Appeal to Adm. Fallon: Speak Out on Iran BEFORE
By Ray McGovern on May 20, 2008 at 9:01 AM in Anti-Semitism, CIA, Commander in Chief, Dick Cheney, Flag officers, Generals Against War, Intelligence, Iran, Israel, Media, Media Bias, NIE, Nancy Pelosi, New York Times, Nuclear weapons, Patraeus, Pentagon, Petraeus, Rice, U.S. Constitution
To Admiral William Fallon (USN ret.), With Respect
(Open Appeal for Straight Talk on Iran)
By Ray McGovern
May 19, 2008
Dear Admiral Fallon:
I have not been able to find out how to reach you directly, so I have drafted this letter in the hope it will come to your attention.
First, thank you for honoring the oath we commissioned officers take to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic. As you are doubtless aware, that oath has no expiration date; it remains on active duty, so to speak.
You have let it be known that, even though you are now retired, you do not intend to speak, on or off the record, about the looming war with Iran.
You are acutely aware of the dangers of attacking Iran, but seem to be allowing an inbred reluctance to challenge your erstwhile commander in chief to trump that oath, and to prevent you from letting the American people know of the catastrophe about to befall us if, as seems likely, our country attacks Iran.
Two years ago I lectured at the Naval Academy in Annapolis. I found it highly disturbing that, when asked about the oath they took upon entering the academy, several of the “Mids” thought it was to the commander in chief. This brought to my mind the photos of German generals and admirals (as well as top church leaders and jurists) swearing personal oaths to Hitler. Not our tradition, and yet…..
I was aghast that only the third Mid I called on got it right—that the oath is to protect and defend the Constitution, not the president.
Attack Iran: Trash the Constitution
No doubt you are very clear that an attack on Iran would be a flagrant violation of the Constitution of the United States, which stipulates that treaties ratified by the Senate become the supreme law of the land; that the United Nations Charter treaty—which the Senate ratified by a vote of 89 to 2 on July 28, 1945—expressly forbids attacks on other countries, unless they pose an imminent danger; that there is no provision allowing some other kind of “pre-emptive” or “preventive” attack against a nation that poses no imminent danger; and that Iran poses no imminent danger to the United States or its allies.
You may be forgiven for thinking: Isn’t 41 years of service enough; isn’t it enough that I resigned in order to remove myself from a chain of command with no conscience or respect for national or international law—that I shuddered at the thought of being charged in some earthly or heavenly court as a war criminal, if I “just followed orders” and helped start an unprovoked war on Iran? Isn’t making my misgivings known to journalists last year, realizing fully that this could be a career-ender—isn’t all that enough?
With respect, sir, no, that’s not enough. The stakes here are extremely high, and together with the integrity you have already shown goes still further responsibility. Sadly, the vast majority of your general officer colleagues have, for whatever reason, ducked that responsibility. You are pretty much it.
In their lust for attacking Iran, administration officials will do their best to marginalize you, but you do not strike me as one likely to be deterred by that. And, prominent a person that you are, the corporate media surely will try to do the same, if you exposed the lies given as justification for attacking Iran.
Indeed, there are clear signs the media have been given their marching orders to support an attack on Iran—to include pre-censorship of factual stories exposing administration hyperbole and fecklessness, as the White House and the Pentagon paint a dubious portrait of the dangers posed by Iran.
Preparing a Captive Audience for War…
At the CIA I used to analyze the Soviet press, so you will understand when I refer to the Washington Post and the New York Times as the White House’s Pravda and Izvestiya. Sadly, these days it is as easy as during the days of the controlled Soviet press to follow our own government’s evolving line with a daily reading of our own controlled press.
In a word, our newspapers are dutifully revving up for war on Iran, and are even trotting out some of the most widely discredited cheerleaders for war on Iraq—the New York Times’ Michael Gordon of aluminum tubes fame, for example, who is again parroting what he gets from administration officials and casting it as news.
In some respects the manipulation and suppression of information in the present lead-up to an attack on Iran is even more flagrant and all encompassing than in early 2003 before the invasion of Iraq.
It seems entirely possible that you are unaware of a recent misadventure that speaks volumes about this—unaware precisely because the media have put the wraps on it. So let me adduce one striking example of what is afoot here. The example has to do with the studied, if disingenuous, effort over recent months to blame all the troubles in southern Iraq on the “malignant” influence of Iran.
Sadly, some of your erstwhile colleagues are among the dramatis personae.
…But Covering Up Fiasco
Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman, Adm. Mike Mullen told reporters on April 25 that Gen. David Petraeus would be giving a briefing “in the next couple of weeks” that would provide detailed evidence of “just how far Iran is reaching into Iraq to foment instability.” Petraeus’ staff alerted U.S. media to a major news event in which captured Iranian arms in Karbala would be displayed and then destroyed.
Small problem. When American munitions experts went to Karbala to inspect the alleged cache of Iranian weapons they found nothing that could be linked credibly to Iran.
News to you? That’s because this potentially embarrassing episode went virtually unreported in the media—like the proverbial tree falling in the forest with no corporate media to hear it crash. So Mullen and Petraeus live, uninhibited and unembarrassed, to keep searching for Iranian weapons so the media can then tell a story more supportive of the orders they have been given to find ways to blame Iran for the troubles in Iraq. Luckily for them, a fiasco is only a fiasco if folks know about it.
Media suppression of this misadventure is the most significant aspect of this story, in my view, and a telling indicator of how difficult it is to find honest reporting on these key issues.
Meanwhile, the Iraqis announced that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki had formed his own Cabinet committee to investigate U.S. claims about Iranian weapons, and to attempt to “find tangible information and not information based on speculation.”
Dissing the Intelligence Estimate
Top officials from the president on down have been dismissing the key judgment of the National Intelligence Estimate released on December 3, 2007, a judgment concurred in by the 16 intelligence units of our government, that Iran had stopped the weapons-related part of its nuclear program in mid-2003.
Always willing to do his part, the malleable CIA chief, Michael Hayden, on April 30 publicly offered his “personal opinion” that Iran is building a nuclear weapon—the National Intelligence Estimate notwithstanding. For good measure, Hayden added:
“It is my opinion, it is the policy of the Iranian government, approved to the highest level of that government, to facilitate the killing of Americans in Iraq….Just make sure there’s clarity on that.”
Voicing his various “opinions,” Hayden is beginning to sound like the overly clever lawyers who advised him, orally, that it would be just fine to order NSA to violate the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), and like the other attorneys who approved water boarding.
And, please; tell me why we should care about Hayden’s “personal opinion?” My neighbor Suzie, who gets her news from FOX, keeps voicing her “personal opinion” that all Muslims want to kill Americans, that generals with blue uniforms are the most trustworthy, and that weapons of mass destruction will still be found in Iraq.
But, seriously, I don’t need to tell you about the Haydens and the other smartly saluting, desk-riding headquarters generals here in Washington.
The Price of Silence
What I would suggest is that you have a serious conversation with a real general, Gen. Anthony Zinni, one of your predecessor CENTOM commanders (1997 to 2000). As you know probably better than I, this Marine general is an officer of unusual integrity. Nevertheless, when placed into circumstances very similar to those you now face, he could not find his voice. And so he missed his chance to interrupt—or at least slow down—the juggernaut to war in Iraq. You might ask him how he feels about that now, and what he would advise in current circumstances.
Zinni happened to be one of the honorees at the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention on August 26,2002, at which Vice President Dick Cheney delivered the exceedingly alarmist speech, unsupported by our best intelligence, about the nuclear threat and other perils awaiting us at the hands of Saddam Hussein. That speech not only launched the seven-month public campaign against Iraq leading up to the war, but set the terms of reference for the Oct. 1, 2002 National Intelligence Estimate fabricated—yes, fabricated—to convince Congress to approve war on Iraq, which it did ten days later.
Gen. Zinni later shared publicly that, as he listened to Cheney, he was shocked to hear a depiction of intelligence that did not square with what he knew. Although Zinni had retired two years earlier, his role as consultant had required him to stay up to date on intelligence relating to the Middle East. One Sunday morning three and a half years after Cheney’s speech, Zinni told Meet the Press. “There was no solid proof that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction…I heard a case being made to go to war.”
Zinni had as good a chance as anyone to stop an unnecessary war—not a “pre-emptive war,” since there was nothing to pre-empt—and Zinni knew it. What he and other knowledgeable officials could—and should—have tried to block was a war of aggression, defined at the post-WWII Nuremberg Tribunal as the “supreme international crime.”
Sure, Zinni would have had to stick his neck out. He may have had to speak out alone, since most senior officials, like then-CIA Director George Tenet, lacked courage and integrity. In his memoir published a year ago, Tenet writes that Cheney did not follow the usual practice of clearing his August 26, 2002 speech with the CIA; that much of what Cheney said took him completely by surprise; and that Tenet “had the impression that the president wasn’t any more aware of what his number-two was going to say to the VFW until he said it.”
It is difficult to believe that Cheney’s shameless speech took “slam-dunk” Tenet completely by surprise. We know from the Downing Street Minutes, vouched for by the UK as authentic, that Tenet told his British counterpart on July 20, 2002 that the president had decided to make war on Iraq for regime change and that “the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy”
Encore: Iran
Admiral Fallon, you know this to be the case also now with respect to the “intelligence” being fixed to “justify” war with Iran. And no one knows better than you that your departure from the chain of command has turned it over completely to smartly saluting martinets. No doubt you have long since taken the measure, for example, of Defense Secretary Robert Gates. So have I.
I was his branch chief when he was a young, disruptively ambitious, CIA analyst. When Ronald Reagan’s CIA Director William Casey sought someone to shape CIA analysis to accord with his own conviction that the Soviet Union would never change, Gates leaped at the chance, proved his mettle, and bubbled right up to be chief of analysis. After Casey died, Gates admitted to the Washington Post’s Walter Pincus that he (Gates) watched Casey on “issue after issue sit in meetings and present intelligence framed in terms of the policy he wanted pursued.” Gates’ entire career showed that he learned well at Casey’s knee.
So it should come as no surprise that, despite the unanimous judgment of the 16 U.S. intelligence agencies that Iran stopped the weapons-related aspects of its nuclear program in mid-2003, Gates is now repeating the party line that Iran is hell-bent on acquiring nuclear weapons. Some of his earlier statements were more ambiguous, but Gates recently took advantage of the opportunity to bend with the prevailing winds and freshen his own loyalty oath—to the president.
In an interview on events in the Middle East with a New York Times reporter on April 11, Gates was asked whether he was on the same page as the president, Gates replied, “Same line, same word.” I imagine you are no more surprised at that than I. Bottom line: Gates will salute smartly and transmit the order, legal or illegal, if Cheney persuades the president to let the Air Force and Navy loose on Iran.
You know the probable consequences; you need to let the rest of the American people know.
A Gutsy Precedent
Can you, Admiral Fallon, be completely alone; can it be that you are the only general officer to resign on principle? And, of equal importance, is there no other general officer, active or retired, who has taken the risk of speaking out in an attempt to inform Americans about President George W. Bush’s bellicose fixation with Iran. Thankfully, there is.
Gen. Brent Scowcroft, national security adviser to President George H.W. Bush, took the prestigious job of Chairman, President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board when asked by the younger Bush. From that catbird seat, Scowcroft could watch the unfolding of U.S. policy in the Middle East. Over decades dealing with the press, Scowcroft had honed a reputation of quintessential discretion. Thus, it was all the more striking when he did what he decided he had to do to warn Americans about what may be the president’s most dangerous fixation.
In an interview with London’s Financial Times in mid-October 2004 Scowcroft was harshly critical of the president, charging that Bush had been “mesmerized” by then Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. “Sharon just has him wrapped around his little finger,” Scowcroft said. “He has been nothing but trouble.”
Needless to say, Scowcroft was given his walking papers and told never to darken the White House doorstep again. His very troubling observations have been largely shunned in the media, and banned from polite conversation here in Washington, although the insight they provide is worth a thousand erudite op-eds. Testifying before Congress on June 16, 2005, I alluded to Scowcroft’s comments, and was widely pilloried in the media the next day for being, you guessed it, “anti-Semitic.”
A Bush Commitment?
There is ample evidence that Sharon’s successors believe they have extracted a commitment from President Bush to “take care of Iran” before he leaves office, and that the president has done nothing to disabuse them of that notion—no matter the consequences.
Speaking at the World Economic Forum at Sharm el Sheikh on Sunday, Bush threw in a gratuitous reference to “Iran’s nuclear weapons ambitions.”
“To allow the world’s leading sponsor of terror to gain the world’s deadliest weapon would be an unforgivable betrayal of future generations. For the sake of peace, the world must not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon.”
Pre-briefing the press, Bush’s national security adviser Stephen Hadley identified Iran as one of the dominant themes of the trip, adding repeatedly what seemed to be the PR formula of the day; namely, that Iran “is very much behind” all the woes afflicting the Middle East, from Lebanon to Gaza to Iraq, even to Afghanistan.
The Rhetoric is Ripening
In the coming weeks, at least until U.S. forces can find some real Iranian weapons in Iraq, the rhetoric is likely to focus on what I call the Big Lie—the claim that Iran’s president has threatened to “wipe Israel off the map.” In his controversial speech in 2005, Ahmadinejad was actually quoting from something Ayatollah Khomeini had said in the early eighties. Khomeini was expressing a hope that a regime that was treating the Palestinians so unjustly would be replaced by a more equitable one.
A distinction without a difference? I think not. Words matter. As you may already know (but most Americans don’t), the literal translation from Farsi of what Ahmadinejad said is “The regime occupying Jerusalem much vanish from the pages of time.” Contrary to what the administration and corporate media would have us all believe, the Iranian president was not threatening to nuke Israel, push it into the sea, or wipe it off the map—or, as is so often heard, “destroy” it.
President Bush is way out in front on this issue, and this comes through with particular clarity when he ad-libs answers to questions. On October 17, 2007, long after he had been briefed on the key intelligence finding that Iran had stopped the nuclear weapons-related part of its nuclear development program, the president spoke as though, well, “mesmerized.” He said:
“But this—we got a leader in Iran who has announced he wants to destroy Israel. So I’ve told people that if you’re interested in avoiding World War III, it seems you ought to be interested in preventing them from have (sic) the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon. I take the threat of Iran with a nuclear weapon very seriously.”
Some contend that Bush does not really believe his rhetoric. I rather think he does, for the Israelis seem to have his good ear, with the tin one aimed at the U.S. intelligence he has repeatedly disparaged. But, frankly, which would be worse: that Bush believes Iran to be an existential threat to Israel and thus requires U.S. military action?—or that he knows it’s just rhetoric to “justify” U.S. action to “take care of” Iran for Israel?
What You Can Do
Admiral Fallon, you can surely speak authoritatively about what is likely to happen—to U.S. forces in Iraq, for example—if Bush orders your successors to begin bombing and missile attacks on Iran. I imagine you have spent more than one sleepless night sorting through the full array of Iranian options for serious retaliation.
And you could readily update Scowcroft’s remarks, by drawing on what you observed of the Keystone Cops efforts of White House ideologues like Iran-Contra convict Elliot Abrams, supported by amateurish covert action operatives and Israeli intelligence, to overturn by force the ascendancy of Hamas in 2006-07 and Hezbollah. (Abrams pled guilty to two misdemeanor counts of misleading Congress about the Iran-Contra affair, but was pardoned by the first President Bush on Dec. 24, 1992.)
Clearly, it is the arch-neoconservative Abrams, aided, instructed, and abetted by the vice president, who is running U.S. policy toward the Middle East. And it is just as clear that the status of the secretary state has been reduced simply to “frequent flyer.”
It is easy to understand why no professional military officer would wish to be in the position of taking orders originating from the likes of Abrams—not to mention the vice president.
If you weigh in, as I believe your (non-expiring) oath to protect and defend the Constitution dictates, you might conceivably prompt other sober heads and courageous hearts to speak out. I hope you will agree that an attack on Iran can still be prevented, but it seems that this will take more outspokenness and energy than those of us who see what is coming have been able to muster so far. And the controlled press is a huge problem.
Were you to speak out strongly at this stage, the media could not ignore you. I cannot bring myself to believe that you, like so many on the Hill, would be cowed at the prospect of being pilloried by FOX and branded anti-Semitic. And, who knows; perhaps some of those former subordinate officers who admire you for what you have done, will be encouraged to go and do likewise.
And, in the end, if profound ignorance and ideology—supported by a captive corporate press and abetted by political parties supine before the Israel lobby—enable an attack on Iran, and the Iranians, for example, take thousands of our troops hostage in southern Iraq, you will be able to look in the mirror, and at the rest of us, and say at least you tried.
You will not have to live with the remorse of not knowing what you might have made possible, had you been able to shake your reluctance to speak out.
Leadership does not end with retirement; neither do oaths.
Respectfully,
/s/
Ray McGovern
Steering Group
Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)
Ray McGovern, a veteran Army intelligence officer and then CIA analyst for 27 years, now works with Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in inner-city Washington.
The original version of this article appeared on Consortiumnews.com.

OT But I just got a request From the DNC for money. The most outrageous thing was it had a letter in it from Hillary Clinton trying to sucker me into giving money to the DNC by pretending they support Hillary. Can you believe the NERVE!
I assume you replied and told them where to shove that request for money?
Got that letter yesterday and I gave them an eye full. I will send money to the DNC when they do the democratic thing and seat the full delegates from FL and MI. I will support the DNC when the leadership speaks out against the blatant sexism thrown at HRC. I have already deregisted as a democrat. I am disgusted with the DNC. I will certainly vote for McCain in the fall if BO is the nominee — even if Hillary is the VP. Just because the DNC sends me a letter from Hillary asking me to send money to them, I am not going to do it.
Don’t forgot to answer them and tell them to get their money from barky and da boyz. Tell them your money goes either directly to Hillary– or nowhere.
I always thought it was pretty obvious that attacking Iran would be a disaaster … for US. At best ot becomes open season on anything American for Islamic terrorists. At worst what happens if OPEC decides that they get enough income from China and the rest of the world and stop selling oil to us entirely. Or maybe China out of sympathy decides to call all of the loans to us due?
Pakistan is a far bigger threat to us. In more ways than one. Barry likes Pakistan a lot. They trip over themselves to raise funds for him.
If you think Osama Bin Forgotten is in Pakistan, raise your hand.
Saudi Arabia would love for us to eradicate Al Queda…The Islamic terrorists represent instability and factional infighting that is manipulated by different governments…I think the Saudis are pretty fed up with both the Palestinians…and the Islamic Fundmentalists….and they are WARY of the SHIAS….Like IRAN
** Above all the Saudis want stability…PAX ROMANA of sorts…**
This is what Clinton was alluding to when she spoke of the umbrella policy
Mr. McGovern, I think you’ll find this blog has become an anti-Obama blog. These people watch Fox News and say they’ll vote McCain if Hillary isn’t the nominee.
You’re wasting your time posting here at this point.
At one time this blog was about security issues. Now it’s about assassinating the character of the other Democrat that isn’t Clinton.
This is a very disturbing story.
Mr. McGovern, I think you’ll find this blog has become an anti-Obama blog. These people watch Fox News and say they’ll vote McCain if Hillary isn’t the nominee.
You’re wasting your time posting here at this point.
At one time this blog was about security issues. Now it’s about assassinating the character of the other Democrat that isn’t Clinton.
Do you complain when MSNBC and CNN are biased against Hillary?
Stop the hypocrisy if you want to be taken seriously on this blog.
I want all three networks to stop the bias. It is making this election process more difficult than it need be. But since there is a bias us Hillary supporters have to use what is available.
Assassinating the character of the other Democrat? And Obama did not unleash the race card on Bill Clinton? That’s not character assassination when Bill is not a racist?
Try again Bob you hypocrisy is showing.
No retort Bob after I unmasked your hypocrisy?
Fine Bob I stopped reading your comments and won’t dignify them with any responses.
Unmasked my hypocrisy?
I have news for you. The mainstream press is biased against BOTH Democrat nominees.
They LOVE John McCain.
Why do you think they love this long drawn out fight among Democrats?
Unmasked my hypocrisy? Please. Spare me.
He has no character to assassinate.
No, it is NOT about trashing Obama–it is about revealing him for the empty fraud he is.
Meanwhile, I hear the “Victory Bash” is still ON! After it was OFF!
“Memo to Gerry Ferraro…UPDATE…Going to the On-Again “Victory Bash?””
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com
Now it’s just about trashing Obama. Most of the regulars here probably think a war with Iran is a good idea, they all say they’ll vote for McCain.
We will vote for McCain to protect America from your master Obama IF he gets nominated and that will not happen. You left that part out about our stated reasons on purpose and you know it. But Hillary is far from out. You must have missed my pod people notice:
Hey pod people tonight I will be celebrating the huge victory for Hillary as she derails any chance Obama has. He can’t prevent the May 31 meeting of the rules committee now. And we are aware of the “stampede” of delegate endorsements coming. Maybe Obama has some better than Byrd left? Gore perhaps? Big deal. See you trolls in August and that is 1000 years in dirt digging time. Have fun as we wear you and Obama down to a nub between now and then.
The pod people fail to realize there are enough SDs in play to protect Hillary from being shutout. Unless they can force her to concede she can now go the distance. And fat chance of her conceding to that wannabe dictator. And they should be very afraid of Rupert after badmouthing him all these months. They might want to extend the fake nice crap to Fox now. Maybe Fox won’t release the “Whitey” video if they have it. Or maybe not.
We now bring you back to your regularly scheduled program.
McCain will invade Iran and keep us in Iraq.
I’ll vote for Clinton or Obama, whichever wins the primary.
You’re saying you’ll vote for god damn George Bush Republican that would support an invasion of Iran. The very type of thing Mr. McGovern is writing about on this post.
I don’t even think most of you are Democrats. It’s obvious by the lame right-wing radio and Fox News originated smears you constantly use.
You need new talking points. Yawn.
This coming from you is classic….
“Bob”, or is it “Bot”?
This blog is still about security issues, to prevent the nomination of an empty suit for Commander in Chief IS a security issue.
Make that a DANGEROUS empty suit.
Uppity, see my post below.
See Mr. McGovern. It’s like I said. They don’t care about invading Iran. Most of them will have voted for McCain.
You need to get new programming dude. People will vote for McCain IF Obama is nominated. You keep leaving that part out on purpose. And I will keep pointing out your disingenuous tactic.
Yeah exactly. And only pure racism would make a Democrat vote for McCain, who supports staying in Iraq and invading Iran, over th Democratic nominee.
the only ones disingenuous here are the ones pretending to be Democrats.
You have to be Michelle Obama in drag always spewing the race card!
Doesn’t make a difference what color skin Obama has, he is a fake, a liar and a pathtic excuse as a human being as evidenced by his actions regarding his church, his associations and his record which lacks any kind of merit except for his own personal agenda!
So Bob = Barry Obama ass kisser, take a chill pill and remember you Obama trolls are suppose to be showing love to Clinton supporters or else you don’t qualify for an IPOD, Barry’s rules!
See that’s the thing, I don’t think you’re Clinton supporters. Her supporters are Democrats.
You are an Obama supporter so you obviously don’t know how to think Bob!
I can’t think? I’m not the one saying I’ll vote for McCain if my first pick, Hillary Clinton, doesn’t make it in.
How could you support the ideals of Hillary Clinton and then vote for a man that consistently votes for the opposite things that Clinton believes in?
bob, we know you aren’t conservative and that you are a troll for obama. you are a known quantity. whatever they are paying you is too much.
Thank you Ray McGovern
It is the US Constitution that is on the line. It is a bitter reality that the Oath to protect and defend it has been twisted so violently.
I was struck by your reference to the parrell of the Soviet papers and the condition of the “free press” in this country. The consequence of silence and censorship is an America that exists no more.
Tyranny,Anarchy and War are the aims of those who lust after power without regard to any Oath taken.
And the controlled press is a huge problem.
How could you support the ideals of Hillary Clinton and then vote for a man that consistently votes for the opposite things that Clinton believes in?
At the end of the day BOB, Senator Obama is incapable as seen by his actions, of doing what the author of this open letter suggests.
Protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
He has been given numerous oppertunies to show by action, words or deeds and failed in all respects to honor this Oath.
It is this salient point you do not understand.
Senators Clinton and McCain have this proven trait in common. What ever differences one may percieve, I will not be guilted or otherwise “told” that if this is my bottomline concern I am a racist typical white person.
My daughter asked me last night who is going to “clean up” after GW’s mess as we sat in the local ER witnessing the inhuman travisty that is healthcare today in the US.
It ain’t the immoral, Oath busting BO.
You women haters
For any Moral Person considering voting for John McCain, Meet Carol McCain
While he was imprisoned, Carol was in an auto wreck (1969), thrown through her car’s windshield and left seriously injured. Despite her injures, she refused to allow her POW husband to be notified about her condition, fearing that such news would not be good for him while he was being held prisoner.
When McCain returned to the United States in 1973 after more than five years as a prisoner of war, he found his wife was a different person. The accident “left her 4 inches shorter and on crutches, and she had gained a good deal of weight.”
In his book, The Nightingale’s Song, Robert Timberg chronicled McCain’s post-Vietnam military assignments and some of his “adulterous” behavior leading to his divorce from Carol and marriage to Cindy Hensley.
While Executive Officer and later as Squadron Commander McCain used his authority to arrange frequent flights that allowed him to carouse with subordinates and “engage in extra-marital affairs.” Such behavior was a violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice rules against adultery and fraternization with subordinates..
In 1979 at a military reception in Honolulu, McCain met Cindy Hensley, an attractive 25-year-old woman from a very wealthy politically-connected Arizona family.
While still married to Carol, McCain began an adulterous relationship with Cindy. He married Cindy in May 1980 — just a month after dumping Carol and securing a divorce. The newlyweds honeymooned in Hawaii.
Carol McCain can and SHOULD become an issue… The Brave Soldier’s Wife John McCain left for Dead through Divorce to marry a younger, richer, more beautiful woman. What on earth is Ferraro Thinking?
If there is a large enough democratic majority in the house and senate, you shouldn’t mind if McCain is the President.
Ever hear of the supreme court? I don’t want John McCain stacking a right-wing supreme court for us.
Ever think of that?
Do you think the Clintons want you to vote for McCain so he can install more right-wing judges to the supreme court?
THINK
Then vote for Clinton Bob, cuz Obama will never enter the White House with his band of thugs!
THINK!…..lmao
I’ve vote for whichever Democrat wins the primary.
At least I won’t be voting for a war mongerer like John McCain.
See thats the difference between us. I’m rational. I don’t really want Hillary Clinton as my nominee, but I’ll take her any day of the week over George Bush Republican like John McCain. I don’t need to call her names, or trash her character.
If she’s the nominee I’ll vote for her, with no reservations. She wasn’t my first pick, but she beats McSame any day of the week.
Well there is the difference Bob, enough people DO NOT WANT OBAMA near the White House under any condition and that is simple fact!
His record and actions have proven he isn’t worthy of sitting in the Oval Office EVER!
4 more years of as you call it Bush is far better than 4 years of Rev Wright, Bill Ayers and Tony Rezko in a nice neet package of Change!
I’d rather see a Democrat pick the next round of Supreme Court justices. Sorry.
Like BO wanted the current chief justice Roberts?
Good luck with that illusion, I know, that was the ONLY reason, way back when, that I would ever vote for BO. But you see if you let a criminal, (yes I said it, he has commited criminal acts,) reside at Motel 1600, he will nominate individuals that he believes to be in HIS JUDGEMENT, to be qualified.
The problem with that train of thought is; his judgement on anything he has done SUCKS.
yes I said it, he has committed criminal acts (2 t’s in committed jackarse)
Give it up Bob, no reasoning with folks like this. None at all.
Committed crimes…
Mercy.
another attack of strunk and white…
lightin up a fatty (rush?)…
getting more and more frequent, I smell desperation, here…
ANOTHER North Korean moment?
My, what is pushing those buttons, tartan?
Crimes against humanity for letting people freeze.
OH OH OH teacher…yes RICO?
I’m not concerned, in the least, about Supreme Court Justices. With a large enough margin in the house and senate…Appointees who are too radical would have no chance of being seated. The people concerned about Roe v. Wade should have voted for Hillary.
Well, Bob, it doesn’t matter who they vote for, both will do the bidding of big oil, just like Bush.
Period.
What was the name of that movie with Al Pacino, where he played the 60 minutes producer fighting big tobacco?
How do you think these people play, world wide?
Our foreign policy is a result of BAD business decisions by inept oil wannabes, Cheney really thought the “honeypot” Straussian economic model would work in Iraq.
He’s an incompetent third rate, third world politician, it’s been a disaster.
Don’t look to Obama, or MCCain, they’re trying to awkwardly seduce the public.
Look to the lobbyists bosses.
Once you understand that, you can begin to understand WHERE the decisions are coming from.
Have you all seen this? From http://www.bythefault.com/2008/05/20/make-up-your-mind/
(video links are on that blog)
Same day, two different audiences and two opposing ideas. I am ready to scream and explode!!@!
Also from the movie A Face in the Crowd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=–_LmeHGeRg
Maybe this is what they will start doing if he becomes the nominee. I don’t think Axelrod can make Obama palatable to middle America even if he tries.
I am not a Neo-Con….that said IRAN poses a serious threat to SUNNI nations ( our traditional allies of sorts….at least our traditional business partners…) as well as to ISRAEL…
Iran is a theocracy….It is Shia….It is the only Shia Nation surrounded by Sunni Nations…
To the Saudis…they make serious trouble and represent instability
pm317, is he a liar or is he losing it? If this is all by design, on his part, we should be very frightened of an Obama Presidency, indeed.
No question about it. It is all by design and he is a liar so he can execute such a design — he is a con artist, therefore, we should be very afraid.
I am just a humble sudent of history….imho…we as a country are at a cross roads…It is my belief that things are lining up for a case of EMPIRICAL WOMPASS IN THE MIDDLE EAST…in order to ensure a PAX ROMANA…
I know this is anti-constitutional…but I think it will happen anyway…
There is increasing sentiment in The Eupropean Union that is Anti-Immigrant.
There is increasing socio-political pressure within constutional republics all over the world with regards to religious fundamentalist factions…
Intense strain over natural resources…and OPEC controlling acess to Oil…
A growing ISOLATIONISM within governments….
A growing Anti-Semitism in both European and New World Countries…
** IT IS ALL LINING UP….AND HAS A FAMILIARITY TO IT…NO ? **
WCA, I know that France has a large Muslim population…and I’m assuming it is due to the Ayatollah being in exile there after the Shah took power. What is your opinion of the French charging Brigitte Bardot with anti-muslim statements? Do the French have a large Muslim majority in Government? Off subject, but you would be the one to ask.
The French government is engaged in a secular struggle with religious fundamentalists…The numbers are overwhelingly muslim in the larger cities. France used to be a Catholic Nation. After WWII the country went to concerted effort to eradicate any remaining religious undertones that implied governmental support or favoritism of one religion over another.
The Nation and it’s government insists on the literal secular interpretation of it’s constitution. This is why the secular government outlawed all public displays of religious affilitation in Govt. sponsored schools…crosses…veils…yarmulkes ( sp? )….These are not enforced in Parochial schools as long as these receive no Govt. money. France has a mixed Muslim Population…many coming from the Former Colonies in Africa…Most are Sunni…Interesting note. The Vatican has been making a concerted effort to return the Nation to the Fold….In that It recognizes what it sees as a cultural theological loss that makes the nation vulnerable to the ancient enemies of Christendom…Atheism and Heresy in whichever modern form they might appear.
It is my humble opinion that we are regressing on a familiar path and that even if the names change the forumula does not. In this the continual study of history is always relevant as it is simply the record of Human Nature….and we are always TRIBAL when it gets down to the last loaf of bread… so to speak
In Italy this week Berlesconis (sp? ) new GOVT. is busy defying the EU and rounding up the ROMA ( or Gypsies ) and deporting them…Burning the shanty towns…
In South Africa…There are riots and over 20 people deemed Illegal Immigrants have been killed….
There are growing anti-semitic crimes and rhetoric in Germany, Russia, the US, and France….There is the Deafening Roar of ISOLATIONISM…
THINGS ARE GETTIN SCARY TRIBAL…AND WE DON’T KNOW WHICH TRIBE OBAMA BELONGS TO…..If you get my drift….
And to specifically answer your question…She was slammed because the secular govt. of France don’t want no riots…I believe there will begin purges in the cities if there is another season of Muslim riots.
All European Nations have empirical pasts…When Push comes to shove all of them revert to what they know and do not bat an eye if the nation ( empire ) is at stake….They have no hesitation at all if a minority group threatens the security of the whole…This concept is of course alien to us as a nation…Mostly because we are a nation of the expelled…so to speak….But all nations that reach a capacity such as ours engage in these empirical conundrums…We are the only one that does this with an id of struggle ( ideologically speaking )…imho
** MUSLIMS FIND ASSIMILATION TO THE WEST DIFFICULT FOR THIS REASON…ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE SHIA…**
You are correct…things are scary…and we have no idea, whatsoever, of the leanings of Obama. He is not the one to preside over us. You are a great student of history. thnx for taking time to answer.
Pod people alert: they are now claiming they will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee, so they can claim we are Fox news loving Republicans for stating we will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.
Nice try, pod people but no cigar.
Forgot to add this: I will also actively campaign for McCain to make sure Obama never gets control over “the button.”
The pod people tactic only furthers my resolve to make sure Nobama.
But Hillary is way in this race, in case anyone forgot.
Whomever controls the oil bosses, controls the country.
Might want to think about that, it’s not always what you think.
Well Tom I am looking a Oil as another metaphorical commodity…In Roman times the big commodity was wheat…specifically Egyptian Wheat…
Truth is nobody wants to pay $6.00 for a loaf of bread…See what I mean..
Bread or Oil makes no difference in the bigger picture….This is about stability….PAX ROMANA = EMPIRICAL WOMPASS…I’m just sayin’
Oil has the money, though, now, think of it as the country of Chevron.
I mean, we have OPEC, right, it’s own ruling council, and Western big oil is facing threats from Asia, and Russia.
He who controls the oil controls the economy, makes the rules, rules the world.
(Learned it at my father’s knee, though we disagreed.)
In that Tom….I get it…Things are shapin up in a familiar formula.
When things go tribal…you tend to stick with your tribe nationally speaking….and I don’t see how it’s avoidable….I think it’s shakin down to matters of degrees…Either local or global..
Conventional or catastrophic….Business is business….As History shows….
IMHO…Russia and China will cut the deal and stay out of it
You’re the one that says you’ll vote for the guy that wants to stay in Iraq for 100 years and invade Iran.
If the shoe fits…
And Barry said he’d invade Iran too, and Pakistan, so your point being Bob, guess you now have to quit supporting Obama huh!
Hint: If George Bush wasn’t such a clusterfuck we’d already have had military action in Pakistan, where Bin Laden is.
And Obama didn’t say he’d invade Iran. He’s not the one that said he’d “Obliterate the country”.
Yes Obama did say he’d nuke Iran in 2004, so learn about the guy you are in love with Bob!
Just cuz Obama says different today, who cares, the wind is blowing a different way!
To bad you blindly support a lying empty suit Bob, sometimes a little learning saves a lot of embarrassment, this isn’t American Idol!
Bob…if you haven’t figured out by now that Bin Laden is a cannard then you embarrass yo’ self….JEEEEEZUS….Read a history book will ya ?
WE did take military action in Pakistan by forking over 10’s of billions in military aid to Pakistan government, getting a leader of that country assassinated, we have been involved there for decades.
Good luck with the notion that BO knows a darn thing about Pakistan. He was a tourist years ago, and two days ago proved he is ignorant even to what languages are spoken in the region.
BOB….What McCain is saying is that in order to insure A PAX ROMANA
is that we will have strategc bases and embassies in Iraq…To charecterize it otherwise is fallacious…illogical…
** WE ARE ALREADY BUILDING THE LARGEST EMBASSY IN THE WORLD IN IRAQ….So McCain is being accurate….Our presence in Iraq is assured…What is not is to what capacity we will continue in Iraq…The plan is to follow our historical strategic presence similar to that in Germany and Japan….We already have bases throughout the region…To pretend otherwise is naive…**
Ah now the McCain defenders come out.
Keep showing your true colors, No Quarter.
You BOB are a naive fool….Discussing facts is not the same as supporting them as an ideology or agreeing with them tactically..
I come to this site because I recieve informed opinions for the most part…Good stuff to ponder….
INTELLECTUAL DISCOURSE IS THE ENEMY OF FASCISM…No wonder you are so uncomfortable here…Now waddle back to GAZA…
Do you want that done in water colors or Oil!!
Paint me a picture called
“INTELLECTUAL DISCOURSE IS THE ENEMY OF FASCISM”
what period…immpressionist…Dada…Bosch?
Yawn. See you in August Bob. Plenty can happen between now and then.