Cry, Bots, Cry
By SusanUnPC on May 13, 2008 at 5:59 PM in Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton
V noticed these salient quotes from the Financial Times article that spell bad news for “The One”:
No Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916, yet Mr Obama appears to have little chance of winning there in November. Recent opinion polls indicate that Mrs Clinton would narrowly beat Mr McCain in the state but Mr Obama would lose by nearly 20 percentage points.
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“If he is the nominee, the Democrats have no chance of winning West Virginia,” said Missy Endicott, a 40-year-old school administrator. “He doesn’t understand ordinary Americans.”
Hell, Missy, he has no prayer of winning the national race in November.
He can’t even carry Massachusetts at this point! EVEN GEORGE McGOVERN carried Massachusetts in the humiliation of Nixon’s landslide victory against him. Right now, Obama is running even — 47/47% — against McCain in Massachusetts!
TexasDarlin’s story yesterday, “Clinton’s Rural Advantage” spelled it out in part:
[THE SECTION PRECEDING HAS SOME EXCELLENT MAPS THAT ILLUSTRATE THE CLINTON ADVANTAGE IN RURAL AREAS.]
>Hillary has hit her stride in small towns and rural communities across the country, connecting with working class voters with a populist appeal reminiscent of Bobby Kennedy. For those who have followed Hillary Clinton’s life and career, we know it’s genuine. You can see the joy on her face when she’s working the rope line in town squares, even at the end of a 16-hour day. Of course Obama’s “bitter” moment aided her, but cinching this demographic segment is a crucial achievement that Clinton has earned for the Democrats. And, you might say…one benefit of this extended primary season that some party members are anxious to end.
A Democratic pollster for the Wall Street Journal and NBC News said it well:
Rural and small-town voters are the best indicators of whether a candidate is connecting with the values of Middle America. “They are America. Too often Democrats end up with candidates who can speak only to metro America. If you can speak to [rural and small-town America], then you relate to the rest of America.”Pay attention, folks. These are General Election swing voters needed to reach 270 electoral votes.
Swing voters.
And no one understands that better than the superdelegates, many of whom rely on these same voters for their own re-elections. …
The SDs (SuperDelegates) seem determined to give the Democrats another bitter defeat come November. It is maddening given the clear fact that Hillary Clinton has a fighting chance in all the big electoral states, and those crucial rural areas.
I cannot fathom their thinking, except to guess that it is that they want to be a part of the group that is annointing “The One” with a brief victory before the slaughter come November.
In his latest column which is about the race card being employed against the Clintons, Pat Buchanan also points out the electability problem that Obama faces. I’ve HIGHLIGHTED the portion of Buchanan’s column that most pertains to the electability issue that we’re discussing here:
Last week came Hillary’s turn. After her victory in Indiana and loss in North Carolina, which pundits said rang down the curtain on her presidential bid, she advanced an argument candidates have used since primary elections began. “I can win — and my opponent can’t.”
The argument was made against Goldwater, Nixon, Reagan.
In an interview with USA TODAY, Hillary argued that the coalition she has put together would be stronger against John McCain than the coalition Barack has cobbled together.
She began by relating an AP article “that found how Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”
“There’s a pattern emerging here,” said Hillary. “I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on.”
This shot Eugene Robinson of The Washington Post into low orbit.
“As a rationale for why Democratic Party super-delegates should pick her over Obama, it’s a slap in the face to the party’s most loyal constituency — African Americans — and a repudiation of principles the party claims to stand for. Here’s what she’s really saying to party leaders: There’s no way that white people are going to vote for the black guy. Come November, you’ll be sorry …
“Clinton implies but doesn’t quite come out and say … that Obama is black — and that white people who are not wealthy are irredeemably racist.”
But Hillary was saying no such thing. Describing her coalition, [Hillary Clinton] was implying that Obama’s coalition — a George McGovern-Jesse Jackson combine embracing 90 percent of African-Americans, plus liberals, students and cause people — has less chance of beating McCain than does she and her more Middle American coalition.
Democrats, not liberal Democrats, are the swing votes who decide presidential races. Here Hillary beats Obama three to two or two to one, North and South.
Buchanan is correct. Obama cannot win with an erstwhile, unreliable youth vote and a few elite liberals. He needs the reliable Democratic voters — the regular Democrats — to vote for him.
But, this year, those centrist/moderate/slightly-to-the-right Democrats have a fresh choice in the Republican candidate. They see enough positives in John McCain that they will have no problem voting for him in November.
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This is what happens when an elitist meets real, everyday Americans.
It’s 1972 all over again. My parents were both Dems, but my mother voted for Nixon (the first time in her life she’d ever voted for a Republican), because McGovern was too radical for her.
I was a preacher for three years, and I can attest to this fact—people always say that they want change, but they don’t really mean it. At first, they’re enthusiastic about it, then they start to worry about how changing “A” will affect “B”, “C” & “D”. Worry turns into fret and in the end nothing gets changed. This is how human nature works. That’s why a campaign built solely on “change” without any concrete solutions and proof that those solutions can work is doomed to failure.
The most important thing is that Clinton makes the large agricultural states competetive….States like Texas and Indiana would be competetive if she were the nominee….Farmers love Clinton…..California could swing to McCain of Obama is the nominee…So could Florida….SD’s have got to wake up….Good post….
They want change in a measured dose, so not to upset all that they know — like a 9/11 day event would.
Pandering to the extremes forces folks to moderate, or turn a hard right to protect themselves and things they love.
For example, the MSM likes to paint Vietnam as something that was wrong all around, but if you lived outside Berkeley and Boston, you would’ve saw something differently. It’s why, to this day, those Far-Left extremists can’t understand why Jane Fonda is one of the most hated women in the country, even 40 years later (much more than even Britney). To which they still try to push losers in presidential elections, and those outside Berkeley and Boston, keep voting them down, even 40 years later.
BTW, if Dems pushed Zell Miller as a nominee — then you would’ve gotten that Southern block vote. Sam Nunn, the GOP would’ve disintergrated.
We’re calling it “Revenge of the Bubbas” in our house.
And we’re COMPLETELY enjoying Donna Brazille look sick and annoyed.
Dang I missed Brazile. I hope they rerun her. I love seeing her freak out.
Wonder if she looks drugged again. She’s like in a trance at times, looking like an MKULTRA experiement in situ.
I just happened to see that, according to exit polls, West Virginians would choose Hillary 72%, Obama, 44%. Hey, it doesn’t add up, but I was quickly changing the channel, so as to avoid tripe.
Remember: Only 2209 delegates is legit!
I think that was 24 not 44.
In other words, thumbs down to Barry.
Hey, that makes more sense :-J.
Was wondering when I say the stats. Even fudging on the math (anyone surprised?).
Cry Obamatrons Cry. Seems W. Virginians are the smartest people in the entire country.
And Yes .. if Obama gets in the White House the Obamatrons will have buyers remorse and will be crying then as well.
No one has to cry, he’s done his best, but he couldn’t close the deal and he lost his momentum. The supers will pick the one who can trounce McCain and bring in a lot of down-ticket candidates and we’ll all be happy. If he plays his cards right he’ll get the vp slot. Go Hillary!!!
NO NO NO …. NO VICE PRESIDENT FOR HIM …. his supporters are capable of taking her out just to put him in the White House. NO NO NO NO NO to Vice President for Obama.
Gotta go with beebop on this one. BO on Hillary’s ticket would be a disaster, for the same reason he’s tanking in WV.
Unelectable…
That’s what you are.
Unrespectable…
The worst by faaaaar!
Nice ditty!
Thanks! Someone else came up with the idea for a song when I used to post on another blog, and I thought I’d try my hand at it. Then recently, Flineo and John Smart came up with their own version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAFbMLZm4g
He’s not qualified to be VP!
Don’t let that nut anywhere near the WH.
Gee, I wonder how all these states with large blue-collar, white populations got their primaries scheduled so late in the season?
It’s almost as if it were planned.
It was planned IMO.
If the Dems started their campaigns with Michigan or Ohio they wouldn’t have selected candidates like Obama, Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, Carter or McGovern.
Its clear the Democratic elites love running boutique Democrats for preznit. They don’t want another FDR or LBJ or even a Clinton, they want a nice bland elitist that will kowtow to likes of Kerry, Kennedy and Pelosi.
Which folks will see, right or wrong as: The Dems’ version of GWH Bush; a drunk expelled-from- Harvard-for-cheating women chaser (and even killed one himself; and who’s FDLS sized family [about the only Catholic thing practiced] killed another at 15, and raped one in Palm Beach); a Jewish princess from Moonbat country, who’s “leadership” is called hiding legislation from sight (or was it from Israel?). With extra awards for all being Elitists pigs, too.
Upset about every special interest group? I hope so, because it upsets every OTHER special interest group.
But of course, John. South Carolina moved their primary up just like Florida and Michigan, but they were given permission to do so.
Can anyone guess why?
To commit treason.
The DNC is turning out to have as much or more skeletons in their closet, than the English monarchy.
But of course, John. South Carolina moved their primary up just like Florida and Michigan, but they were given permission to do so.
Can anyone guess why?
Just who gave them “permission?”
Oliver Cromwell didn’t need permission, either.
His fate in the end? The next “administration” dug up his body, drawn and quartered what was left, and threw the remains in the garbage pit (the same fate of some of the living ring leaders, too).
Folks remember. Folks come back to haunt, even the dead — and much more than trying to revise history, too.
You must be making an accusation here with some nasty undertones…read the proceedures of the DNC-even you should be able to get the history of why there are two primaries and two caucuses in Jan and why they are in the states they are in….and any moving of the primaries (which on NH and IA did because they have permission to go first) was granted because the state parties filed a waiver. MI and FL did NOT…
Read the bylaws yourself (the offended will be docked 50% of the delegates, just like the GOP does it, and IIRC even doing it this election).
BTW, remember what history loves to do with even literal skeletons. Hope that overtone is loud and clear!
WAAA……WAAAA….WAAA WOWZER…
They are starting to figure Out this BAMMA BABY is Nicknamed CHUCKY…
You are Always So Right On Susan..
Hillary Must Hang in there because people are starting to Check Bamma Babys Diapers..
They bare Posessed…
In Ohio you cannot write in the candidate who lose in the primary. So, John McCain it will be for me! In my heart it will be Hillary.
ooops. Duh. You can’t write in the candidate WHO LOST in the primary, so that means I CAN write in Hillary …. WOOO HOOOOOOOO. Rock on!
The Democratic party deserves to lose if it nominates this guy Obama.
Really makes you proud of Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy and Kerry doesn’t it? Losers all of them….spineless weasels all.
And I’m a Democrat of 37 years- soon to be Independent though.
I actually respect 3 of the 4. Some I used to almost revere but that’s gone. I’ve always disliked Pelosi. She’s a wimp.
CNN exit poll men HC 59% BO 37% women HC 71% BO 27%
The Sisterhood beat the Brothahood, as Pat Buchanan says.
LOL…I love IT!
By the way, Obama outspent her in WV. See Barry? Money can’t buy voters. It just buys superdelegates. You loser.
Yes, but ole Donna Brazille is claiming Obama didn’t even campaign there.
NOT
Or the General Election.
Yawn..
Man watching Olbermann’s reaction tonight is priceless, he’s allowing the snarky comments to fly. I wonder what kind of names will Randi Rhodes and Mike Malloy will call the West VA. voters tomorrow?
Already “progressive” bloggers are writing that the reason for the messiah’s loss is because the whites are racist.
Its amusing to say the least though, to see a bunch of 20 something, pampered white guys, most of whom never had a real job in their pathetic lives castigate people for merely choosing someone else.
POS like K**, Mars**ll, Sir*ta come to mind.
And its no wonder the progressive/New Left wing of the party never wins election. These guys are so out to lunch they can’t connect with anyone except those who think Ayers and Wright have legitimate views.
Fox said that some of the same counties that voted against Obama, elected a black governor a few years ago.
so the racist theory that Obama loves so much is BS.
He’s definitely played the race card again in WVA and will try it in KY.
By not showing up, he’s hoping to spin.
But…..
You’re right.
The fact is that these states aren’t against AA candidates.
It’s really about his failure to explain Wright and his dedication for 20 years.
I’m convinced they would have forgiven him for the “bitter” stuff. They know people pidgeon-hole them. It’s distateful, but not unexpected from the Democratic party.
What he failed to explain and still is failing…is his connection to Wright.
Who probably still work at 15 (and since), and without mommy and daddy’s help.
These college snobs are so full of it. If it wasn’t for those coal miners even, they couldn’t post their tripe in the first place (their messy carbon choked C02 coal, is what makes the “global warming” pinheads even chat online!).
That WV neighbor (yes a coal miner who escaped the “Black Lung” like others by joining the military) I talked about died years ago, and his WV wife (a RN mind you, not just some housewive watching Oprah) committed suicide couple years later, never recovering from the loss. Their only son was spoiled rotten to that point. At 20 he had to “grow up quick”. He did, and now has a contracting business and a proud poppa — who’s not raising a spoiled brat (experience is the best teacher!). He could’ve joined the ranks of drunks, killers and druggies all blaming someone else and looking for Uncle Sam to prop him up, but his roots were stronger.
They’re proud folks, with strong values that pulls them through even in the worst of times.
Think Most West Virginians are more into [http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/b/bodiddley598/whodoyoulove27157.html Bo than BO.]
West Virginians an Southerners be vewwy strange indeed.
Sorry the link didn’t work.
The song was Bo Diddley’s song “Who Do You Love”
Since there is not a preview page here, I fucked up, and you can google it.
he’s sitting on his pin.
That point mentioned on Fox
By poster Exeter on Talkleft yesterday…
‘Applachia Virginia had no problem voting for African American Douglas Wilder in ‘89. Buchanan County, for example borders both West Virginia and Kentucky, is 97% white, and voted 90 percent to 9 percent for Clinton over Obama on February 12, but in 1989, it voted 59 percent to 41 percent for Wilder.
So, the notion that people are monolithically racist in Applachia and will not vote for Obama because of some sort of knee-jerk reaction to Obama’s ethnicity is largely false.’
And racist to imply it, too.
But they’ll claim, there’s no such thing as a “Black racist”. Ask those Whites in Zimbawe today, about it — where White farmers are murdered almost every week for being exactly that, White.
Payback wars end up v-e-r-y nasty. History proves by how much.
Thanks for this quote.
It is shocking that they can smear whole segments of people time and again and think that is a winning strategy.
But the people who complain about being smeared are racist. More of his bait and switch technique of throwing punches and not having the spine to take responsibility for it.
Like that flipping the bird epidsode….whatta tool!
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Anyone else of always getting excuses for why BO didn’t do better? Or what he really meant to say? How long will people be apologizing for this man. Oops, sorry, I didn’t mean to press that button, my staff told me it was that button. I didn’t mean to start WWIII.
Am I late to the party?! Woo-hoo! Naturally I had to go to Fox News to get decent coverage, given that Olbermann is all but pulling a Linda-Blair-in-the-Exorcist with his spinning and spewing.
But I did enjoy Terry McAuliffe giving both Matthews and Olbermann conniptions by bringing up Ted Kennedy’s doomed fight to the convention.
Now Mike Huckabee is on saying what a great speech Hillary gave. She impresses everyone.
Greta: “She clobbered him.”
Yuck, it’s the Precious (on Fox)…saying “the Democratic Party won’t be divided come November.”
HA! Dream On!!
He looks and sounds really tired btw. Seriously. He sounds truly worn out and tired and cranky. He’s getting snippy with questioners in the audience. Amazing…whereas HRC just gets tougher and more radiant.
She looked gorgeous. That dark pink really flatters her. She looks glowing.
It’s amazing. The Clintons are at their best in a fight. More that is piled on, the more they become stronger and vibrant.
Makes a very proud American of the American stock and it’s fiestiness.
Which is why Bill was the only 2-term Dem president in my lifetime.
Yes, you’re right.
We love that quality.
And I suspect that this election is the turning point.
I’m done with the elite Dem argument. I’m just worn out with the party putting forth unelectable candidates.
I am not so much against Obama, really…he’s just a politician to me….as against the party itself.
I’m just done with Brazile and her ilk.
Done.
I’m ready for a real change.
that guy from politico the o’reilly had on had me shouting at the tv AGAIN. my cats looked at like “oh heck, we thought that was over.”
Saw him, and went to bed. Work up to a clip of Hillary’s WV winning speech. What a nice way to wake up in the morning over.
Truly pathetic. Neither WV or Kentucky makes ANY difference in the final. Hillary’s in it for either the VP, Sen. Maj leader or 2012. Coincidence that so many of you have turned to FOX for your fair and balanced reporting? I think not.
BTW : none of us over here on the dark side are worried( or crying). But thanks for your concern.
Uh huh, is that why you visit us incessantly?
Obama.Can’t.Win
No matter how many times you keep chanting yes we can …which btw Obama plagiarized from Cesar Chavez. The fact is you can’t and everyone who is’nt wearing blinders knows it by now.
Hillary will be LEADING THE POPULAR VOTE after tonight if you count Florida and Michigan!!!
Sure, call the WV voters racist. But how about BO’s carrying 90% or so of back voters? No racism there??
It’s obvious Hillary Clinton is the best candidate, who will win in November. Centrist Republicans will cross over to vote for her — and will vote eagerly instead for McCain if Obama’s the nominee. (Many Dems will cross over and vote McCain, too, for that matter, if Obama keeps up the way he has so far.)
Obama will lose.
The superdelegates need to wake up and smell the coffee. Obama is too young, too inexperienced, and is, above all, unelectable.
The Dem party has to decide: Do they want the White House or do they want Obama?? They can’t have both and because it’s the Dems,I still don’t know the answer to that question.
The truth of the matter is, Hillary Clinton won’t let them lay down for the GOP and is fighting tooth and nail to stop the Dem from giving the GOP the white house again
Hillary 08!!
This is a DISASTROUS loss for the Obama campaign. The media-installed “presumptive nominee” TROUNCED in West Virginia! More discussion below!
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=11121
Hillary is not a quiter. She’s a fighter who does not give-up when the going gets tough. Obama on the other hand IS a Quiter when the going gets tough. He quit Indiana when it got close, he quit W. Virginia, and Kentucky.
When things don’t look like there going in his favor, he QUITS!!
And should he become President and things get tough he’ll quit on America.
He lacks the experience, knowledge, and fortitude. He’s just a QUITER!
I think the WV vote tonight reflected how racist Democrats are in that state. Whites accounted for 95% of the vote, and mostly uneducated at that. Obama will still be the nominee, but even if he wasn’t, I would vote for Hillary LONG before I would vote for McBush.
‘That point mentioned on Fox
By poster Exeter on Talkleft yesterday…
Applachia Virginia had no problem voting for African American Douglas Wilder in ‘89. Buchanan County, for example borders both West Virginia and Kentucky, is 97% white, and voted 90 percent to 9 percent for Clinton over Obama on February 12, but in 1989, it voted 59 percent to 41 percent for Wilder.
So, the notion that people are monolithically racist in Applachia and will not vote for Obama because of some sort of knee-jerk reaction to Obama’s ethnicity is largely false.
Hey Brains, read downthread for a change
Simply put, the ‘racists’ of this region elected an AA in 1989. Get a new meme.
I lived in VA when Wilder was elected. Wilder was a moderate Dem with strong economic plans for the state. IIRC he was popular while in office. Virginia is a weird place politically but for Obama to think he can win it is to laugh.
“yes we can …which btw Obama plagiarized from Cesar Chavez”
Chavez was the epitome of the populist fighter and a man who faced real physical peril in his efforts on behalf of workers. A little known fact is that Chavez was virulently opposed to illegal immigration because he thought it would depress wages for *his* people, Latino workers who were citizens, and for all workers.
As a half-Mex who named my first pet Chavez, you have NOOOO idea how much it frosts me to hear that empty elitist fraud cop that brave man’s line. OK maybe some
I’ve been following politics very closely since I was in my teens (I’m a typical middle-aged white woman). I’ve kept track of the political players, how they rose to power and who supported them, etc., since after the JFK assassination. It is my contention that JFK was assassinated because he was taking steps to undermine the corporate elites growing control over our government. Many historians now say it was Kennedy’s desire to do away with the Federal Reserve and the Cold War, which were primary reasons for his murder.
Fast forward to this primary. The rush to judgment by the DNC power elites to anoint Obama wreaks of something far more sinister and ugly under the surface than just a hatred of the Clintons. That’s just pablum for the masses to chew on and keep them distracted while the agenda plays out. It’s much more than that. This election is about completing that agenda, which has been in place for some time now and the clocks is running out on its being implimented. That agenda’s success depends, in large part, on the breaking of the back of American democracy by destroying the middle class economically (which is the majority of America). I believe we are in the final stages of this coup, and it’s purpose is to enable corporations to finally gain full and complete control of the American government. Obama is the perfect front man for such a coup, because IF the power elites are able to ram his sorry ass into the Oval Office, he will keep the masses under the illusion that real change is coming and that the people rule once again. After all, he does give a good speech about Hope and Change and does so in such a Manchurian Candidate kind of way!
Hillary represents an FDR kind of presidency, which the corporate power elite absolutely cannot allow to succeed, or their agenda will be derailed (if only temporarily). However, their extreme attacks against Hillary are indications that they are running out of time and cannot allow an intervention that would empower the middle class.
If Hillary is able to outsmart these forces that have been doing everything to get her out of the race, I fear that she, herself, will be in danger.
There is just something inherently evil controlling the primary process in an all out effort to finally take control in such a way, that the people will never get it back. By breaking the back of the middle class economically, it will be much easier to carry out the coup and control the masses, simply because the middle class will be totally dependent on corporations for their livehood. A Clinton administration would definitely offset that plan because her plan is to empower the middle class economically. However, much like JFK and RFK before her, she will be in great danger for taking such a stand against these forces.
I’m not at all trying to sound pessimistic and that we should give up, I just feel that we need to recognize that this election cycle is truly about the survival of America and a government, of, by and for the people.
Because of this reality, it comes down to how quickly we, the people, recognize these the danger to our democracy and how quickly we unite in opposition to such a coup and stand firmly with Clinton. We must figure out how to send a message to the power elite that is not only powerful but convinces them that we will openly and aggresively revolt against any kind of plan to destroy Clinton.
As Hillary keeps repeating, America and America’s future is worth fighting for. I believe she knows full well what she is up against. I pray that the American people will stand by her and protect her, because it certainly does look like each passing day that she is the only real power that stands between our remaining a democracy or sucumbing to fascism.
You know the adage, “the nazi’s didn’t loose WWII, they just relocated to America…”
Rise, Hillary, rise!!