Obama No
By Adolph Green on May 17, 2008 at 9:48 AM in African-American Media, Bamboozling, Barack Obama, Chicago, Chicago politics, Clinton, Current Affairs, Geraldine Ferraro, Hillary Clinton, Hoodwinking, Jeremiah Wright, Jesse Jackson Jr., New Yorker, Obama, Race, Race Card
Reprinted by permission of The Progressive. Reed’s article was part of a debate on Obama in the May issue that included an affirmative by Edwidge Danticat.
Adolph Reed Jr. is Professor of Political Science at the University of Pennsylvania.
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I’ve never been an Obama supporter. I’ve known him since the very beginning of his political career, which was his campaign for the seat in my state senate district in Chicago. He struck me then as a vacuous opportunist, a good performer with an ear for how to make white liberals like him. I argued at the time that his fundamental political center of gravity, beneath an empty rhetoric of hope and change and new directions, is neoliberal.
His political repertoire has always included the repugnant stratagem of using connection with black audiences in exactly the same way Bill Clinton did—i.e., getting props both for emoting with the black crowd and talking through them to affirm a victim-blaming “tough love” message that focuses on alleged behavioral pathologies in poor black communities. Because he’s able to claim racial insider standing, he actually goes beyond Clinton and rehearses the scurrilous and ridiculous sort of narrative Bill Cosby has made infamous.
It may be instructive to look at the outfit where he did his “community organizing,” the invocation of which makes so many lefties go weak in the knees. My understanding of the group, Developing Communities Project, at the time was that it was simply a church-based social service agency. What he pushed as his main political credential then, to an audience generally familiar with that organization, was his role in a youth-oriented voter registration drive.
The Obama campaign has even put out a misleading bio of Michelle Obama, representing her as having grown up in poverty on the South Side, when, in fact, her parents were city workers, and her father was a Daley machine precinct captain. This fabrication, along with those embroideries of the candidate’s own biography, may be standard fare, the typical log cabin narrative. However, in Obama’s case, the license taken not only underscores Obama’s more complex relationship to insider politics in Daley’s Chicago; it also underscores how much this campaign depends on selling an image rather than substance.
There is also something disturbingly ritualistic and superficial in the Obama camp’s young minions’ enthusiasm. Paul Krugman noted months ago that the Obamistas display a cultish quality in the sense that they treat others’ criticism or failure to support their icon as a character flaw or sin. The campaign even has a stock conversion narrative, which has been recycled in print by such normally clear-headed columnists as Barbara Ehrenreich and Katha Pollitt: the middle-aged white woman’s report of not having paid much attention to Obama early on, but having been won over by the enthusiasm and energy of their adolescent or twenty-something daughters. (A colleague recently reported having heard this narrative from a friend, citing the latter’s conversion at the hands of her eighteen year old. I observed that three short years ago the daughter was likely acting the same way about Britney Spears.)
Princeton Professor Sean Wilentz, a Clinton supporter, noted that the Obama campaign advisers have tried to have it both ways on the race question. On the one hand, they present their candidate as a figure who transcends racial divisions and “brings us together”; on the other hand, they exhort us that we should support his candidacy because of the opportunity to “make history” (presumably by nominating and maybe electing a black candidate). Increasingly, Obama supporters have been disposed to cry foul and charge racism at nearly any criticism of him, in steadily more extravagant rhetoric.
The campaign’s accusation that the Clinton team made Obama look darker in a photo or video clip than he actually is—and what exactly are we to make of that as an accusation?—and the hysterically indignant reaction to Geraldine Ferraro’s statement that much of Obama’s success stems from the fact that “the country is caught up in the concept” of a black candidacy are no different from the campaign’s touting its “historic” character. Obama supporters fulsomely attacked even Clinton’s attempts to portray him as inexperienced, which is standard fare in political campaigns. They also charged that she was playing to racism. See most recently Harvard sociologist Lawrence Bobo’s characterization that she was “disrespecting” black people, a leftover canard from Jesse Jackson’s campaigns (which, lest amnesia overtake us, were also extolled as historic firsts).
The Jackson comparison points to one of Obama’s key contradictions: Like Jackson, he wants to appeal to blacks with the “it’s our time now” line, and to white liberals with that, as well as with the “I’m black in a different way from Jesse” qualifier and the religious conversion rhetoric. A friend said that Obama’s campaign, in stressing his appeal to rapturous children and liberal, glamorous yuppies, offers vicarious identification with these groups, as well as the chance to become sort of black in that ultra-safe and familiar theme park way.
I often tell my students that, even though Paul Wellstone was my good friend from college to his death and an individual for whom I always had great respect, no politician in this system is likely to be a person you’d want for your sister-in-law or brother-in-law. And, as many Progressive readers may know, I’m hardly a Clinton fan. I’m on record in last November’s issue as saying that I’d rather sit out the election entirely than vote for either her or Obama. At this point, though, I’ve decided that she’s the lesser evil in the Democratic race, for the following reasons: 1) Obama’s empty claims to being a candidate of progressive change and to embodying a “movement” that exists only as a brand will dissolve into disillusionment in either a failed campaign against McCain or an Obama Presidency that continues the politics he’s practiced his entire career; 2) his horribly opportunistic approach to the issues bearing on inequality—in which he tosses behaviorist rhetoric to the right and little more than calls to celebrate his success to blacks—stands to pollute debate about racial injustice whether he wins or loses the Presidency; 3) he can’t beat McCain in November.
Frankly, I suspect that Clinton can’t beat him either, but there’s no way that Obama will carry most of the states in November that he’s won in the primaries and caucuses. And, while it makes some liberals feel good to think that a majority of the American electorate could vote for a black Presidential candidate, we should keep in mind that the Republicans haven’t let one dog out of the kennel against him yet. The Jeremiah Wright contretemps is only the first bark.
Obama’s style of being all things to all people threatens to melt under the inescapable spotlight of a national campaign against a Republican. It’s like what brings on the downfall of really successful con artists: They get themselves onto a stage that’s so big that they can’t hide their contradictions anymore, and everyone finds out about the different stories they’ve told different people. And Obama’s belonging to Wright’s church in the first place was quite likely part of establishing a South Side bourgeois nationalist street cred because his political base was with Hyde Park/University of Chicago liberals and the foundation world.
For now, the Jeremiah Wright connection probably won’t hurt him too much, partly because the Republicans at this point mainly may want to keep him and Clinton bleeding each other as long as possible. And his Philadelphia compromise speech—a string of well-crafted and coordinated platitudes and hollow images worthy of an SUV commercial, grounded with the reassuring “acknowledgment” of blacks’ behavioral inadequacies—has gained him breathing room by holding out a vague promise of racial “reconciliation” that has appealed to centrist liberals ever since Booker T. Washington’s comparably eloquent 1895 accommodation to Southern white supremacy. Obama gets credit for “opening a conversation” on race, for “taking the matter on squarely.” But he doesn’t really speak to what we ought to be doing to address the injustices, past and present, that he mentions. Despite all the babble about Obama’s transcendence, Obama persists in portraying black Americans as a stereotypical monolith: blacks feel x; whites feel y. And the trope of black “anger” is a tired chestnut that neither explains nor characterizes political grievances or aspirations. (By the way, Obama’s casting Wright’s alleged “anger” as generational is entirely consistent with his earlier praise of Ronald Reagan for sensing Americans’ desire to undo the “excesses” of the 1960s and 1970s.)
Because he’s tried carefully to say enough of whatever the audiences he’s been speaking to at the time want to hear while leaving himself enough space later on to deny his intentions to leave that impression, his record represents precisely the “character” weakness the Republicans have exploited in every Democratic candidate since Dukakis: Another Dem trying to put things over on the American people.
Obama’s campaign has been very clever in carving out a strategy to amass Democratic delegate votes, but its momentum is in some ways a Potemkin construction—built largely on victories in states that no Democrat will win in November—that will fall apart under Republican pressure.
And then where will we be?
Correction: Adolph Reed Jr. apologizes to Katha Pollitt for stating that her daughter influenced her to support Obama. Her daughter did no such thing.
Adolph Reed Jr. is Professor of Political Science at the University of Pennsylvania.
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Reprinted by permission of The Progressive. Reed’s article was part of a debate on Obama in the May issue that included an affirmative by Edwidge Danticat.


On Carole Midgen Leading’s poll to see who superdelegates should endorse, Hillary was leading by a wide margin yesterday. This morning it has flipped to Obama…and the strange thing is, if you hit reload on the page, Hillary keeps going down a percentage point a minute. I think someone is running a bot to change the vote, because apparently you can vote more than once. (An Obamabot…running a bot!)
Maybe it’s a good idea to vote (again) and to post some comments on her board to counter this obvious manipulation of the voting tally:
http://www.carolemigdenleading.com/forum.asp
The vote continues to be skewed by a wide margin, with Hillary going down a number of points per minute. I just commented on Carole’s forum accordingly:
Carole, you need to get your sysadmin to fix your voting system. It’s being tampered with. Yesterday Hillary was leading by a healthy margin, and the percentages were somewhat stable throughout the day. This morning I logged in to find Obama up by a huge percentage. That was a bit strange…but even stranger still is the fact that in the past 5 minutes Hillary has gone down about 5 percentage points and Obama has gone up accordingly. (It’s probably more now.) I sincerely doubt this is a large group of voters doing this. Your vote appears to be open to manipulation; i.e., the same person can vote twice. I suspect someone has programming a bot to hit your vote count in favor of Obama over and over again. Basically, it’s voting spam. You should redo this vote with more secure software and require an email address for more accurate results.
Geez, it’s still going down. When I first checked, Hillary was at 34%. Hitting reload I just watched her go from 29% to 28% in the span of seconds. Please, I hope other people contact Carole about this obvious fraud.
I just voted and left comment….I don’t get it either…Oboobs must be swamping it…
workingclass artist;
You are correct
We indeed need to do more than keeping up with the Jones’s, we need to surpass them in every respect. BO bots were doing the same thing to the C-Span polls.
The origin of this BO or Rethug?
I left her a message about it as well. Here is an article I sent her. http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=467
Leisa, great link!
I have an issue with those types of polls online. No one is going to get an accurate idea of who the SDs should endorse by posting a poll online (especially with all the bot technology and paid internet staff.)
It’s a exercise in futility. The SDs should support whomever will be the most competitive with McCain (the one with the swing state goods), not one that appeals to random internet people. The swing voters aren’t online taking polls.. they’re working. We sometimes forget not everyone is a political internet junky like we are.
It’s probably just a tactic to get people to come to their site.
I’m getting so suspicious of everyone :-J.
OT….TEDDY KENNEDY RUSHED TO HOSP. AFTER SUFFERING A STROKE.
NPR: 5/17.08 11:00 AM TEXAS TIME….Just so you know…..
I wish a Speedy recovery for Sen. Kennedy. I hope he is in no pain. I’ve had a minor stroke myself so I can relate somewhat. No matter what his affiliations I would never wish pain on anyone.
Bon Chance Teddy
maybe you will have an epiphany after all of this and come to your senses and decide to support the only REAL candidate with any REAL experience
GO HILLARY!
This poll has been hacked. Every vote that goes in for Hillary her percentage goes down and Obama’s goes up. I left a note to the SD about it please do the same.
definitely i noticed it yesterday and today
it’s been messed with at the source
I have a poll just like that on my blog that if I wanted to - I could add or subtract votes. Most are like that.
The OWNER has to be honest and watch IP’s for double voters too!
Well, they just closed the poll, with this note:
During the past 24 hours the poll has become competition for supporters of Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to gain the most votes. We’ve decided to close the poll. Thank you for participating.
Hillary supporters have always been far outnumbered on line. I’m sure KOS put out a bulletin to go vote and his O-bots like lemmings followed suit. WE know they read here as they have little to talk about beyond the HOPEY CHANGEY message
GAWD that MUST be getting soooooooo boring for some of the more REAL WORLD followers and kids.
I don’t think the barackoolaid has a true shelf life. More like lemon yogurt left standing out for a few days - FULL of poison and not so tasty anymore.
i love your HOPEY CHANGEY thing!!! awesome… i have been saying hopeTM changeTM…i can’t even say the word hope anymore… it truly makes me want to barf. hope truly has become just another 4 letter word. it means everything and nothing at the same time, it is empty and people aren’t falling for it period.
the problem with his branding of these words is that you can brand whatever crap you want, but if people aren’t buying it then you have a problem. his brands have no history of being reliable or being of actual quality, they have no customer service support when things go wrong, and his products that come from his brands are fading instead of growing in popularity.
The poll has now been closed since they realize that it was being manipulated. I visited the poll yesterday and saw Hillary well ahead. Early this morning, I visited it again. When I saw the way the polled flipped, it made me suspicious and mad.
I revoted over and over for Hillary and got Hillary’s numbers to rise from 38% to about 40.5%, but then something happened. Every time I voted, Hillary was losing ground, not gaining ground.
Normally, I could care less about polls because they can easily be manipulated by deleting the cookies on your computer after you vote each time, which enables you to vote again. I found this to be true recently. Since I am so sick of polls being manipulated by Obama scum, I decided to do some manipulating myself. Am I proud of it? NO.
All I can say is that if a webpage wants to have some type of poll, it should be done in such a way that a person can only vote once from their computer address. Hopefully, what happened on this particular website is an eye-opener for everyone who pays attention to website polls. These polls are not to be believed in any way.
Fight the power!
Read article re. Obama hiring 400 bloggers to work things in his favor on the net, so don’t believe anything you read, and stick to your own convictions.
You lost me here, AA people are not to blame for their poverty, but at a certain point responsibility becomes an issue, whether it’s mine, or yours, to assume a codependent or Vito ideology is to give power to others.
Gosh, too bad.
How bout those lakers?
victim, or vito,
victim, sorry…
I don’t think that is what the author meant. I think he meant that the entire personal respon. meme, while there is no doubt truth to it, is a dodge to dealing with real and systemic problems that face poor (many of whom are black) people in this country. that’s why i think Hillary is so dead on when she says we need affitmative action for everyone. so that every american has a real chance to make something of themselves.
spell checking program gone awry? THough I’d like to explore a Vito mentality… sounds more interesting.
I had the impression it was the opposite, sort of an either/or.
Yes, obviously institutionalized racism has led to the poverty we see today, but the decision, as Cosby would state, to buy 500.00 Mikes,(or Nikes, jeez) as opposed to investing that money in scholarship, say, is personal.
But again, why?
A lack of hope?
Why? And how can this be addressed?
You can’t DO for people, they have to WANT to change, want to make their lives better, and in that respect I think Cosby is dead on. I can advocate for affirmative action ( and I will, forever) but ultimately it’s up to the individual to grab, and use the opportunity. Hard to do when the value system is such a pair of Nike’s is superior to an “A” in calculus, and that’s true for all aspects of our culture, not just AA.
You see?
It’s not really an either/or, IMO it’s a little more complex.
Why don’t AA schools, or schools in poorer areas have the same quality of education that an Anglo area does? How can this best be addressed? A more fair tax distribution, what? How can we improve textbooks, and teachers? Why isn’t the atmosphere more conducive to teaching? A large part of the socail aspect IS personal responsibility, and it has to start at home. And if the greater social factors are such the culture is in decline, we need to find out why.
One thing affects another, the culture can’t be seperated from the individual, both sides are right, really.
The most recent issue of the Atlantic had an article about this issue, too.
I’ve been changing my screen name due to the problems word press is having with the spam filter.
I feel very badly about bothering Susan, taking time away from her work, continually, to address and correct this problem, it is not an attempt on my part to appear deceitful.
there is no doubt truth to this. but i do not think personal responsibility is a helpful way to analyze the situation. yes, it is needed.
why is it that children who grow up rich are more likely to do drugs than even those in the ghetto?
this is not an excuse for anyone. i think that at the margins when you actually or practially have nothing to lose or no real path to gain anything people are far more likely to behave badly.
Lecturing them (while necessary) does not attack the real problem. Make sure that there are real opps. for EVERYONE. Some people will fail because of their personal weaknesses and that is as it should be. People need to believe that their behavior has consequences for good or ill.
should of qualified by “rich” I mean Richistan Rich, not upper middle class
Matterhorn,
Read this article if you want a perspective on the problem:
http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_3_black_family.html
To be sure, the problem at this point is complex. But in the last 40 years, single parent homes have decimated the black underclass in a time period when blacks have made great strides. I agree with much of what Cosby addresses. And one of the things that has pissed me off with Obama is that he says nothing! And that’s just more of the same. Living in the urban black community and part of the working poor, I wish I could offer a perspective. I’ve worked with teen mothers and I have to say the problem is one of deeply rooted ignorance. An ignorance that is handed down through the generations. Schools don’t help because it is a bureaucracy that must serve first the teachers’ Unions. I am pro Union, but I have to say this is one Union that I think works against the best interests of the kids. What would be needed in the black community is a totally different approach that understands that middle class value systems are not in place in family units. Schools would have to on some level, recreate what’s lacking at home. Also, the single mother community is one that relies heavily on extended family units. Efforts must be made to understand this and realize you are not just working with 2 parent households. But here’s where other blacks could be key. Helping to elevate education as something that is not only necessary, but desirable. Unfortunately, during the Reagan Years a culture emerged that devalued education and it’s spreading in the same way drugs did to white America, too. Hence, the emergence of hip hop culture and rap. Also, the stupidity of validating black vernacular under Ebonics encouraged AAs not to learn standard English. If you can’t speak standard English you won’t want to read. If you don’t read, then you are functionally illiterate and cut off from education.
Look I could go on. It’s complex.
I didn’t ask for permission to re-post because I agreed with every word, but because he has a great deal of intimate knowledge of Obama the man — and for that alone, his post is of great value.
I’ve not heard him make any statments with regard to AA issues during this election. Perhaps the writer is talking about his time in Chicago?
But the write lost me with the quote as well.
Huh????
Dr. Reed,
Well thought out critique and facttual analysis of the Obama phenomenon.
My only disagreement is the lacking information that Obama’s March 18,2008 speech is in fact a rehash of Louis Farrakhan’s 1995 DC Million Man March speech entitled “Perfect Union”. I offer you a link so that you may examine for yourself:
http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/04/one-degree-of-separation-did-obama-lift.html
And this is a brilliant lead statment to foster greater research and discusiion:
Thank you for your time and valued insights.
gosh does he steal everyone’s speeches? would he steal his inaugaration speech too? man this guy must be stopped now!!! go hillary steal oregon from him and turn the narrative around how you are gaining momentum for real while his star is fading… HILLARY 08
This article sums up my take on Obama perfectly. I also agree that it won’t be a stunning October surprise that undoes this campaign, it will be the unrelenting focus on his contradictions.
McCain’s already started. He really cannot escape the fact that he’s on record regarding meeting with America’s enemies without preconditions.
So he’s blowing smoke already to complain about being “attacked.” He’s not being attacked. He’s being challenged, and rightfully so. Hillary couldn’t challenge him. She got blasted everytime she tried to point out the obvious.
But McCain has no such barriers.
Thank you for see and stating what is so obvious to anyone but an Obamabot. Hillary was called a monster and a racist every time she dare question the Precious McCain will not give a damn about hurting him.
obama is great at playing the victim card when he has no idea how to fight back with actions or even words right away… he needs time to find speeches to steal…
There is something going on with that vote page as you refresh and vote it takes away from Hillary’s points and increases Obama’s percentage.
Whatever it its seems as if you vote for Hillary that vote goes to Obama.
Refresh it enough to make it 100% Obama — then she may understand what is wrong with her vote.
OK, I wrote it too fast — Carole whoever, the SD may understand what is wrong with her voting software.
My compliments to Prof. Reed for his well thought-out analysis.
I am concerned about the delegates that are going to Obama. They are our elected officials. What does that say about our congress, governors, etc. One of the reasons I am not voting for Obama is his character, his past, and his dishonesty.
Is our country being led by a bunch of crooks. How could our elected officials all swarm to this candidate? Are they blind to his record and his past? What is going on in this country?
The SDs get to vote their conscience. However, I get to vote for the SDs.
Keep track.
The one in CA who went for Obama was OK by me……from one of 3 counties he carried here. That’s fair.
I intend to research and pay attention, and if there’s not a good rational, then that person loses my vote.
A vote for Obama is the height of bad judgment to me unless there’s a compelling reason, such as the person’s area is highly pro-Obama.
I will not vote for poor judgment.
I DO hope the voters in Massachusetts, who voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton, will hold Kerry and Kennedy responsible for ignoring their wishes in supporting Obama.
News just in……Ted was taken to the hospital with stroke-like symptoms.
I may have to give up ragging on him.
There is nothing wrong with fair criticism of the decisions of an elected official….Teddy Kennedy has allowed his logic to be clouded….He has proven to be a disapointment and there is nothing wrong with speaking out about that IMHO…
He is an old man who has suffered a health hazard due to his age…
He is fully covered by Health Insurance….I am not…I have not been to a doctor in 9 years because I cannot even afford an routine phys. and as the evergrowing class dubed THE WORKING POOR I am not covered….And Sen. Kennedy could care less about my health…
It is important that sentiment not cloud logic…or rightful citicism.
I have no false guilt here. All my previous statements that this was entirely a Kennedy coup stand. I am convinced that he lost control over his own ego in the waning years, and he has so long resented the Clintons for bailing him out against Romney and for being better than he ever could hope to be.
I never underestimate the pay-back factor when someone has to rescue someone. It’s predictable, even.
Ted hadn’t mounted a campaign in years. Romney was about to beat him. Ted called in the Clintons, who swooped in and saved his re-election.
He’s never forgotten the humiliation of that.
Agree with you AnnCa….KARMA IS A BITCH….
OR AS THE CATHOLICS WOULD SAY….A PENANCE IS DUE….
** We all answer in this life or the next…imho….**
yeah, as my husband just observed, “You can’t write this shit”.
The drama continues…
So true! LOL*
It’s a hoot! I really need to do laundry.
Was advanced age his excuse in 1980, too? While I wish the man a speedy recovery, I also recognize his history as an “I know better”, “Me First” power player. To some degree, he and Obama are cut of the same cloth.
yeah i am wanting to bring a list of his sd supporters to my next election to vote against them because i think they have shown horrible judgement…
That is why it is important that Hillary takes this to the convention and forces a floor vote, IF it came to that (I am hoping wiser brains will prevail). We want to see the faces of those idiots.
I honestly think that all candidates in an election should first give back all donations from SDs at the start of the primaries, or be forbidden from donating to them at all. Considering OBama’s PAC handed out nearly 800k to Supers, it makes you wonder what the real scoop is.. “plenty more where that came from?” Ya think? And frankly, why the hell isn’t the MSM asking HOW a jr. senator raises nearly a million dollars for a PAC when he’s hardly even shown up for work since being elected??
Obama is big money and that is a deciding factor to many of the $uper Delegates.
It says that the politicians are corrupt. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
i love this quote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thanks for reminding us of it
Well Professor Reed….I’m an alum from Penn…MFA/89…and all I can say is….
BEN FRANKLIN WOULD BE PROUD OF YOU SIR…SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER…
LOGICA FALSA OBAMAS PHILOSOPHIAM TOTAM SUFFODIANT
( Faulty Logic Undermines Obamas Entire Philosophy )
QUI TACET CONSENTIT
( He Who Is Silent…Consents )
SALUS POPULI SUPREMA LEX ESTO
( Let The Welfare Of The People Be The Extreme Law )
“…We must all hang together or assuredly we shall hang separately….”
Ben Franklin. Address to the other signers of the Declaration of Independence
” There is no position which depends on clearer principles than that every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exersized….is void…” Alexander Hamilton. The Federalist Papers. no.78
** OBAMA IS UNFIT OR POTUS….HIS NOMINATION WOULD BE ILLEGITIMATE..**
This is dead on. Very well done.
Good article. He sums up Obama well and does a good job of showing people the dynamics of this election.
“Obama’s style of being all things to all people threatens to melt under the inescapable spotlight of a national campaign against a Republican.”
Yes, this is the problem with being a blank slate. Republicans are free to write whatever they want all over you.
And half of your own party doesn’t trust you because if you don’t stand for something you’ll fall for anything.
awesome… i love this if you don’t stand for something you’ll fall for anything… great…
OK now Hillary is down to 27% on Carole’s superdelegate poll…please see my posts at the top of this thread…I’m hoping someone here will read them!!!
Can you write to that SD and explain to her why these polls are a terrible idea?? That is not the way to gauge support — she has to know that, right?
The reliability of that poll cannot be taken seriously by anyone. If she allow that to determine or sway her vote then she certainly WILL allow Obama’s money to buy her vote.
Better to just leave a comment supporting Hillary.
The neglect here at No Quarter with regard to what President Bush is saying in the Middle East is astounding. Rewind please to the 2004 campaign to the Karl Rove wedges (he is back BTW) and revival of McCarthyism pointed at liberals in place of Communists. To talk or even convey a sense of responsiblity to the leaders of countries like Iran is to conspire with the “enemy” - McCain’s autopiltoed and simplistic conclusion with regard to the status of Iran. Yes, Obama is lacking in foreign policy experience but all the candidates are clueless. No one has accepted, in practice, that globalization has replaced the Cold War as historical precedent. No one has accepted, in practice, that passage through the Millennium serves many extremists to evaluation and to the resolve that it is their time to act. It is not America that anyone cares about because we have become paranoid about our own security post-9/11 and isolationists on many fronts e.g. it took a passionate speech from Equatorial New Guinea to get the US to consider sharing technology re: global warming. Yesterday, Bush’s conversation with the Saudi’s included the context that the US will be “forced” into alternative sources of energy if the Saudi’s do not boost oil production and then he blames liberals, yet again, for even suggesting that alternative energy are a viable option. Totally neglected by Bush is the Green movement because he cannot expand his thinking beyond his own portfolio.
People, please demand from these candidates and all the leaders of the world their answers to ending war, ending disease, adaptation to the consequences of global warming etc. I have been encouraged recently by the analysis at The Counterterrorism Blog by Meek that messages from OBL are zzzzzzzzzzzz… and contain no news. Messages from OBL share this similiarilty to McCain’s campaign run by Bush from the Middle East. Does anyone agree with me that partisan politicing is particularly dangerous in the Middle East and that the only precedent set here is ‘us vs them’? And what does ‘us vs them’ do for the Middle East “peace process” which was downplayed by Bush. What are the consequences, the caveat? Do they set the stage for the ulimate in religious war - the prophesized Anti-Christianity e.g. the rise of an Antichrist in the Middle East with America so isolated and weakened by Bush et. al. that we might even see it?
Honestly, if there is an anti-Christ, it’s Obama. He’s charismatic, getting support from bizarre quarters, pushed on us by the media, and many people who follow him act like cultists.
I don’t believe in an anti-Christ but if there was one, Obama would be on the short list and his charismatic pull over his followers is your first clue to be wary of him.
(Not to get overly dramatic or anything.)
Well, I can’t go quite that far. LOL*
He’s definitely a con artist. But I wait to see what his motives will produce.
That’s the problem with someone who has really not done much in life. Who can predict, really?
*shrug*
He could turn out to be evil. He could turn out to be an OK guy.
But it’s impossible to really know because he’s never done squat in life to this date.
Obama, IMHO, has zero to no chance of getting anything worthwhile done as President. His lack of experience and executive bureaucracy skills means he will blunder into paralyzing turf wars when he isn’t led into them by following advisors. (which will be the bulk of it)
Thats the first two years. He campaigns after that. By then he may learn the difference between Arab and Pashto, but I doubt he will understand fully the Princeton Project, the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, the Committee on the Present Danger, or their relevance to post-Soviet re-alignment which is way overdue. (hint: Lake, and Obama advisor, and Schultz run the PP)
Obama spells disaster.
“Well, I can’t go quite that far. LOL*”
I can. To underestimate a person who has inspired this kind of fervor is to do so at your own risk. And I’m not going to risk my own freedoms because I simply couldn’t see past my own nose. Or because I was too hung up in the idea of how it might look that I bought into a conspiracy theory. Barack Obama is not what he seems. He has a sketchy past, especially during his college years that is out and out creepy. How many people have no recollection of their college years? Columbia U is in NYC for God’s sake. NYC!!! I respect that he took his studies seriously, but come on!!! It’s a very vibrant campus with lots of activities that engage the surrounding communities. And it’s a big melting pot. Race and racism is not over the top just walking around, especially the Columbia U area which borders Harlem, a black community. Yet Obama lived off campus all the way on the east side which amounted to a arduous commute in crosstown traffic. Totally unnecessary since Columbia’s surrounding community is very hospitable to students seeking housing. Something’s up there. And until he offers some insight, then I remain suspicious.
and especially considering that supposedly the world is going to end in 2012… so it probably won’t if obama is not nominated or elected… we can change our future now
get out our deloreans and fire up the flux capacitor… just kidding, but we can change it by supporting hillary now and making sure she wins now.
PHILP HENEKA is from GAZA….NUFF SAID….
Carter listened to State Department and did not go Gaza but the State Department did not tell him not to the Middle East.
So? Zionists aren’t any better. Let me tell you about the “Ringworm Children”, that highlights the apartheid; the hate; the segregation based on color/national origin; and medical experimentation that would make Mengele proud.
Killing thousands of Arabic Jews by White European Jews, is a history that also needs to be told.
No free passes. There’s no “victim class” in the Israel/Palestine conflict. Each conducts it’s own barbaric acts, and each has to come to terms with them. The USA role in it, like it providing those X-Ray machines and paying millions to Israelis to conduct that “medical” experiment on Jews themselves, shows how and why we have zero business telling that region their own business, too.
Truth hurts. It’s gut wrenching. But wrongs must be righted.
I suggest that the cause of extremism is the passage through the Millennium i.e. that resolution with resultant committment is more the cause of the proliferation of personal agendas which are also in abundance here at No Quarter where instinct prevails over intellect. My guess is that we will not see the rise of the AntiChrist for the same reasons that we did not see 9/11 coming - caveats were ignored.
With any political group and sub-group there will be those who cling to convention. Right or wrong that’s the way it is.
But the status quo isn’t fixing the Israel/Palestine mess. If it takes talking to Hamas et al, to come to some solution, so be it. It worked with Northern Ireland (not as nice as everyone wanted, as religious intolerance still exists) but they’re living and not bombing each other. In generations they can finally come together.
History proves when a nationalist group fights as terrorists they are doing so because they have no other means to address the situation (our Revolutionary War, anyone?). Political solutions are nixed; military wise they’re outgunned. Not ALL such “freedom fighters” are just, some are plain criminal (Ayers et al), but those fighting for equality and freedom from a history of political contempt, have justification to be at the peace table. I wouldn’t want less in THIS country, when brass tacks time even Americans will have to do the same.
America isn’t Israel. It’s not Palestine. It’s America. We have our own self-interests to protect, and if wrongs were done with either, we have to correct them — but none of this victimology crap.
Anyone with one iota of politica sense knows the phrase, “you don’t deal with terrorists” is bunk. It’s how can you set up talks that both parties get a benefit for doing so. Reagan got the hostages home folks, and he didn’t promise the radicals he’ll bomb them to Kingdom Come.
Yes, I want all the leaders of the World to talk. I want all the World’s leaders to tell us what they plan to do to end war, to adapt to the consequences of global warming, to end disease etc. Are there any plans such as a ‘global peacebuilding initiative’ which would address factors that effect people’s health, prosperity and happiness. I am certain that any notion of AntiChrist would melt away with humanity’s choice and free will to build peace as the alternative to WWWIII. Otherwise, we have will to wait for the asteroid or the extraterrestial threat for our independence.
It’s time the Palestinians, not their brothers in Iran and Syria, to address their own autonomy. Just like Americans have to do for ourselves, and not rely on Canada and the UK.
Israel will have to exist. Palestine will have to exist. Forget what the next Zionist plot is to stall the process (I’m waiting for a Hamas leader to sneeze, as a Zionist justification to not get to business on a two state solution), just do it. Some progress is better than holding out for the whole cake. Then build up the culture, and have the intellectuals fight for the rights and other issues that make a civilization a civilization.
The irony here is, Palestinians will do exactly what Israel did. Any cries about “IT’S WRONG!”, just point back to history as a lesson and teacher. When faced with that reality, it’s talking turkey time, as the hypocrisy will be neon bright otherwise.
Guns and bombs aren’t the solution. It’s building up on the mistakes of others.
The Palestinians will not negotiate without Jerusalem being the capital of their state…Got it ?
ChrisXP….Our traditional alliance with Israel is both strategic and ideological….NOT RELIGIOUS….Israel is a Modern Democracy….
I am not going to presume to speak for either side….But I do understand the history of the conflict and our involvment….
“….We are going to see increasing efforts by the Islamic World to win the hearts and minds of the American People. Since Muslims have the financial capability….and a growing appreciation of the importance of public opinion in the West….There will be tremendous investment by Islamic States in all forms of INTERVENTION in American Society….
From the hiring of Public Relations Firms….TO MASSIVE SUPPORT OF POLITICAL CANDIDATES….” Marvin Zonis. ISLAM. The University of Chicago Magazine. SEPTEMBER 1980
YOU ARE SOUNDING FANATICAL….AND ILLOGICAL…..
** AS FAR AS I KNOW THERE ARE NO JEWISH/ZIONIST TERRORISTS LOBBING IUD’S AT AMERICANS….OR BLOWING UP US BUILDINGS GET A GRIP….**
BS.
The only reason we even care about that piece of dirt IS religion. It has zero resources that will benefit the US. Even Saudi Arabia, dirt and all, has more to offer.
For Zionists, yes, you’re correct. As Zionism was started by Atheistic Jews, which their religious counterparts rejected cold. By Torah standards, Israel shouldn’t even exist, as man ordered it’s existence, and without God’s permission.
But add Christianity (especially Christian Zionism) and Zionism, you have a 2000 year war over dirt.
That’s species killing, and nothing to mankind is worse than that.