Terry McAuliffe Blames Howard Dean for the Florida Mess
By SusanUnPC on May 12, 2008 at 7:42 PM in Barack Obama, DNC, Delegates, Democrats, Florida, Howard Dean
I tell you, between watching more and more of Fox News and reading more and more conservative blogs, I’m having to check myself to make sure I’m not getting unduly influenced by the right. (Not really, but I find that I get a lot more news and realistic appraisals by exposing myself to a broader spectrum than the narrow views of “liberal” thinking.) Anyway, once again, it’s a conservative blog that notes McAuliffe’s on-mark criticisms of Dean and expresses it just right:
From Hot Air blog:
Schieffer’s trying to play gotcha with McAuliffe here [on Sunday’s CBS Face The Nation], and he’s correct in his assertion at the end that McAuliffe’s political interest plays largely into this analysis. Schieffer misses the point, though, and McAuliffe has this correct. …
The DNC and its chair went overboard in disciplining the two states, creating a mess that has enabled Hillary Clinton to continue her campaign againt Barack Obama and cover herself in the mantle of Florida 2000. She can now claim to champion the disenfranchised voters who went to the polls in good faith, while the Democratic establishment has to now argue for disenfranchisement. It makes a mockery of their rhetoric after the debacle in Florida during the 2000 general election, when they fashioned themselves as the defender of the individual voter (while attempting to block military ballots).
Republicans avoided the problem while still disciplining the states that attempted to hijack the primary schedule. They cut their delegate counts by half, diluting their impact on the nomination and on the platform and rules votes during the upcoming convention. By doing so, they completely avoided the credentials fight that the Democrats must now resolve.
Dean has proven himself completely inept at chairing a national party. …
The last sentence is probably one of the truest things I have ever read. Dean screwed this up big time! And Brazile who led the charge and sought to set an example of the rule breakers.
Dean is uttely INCOMPETENT, and I was so stupid to be a fan of him in 2000.
The first big mistake was the rules and by laws committee stripping them of their delegates.
Then, after Super Tuesday, it was apparent that Florida and Michigan should be resolved. What did Dean and DNC do? Put their head in the sand and HOPED that the problem will go away.
Dean doesn’t have much real power, but he certainly has a megaphone. He could have cut a deal with the state parties regarding the primaries and told the campaigns to deal with it.
The whole mess can demonstrate to voters how incompetent and spineless democrats are, and defeat them in November.
HOPE it goes away - good one.
Yeah - for a while I was defending the DNC telling people don’t talk about voting GOP! The DNC is going to resolve this! They will work it out within the Party. Then I saw how they were willing to not count the votes at all and also not allow a do over! and I was flabbergasted.
a deal is supposedly already done or in the works….i got a letter saying as much today but i am not at liberty to post it..and it doesn’t look good to me..
fly..a 2004 elected delegate of the State of Florida..
Dean is concerned the party is divided?
Then why did he let Obama operatives turn the democratic blogs into Clinton hate mills?
He thought after being kicked in the head for 6 months, we would eagerly jump on the Obama bandwagon?
I hate jumping to bash Dean because I don’t know the whole story. But based on the superficial knowledge I have, he looks like a major villain. It just seems like he used his position and our primary for personal vendetta against the Clintons.
I agree with you……. Dean is someone who is hiding and donna brazile is an Obama supporter so why should she not support Dean…
It’s not enough that I’ve endured months of witnessing “Hillary hate” in the media, on the Internet, etc., and had to listen to calls of “F—-g whore” and “bitch” and “c—t” hurled at the candidate I support. Obama is a ma who has inspired slogans like “Bros before Ho’s” and who, in appearances made after his Pennsylvania debate with Clinton, “flipped off” his opponent and her whole gender. You expect him to defend our rights?
I very much doubt that your choice will win the presidency if he is the candidate. He is no match for McCain and Huckabee (the Republicans’ probable vice presidential nominee). Unlike Hillary, your guy does not connect with and cannot win over the bulk of mainstream working people in America. Huckabee, who is rooted in the religious right and sees women as the “servants of men” is perceived as a “populist” who can “talk the talk” with everyday working people. We need Hillary, with her proven ability to connect with working Americans, in the race to avoid defeat in November.
“Congratulate yourselves on helping the Democrats once again fulfill their historic mission by seizing defeat from the jaws of victory once again.”
I’m beginning to think that $$ have influenced Dean in some way. I’m almost sure Donna Brazile is bought. I still think Hillary gets the nom no matter what is being portrayed in the press. There is no way the SD’s can be quite so irresponsible as to select BO. Blacks will easily come back. If they look at everything, there is really nothing Hillary did to make them support Barack. Wait until they (my own people) find out how they were herded by DB.
Dang video doesn’t work.
Works now though. Weird.
Dean is responsible for the MI and FL mess. But then he does nothing about Donna Brazille’s big mouth either and her alienation of the Clinton supporters. He’s a very weak leader for such an important position.
A bit off topic but I thought this article was interesting.
Strong Majority Of African Americans Want Unity Ticket
By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Mon May 12, 2008 at 06:04:49 PM EST
This is a wonderful finding from an ABC/WaPo poll:
Clinton continues as the preferred choice as Obama’s running mate, with 39 percent of Democrats saying they’d like him to pick her if he’s the nominee. That peaks at 59 percent of African-Americans, 47 percent of Clinton supporters and 42 percent of women (vs. 34 percent of men).
There’s also an indication that Clinton on the ticket would be a slight net plus in the general election: Among all Americans, more say having her run with Obama would make them more likely to vote Democratic (25 percent) than to vote Republican (18 percent). The rest (54 percent) say it wouldn’t make a difference in their choice.
It turns out that the only people against a Unity Ticket are Ted Kennedy, Mark Cohen and Creative Class bloggers. Obama’s strong African American base want unity as do Clinton supporters. The divisive ones are people like Kennedy, Cohen and the Creative Class bloggers. I must admit I feel vindicated by this finding.
By Big Tent Democrat
It turns out that the only people against a Unity Ticket are Ted Kennedy, Mark Cohen and Creative Class bloggers
And me. He will drag her down like an anvil, politically. Obama is about to become the most hated man in America, by anyone who has fundamental reasoning ability.
I’m not including AAs. I think there is a loyalty issue there, nurtured by years of unequal treatment. I can’t begin to judge that.
Agreed.
No entitlement.
Start treating people like special children, and this is the result: a ready made mob, loyal to handouts.
Those “down-scale” Blacks aren’t seeing Obama as some hero (heck, ask the gang bangers; rappers; and hip hop stars what they think about REAL Black heros like MLK, Jr; Booker T. Washington; George Washington Carver; Harriet Truman and more — it’s not praise, because being a pimp with his pimped out ride and flashy cash and hos’, are more important). This “new generation” is seeing payback and some other freebies. They know Dems help to give it to them, as that’s what they’re good for — taxing and spending other folks money, especially the “White guilt” crowd that pays most of the taxes.
It’s like a whole swath of America is blind to this shell game. Like they’re shocked and surprised about “Black Liberation Theology” — when no one is touching Black Muslim militantism either, when they are more of a threat than Hamas, they’re all over in those prisons that about 25% of Black boys and men are incarcinated.
Should be a requirement that everyone live in the South for a year to see all the above in practice. Maybe, just maybe, THEN we can put this cancer to rest.
One thing to address past evils, it’s another to use it as some crutch and baseball bat. More Dems keep buying, “Oh, those poor people” the sooner you’ll find Mr. Pimp putting a 9mm to your head asking for “Mo’ money”, and your fellow Dem next door, saying, “Payback is a bitch, isn’t, Home boy?!”
Wake up folks. It’s not a partisan thing.
You know, I’m a black woman myself, but I’ve never heard it put so properly into words; eventhough I’ve said this myself for years. I abso-freakingly-lutely, AGREE.
and me, i would have to turn my back on hillary if she decided to run for vp with obama, it would turn my view of her upside down.
I WOULD VOTE AGAINST HER….
but i believe the african american community like everyone else supporting him, have been informed, that he will never win without hillary’s people.
especially if we vote mccain…
OH AND THEN THEIR IS THE ‘GUILT’, THEY’VE BEEN UNTRUE YOU KNOW…
I am with you SMKF
I will not vote against Hillary persay….yet I will NOT vote for the Democrats if Obama is anyway on the ticket. I don’t care if Hillary is on top of the ticket!
I do not want that man near our white house!
me neither!
ditto
No unity ticket for me. She doesn’t need him if she wins the nomination and she sure as hell should never, ever take a backseat to him. Just the thought makes my blood boil!
I have the utmost respect and admiration for Hillary Clinton, but I wouldn’t vote for Obama if Jesus Christ were his veep nominee. And I can’t see Michelle allowing this anyway should O get nominated.
He will drag her down like an anvil, politically
Yes, this is another effort to court HRC voters. Their resistance to BO is apparently having a negative effect on his campaign or they wouldn’t be floating this idea.
But the idea of being lectured to by the GOP about fair elections… don’t.make.me.laugh
If Hillary falls for the bait, she’ll be dragged down and blamed for The One’s fall.
Best that she either is nominated, or sit it out. McCain did, and despite the pounding the GOP gave him in 2000, he’s now the nominee.
That way when Barry falls, he’ll fall on his own petard — as the Hillary loyal aren’t around to prop that loser up.
i would not vote for Obama even if Hillary is slated as VP..he would keep her neutered ..and she would be powerless..and he on the other hand would still be the leader of the most powerful nation in the world..no thanks..i can not do that one!
he is a crook..and a dangerous crook..
When i began working politics after 9/11 i did so for the security of all The flying public and all those on the ground under those aircraft..i did it for the security of all Americans..obama is not qualified to be president and to supply the nationakl security for a gant..let alone the Flying public..
no way no how can that man be president..he is a damn crook..and a lying sack of crap..and a damn cheater too boot.
No ..he can not be president.
end of story!
fly
that would be gnat…
I concur! he will drag her down like a ton of bricks!
Too bad. I hope Clinton doesn’t demean herself. Obama has demeaned her enough already, as has the entire party. Why should she bail them out???
If she took VP I would lose the respect I’ve developed for her. Don’t do it, Hillary!
I agree Gloria!
Hillary will be more effective in a different role….not VP.
Clinton = President and Obama = VP might be tolerable. But not the other way around.
Not for me.
I won’t vote for him in any way shape or form.
Something very solid inside me is guiding me on this.
I am right there with you sister. I opposed the War in Iraq from the get go and the same voice is telling me he is a con artist.
Me neither — my gut feeling is solid — No Obama No Way!
The last thing I want is a “unity’ ticket. I am not going for the superior woman holding up the mediocre man. I bet none of them asked Hillary what she thinks. I will not vote for Barack Obama for president no matter who is on his ticket. I feel he is just too dangerous for me and my country. His conflict of interest leads me to the middle east, where I don’t want to go, thanks. I keep saying this, but I believe it, if this goes for him, she will let him hang alone and revisit on the I Told You So Party in four years. Hillary Clinton didn’t bust her ass to be a useless VP.
Exactly, see my post. AAs are now worried that he won’t win and they want a winner on his ticket to make him win — how self-serving is it? I say no way!
The sad thing is children will cry until they get their way, or threaten to have a temper tantrum (riots).
To bad the riots aren’t countered with more Korean shop keepers armed with AK-47s. When more businesses don’t count on insurance to pay off what looters carry off and destroy, the less likely the unruly will want to have their “five finger discount” fantasies.
I don’t like the VP option for Clinton at all. It is the age old sexism of a more qualified female candidate having to sacrifice for the greater good. It is not a good choice and not an inspiration to girls to say this is ok. We have an abundantly more qualified candidate than Obama in Clinton and because of the stupidity of the party elite, the bias of the media, she is now being denied her rightful position and if she is forced to contemplate something inferior and beneath her, it is not a good. That BTD at talkleft is a bit of a pompous guy (I’m holding back, can’t you see..).
That has all the markings of a group of people who want their cake and to eat it as well. These people obviously know that Obama is a screw up who won’t look out for the socioeconomically disadvantaged so they want Clinton as VP because she will. Regardless of how they are currently voting I truely believe these people know the score.
One of the real problems with Obama’s candidacy is that he is woefully qualified for the position and the risidual effect might be to disqualify well qualified and dynamic AA leaders in the near future simply because of their heritage. This may be doubly problematic if Obama actually wins and is a clusterfuck of a president. AA’s simply want to hedge their bets because they know that Clinton is the far superior candidate when it comes to protecting their own interests.
Obama would use hrc as a scapegoat for all his “bonedheaded” mistakes if she were vp. I pray she will NEVER accept such an offer if it comes to that.
And who better than someone who isn’t even Black?
You’ll see the same with Tiger Woods. Despite that golf class IS the most racist I’ve seen (and I mean real racism, not just labeling a sneeze it), they like him because he’s not Black-Black, and they can use him as a token.
Remembered what an avid White woman golfer said about Tiger after winning the Green Jacket (Augusta National): “Don’t you think he’ll look like a Christmas tree with that jacket on?”
Which is basically what Barry is, a “Christmas tree token” to this power base, but the Black community is putting that down “FOR HISTORY!”, as they’re groomed to keep up with the status quo (by the bible; their segregated churchs and neighborhoods).
Powers-that-be mold society to their liking, and jiggling the bait enough folks are going to bite (just look at the media, and how they exploit sex to their advantage).
I am against a Unity ticket. Obama is dirty — Hillary should not be on a ticket with him and get tarred with the same brush.
A large number of the regular commenters at TalkLeft continue to disagree with BTD’s numerous calls for a Unity Ticket.
Many, if not most, are old feminists like me that see a unity ticket with Clinton accepting a secondary position to a lesser qualified man as an insult and completely out of the question.
It is a reaffirmation for all the women that have ever been told to get that one necessary step behind a man that they are second class citizens.
I have no doubt that many liberal women will support this idea because they accept being second class citizens every day of their lives. Some of us have to live with it, but we don’t accept it and we never will.
BTD cares about the good of the party. I say if the party doesn’t have a place at the top for a woman then screw the party!
Some men don’t see that and never will. Some women don’t care and never will. Many of us do and we aren’t going down without a fight and we will not jump on a bandwagon that we think is going the wrong way just because it is “supposedly” a Democrat’s bandwagon.
We may lose, hell we’re used to that. Anyone heard anything about that little thing called the Equal Right’s Ammendment lately? Thought not.
Screw Obama, his surrogates, his supporters and the Democratic Party. They do not speak for or to me.
You certainly are vindicated, BTD. And you definitely changed my mind on the topic.
What I feel is also obvious from this information is that the AA community does not view the Clintons as racists, and that implication by Obama surrogates was never anything more than an unjustified threat to the DNC.
I feel vindicated, too.
As long as HRC heads the ticket. Blacks will not object to this.
I Sorry But I Can’t Agree With That,Mr Obama Need’s To Be Nowhere Near The Whitehouse,He’s To Slimy And His Pimp.I Agree With D4Hillary They (Our People) Will Return And If Not We Only Make Up 12% Of The National Population,And 49% Of That Is In Republicans District.
Here’s The Real Math AA’s Make Up 12% Of Obama’s Voter’s Which Is Roughly Since 2004 When The Consensus Were Done 1.3 Million People Out Of An Estimated 285.7 Million Total People,Which Has Now Grew To A Little Over 304 Million,Whites Make Up 69.9% Since 2004 Of The National Population,Now That Number Is Around 73.3% And African American’s Is Around 1.7 Million Since 2004.
And Hispanic,s Is 14% Since 2004,But Now Averages Around 2.1 Million People,So With This Mathematics I Don’t See Mr Obama Being Anywhere Near K Street,And His Pimp.Now If You Flip The Script Then I Could Possibly Live With That If It’s Alright With Senator Clinton,And I Would Still Have To Give That Some Consideration.Let’s Not Forget Here How She Were Treated By The Media,The Blogs,Her Supposingly Loyal Friends,Who Turned Out To Be Cutthroats.
And By Mr Hussein Himself And Now They Wannnnaaa Make Nice I Say To Hell With Mr Obama,Let Him Work His Ass Off Like Senator Clinton Did For Over 35 Years,And Yes She Deserves The Presidency,She Worked Hard For It,And What Exactly Did You Say Mr Obama Had Accomplished Since He Comandeered The US Senate From Alice Palmer And A Host Of Other Candidates.
That’s What I Thought Not A Single Dam Thing,Which By The Way Is What He Would Do In The Whitehouse.
Schieffer’s a hua.
“[Senator Clinton can] claim to champion the disenfranchised voters who went to the polls in good faith…”
She doesn’t just claim it. She does champion disenfranchised voters. Barack claims it.
Remember: Only 2209 delegates is legit!
But doesn’t that imply that 53% of Clinton supporters DO NOT favor her as a VP for Obama and 58% of women DO NOT favor her as VP?
Speaking only for myself I want her to have no part of him. Not. a. single. thing.
I’ll take her any way, I can’t stand the Unity Pony, but I can’t let Hillary down if she’s VP.
Sure I’ll be pissed, because she is 1,000,000 to the 10th power more qualified, prepared and ready for what’s at stake. But I’ll take her anyway she can.
Are you an Obama shill ?
Take her anyway she can? As a secondary, marginalized, one step behind an under-qualified man? Why would you, why would she accept this?
And if she did do you believe for one moment that Obama and his advisers, that have attacked her so viciously, would allow her one damn moment to outshine their puny little man? What’s wrong with you woman? Have you no pride?
Ditto for me. I trust her judgment.
If she thinks this would move us forward, by inches, then I’ll accept it.
I so think she’s heads above him.
But I do trust her judgment about leading the country.
Yes, it does mean that majority of Clinton supporters and women don’t want her to take the VP position — it annoys me that these surveys put out numbers that suit them rather than the truth. As I said before it is the majority of the AAs wanting the unity ticket — maybe they realize now he can’t win on his own. Where were they when Clinton needed them?
I would rather have Hillary in any role other than VP…..she can not be with that man.
Let the new Democratic party run their candidate!!!
I and the majority of voters will vote for McCain.
Dems (without the elitist leadership) can try again in 2012.
Keep Obama away from the White House
exactly - keep him AWAY!
I agree keep Obama away from the White House.
AMEN …
The last thing she needs for the tireless campaigning she has done is to be marginalized by her tormenters.
Let them lose on their merits. John McCain will do so much less damage in four years than Barack.
Was saying this for the “global warming” types, but it also applies here with statistics…
You know those numbers also tell us something — the supporters who don’t want her in the VP position also don’t want to vote for Obama — of course this is an inference but perhaps true. 53% of Clinton supporters!
The Democratic Party handled Michigan and Florida as if they were reading from the Book of Mao. And The One played it like a good communist party protege - taking his name off of the ballot. (Has any American President ever taken his name off of a primary ballot?)
Meanwhile, the Republicans treated the citizens of Michigan and Florida as if they lived in the United States of America.
I’m not so sure the Democrats should count on Michigan in November.
They are practicing for Obama.
Have you seen the pics of Obama’s head over the rising sun montage used in Mao’s propaganda posters, of late?
Not only will these Far-Left Red Guard types will quote Mao, they even fashioned a representation of Mao II in images!
At this stage, it’s not Hamas we have to worry about, it’s these Maoists (which unlike these splinter groups, actually ran a country and murdered them by the millions — more than Nazi Germany, even).
But to do so, the DP will have to be reinvented, because it has tolerated anarchists; Communists (with their trade unions); Marxists and every other radical political philosophy known to man. Which is why the angst is centered around Hamas, as that’s a new radical belief that grandma dyed-in-the-wool Union worker didn’t engage in — that’s “fair game”.
American politics is a mess of these minefields. Especially when folks don’t want to disarm them, as it’s “family you’re talking about!!!!”
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/
Obama’s May 20 Bash: A Cynical Replay of Election Night 2000
Posted on May 12, 2008 by GRL
Think not??
I’ll take you back to that fateful night in a moment.
But first, listen to strategist David Axelrod on WCCO, the CBS affiliate in Minneapolis, MN the night of the May 8 Indiana and North Carolina primaries. (The video is the top left “thumbnail” located just above the video player in the event the current news plays rather than the Axelrod video; you will also have to endure a short Coldstone Creamery ad).
MORE MORE MORE in the blog post…..tell me it ain’t true!!!
That was not Axelrod in the video (the guy who said inside baseball of delegate situation). I could not even get through what he was saying — it is so wrong. It is an affront to the SDs and I hope they will exercise independent judgment and prove these jokers for the fools they are by voting for Hillary. If that was a reporter talking in that video, it is even worse than I thought it was.
Thank you for stating my suspicion of the DNC and DEAN are valid. It seems the left-wing of this party is hell-bent on shoving Obama down our throats. Senator Clinton has over 16 MILLION VOTES, but that does not seem to matter to this party. In fact, many party members, including members of the House and Senate continue to suggest Clinton step aside. Happily, tomorrow WEST VIRGINIA votes. Perhaps, the results of that contest will give Obama surrogates pause for thought. Let there be no doubt, further attempts to demonize Clinton by Obama zombies WILL DIVIDE THIS PARTY!!
The division is done. It’s 1972. Bye Bye Democrats. See you in a decade or so when a moderate shows up and wins. That is, if you stumblebums don’t get in the way. Again.
Ladies and Gentlemen: Adult don’t let off the cliff radicals and children pick presidents. How many times does it have to be proven to these half wits? The more this man’s past and affiliations play out, the more his followers act like bullies and Ohhhh Rahhhhhh Hitler youths at a rally, the more frightened the middle becomes. And they solve the problem at the polls. The majority of this party is MODERATE. They will cross over to the Old Man. How many times do they have to help hand us our ass on a plate before we get it?
Going over the 2000 primary and GE voting counts, yep!
But I warn Dems, popular vote counts and all don’t matter, because 2000 showed it didn’t (right or wrong folks can’t change history — they’ll try to rewrite it, but history IS history!).
What has Obama done for me? So why should I support him?
My thoughts exactly.
Well, he a gave a speech against the war once, to a bunch of his neighbors, back when he was a state senator and could vote “present” on controversial issues. Don’t forget that.
Of course, we don’t have an actual RECORDING of that speech, but we do have a reenactment recording, with added sound effects of the crowd cheering.
Hmmmm…….FREE IPODS FOR CRACKERS WHO VOTE FOR OBAMA….
** AND A BONUS KEY CHAIN **
With an embossed Obomba logo???
Take the “So why should I support him?” out of the sentence, and use the rest as a slogan (and on the ‘net, as a sig [which I wished this blogged had/allowed!]). It’s catchy, and gets to attention.
It’s an “above the fold” type headline, actually.
The Obamatics can’t think, so questions are your answers.
Better yet, what the hell has Obama done for anyone other than himself? He seems to have done quite well for himself. What about those he was supposed to be representing when he was a State Senator? What about those he is supposed to be representing now that he’s a United State’s Senator? What the hell has he ever done for anyone?
You are correct. It’s all about him. I think 16.7 million people need to be de-programmed. I wonder what percentage of that number are college students and the professors who teach them.
By June 3, we will get to the conclusion of this primary. If you can go to the hillary website. http://www.hillaryclinton.com/ and volunteer to call voters for the upcoming elections.
We can spread the word around that she is still fighting and to vote for her.
SusanUnPC
Look I too read a very broad range of publications and websites. I find that Pat Buchanan’s The American Conservative as horribly un-pc as it can be sometimes to still turn in some pretty dam good reporting. To be honest they had Barack Obama nailed over a year and a half ago. It pretty embarrassing that other journalist and pundits blantantly have stolen from TAC and especially the depised Steve Sailor, the one guy everybody on the web is supposed to not stand but reads anyway. Even big name liberals like Glen Greenwald and Hendrick Hertzberg have admitted to reading TAC. Greenwald has written an article or two for TAC.
Also Lou Dobbs on both his TV and Radio show has been hammering the Michigan and Florida fiasco daily. He too is especially critical of Howard Dean and too a lesser extent the Obama campaign for playing games.
On his radio show Dobbs has been hammering Howard Dean for months on why can’t there be a revote in FL and MI. Dobbs also is highly critical of MSNBC and CNN!!!! for calling the nomination for Obama. Dobbs keeps asking what the hell is wrong with a brokered convention. Last Dobbs has stated that this should be the very last primary season with caucuses. The purpose of a caucus supposedly to pick the most likely candidate to carry your state in the general election. That sure is not what happened with Obama this year.
Question — what if Obama gets the nomination and alot of crap about his hate America pals comes out and he is forced to give up his nomination, does the first runner up Hillary get to be the Nominee?
Good question. I’m going to post it upthread and see if we can get an answer.
He’s actually too PC for Traditional tastes now. The Zionists got on him, so he tapered his rhetoric when they called him basically a Mel Gibson (both are staunch catholics, but Pat isn’t of Mel’s brand of catholicism — the old old catholicism before Vatican II), and Pat adopts some of the Neo-Con rhetoric to suit them, too.
But Traditionals are more into Traditional conservatism. The stuff before the Neo-Cons and Religious Right took over (where I fault even Pat, who put his Catholicism before country). The stuff that allowed the ERA as a plank in the 1940 election. The stuff that made Lincoln and TR crusaders for rights, and that Teddy was also for women to vote (not drowning them; nor raising a new generation that would rape them — no, I don’t like Teddy Kennedy at all). The stuff about country, and true patriotism — why we DO eat up the John Wayne stuff and don’t think it’s corny; or cry when the anthem is played knowing the real price of freedom.
Neo-Cons came and now what liberals see is the trash on the doorstep. Just like Traditionals see with the liberal brand of radicals.
Old conservatives and old liberals have much more in common: they like their education in the Classics (and lovers of history, that is, unrevised history these “kids” decided to fiddle with) as a guild of actual good government; are about policies not fashion (the “pop” issues of the day, that are as fleeting as a boy’s virginity in a whorehouse); and believe in more measured progress (you know real progress that stands the test of time, not this new label, “progressive”?), as they read, study and uphold the Founders vision of the country — not Marx, not Stalin and certainly not Mao.
We’re not William Kristols or Al Gores, thank you.
Which is why you get either of us in a room, and we can be like friends. Just different ideologies, not different species looking to make each extinct.
Unfortunately, we are rare (even rarer are those who didn’t bite into that Religious-Atheist poison apple). Which is why the “kids” are running the show, to our horror.
It’s official. 64% of the Dems want Hillary to REMAIN in this race.
http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Vote2008/story?id=4837828&page=1
ABC/Wall Street Journal Poll
As one of the pundits on Fox News this morning said “Who knows whats going to happen tomorrow–nobody is ready to see this race over.”
Because the networks are eating up the profits for keeping it all alive.
The pundits want it over, so they can chew out the other side’s butthole (”hey, it’s a living”). The powers-that-be want it over so they can hurry up with their empty-suit (which pockets are filled with their cash), can get on his throne — that toilet he’ll rule of 10001 special interests and terrorists.
Mao would be so proud of what America has turned into. :rolleyes:
Howard Dean spoke about the Florida vote in an interview on NPR Mar. 5th. Below are two exerpts from that interview.
“The problem with Florida, moving forward, was not only was it incredibly disrespectful to all the other states who voted for and kept their word, it also stepped on South Carolina which was our way of including large numbers of African-Americans in the process to select the Democratic nominee, who cannot become president without a large number of African-Americans winning in November.”
And Howard said, “We’re not interested in disfranchising Florida and Michigan voters. They’re important to us. But what we are saying is we have to be respectful of the other 48 states who stuck by the rules, played by the rules and we most certainly have to be respectful of the candidacies of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, who knew what the rules were, and changing the rules halfway through the game is incredibly unfair to both of those candidates and frankly would split the Democratic Party. So we’re not going to do it.”
Howard vehemently states “So we’re not going to do it.” and ignores the fact that the republican controlled state legislature changed the Florida primary date, not democrats. Clearly Florida voters were tossed over the cliff to enable African Americans in South Carolina to choose our presidential nominee.
That’s what it sounds like to me. Stacked deck.
Dean’s a complete idiot. It was the Republicans in those states who set the primary dates.
Let’s Disenfranchise Democrats for Republicans Dean”