. I think Senator Obama and Senator Clinton both have that capacity. They both have a unique ability – well it’s not unique if they both have it. They both have a remarkable ability to reach out to those working-class white folks and Latinos.
Senator Clinton has proven it; Barack has not yet, but he can. And I certainly hope he is not shutting the door on expanding the party.
. . .
BRAZILE: Well, Lou, I have worked on a lot of Democratic campaigns, and I respect Paul. But, Paul, you’re looking at the old coalition. A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don’t have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics. We need to look at the Democratic Party, expand the party, expand the base and not throw out the baby with the bathwater.BEGALA: We cannot win with egg heads. We cannot win with egg heads and African-Americans. OK, that is the Dukakis Coalition, which carried ten states and gave us four years of the first George Bush.
President Clinton — reached across to get a whole lot of Republicans and Independents to come. I think Senator Obama and Senator Clinton both have that capacity. They both have a unique ability – well it’s not unique if they both have it. They both have a remarkable ability to reach out to those working-class white folks and Latinos. Senator Clinton has proven it; Barack has not yet, but he can. And I certainly hope he is not shutting the door on expanding the party.
. . .
BRAZILE: Well, Lou, I have worked on a lot of Democratic campaigns, and I respect Paul. But, Paul, you’re looking at the old coalition. A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don’t have to just rely on white blue-collar voters and Hispanics. We need to look at the Democratic Party, expand the party, expand the base and not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
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EARLY MORNING THOUGHTS (before the caffeine has had its fully desired effect):
I feel trapped.
My usual hang-outs on the ‘net are gone. The days of the orange place and of my first-thing-every-morning reading of Josh Marshall’s Talking Points Memo are behind me.
In those places, I’m one of two things:
1) I’m not a good Democrat, whatever that is — and which I never particularly cared about being anyway, and/or
2) I am a loathsome racist.
Excuse me for daring to say that I’ve NEVER understood the need for unquestioning party loyalty.
Time was, at least in Washington state where I grew up, that we had as many fine Republican elected officials as Democrats. And I voted for people in either party, because I felt one or the other was the better candidate.
But since those days, it is NOT just the Republican party that has been seized by a rigid ideology of the far-right religious nutjobs.
The Democratic party has been partly seized by intense pressure from the far left, from the likes of MoveOn and CodePink (which was once a beautifully creative anti-war group but is now a parody of itself) to the legends-in-their-own-minds like Kos.
Worst of all, the Democratic party — over and over and over — lets itself be seized by the “darling” of the moment.
From Jimmy Carter to Michael Dukakis and now Barack Obama.
I’ve said this before, but I’ll be a broken record about it. I sat with my jaw on the floor in 2004 when at my local caucus, the pro-John Kerry people said, over and over, that the whole reason for supporting Kerry was because he was the “electable candidate.”
I was for Howard Dean at the time — forgive me for that — but John Edwards was then, and was again this time ’round, my strong second choice.
Edwards had both electability and the obvious traits to BE a president.
But John Kerry was seen, back then, as ELECTABLE? These days, that’s seen clearly as the joke it is.
But that’s the message that the DNC and its partner the MSM put out, and the SHEEP in the Democratic party followed along, uttering the argument they’d been spoon-fed.
As I sat there that day, in an uncomfortably small chair in an elementary school, I wondered if these people EVER had an original thought. Or if they just went along with what the evening news TOLD them to think.
I’m getting lost in a rush of memories here. Mostly memories of frustration and bewilderment.
All I do know is that the Democratic party, once again, is about to nominate a man who:
1) is not experienced enough to be president; and
2) is not presidential timber.
Some people have what it takes to be president. They have grit, toughness, determination, and the ability to make tough decisions. I see none of that in Barack Obama.
I see all of that in Hillary Clinton.
For months now, I’ve jokingly said to pals that I’m looking hard for video of Barack Obama in bed in a threesome with Tony Rezko and his wife.
I’m only half joking. I pray there is such damaging information out there somewhere.
Because apparently — and astonishingly — all the information we have on Obama already, including all of his extremely disturbing relationships with the likes of Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dorhn, Nadhmi Auchi, and on and on, do not cause a blip of concern for the Democratic elite establishment.
But do the Republicans ever know that all of that matters. It’s going to be bloody. And November, if Obama is the nominee, will be a humiliating experience for the Democrats.
But, then, the Democrats seem to seek humiliation. They’re attracted to seizing defeat from the jaws of victory.
Because they’re so self-absorbed with satisfying their own pyschological, elitist cravings that they cannot see that a STRONG, EXPERIENCED candidate is who is needed to 1) win, and 2) be a great president.
So, yeah, loyalty to the Democratic party doesn’t mean much to me.
NOW it’s time for some more coffee.
And it’s time to thank all of you for being here.
We’re growing a great family here at No Quarter. Each of you is making a big contribution, in all of your writings and your comments, to making sense out of this insane, confusing mess.
Together, we’ll stay strong and keep fighting for what is right. And for what is needed: Which is a president who CAN do the job and who CAN improve the lot of all Americans in this country and who CAN restore our standing around the world.
AND HERE’s THE FROSTING ON THE CAKE — another one of Miss Donna Brazile’s nasty e-mails:
From: Donna Brazile
Subject: RE: Switching to Republican Party - I’m a Hillary supporter
Date: May 7, 2008 7:48 PMHonestly, this is the 9th email today, so I believe you’re ready to not only destroy Roe versus Wade, voting rights, civil liberties and civil rights. Perhaps adding trillions more to the deficits through non stop tax cuts to the wealthy and 100 more years in Iraq.
Yes, please join Rush and McCain asap. The train has left. Catch it.
Please don’t send these emails to working people like myself. Notice you sent it to my campus address. I am a working class person. Can you find someone who drinks latte?
Message to the base: stay home.
What i want to know: HOW MUCH MONEY does the Democratic party pay this idiot? How many dollars of the donations from struggling blue-collar loyal Democrats does this woman seize and spend on her wardrobe, her coif, her lattes, her lavish lifestyle?
She’s not worth one penny. And she needs to be gone. Like yesterday.
Want more on how to rig an election?
Notice how Obama camp always pushes for early voting, that is an old Chicago trick to sway outcomes as needed by a precinct captain! Something along what was going on in Lake County!
Now some info for you, Indiana and most states use the Diebold Accu vote machine, as pointed out on the Indiana Sec of State website, so check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5VeaMZ9Fb0
Now how can you sway the paper ballots? watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZKfP1ObSaU
Now go back to the leaked Obama spreadsheet forcast on the election outcomes, how can someone predict so far in advance all the outcomes that is almost right on the money? Only way, fix is in Chicago style!
Same happened with caucuses, stack them knowing you will have enough people to win, done easily!
All it takes is a Precinct captains with a rigged pass card to do what you saw above!
If the prediction isn’t coming out as planned state wide, the early votes swing it to the candidate and take Lake county, 10% in one city of early votes of an entire county, enough to swing things!
Take a look at the maps in each Primary state, who won the major areas and the rate of the wins are high enough to make the outcome close enough to win!
Missouri had a major blimp towards the end in non reporting areas, and it went to Obama, strange outcome, like Indiana, yet not caught, as an example, Ohio, two counties held back, Obama counties, same thing, Texas same thing, the hold back counties were always Obama counties!
Let’s not forget the multiple reports of how Michelle needed to be convinced that they’d win and her father was for years a Precinct Captain before his death, so she knows a thing or two!
Think the fix was in Chicago style?
Mel you nailed it!! And if Hillary’s folks don’t go into that May 31st meeting and lay the cards on that table with all the election fraud that has taken place nationwide by the Obamabots and camp..then they don’t deserve to win..I just have a feeling that that is what is planned by Camp Hillary..they will keep it quiet if and only if Fla and Mi are counted as voted…and the Hillary folks will leave the room quietly..but on the other hand if the R&B do not count Fla and MI as voted..they will go public with all the proof and facts and they will go big time public with the info..and destroy their little lord Obama!
If the Hillary Camp does not do that..then they don’t want to win..in my book..hell i know that the cheating was documented by many of us in Iowa..and many many were lawyers working for Edwards..i know the guy i worked as co-captain with.. at a large caucus was a big time attorney from San Fran..he told me to write down what happened that night..
Then many of us were asked to email our experience to Clinton camp approx two weeks before the Texas election so they would know what to look for …
I wrote a long documentation of the cheating i saw and experienced at the caucus i worked ..and it was sent to someone in the hillary camp.
It was all done quietly, and respectfully.
I do know from my experience working at banning DRE voting machines here in Fla that the one thing the dems are scared shitless of is letting the public know that our American voting is an illusion at best and rigged at worst.
The dem party is scared shitless people will stay home because they “don’t believe their vote counts”..
You can’t rig an election when there are few votes…you need lots to work with!..( i.e. 11,000 absnetee ballots???????)
so when the voting machine tabs don’t match what you need …you start dumping absentee ballots………
I believe Clinton camp has proof of voter “irregularity” shall i say….they damn well better have it and they better be prepared to use it.
I have a gut feeling they do.
and will.
but this is just my feeling..i could be dead wrong..
dead dead wrong..
but there is still a huge stink in Texas..and in Guam…and if Team Hillary doesn’t have proof..then they aren’t trying!!
just my 2 cents..
fly
Does that explain all those extra and missing ballots in Guam?
i sure would be having lawyers in Guam looking into it..wouldn’t you??????and gathering proof of what happened in A HIGHLY HILLARY SUPPORTING AREA….
i know here in Fla..just in my county in 2004.. that Kerry lost by a very slim margin..our supervisor of elections ..lost absentee ballots ..that were in a big box..under a desk in her office!!
opps …they weren’t found in time to be certified…
get the drift?????
fly
All the more reason why I don’t think it will mean anything. Look what happened in 2000 & 2004. It didn’t make a difference then and it won’t now. I’m not saying Clinton won’t make her case. I’m saying that it will fall on deaf ears. If this was the other way aroud and Obama was claiming cheating by the Clintons the MSM would be all over it.
Not to mention the media will portray her as a nutcase if she does this.
i would have lawyers all over that..and i would also have computer geeks on hand as well!!
fly
But according to Brazile: the message to the base is stay home. I think that’s exactly what they want. It’s the only way Obama will have a fighting chance against McCain if the base stays home. Whcih is why I don’t think the DNL will care what proof Hillary has, they’ll just call her bluff to go public and why would she when the MSM is not on her side and won’t report it.
Also bear in mind that many of the Republican Conservative base may stay home. IMO, all of these factors levels the playing the field for Obama. Once the ‘bitter white working class vote’ is neutralized, then the AA vote will figure higher.
Re the latino vote, maybe Richardson is on board to be VP. If that’s in play then they figure to get a substantial margin of their votes. And don’t tell me about Richardson not being liked in the latino community. If he is bilingual, he’ll mobilize quite a few, not all, but enough to make a difference if the white vote stays home.
Brazile is a little biit too cocky for something not to be up.
However, I wonder if she knows that her career is over after this election? She won’t even be plant food after November. I mean, who would want and idiot who doesn’t even know enough to push the ‘delete’ button on emails and not respond. That is too stupid.
mimi, i tend to agree. brazile wouldn’t be so brazen in telling us to “join rush and mccain” if she didn’t somehow believe that they actually can win without us. i think they’re counting on us staying home, rather than voting for mccain. i’m holding my nose and voting mccain.
i’m wondering if what makes them so confident isn’t some more of that lovely fraud they enjoy so much in the obama campaign. maybe some of the gazillions he’s getting from hamas and the like, rather than the claimed everyday people, are going to pay the diebold people megabucks?
you know democracy is dying when a former president who monitors other countries’ elections says two u.s. states shouldn’t have their voices heard and votes counted.
so very sad. we’re officially a banana republic.
There’s another issue that is also worrying me. Everyone seems to think if Obama gets the nomination, the newsjackals will turn on him and start supporting McCain. I’m not so sure. If there is one thing consistently true of Obama, it is that he always does the bidding of his big bucks backers, even at the expense of his middle class or poor constituents (Maytag union workers), even when those constituents are AAs (Rezko unheated apartments).
McCain is not much better, but on several very important issues has been willing to take an independent stand more favorable to ordinary people and contrary to the interests of the corporations that control the media.
So why should the MSM support McCain, who can be counted on to see things their way only 95% of the time, when Obama will do whatever they want 100% of the time? Russert and Andrea Mitchell and Brian Williams are not real journalists — they’ll say whatever GE tells them to; and the other networks are no better. So I’m not convinced big media will be in McCain’s pocket; I think they might well find Obama a more compliant and attractive tool for their machinations. Which makes it all the more important for Hillary to get the nomination.
That had never occurred to me. I’ve been assuming that the superannuated frat rats of the M$M [or the Corporate Holodeck Media, as I like to call them] were just favoring Obama over Clinton because they are more sexist than they are racist, but would support their beloved McSame in the general election race.
I hadn’t thought that maybe enough members of the misruling class are smart enough to see that they’re actually better off with moderately conservative Democrats than demented far-right Republicans [or Elephascists, as I like to call the GOP], and so might direct their house slaves in the M$M to favor Obama over even McSame.
The press will even tell you why they like him: access.
They love to be considered “insiders” and in on the “scoop”.
Been like that for about 20 years. They’re not sacrificing him, as no other politico gives them such front row seats.
No her message is you are no longer the base, get lost.
The question is: how do we organize to oust Brazile? She is completely unprofessional and irresponsible in her incendiary comments. And she wants to “unite the party?” What a joke. I love the “I’m a working class person.” Right. And how much does CNN pay her for her “unbiased” commentary? She’s got to go. I say we make that a goal. Who knows how to mobilize that action in an effective way?
Gently, as she can play 3 cards.
1. She’s Black.
2. She’s Catholic.
3. She’s a Lesbian.
Now you know why she’s so smug (and can get away with some clearly unprofessional emails, that would sink other careers).
Yes, Richardson is bilingual (he grew up in Mexico City) and he is–or was*–very popular here in New Mexico.
*Don’t know how well known he is to non-New Mexican Hispanics, though, or how much his presidential run and/or his endorsement of Obama may have hurt him here in La Tierra Encantada.
Outside of Mexican-Americans I can ASSURE you other Latinos don’t give a rat’s ass about Richardson and in fact despise him as a traitor.
Cubans tend to vote Republican anyway.
mimi — I don’t think Brazile is cocky — I think its just the opposite. Brazile has convinced Dean that a new coalition of Democrats is out there and they can toss their base under a bus. But she is not sure of herself and she is not that smart. If she is wrong she will be responsible for a debacle in the Democratic Party which will destroy it. Or maybe thats the agenda. At stake are the American people who they fear angering and the wild card Hillary Clinton, who will not go along with this.
A couple of months ago I heard her say that she would rather hang with Republicans than Democrats. I wonder who Donna is really working for–but then I have wondered who Obama is really working for. I think her attacks on White workers and Hispanics which has been echoed by Howard Dean, David Axelrod and Obama himself says it all — these people do not stand for the ideals of the Democratic Party. Then we have the statement by Amanda Powers, former Foreign Policy Advisor to Obama saying that he is uncomfortable with so many elections — he feels it confuses people and he would like to see less elections.
In my opinion–these people want to destroy the Democratic Party and preach Unity which means that we all stand together and support one President. And where does Bloomberg fit into all this? Haven’t heard much lately about Bloomberg’s Unity Party to which every candidate had to pledge–or he would get in the race himself. There is a bigger picture here. Something is brewing for top Democrats to say we don’t need the Hispanic vote or that of white workers. If you notice in all Hillary’s speeches she stresses that she is for all Americans. I pray she runs as an Independent. She could stop this.
The Fix is In..Bought and Sold..
I will Never Vote for a Pretender like Obama..
He should be running on His Own Ticket…call it something like SDS…or the “Axelrod” Party..
http://elections.foxnews.com/
PLS VOTE
***** should hillary drop out ******
*******pls vote*******
pls paste it everywhere on hillary websites *****
we wanna give a pic that we want her
I will vote - I will vote for Hillary, even if I have to write her in on the ballot in November.
The fix (be it Chicago or otherwise) has always been in. That’s a given. My cousin, Adlai Stevenson, who ran for President and lost to Eisenhower and the Chicago boys who didn’t think they could run Adlai)was a victim of that fix. They didn’t like egg heads back then.;)
Back to basics. Donna Brazile has been a long time friend of Karl Rove. They used to meet a couple of times a week for lunch here in DC.
Karl is still playing politics.
Here’s the deal:
(1) The current figures according to Rove show that Hillary can and will beat McCain, so get rid of Hillary.
(2) Put in Obama. He’s arrogant enough so that he really thinks he can win. The Demo-dumbs who run the Democratic National Committee (Dean, etc.)are too stupid to realize they being are played … again … or too greedy, fat, and rich to care.
(3) Run Obama versus McCain.
(4) Put all the other dirt that’s been dug up about Obama that you haven’t heard about yet and Obama loses … or everybody hates Mrs.Obama so much they vote for McCain just avoid hearing her tirades for four years. Eyes are rolling among regular staff at the White House at the thought of Mrs. O as boss, as we speak.
(5) Day after the election Obama sits there wondering what happened, along with Dean and Donna and company. Why? Cause Karl hasn’t clued Donna into the the rest of the plan, which is Obama loses.
(6) If by some very strange accident Obama does win, Karl hasn’t lost. Neither has Wall Street (Republican mega bucks guys). Obama, in the interests of reaching across the aisle, will do as the money guys say.
We regular people will be gutted. I can kiss my medicare, social security and other helpful things like Roe vs. Wade, goodbye.
See you all in the steets. My camp will be under the 405 overpass near the Veterans Administration. The pickings are pretty good there I’m told.;)
Salliort, this gets my “Most Interesting Comment of the Day” Award. Congrats!
I’ve got a nice, sturdy cardboard box I’ll bring.
saliort — You got this covered. Great Post.
THANKS MEL….In Texas there was also ILLEGAL CAUCUSING BY INELEGIBLE
VOTERS…in Heavily favored Obama precincts….and Intimidation….Anyone who looks at the Texas Map can see it…..
Boy was that ever inarticulate. But I hope you get the gist of what I’m trying to say.
I do know what you DO get it.
It was very articulate.
Dont waste your time with the democratic elite, in the end, Obama has been exposed as a criminal, and a lightweight, a traitor, that is significant.
Those who support him have lost their credibilty, weakened inextricably.
So let’s get rid of them, we see the cracks.
Again, the lord works in mysterious ways, don’t give up hope, there is always reason to the madness.
Jesus Christ, and I thought impassioned Obama supporters were tough on Hillary! Obama’s been exposed as a criminal and a traitor? What kind of crazy pills have you been taking? You’re just pissed because the candidate you preferred lost. Get over it! This is how electoral politics works. You can sit around pontificating about the supposed “electability” of Clinton, but the majority of progressives who came out to vote in these primaries had a different opinion of who’s going to be electable this fall. It’s not about what race you are, your economic class, your blue-collar credentials or any of that. It’s about people! That’s what the Obama campaign has understood about this race and what the Clinton campaign has, unfortunately, been unable to grasp. We have bigger fish to fry, people. Namely, John McCain. Let’s not tear each other apart over this petty bullshit and get down to the business of burying the republicans in the sand where they belong!
Is he a criminal and a traitor, yes or no?
And if he is, you’re defending a lie, really think now, oofy.
You’re not bright.
Hey, cool headed, hear about the teletubby who drowned in a can of Campbell’s soup?
He thought he could take over the nation with tomato…
LOL
Comedy is not your strong suit.
The burden of proof is on you if you’re going to make ridiculous statements like that. I’m actually glad he knows Ayers and Dohrn (sp?). I also agree with Rev. Wright. I’ve read my history and I know that the U.S. is very far from perfect. If it makes you a traitor for associating with people who acknowledge that, then so be it.
Is that your right brain speaking because according to Pastor Wright….Depending on your race you may not have the ability to analyze or dance…..are you a fan of EUGENICS….COOLHEADED…
So because I agree with the statement that was replayed endlessly on TV, then I have to agree with everything he believes? I know you probably won’t believe this, but just because I’m an Obama supporter it doesn’t mean I’m incapable of independent thought. Thanks for insulting my intelligence and not responding to the content of my post, though.
Because you agree with Pastor Wright….You admit that you are Racist….Marxist….and believe in the phony science called EUGENICS….HEY IT WORKED FOR ADOLF AND THE GANG…..YOU ARE A FASCIST…..I would change your moniker Coolheaded….You embarrass yourself….
Ok, you’re just being ridiculous. Obviously you didn’t even read my response. Hitler was a vegatarian, and I like vegatables, so according to your warped logic, I must have thought the holocaust was a good idea! Do you know how stupid you sound?
This is not a legal proceeding, dumbass, so any burden of proof is on Obama, since he’s the one running for office and who presumably would want our votes. Oh, silly old me, I forgot, Donna, Dean and Obama don’t want our votes.
He has to PROVE he’s not a criminal and a traitor to our country? That doesn’t seem too fair to me. And don’t call me dumbass. I’m not calling you names, and when you do that, you only prove that you have nothing of true substance to say anyway.
Again, the best you can do is accuse people of not being smart.
Obama is neither a criminal nor a traitor and has not been exposed as such, except in your tiny little view of reality, which is quite disconnected from the real world.
He isn’t a traitor. Hillary isn’t a traitor.
If the democratic party implodes, it will be your fault.
We are reaching out to you, you are the rejectionists.
Its not too late, put aside all of your bitterness and hate, come join the winning team.
No, if the democratic party implodes (and it will if Obama is nominated) it will be the fault of little pricks like you who can do nothing but insult people.
Come join the winning team? You’re supporting McCain?
Why do you have to call me a prick? I’m not trying to insult people here. Sorry if it came off that way. You need to grow up and elevate your discourse.
I tried being polite the first time I posted here too. I like Obama and Hillary. If she gets the nominations I’ll happily vote for her in the general. These people all say they’re voting McCain over Obama, so that tells me they aren’t Democrats anyway. The site is ran by a former CIA operative, and it wouldn’t surprise me if this was a Limbaugh style Operation Chaos at work.
I’m no longer a Democrat after being one all my life.
Thanks to Obama and his supporters.
So move along, pal. You’re blocking exellent commentary.
I registered to be a DEMOCRAT in 1973 and have NEVER voted for ANY Republican, EVER. I detest them.
Thank yourself for my leaving the party. It’s assholes like you and all your other little mindless trolls that made me a Hillary supporter. You people had the nerve to call Bill and Hillary Clinton RACISTS. Two people who have spent most of their lives fighting for civil rights are RACISTS, according to Obamarhoids. Kiss my typical white ass. I am so finished with the Democratic Party. I can’t wait to see your boy go down in flames.
If you change party affiliation, and choose your candidate based off anonymous blog messages then you aren’t mature enough to be voting anyway.
I didn’t. I called Jason a prick. Why ever would you think I meant you? My reply was clearly posted under Jason’s comment. What I called you was a dumbass (see above).
ROTFLMAO!
Yes, she did call me a prick. Its the typical response here, they can’t make valid arguments on the facts so they just throw around insults.
This is why I’m a prick:
Clearly I’m a prick.
“If the democratic party implodes, it will be your fault.”
Actually, I would love to be the reason the Democratic Party implodes.
It’s all about me. In a Democracy I have that privilege.
Now go reach out and touch someone who doesn’t understand demographics, who knows that there will be no caucuses in the GE, who lets you piss in their face and call it rain.
Oooooh…..MIMI…….Excellent rejoinder…..
oH my MIMI..MUSIC TO MY EARS!!! sooo excellent..especially the pissing being rain!!
got me lol here!!!
these little newbies..think we were born yesterday and haven’t seen their childish tactics before..how pathetic they are!!
They are too green to know ..we have been there..and we were ones who rejected it in our own generation!!
they are truely pathetic!!
Hillary has 40% lead in WV..hahahahahaha….
guess the obamabots don’t need the white vote eh?????????
and they come here and try their insulting bullshit…go away trolls..you make it worse each and every day you come here…
I was for Edwards..and you have made me a stauch Hillary supporter with your antics!!
it was your troll bullshit that had me send my first $500.00 contribution to Hillary!!
keep it up!!
I will vote McCain instead of Mickey Mouse!!
fly
mimi — YOU GO GIRL ^5 ^5
Stuff a sock in it along with your condescending remarks.
reply to CoolHeaded…to quote you..
“but the majority of progressives who came out to vote in these primaries had a different opinion of who’s going to be electable this fall. It’s not about what race you are, your economic class, your blue-collar credentials or any of that. It’s about people! ”
psssssssssssss…you might want to get on page with your lovely Donna Brazile..you know the lady who stole my vote ….she had something different to say ..for all the world to see and hear on CNN…
fly
I don’t really give a shit about Donna Brazile. And you shouldn’t either. She’s just another talking head. So, you’ve voted, voiced your opinion, and you’re sticking with Hillary. That’s perfectly okay. But the point I guess I was trying to make in my post was that if you’re going to vote for McCain in the fall if Hillary doesn’t get the nom, then you were never a progressive in the first place. The republicans are gonna need all the help they can get in the fall, and if you want to provide them with it, go ahead.
then you were never a progressive in the first place
what. utter. bullshit.
AND.. Donna Brazille is NOT just another talking head. She’s akin to Bill Kristol, who always gets listed as “editor of the standard” when he’s a founder of PNAC which influences policy. She’s a party heavy weight, who is vastly influencing the DNC’s handling of the blocking of FL/MI.
The repugs aren’t going to need help. Obama and their “undeclared” surrogates have said and done enough to sink his candidacy on their own.
Brazealot also holds office within the DNC….
She and Dean the Putz are named in sme Law Suits due to their mis-management of the DNC…
For the record, I never considered myself a Progressive. I was a loyal Democrat until recently. Have the voting record to prove it.
Now run along back to Axelrod and company and tell him these talking points aren’t working and that they’ll have to come up with a whole new set.
oh no no no no no honey..it was Donna Brazile in the capacity of the dnc who stole my vote in Fla…and Dean and Obama..all gtied togetgher..you may be stupid and naive..but i worked on getting the voting machines removed from florida and the bill that removed them with no damn help from dean or Donna..or anyone at the DNc or dem party..go sell your bullshit elsewhere..
oh and it was my hubby and i who helped pay ( the biggest amount) for an audit of our DRE machines..only to have the state auditor sit here for 2 days and amdit that no audit was possible…
oh and the four people who got the bill before our state congress just got the highest award given in the state of Florida by the ACLU…
that was the very bill the republicans attached the amendment to change the primary date..
and how did Dean and Brazile award the citizens of florida..unlike the aclu..they stole our votes!
so go stick it …I have paid dearly to have our votes count here in Florida both with work on the ground and financially..only to see Dean Brazile and Obama now steal my minority families votes!
go away…
I know damn well what Donna Brazile has done to the voters of the democratic party..so save your bullshit for someone who doesn’t know better or is as ignorant as you are ..it won’t sell with me baby!!
fly
So if Hillary wins the popular vote she should be the nominee, right?
I think that the popular vote should be seriously considered along with a number of other factors. However, the delegate count is what has historically been the measuring stick. Changing the rules to be advantageous for the losing candidate is not a very democratic thing to do.
1. The rules did not say Obama had to pull out of Michigan, just not to campaign.
2. Obama put money (aka campaigned) in MI by telling people to vote for uncommitted. HE broke the rules.
3. Both their names were on FL; yet he was the one that campaigned there (a dinner and ad time). He broke the rules.
4. Now, the rules say that if any statesmoved their primary up, they’d lose HALF (not all) their delegates. And yet, no one is seating those half; doing so would validate the popular vote, which would then give Clinton the edge. BO and co. (ala Brazille and Dean and Pelosi) have blocked any effort to get a revote.
5. SC also moved their primary up. They broke the rules. But their delegates are still being seated and counted.
6. Having said all that, the RULES state that the Credentials committee can hear arguments for/against seating and counting ANY delegate (including and especially those from states where repugs played a role in getting the dates moved up).
So don’t play the stupid RULZ game. The rules allow for FL/MI to be seated AS IS.
PS. Historically? What since McGovern? Good analogy. Fitting.
Good show!
I’m copying & pasting for future reference. YOu will get credit for this astounding list. Thanks ces!
Yes, historically. As in, in the past? And just so you know, I really want MI and FL to be seated. I think that’s extremely important for a lot of reasons. Even if that means more delegates for Hillary, so be it. I don’t think she’s making a very convincing argument for it, though, but I digress.
I’ve gotta say, I’ve been fed up recently with all of the Obama worship over at Kos and places of their ilk. I don’t think it’s healthy to build up these grand expectations that he’s the second coming of Christ, or some other ridiculousness. So I thought I’d check out a “pro-Clinton” site to see if I could get a more level headed perspective of things. Granted, I support Obama, so I do have some bias, but I don’t worship the guy, and he’s not even as liberal as I’d like him to be, and I realize I’m in the minority on that. But I really don’t appreciate the condescending tone, the vitriolic, hate-spewing, toxic rhetoric around here. You guys are WAY WORSE than the Kos folks. And that’s saying a lot. I don’t think you are making your arguments much stronger either by putting down all Obama supporters as delusional idiots who would jump off a cliff for him if he asked. I have a mind of my own, thank you very much.
Don’t whine. It’s so unattractive in an Obamabot.
If we’re worse than Kos, GO BACK THERE! Why do you people come here? You’re obnoxious. Most Obamarhoids WOULD jump off a cliff for him. That’s the point. Now, why don’t you go back to the orange nut house where you’re wanted.
Um, where in my speaking to the RULES did I use “the condescending tone, the vitriolic, hate-spewing, toxic rhetoric” or call you a “delusional idiot”?
You spoke to the rules, and I listed the rules.
I spoke to your statement, didn’t call you any names, and all you come back with “you don’t play nice”? Responses like that validate any condescension afforded it.
And obviously you missed the reference to McGovern, or chose not to share your thoughts. Try Google or read back a post or two. McGovern got his ass handed to him in the GE, despite him being anointed in a Democratic CAUCUS-based primary system. If you miss the relevancy, it’s not our problem.
Well, you insulted me because I used the word “historically.” This is not the first time a primary has been decided by a delegate count. So, I believe what I said is accurate. As far as my statement about the toxic rhetoric, all you have to do is scroll up and down this page to see that. I think you are all involved in the same kind of mindless groupthink that you find at the pro-Obama blogs. Many people here have called me names, one in particular has been especially hateful. So, if you think you’re doing a service to your candidate by bashing anyone with an alternative viewpoint, you are sorely mistaken.
Here’s a little tidbit of information that you’ve so conveniently ignored when discussing the irrelevance of the caucus states: Obama has won just as many primaries as Clinton has. Nothing you can say will change that.
1. I never said caucus STATES were irrelevant.
2. I never said caucuses themselves were irrelevant.
3. I DID say that “historically” speaking, the guy who wanted the caucus, and was blindly supported by the party, OVER the will of the majority of primary voters, LOST BIG TIME.
That is not having an alternative viewpoint, that is fact.
If you want to see mindless groupthink, see the media coverage of Texas caucuses. I know. I was there. I saw it. And it was all Obama folk.
4. Of course, SINCE McGovern we have had the delegates to allow the MINORITY of Democrats decide who the nominee is, rather than who the majority of registered Democrats want as their pick. And again, I’m pointing out that the party elite picking our nominee over someone who has shown to win more votes from Democrats, the DEM nominee is going to LOSE BADLY. So you trying to use history as the basic of your argument shows the weakness of your argument for Obama.
5. I can’t control what others say on this site. I think NQ is a lot better than the other obamablobgs, because dissenting views like yours have a voice. That is, people don’t get banned or ganged up on by diary writers writing hit diaries. And if you know the history of this site, Larry has real reasons for backing Clinton, or at least being skeptical of Obama. Read up about that, please. So, after the other blogs became O-can-do-no-wrong-worship-sites, NQ and a couple others were all we Garlic Noses, TWP, bitter folk ended up here, because it was the only place to discuss our misgivings about Obama without being called racist or being outright banned. After awhile of being labeled all these things by Obama, his wife, his campaign, his surrogates, and his supporters that drop in to thumb their noses at us, you’re damn right we’re pissed. But please don’t say I’m calling you names or make general statements about the site in reference to me; start a new comment thread for that.
6. When speaking of those primaries, and especially considering Obama’s pushing for Dems For A Day (DFAD), do you honestly believe they will NOT vote for McCain in November?
yes and the Florida Citizens who fought for the bill to ban DRE voting machines in Fla and mandate Voter Verified Paper Ballots the very bill the republicans attached an amendment to change the primary date change to ..just recieved the highest award THE FLORIDA ACLU GIVES OUT!
Flyarm there is so much Irony in that Floridians were attempting to fix the voting machines and got screwed by another machine….And the DNC is brain dead.
I am sure it it is not lost on the Floridians. for 12 years in a row…
Like the GUY says in Fourth of July….
to the DNC “UP YOURS”
i would love to post the ACLU press release..but don’t want the people involved harrassed by the obamabots..
yes Teak… the irony… though, is not being lost on Fla voters..the anger increases daily!! By very loyal hard working democrats..where i am and i was a delegate for a very large county here in Fla..and run a large internet group here in Fla.
there is no way Obama will ever get their votes..never!!..maybe the rest of the country doesn’t know the whole story..but i assure you ..the dems here damn well do!
fly