No More #2
By SusanUnPC on May 14, 2008 at 6:09 PM in Current Affairs
The first thread is closed because we surpassed 550 comments. This is the second thread. I am only included Truthteller’s statement because of its exceptional insights and thoughtfulness:
Truthteller: West Virginia voters rebuffed the candidate the media and the Party have arbitrarily christened the Democratic nominee.
How a Party can support a candidate who is so woefully unelectable confounds me: Obama’s victories are from states that hold caucuses, one of the most undemocratic practices that I view as a remnant of machine politics; he is weak on issues of choice, LGBT rights, health care, social security, wages and the right to organize; his past in Chicago is one of quid pro quo and corruption; he has accomplished nothing in the Senate; his knowledge of foreign affairs is wanting; he can only deliver speeches from a teleprompter; he speech yesterday contained two factual errors; he is sexist; he has exploited this nation’s history of race for electoral gain, even though he has no relation to that history; his wife is a race baiter and a negative campaigner; his only accomplishment while serving as a Senator is attaching his name to a book I believe a group of ghostwriters composed; he has lied repeatedly on the campaign trail; he is a puppet who will be controlled by certain factions of the Democratic party; and nothing he has accomplished has impacted my life.
This Leftist will not vote for him if he is the nominee. And this will be a problem, for I will reside in a state Democrats must win in November.
Good luck with your wooden marionette, Democrats. You will lose Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, West Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and probably New Jersey, and your Congressional candidates will be swept into the wastebasket of history. Until this party is able to embrace the notion that a woman can lead, I refuse to engage in any form of Party activism.
It is Hillary or bust. After all, Democrats value work and accomplishments, not overweening egos and inflated senses of entitlement of those who have never had to work for anything their entire lives. Regarding John Edwards’s endorsement, at least we now know he was never committed to universal health care or to the elimination of poverty.
It was just one act in a seemingly interminable drama entitled “The Democratic Boys Club.” Let us hope someone will drop the curtain on this sordid and sexist spectacle.
Noted from another site…can you imagine how WV voters feel about the media dissing them and the fact of their primary in favor of a $taged endor$ement by Edward$?
Man these guyz (literally) don’t get it, do they?
Rove said the same thing……that Obama worsened his position by not even bothering to acknowledge the voters.
I’m not sure. I have no idea what I would do in the face of a blow-out. Knowing me? I’d probably say, “Obviously, I need to let you get to know me, because you don’t trust me yet.” Or something like that.
I suppose that’s suicide, however, to admit defeat. It shouldn’t be. It’s the truth. Well, in this case, maybe not the truth. LOL*
The more they got to know him, the more sure they weren’t going to vote for him!
But, you know, a good walker would have acknowledged the votes. If he intends to win, get anything done, he needs to earn SOME good will.
Really, to manage a government you need the bureaucracy to be behind you, you just can’ t fill it with your own people, no matter the fantasy, in addition, even your own people start to hate you, after a while, treat them like shit, even the white house cook will spit in your food.
He can’t lead, he can’t form a coalition, and do you know how fucked up psychologically someone has to be to ascribe to conquer and divide?
So when they don’t have the Clinton voters to project on to , they have to project on someone else, each other, if we’re lucky…
That makes sense. So far, everything he ascribes to Hillary?
He’s actually doing.
Not a surprise since they dis the former first lady and Senator with ease. It does make you wonder what they are thining. Or maybe they aren’t thinking and they are just being their selfish, heartless, cold, corrupt selves.
shainzona — you’re right that was staged and mean. I thought something was up. He said all those nice things about Hillary and then said he was endorsing Obama. Its like someone saying you’re beautiful and when you say thank you — they say they meant the person behind you. Then Obama came out and kissed Edwards on the check. Just another slap at Hillary by the two assholes Obama and Edwards. I guess this means Edwards can lose as the VP twice.
Edwards and NARAL endorsements back-to-back, ah, yep!
Sue,
I sent this message to Elizabeth Edwards just now. When you’re blogging today, ask others to let the Edwards’ know how disappointed we are.
Nancy
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You were noticeably absent yesterday from your husband’s endorsement spectacle. I commend you for that. I heard that you would have endorsed Hillary Clinton. I felt sick as I watched John become just another self-indulgent, self-important politician. Throughout the campaign, he seemed to agree with all that Hillary wants for this country, and the wind blew the other way, so John went along because he hopes to get something out of it, obviously. What a major disappointment for all of us who believed he was genuine. I was so bereft of hope as I watched him onstage with Obama soaking up the applause that I couldn’t listen to his speech. I can tell you that I would never again vote for John in any capacity. Two things happened to me this morning. As I was driving to work, the car in front of me was sporting a bumper sticker that read, “Politicians are like diapers: they all need to be changed for the same reason.” Then as I was walking up the sidewalk, I found a complete set of rosary beads. There IS hope, but John Edwards will never be a part of it. You seem like a wonderful woman. I hope you’re well.
thank you for sharing that, the rosary beads were a message of hope and faith
Amen!
Hillary all the way to Denver and the White House!!!
I think he loses Mass too!
Mass. is very unlikely to go Republican in November. West Virginia went for George W. Bush in both 2000 and 2004 and is an actual swing state, given the Democratic dominance of its state politics, but Massachusetts will not go Republican under any imaginable circumstances.
You don’t get it. MA will be a tight race. The people of MA will be very upset that Obama has been shoved down their throat by Kerry and Kennedy. They already have been living through Obama the First (Duval Patrick), and they don’t like it.
Mas has already seen Obama in Patrick, and have buyers remorse and don’t want a repeat.
Obama will loose New York and California.
I don’t know about NY but CA could be indeed close; it is not clear to me what would happen with the latino vote should Obama be the nominee.
McCain after all favored a reasonable resolution to the immigration situation with a path to citizenship.
I’m not sure he’s going ot get the nomination.
So I can’t even project, because that would be silly, wouldn’t it, fucking up my own waters like that.
I also was going to say I hope Clinton just ignores the whole Obama BADLY staged melodrama for what it is: crap from inferior minds.
Just keep campaigning Hillary, YOU ARE WINNIG.
And you are, no matter what fantasy they’re selling you…
Clinton is winning.
Me, too. With all due respect to Edwards, I can’t imagine that his endorsement at this late stage will actually sway anybody’s vote. And so what if the media talked about this rather than Hillary’s obscenely huge ass-kicking of Obama in WVa — it’s not like they would have said anything other than WWTSBQ anyway.
And if he’s got Gore waiting in the wings to kiss his puny little ass after she thumps him again in Kentucky, I won’t care about that either.
“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”
— Mahatma Gandhi
I think this is HRC’s mantra. She seems absolutely unflappable — I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anyone so unphased by crap. This must be what its like to be at total peace with yourself. We’ll be lucky to have her.
It would have been better for her to win on Super Tuesday
Um, I think she won plenty on Super Tuesday. Why didn’t he win everything on Super Tuesday? Why has he lost CA, NJ, MA, AZ, OH, TX, WV, FL, RI, NV, NM, OK, TN, AR, IN, MI, PA, and NH? He has all that money, the media ‘loves’ him (until they can return to their true love John McCain), the Washington elite are behind him. Whats wrong with him?
NO VOTE FOR OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HILLARY HAS RANNED A CAMPAIGN ON DONATIONS AND OBAMA RANNED ON HIS TERRORIST BUDDIES.IN A ROOM OF A CAFE.IN OTHER COUNTRY.
RIGHT ON!!!
May I lift your quote!!!?
McCain really could win CA. Reagan won CA. I can’t put my finger on why McCain will win CA - maybe because we in this state are being squeezed financially and we know what it’s like to work hard? Obama just looks way too relaxed? McCain knows not necessarily hard work, but he was tortured for five years! That says something.
Latinas baby!
and foreclosures……
GW Bush got 40% of the Latino/Latina vote in ‘04. McCain is much more acceptable to Latinos and Latinas that Dumbya. That’s not good math for BO in California.
I think there is no doubt that BO would have problems in California that would not be a factor if HRC is the nominee. She will hold the state easily and could devote resources elsewhere, he will have to fight hard to hold it. McCain, in general is seen as a ‘moderate’ Republican. That may or may not be the case, but regardless he has built that perception over many, many years and it is going to be impossible to break it.
If the Latinos heard Prima-Donna say that the Democrats don’t need this Hispanic vote as well as the base vote of White Workers–then he is in mucho trouble.
If he’s the nominee you can be sure that the McCain supporters will make sure that the Latino/Latina voters hear about Donna Brazile claiming not to need their vote.
Dumb Donna is so far in the tank for Obama she seems to think that everyone else is too. She’s insulted enough voters all on her own to do enormous damage to the Democratic Party. They should have muzzled the silly cow a long time ago IMHO.
Now that’s funny.
I see Obama stickers and placards everywhere, have seen one for Hillary and NONE for McCain, not even in the valley. McCain will not win California.
Obama stuff everywhere, only one for Hillary and none for McCain? And yet Hillary won by a very decent margin. I’d say no state is really safe for Obama is he’s the nominee, well, okay, we’ll concede Idaho and Illinois.
Idaho? Only if the Earth has spun off its axis
No way will he win Idaho…too many right-wing nuts.
Thank God ….
Many people I talk to are regretting their vote for Hillary. It was early in the primary season and people voted based on name recognition alone. I’m not so sure that she would win if the election were held today. Obama is up over McCain in the polls by 6 pts in Iowa, 5 pts in PA, and 9pts in NJ. It is very doubtful that he could lose in CA. This is a change election, the idea that four more years of Bush policies are going to appeal to most Americans is not likely.
….yes, good old “many people” they come in so handy. On the other hand, “many other people” regret voting for Obama.
Yikes, as you no doubt have noticed the polls have been all over the map and not very predictive. As an example, the polls suggested that HRC would win IN handily and be close in NC. I wish those polls were correct, but they were not. The tracking polls fluctuate wildly from week to week. Most importantly, McCain (and his Republican attack dogs) are not running against Obama, yet. If he should get the nomination, their fancy will turn to him.
Like it or not, questions of patriotism will come to the fore — this is America after all. If Obama had great economic credentials or foreign policy experience he might be able to pull off getting away from his recent past. He does not. So onward we go to Patriot Games 2008!! If he is the nominee, I suspect the first Tuesday in November will be a painful evening. But take heart, at least it won’t be a long one.
This is fluctuation?
That’s in Iowa, a red state last time around. If he consistently does that well in Iowa I think it is very likely that California is safe.
Polls are mostly useless, especially this far out, but if you insist..
Ohio (20 votes, ultimate swing state)
Quinnipiac
4/23-4/29 Obama 42 McCain 43
Clinton 48 McCain 38
SUSA
4/11-4/13 Obama 45 Mccain 47
Clinton 53 42
It would be nice to have, but he doesn’t need Ohio.
Possible path to victory =
NM, CO, IA, MI, NV, MN, WI, PA
He has polled well or is polling well in these states.
I think Virginia, Indiana, and possibly even Montana could be in play. Given the recent Democratic victories in LA and Mississippi I think just about every state should be considered a possibility (with the possible exception of Utah).
WI will not go for Obama. It barely went for Kerry. Sadly, I believe with either candidate, WI will go red. McCain is very popular here.
Everyone I speak to that voted for Obama wishes they had their votes back. They have never been so disappointed in a candidate. They believe Obama thinks like Wright and wonder what else is coming down the pike. The New Black Panthers have endorsed Obama. That one really makes me sick.
Everyone (two) I speak to that voted for HRC wishes they had their votes back. They have never been soooo disappointed in a women candidate. They believe HRC thinks like McCain/Bush and wonder what else is coming down the pike. I wish (someone… anyone please) would endorse HRC… she really needs some love, as Larry is always telling us.
Though, that doesn’t make sick, it does leave me sad that we couldn’t have had a much better first women candidate.
Damn, who knew that “everyone” is just “two”? Everyone that I know that voted for HRC, that would be a couple a dozen would happily do so all over again. However most of them say if Obama is the nominee they plan on voting for McCain.
Wisconsin is a purple state that just barely turned blue for Kerry and that was because of widespread hate for Bush.
People don’t hate McCain and they don’t seem to like Obama very much. Most of the people I talk to, a couple of dozen or so at the Senior Center or at church, will never vote for a man that sat in church for 20 years with a pulpit humping minister. Some of us old people find that a tad tacky.
everyone I know who voted for Hill wishes they could do it the Chicago way and have voted early and often
like the Obama people in Gary Indiana did……
hussein has ZERO chance. In fact I am convinced this mutant won’t even wind up getting the nomination. There is more to emerge about this hideous malcontent.
I would celebrate if he got a massive heart attack or stroke.
Bullshit, yikes. Things getting pretty ugly at Team Obama, eh? Spew your horseshit elsewhere. Seriously, why would ANYONE want to talk to you? You don’t discuss anything- you just recite talking points.
yikes thinks Oblahma could win in PA!!
BWAHHHHAAAA!!!!
Those ‘bitter’ voters, nah they’re too busy clinging to their rifles and Bibles to vote for an Oblahama, betcha they make time for McCain though, I know I will if our Hillary is pushed out….
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Polling today shows she would lose.
Polling today shows Obama would lose. I know you want to sell Obama and that’s why you’re here but he cannot win. West Virginia was just a taste of what’s to come for him.
Sorry to everybody, I am the biggest moron for being Axelrod’s tool
You said it. It’s a beginning…
One could only hope that you realize that you are a moron. However since you have stated that sort of thing several times before it would seem you, like most “Bots” are a liar.
That you are here at all shows that you are a sad little attention whore so please go see a good shrink and leave us the hell alone. Your schtick wasn’t amusing or very clever to begin with and is really tiresome now.
first step is admitting you have a problem
:0)
I wouldn’t put a lot of faith in winning based on bumper sticker counts or how loud your followers are. The voting booth is private and quiet and you can’t follow people in there.
For the record I live in the Bay area and I haven’t seen a lot of bumper stickers for ANY candidate. An occasional Hillary, a few more Obamas, though I did see a McCain sticker driving down I-80 in Oakland the other day. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a W sticker in the Bay area…so I don’t know what the McCain sighting means.
If you look you will see them.
Nope, never saw a W sticker and seeing a W sticker in the Bay area would have been like seeing a giraffe walking down the street….hard to miss.
Interesting since I’ve seen many in the Bay, I have definitely seen more in the valley and saw tons in the Palm Springs and near Tehachapi. I talk to lots of people and the general mood I sense in CA is one in which Hillary has lost her luster. He was gaining ground leading up to the CA election. If there was no early voting via absentee and he had a little more time I think he would have won. Even when you look at the county by county results it is interesting that he did very well in some rural (red) counties. I am not particularly worried about how Obama will do here.
When I look at the fact that Republican southern districts have gone blue in spite of anti-Obama ads, I think he has a really good chance of doing very well nationally. It’s a shame that so many on this board won’t be part of the fun of taking back control of this country.
Well he lost California by 9 points (10 points is considered a landslide by the way — West Virginia was an avalanche). I’m not sure what that says about her loss of luster among the people you talk to…but among the voters she seems to have at least more luster than he does. He did truly awful among Latinos and Latinas — West Virginia avalanche awful, no other way to say it.
BO’s always catching up though isn’t he, if he just had more time he would of won that darn thing….maybe in 2020 or something. And yep, I would expect you would see a lot of W stickers in Palm Springs…makes sense.
Obama Obama Obama — I wish it were November and I would never have to hear his name again.
What a fucking idiot. Fun? You think this is a game?
You think you get to actually be a “part” of anything that has to do with Team Obama? That’s laughable.
Honestly, yikes. I expected more from you than this. BTW- where were you last night? Can’t believe that YOU weren’t part of the fun around here. It isn’t every day that the self-coronated “presumptive” nominee gets his ass handed to him.
See ya around.
Guess we’ll just have to settle for the “fun” of watching him lose. And helping that process along as much as possible.
If you really were an Obama supporter and not just another attention whore you wouldn’t be annoying people that might come in handy in the general election should he get the nomination.
(Seems pretty sure to get it since the DNC is willing to disenfranchise over 2.5 millions voters in order to steal it for him. And one would suspect that a lot of Democrats, and former Democrats as well as left leaning Independents will frown on that.)
if you build it they will come?
in the booth Obamas polls arent realized….
That would be a useful metric if we chose our leaders by counting yard signs.
In the past week the four Obama signs in my immediate neighborhood have all come down. They have been there for months. I’m in Ohio. HRC signs are all still up.
I’m with you TeakWood Kite,
McCain will be very competitive in NY. These people need to stop taking hits off of Obama’s crack pipe. Staten Island: a dependable Red Borough; the Bronx, a fine mix of latinos, italians, and other white ethnic groups and many 3rd world immigrants from Africa and the caribbean, green card people and perhaps illegals; depending on how Obama fares with Jewish voters Manhattan should be his, but bear in mind the large latino population, and whites. Bklyn will be an interesting battle, lots of groups, yuppies, young professionals, the Far Rockaway and Howard Beach whites, the orthodox Jews, italians, caribbean blacks, latinos, Russian immigrants; Long Island, filled with NYC policeman, Sean Bell anyone? Then there are the upstate folks who keep Joe Bruno in office and gave Repub George Pataki 2 terms. I left out Queens and Westchester, a toss-up, but maybe not.
I think McCain will be surprisingly competitive in NY.
typical white people, Jewish voters, ethnic voters and the PR and other Latinas in Queens will make that a challenge for Oblahama…..
i have a lot of Jewish friends who won’t vote for him,and rightly so.
Obama called Israel an Infection in the Middle East. Wonder who he supports?
I think you better ponder the unimaginable. If nothing else, if BO is the nominee, he is going to have to work hard for Massachusetts (and California too). Having to expend time and resources in these two states is something that a Democrat should not have to do.
Conversely, HRC will crush McCain in both states easily, meaning she can devote her resources to winning Ohio and West Virginia and winning those states means we’re in the White House. All BO would be able to do is try and avoid an electoral massacre. There is no road by which BO can get to the Presidency.
It’s 270 to win, no caucuses, no proportional representation…WINNER TAKE ALL.
Perhaps Howard Dean can cut the amount of electoral votes Obama would need to win just as he cut the amount of delegates Obama would need to get the nomination.
We all know how well Obama does when he has to “work hard.” He makes huge gaffes and looks less presidential (if that’s possible) … Coming out of the convention, he is not going to be able to both make inroads with HRC’s supporters AND campaign in states he needs. He’s toast.
Obama puts massachusetts in play. Deval, bad governor. Kennedy, Kerry go against the will of the people and endorse barack.
Nope, Obama hung himself with this crew. Oh, by the way, some of themost active feminists live in Massachusetts. Do you think they will let Obama slide after treating HRC like he did?
Ha Ha! Get used to it, your guy is a loser!
Obama is a loser indeed; he is embarrassingly weak.
Mass people are stubborn and they wil not vote Obama.
They will go RED
I hope they will remember the SD endorsements from MA when their reelections come up.
I think you’re being too limited in your imagination. Operations Board Game is due for a Rezko verdict, after which they’ll be more closets coming out of false messiah’s closet. Evelyn Pringle/investigator/author says Repubs now have 1000 page document on him and, if nominated, he is not likely to remain a legitimate candidate.
Recall when famous psychic was asked about outcome of Gore/Bush race and said “I can’t tell you because you wouldn’t believe me if I did.” With the crooks and goblins all coming to the fore at once now, suggest we ‘think outside the box’ when it comes to the possibilities this bizarre race may still have in store.
I’m one of millions who won’t vote for hIm NO MATTER WHAT and I’ve never voted Republican - never even dreamed I would. but ……Why should that state be any different than we are?
I dunno–the Three Stooges (Kennedy, Kerry and Patrick) REALLY pissed off a bunch of older voters with their ignoring of the “will of the people.” I don’t know anyone over fifty who will vote for BO, and they do make up a hefty chunk of the reliably-voting population. MA is actually split three ways, with a load of left leaning indys between the D’s and the R’s. A lot of those indys are PISSED now, though. BO is going to have to spend MONEY here, unless he picks Suckup Johnny to be his VP.
I have friends over 50 who just love the Obama’s Rap Song — I Got 99 Problems But The Bitch Ain’t One–lol. Obama will not get voters over 50. He has already said he is running a campaign for the under 35. Obama is fussy about who he will accept a vote from. Money however, is welcome from anyone.
I hope the people of MA retire Kennedy, Kerry and Patrick. It would be sweet….
Won’t happen, unfortunately. Which is why Kennedy and Kerry are so smug. They’re party icons, and the Far-Left leaders.
The wrong fetuses were aborted and assassinated (JFK, RFK, MLK, jr all stood for something bigger than themselves, I hope those who were behind their deaths lives in the nightmare they have caused today).
I think he will lose MA. Axelrod made the mistake of putting Obama’s prototype, Patrick there.
I agree: there will be considerable backlash in MA as a result of Patrick.
MA traditional Dems were offended by Kennedy, actually.
These were hard-core Dems, who absolutely remembered when Kennedy was running against Romney, in a panic, and didn’t know what to do.
It was the Clintons who bailed him out.
These old-time Dems were offended that he flipped on the Clintons and showed him what they thought of it.
By making SURE she did well.
They worked their buns off for Hillary.
And they sent Kennedy a whopping big message.
No, they won’t boot him out.
But if you paid attention, you’ll notice he’s been quiet since then.
Teddy was about to lose his Senate seat and it was the Clintons that campaigned hard to help save hm. Now that Ted turned their backs on the Clintons, the voters will see to it that Ted and Obama are history. They don’t tolerate corruption very well.
Nothing gets the GOP’s dander up more than it’s favorite meat puppet, TEDDY!
You don’t even need to be a Republican to join the fun.
If Teddy so opens his mouth, it’s just food for starving tigers.
Talk about Great Expectations! I’ll admit, I voted for that idiot! What a massive DISAPPOINTMENT!
I drank the Koolaid and bought the bullshit once. Such a great…VAGUE…campaign! Upbeat, optimistic…and ANYTHING looked good after Romney!
Funny how the words of an idiot not-so-savant come to mind: “Fooled me once, won’t git fooled agin!”
now I am listening to The Who
:0)
we wont get fooled again…
At this stage, the recalcitrance of moderate and conservative Democrats to be herded into voting for an unappealling candidate is just about the only way to send a message to ALL POLITICIANS, not just the Dems, that this is unacceptable.
We’re really ready for change.
We’re done with trickery.
We’re done with phony endorsements.
We’re done with the nasty-mouthed pundits.
We’re done with the obvious lies as though we’re stupid.
So, they will either “get” it or not.
I predict, not.
Obviously, they still think big rallies and “moments” such as the Edwards endorsement will derail voters.
I believe, deeply, they are wrong.
American voters are really sincere about this. We’re not interested in being told what to think.
We’re done.
We DO want change, but we want the real deal, not some Madison Avenue marketing campaign.
And I believe we are speaking out in the ONLY way these guys can get it: By VOTING.
That is one thing they cannot take away from us.
Our vote.
Their Madison Ave. marketing wouldn’t be so bad if they actually had a product.
zozomom — too right.
Take away our vote?
Sure they can.
And superdelegates were designed to do just that, weren’t they?
BTW one more pain in the ass is this spectacle reinforces the liberal media myth:
Gosh, I feel like I”m watching Bush go to war, in Iraq.
Fucking clueless.
Really, don’t let others create your reality, and for gods sake, don’t believe this shit. I really have to suspect your motives.
I smell moron troll, “I’m going to say Obama won, and that’s that. I can do it on TV, and I can do it here, at NQ, too, despite the reality.”
No you can’t.
You lost.
You’re right — watching the DNC/Dean/Donna screw up is just like watching bush march to war!
We are sitting on a cliff — watching the train wreck.
Hopefully there are enough watchers up on this cliff who will turn away and get Hillary elected in November.