Barack Obama–Why Iran but Not Hamas? [Updated]
By Larry Johnson on May 20, 2008 at 10:38 PM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Hamas, Iran, Iraq
Barack Obama, why do you insist on talking without pre-conditions to a nation that has attacked us while insisting on pre-conditions before talking to an elected terrorist group that has not directly attacked the United States? I am inclined to say this does not make sense, but then I ask: Who’s your daddy? Political daddy that is. Could it be former President, James Earl Carter? I think, yes. And for those of us old enough to remember, this is a bad thing. Unless you are at least forty three years old, you probably have no significant memory of the disaster that was the presidency of Jimmy Carter. Folks younger than forty only know Jimmy Carter as the avuncular, Habitat for Humanity guy. How can you not like a wrinkled old man wielding a hammer and wearing a nail apron who is spending his dotage building homes of the poor? Easy, just turn back the pages of history and recall his legacy:
Runaway inflation,
Dismantling the CIA,
the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan
Iran taking Americans hostage
Gas lines
So why do I say Barack is acting like a 21st Century Jimmy Carter, only not as bright?
Look at his contortions on Iran and Hamas. Ignore for a moment last week’s gaffe in which Barack claimed the reason we are having trouble in Pashto-speaking Afghanistan is because our Arabic translators are tied up in Iraq. Let’s ignore the fact that the Afghans don’t speak Arabic. Check out Barack’s contradictory positions on Iran. Speaking in Billings, Montana Barack said:
“Iran is a grave threat. It has an illicit nuclear program. It supports terrorism across the region and militias in Iraq. It threatens Israel’s existence. It denies the Holocaust,” he said. “The reason Iran is so much more powerful than it was a few years ago is because of the Bush-McCain policy of fighting in Iraq and refusing to pursue direct diplomacy with Iran. They’re the ones who have not dealt with Iran wisely.”
But later that same day, before an audience in Portland, Barack said that Iran, among others, was not a serious threat:
We can solve all problems if we just talk to these folks. But here’s the problem for Barack. He wants to convince voters that he is proposing basic diplomacy–you know, just like Reagan talking to Gorbachev–when, in fact, he is proposing the exact opposite. No President since World War II has proposed unconditional negotiations with any of our enemies. But that is exactly what Barack is proposing with respect to Iran. Accoring to the New York Times:
Making clear that he planned to talk to Iran without preconditions, Mr. Obama emphasized further that “changes in behavior” by Iran could possibly be rewarded with membership in the World Trade Organization, other economic benefits and security guarantees. . . .Senator Barack Obama said he would “engage in aggressive personal diplomacy” with Iran if elected president, and would offer economic inducements and a possible promise not to seek “regime change” if Iran stopped meddling in Iraq and cooperated on terrorism and nuclear issues.
Barack does not understand that in dealing with Iran we must make clear that there are fundamental principles we will not compromise.
So perhaps Barack Obama could explain why he insists on pre-conditions for talks with Hamas–an elected entity that has not carried out significant terrorist attacks against the United States–but not Iran, who has conducted more terrorist attacks against the United States than any country or entity in the world? In fact, one could argue that Iran’s support for groups like Hamas (and even more for Hezbollah) would make Hamas but a proxy for Iran. So Barack, depending on his physical location, believe that Iran is and is not a grave threat. He believes that we should talk to Iran without pre-conditions but should not talk to the terrorist group funded by Iran unless they meet certain conditions. Confused? You bet.
Democrats get ready. Barack Obama is Jimmy Carter without the brains. Jimmy Carter was a nuclear scientist. But his failure to confront the threat of Islamic extremism in Iran opened the door for the rise of the Ayatollah Khomeni. This in turn sent shivers through the oil markets. The price of oil went up. Supplies dipped. And Americans were introduced to gas lines. And Carter’s solution? He donned a cardigan sweater and asked Americans to turn down their thermostats to 68 degrees as preliminary steps for confronting the energy crisis. Despite his training as a nuclear scientist, Jimmy Carter was generally perceived as a naive bonehead. He was genuinely surprised when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in late 1979. His policies of placating the Soviets blew up in his face and ultimately put this nation in peril. The election of Jimmy Carter was in part a reaction to the corruption of the Republicans during Watergate. The subsequent defeat of Jimmy Carter was a reaction to his weak and feckless policies.
But Jimmy does not get all of the blame. No sir. He had a foreign policy guru–Zbigniew Breszinski. Funny thing. Guess who also is advising Barack Obama? Yep, Zbig is back. And Barack reportedly is taking some cues from him.
There is nothing wrong negotiating with rogue states and actors. But there is something very wrong and very foolish about agreeing to negotiate without preconditions. On this particular issue Barack is clearly not ready for prime time.
UPDATED–Some of you are skimming rather than reading. I do not blame Jimmy for the Soviet invasion. However, it happened on his watch and is part of his legacy. Moreover, Carter was wringing his hands and expressing surprise that the nasty old Commies would do such a thing. For those of us who were following events at the time, this simply reinforced the image of Carter as weak and feckless. That’s the point.
Barack needs an internship, not the Presidency.
The Presidency of the United States is not an entry level job.
Hang tough, Hillary!
Not good enough for an internship, either. You need top-notch people to even bother with.
This is amazingly bad: who the hell was paying no attention while Axelrod used the Middle East to fund a bumbling candidate and then used tactics centered on calling everyone who disagreed a racist?? Including Bill Clinton, for heaven’s sake - that was my eye-opener. Almost anyone but Bill Clinton. I think the answer to who was paying no attention was maybe all of us. It wasn’t until Feb 08 that I realized how dangerous O is - not just to us but to the whole world.
I thank you deeply, Larry, for running this website and keeping this commentary sharp but civil, enlightening but blunt. It is one of the things that has kept us sane the last few months. We might have avoided the trainwreck known as John Kerry if you had been around with a website.
I so very much thank you.
What a load of revisionist crap!
And I am not even an Obama supporter……yet?
Scud-
You lying sack of shit! You claimed you were a super delegate for Oblowme over 2 months ago.
Either you already forgot that you’ve used the same jackass name here before or you’re just plain delusional like Oblowme.
Carter was so worthless as a President that I stopped eating peanuts. I still have a “Fuck Iran” button from when the pricks took American hostages.
Go to your fantasy convention with your poster of Oblowme in your closet and stay the hell away from here.
Hey folks!!! Now we know who Kevin, Hey Guys et all is! The same damn idiot with such a long list of fake names that it can’t keep them straight!!
WOW …
All of those names and none of them ever used the “smart” supporter pose ???? Who would have thought of that tactic ….
You know of course that now that you have outed him he will become “enraged” and tell you that his wife is off limits? Or maybe, in Kevin’s case, his MOM?
hahahahahahaha
It is like watching a trainwreck in slo-mo
This blog? I agree. It’s come down to rewriting history to trash a great man and a good President like Jimmy Carter, all in the name of smearing the Democratic frontrunner. I keep checking to see if I mistyped the URL and stumbled onto a WorldNetDaily mirror.
Your ignorance is mind boggling. If you represent the majority of Obama supporters and their intellectual capabilities, you deserve every bit of his idiocy. For once try looking at yourself in the mirror — try some critical thinking and individual responsibility. If you are incapable of doing that, don’t bother coming back here — nobody gives a damn what YOU think.
She’s a Wizard!
“a good President like Jimmy Carter” ??????? Wow! First let me say that I agree that Pres. Carter is a good man (despite some recent poor decisions). However, there is no way to describe his presidency as anything but a miserable failure. Larry mentions many of the problems, though he misses High Unemployment and many others. I’m sorry but he was a failure, an honest, noble failure but a failure nonetheless.
Granted, Carter was surprised by the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, but given it finally BROKE the back of the Eastern Block, or at least pushed it into transition, was it bad, in the greater scheme, for the US?
Well all things being relative…Before the collapse of the Soviet Union the present instability was unfathomable…No ?
I am not a proponent of the old order…just an observer…
But if the order were to break no matter what, and it would, the economy of the USSR wouldn’t sustain, how would, or could, the US handle it?
It almost has to be proactive, doesn’t it?
If, for instance, terrorism, and those loose nukes and mob ties were to go no matter what, how best to contain it?
Very frightening for people to think about, no one wants their fantasy of a safe world interrupted, and simple military might isn’t enough.
I said the other day people were unaware how great NASA was in insuring only a few died in space, the rigor of their work, I guess the same can be said for US intelligence, keeping this country, the world, safe, despite all the VERY REAL threats.
Threats an Obama or a McCain aren’t prepared to handle.
Cheney thinks if you just bomb it will be OK, doesnt work that way, it’s what the enemy wants.
This is one example of an EMPIRICAL CONUNDRUM…a concept Americans are both uncomfortable with and have no real cutural affliation with…Mostly empires are excellent at one thing… stability until they choose to expand….
But expansion is (usually) always for greed, and that doesn’t work.
So you have to figure out different ways to maintain power, you can’t think, or behave selfishly, you want win win…
(The US functions as a stabilizer, before anyone goes off on Yankee imperialism, which never excuses bad acts but we are ALL better off with a politically healthy US)
Expansion happens for many reasons as history shows.
For instance China would regularly expand due to an inability to feed it’s own…Hence khan and the boys…
The Hun is due to an occasional fight of reason coupled with unrealistic expectations of grandure…The Spanish a zeal for conquest coupled with Jesus…
It is no always about Money…But it is always about Power.
This is what the Romans and the British understood so well….They were each the most successful Empires in the West….A lot of this that we are dealing with now is a result of the collapse of the Ottoman Empire…
EMPIRES = STABILITY = BRUTAL ENFORCEMENT OF THE SOCIAL ORDER….
Americans are seen by many in Europe and other empirical countries as hopeless idealists…with too many guns….if you get my drift….we are loose cannons…
Well, perception, as you said…
I don’t really blame him for the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. But the collapse of the economy and his incompetent response to the Iran hostage crisis are the defining aspects of his presidency.
The Soviet Union was already internally crumbling and would have eventually fell under its own weight anyway. Afghanistan may have hastened the fall some what, but that is all. Reagan’s policy against the Soviet Union was also not the sole or even key to it’s disintegration. The disintegration of the Soviet Union was more complex.
Given that information, how then does terrorism function, given the US helped “give rise” to it?
Interesting, thanks.
(It is a de facto political system, I see it as such).
Essentially it is tribal warfare…The Jihad of AlQueda seeks to unite the tribes….He is recruiting fighters but has yet to convince tribal chieftains…Fighting for Allah is good and all but can I feed the village…and by the way Whose Allah are we fighting for…and does this mean those that are not our inda muslims….etc….God Forbid these freaks get their own George Washington…or Wellington…Or Napoleon…
Are they actually terrorists, or are they just being “good Muslims”? They are following Islam very acurately, fundamentally. While I certainly don’t agree with their methods, and have my own ideas what should be done with them, I believe labeling them terrorists is oversimplifying. Political Islam has been on the march for 1400 years, and it’s gaining momentum.
A big target like the U.S. will have to be taken down from the inside, bottom up. The few “flowery” snippets of the Koran, Hadith and Sura that are presented as proof of Islam’s peaceful nature are strictly propaganda. How the U.S. intends to win the “war on terror” without reading and comprehending Islam’s ideology is beyond me.
It’s the tactic, though, right?
And what does motivate violent behavior, in anyone?
Along those lines, is Ayers any different from Osama, at root?
There was not a religion component to the Weather Underground, as far as I know. Ayers raised his two sons as Muslims, so who knows what runs through his head these days. A recent photo of the door to his office had a sign that read Abu-Zayd… father of Zayd, with Zayd being the name of one of his sons. Outside of that, I haven’t read anywhere that he actually converted to Islam. Strange that he would raise his sons Muslim if he isn’t. Another Obama “associate” with direct/indirect connections to Islam.
Osama has more testicular fortitude than Ayers ever did, making him more dangerous from a physical violence standpoint. Political Islam is less selective as to targets than the Weathermen were. Islam views all Kafirs (unbelievers) as legitimate targets.
Ayers is currently dangerous in a different manner these days. He is in position to influence education in America. Pundita did an excellent write up on Ayers today. You can find it at her website, and at RezkoWatch.
While Ayers wants to replace the current system of government with one that is more to his liking, Osama wants the U.S. out of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iraq. Political Islam wants to have us submit to Allah, and add us to the list of conquests. Violence will be used to attempt to drive us out of the Middle East, while Islam will insinuate itself into all aspects of American life… drip, drip, drip… one drop at a time.
agree…solidarity anyone…and then there was tito and chachesque sp?…It was going to happen we jus did not expect it all at once and the resulting vaccum has led to other unexpected consequences…
Tom Plumb repesctfully.
And from this OBL was born.
On purpose, though?
Just throwing things, my imagination, sorry…
just throwing things out, sorry, kind of like brainstorming…
There is so much history that is not discussed and means a great deal in the context of what is happening today…
You have great points ! No apology ever required in my direction.
No Big and No apology is required!!
You make great points!
There is so much history that is not discussed in the context of where this country is today…So much to learn…
Ash
How the hell old are you? You have NO idea what you are talking about.
Jimmy Carter was a DISGRACE to this nation! The American people were HUMILIATED by his weak leadership.
Hamas Loves Barack. That’s why they endorsed him with a wink-wink.
But, he can CHANGE that!
Yes, He Can!
Kumbayah Time, kiddies, then get your rugs and we’ll have a nap. And it’s all good, because, even if Obama doesn’t always know best, Big Sister Michelle surely does.
Well I am sure he would have no problem with their cultural behaviors towards women.
Just as a point of fact: how was Jimmy Carter or his foreign policy advisor Breszinzky responsible for the Soviets’ decision to invade Afghanistan? I’ve always placed that bad decision on the Soviets themselves. Carter, at least, took a stand on the matter, but what more could he really do?
Later, Charlie Wilson seems to have taken matters into his own hands, but that proved a risky and disastrous policy too. US secret intervention in Afghanistan built up the warlords, not civil society, and there was no US follow up after the withdrawal of the Soviet troops. Hell, the American public didn’t even know we were fighting that fight!
Really, I’m asking you Larry (or anyone else who specializes in that part of the world), because I know you must have a lot of background on this that I don’t.
Dana B,.
Not sure where the original is.
try this –
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html
I think sometimes we want some measure of surety, some measure of safety when dealing with events of this magnitude.
It’s ironic, we’re willing to confront events concerning the US in Eastern Europe, or even the middle east, but no one wants to look realistically at what is going on at home.
How can one understand how critical the events in the USSR, or the middle east, yet turn a blind eye to Obama?
Or even Bush, Cheney or McCain?
Susaninbosque made a very good point regarding Axelrod funding Obama through the Middle East.
What are the implications for the United States?
Tom Plumb , if you recall Al gore got slammed by Re-thugs for campaign donations from China….
BO is going to be grated cheese from Khalidi working the phones in GAZA for BO…
I love it when BO does something “controversial”.
rjj:
Thanks for that link. It was quite helpful. I had no idea that Carter and Breszinski provided secret aid to anti-government forces in Afghanistan BEFORE the Soviet invasion. I had no idea they intended to lure the Soviet Union’s leaders into a devastating war.
More important in that link was the insight it gave me into Breszinski. He brushed off as unimportant the destruction of Afghanistan, so long as it helped give the Soviets their own Vietnam. And while I agree with Mr. B. that the Soviet Union was a greater threat to the U.S and its allies than the rise of international islamic terrorism has to date been, it seems stupid to slay one dragon only to create another powerful and awful one.
I think the ol addage…if you give an inch they will take a mile…perhaps ?
You’re all wrong!! He didn’t lie! He never lies! Grave isn’t the same as serious! Don’t you understand? Iran is a grave threat but not a serious one! I’d explain but it’s to complicated for undereducated, inbred, racist, roe vs. wade hating, Clinton deadenders.
Why do you bother with all this stuff? Can’t you see he’s the ONE!
Leave Bawack alone and I’m not crying, I got something in my eye!
lol
Larry Larry Larry!
You give Barry too much credit! Barry doesn’t say what he feels! Barry has no opinions! Barry has only an agenda! And Barry’s agenda is determined by his backers!
Larry Larry!
Barry’s most used lie lines:
“That’s not what I said!”
“That’s a debate I will be happy to have”
Barrack KNOWS what its like to be called an incompetnet bafoon with too much money and not enough experience.
Barrack aint never had to work hard and gain experience and respect like Hillary.
Hillary aint never been handed cash for votes by influence peddlers and the people who push legislation through to stack commitees as puppet votes for them.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABut Barack “No more politics as usual” Obama has lured many with this lie. Instead of laughing you should try to see the hypocrisy of this.
When faced with the prospect of just another politician, I have chosen Hillary because she is more competent, knows the issues and is not running around with her foot in her mouth proving at every step she doesn’t know what she’s talking about. Barack’s ignorance and total lack of preparedness is no laughing matter. Not at this time in history. Not with Putin chomping at the bit in the background pulling Medyevev’s strings and looking to engage.
You think the world isn’t watching as Hilllary proves how strong she is and Obama pales in comparison. World leaders are licking their chops at the prospect of making Obama and the US their bitch.
No thanks!
“More competent”, you say.
Yet squandered a vast headstart in fundraising and political connections in the course of losing to a first-term Senator named HUSSEIN. [The house style here does call for all-caps, yeah?]
There seems to be a contradiction here.
Joe Beese -
I agree that it’s hard to beieve that the Democrats could be so stupid as to pit Barack HUSSEIN Obama:
afraid to release terrorist passport stamps,
best bud Tony “The Fixer” Rezko,
with whitey hating preacher and wife v.
a true war hero.
The Dems can’t say that they didn’t do it to themselves. And I will be keeping my cash from the kiddies and kooks who seem to be in charge of the jackass party today.
Screw Donkey Brazziere & Coward!
what happened to your Post Ash?
It looks like O you under the bus as well…all flat n’ all. I “hope” you are ok under there…
Hell, he isn’t even ready for Saturday afternoon reruns.
Oh, G-d. Did you have to remind me? I remember sitting in those gas lines. I thanked my lucky stars at the time that I was driving a Volkswagen Karmann Ghia and could drive for weeks at a time on a tank of gas. Those were AWFUL times. He was, without a doubt, one of THE WORST presidents EVER. BUSH is THE WORST.
Sure, he’s done fine things since leaving office, but his Apartheid book and his love affair with Hamas has completely turned me away from the man.
He was TOO NICE and it didn’t work. That’s exactly what Mr. Hope plans to be…”nice” and actually believes that if you just schmooze those people, they’ll come around. Nope. It won’t work. Been there, done that.
I heard someone on Fox today who mentioned that Mr. Hope is sounding an awful lot like Jimmy Carter these days. They went on to play a Carter speech and a Mr. Hope speech to compare the 2, but I had to leave and missed them.
You’re spot on with this comparison.
I happen to love President Carter
I served 6 yrs in the Army, 4 of it under Carter.
Guess what? I was NEVER SENT IN TO WAR!! I don’t remember any of the rest of what you blame him for and I came out of it pretty well intact so I can’t believe this new found blog I love has just stabbed me in the heart.
I’m 52. Carter was a good President. I’m very sad to find this place is hostile to one of my heroes.
I’ve lost enough of them lately. I won’t lose another.
If Carter comes out and endorses Odrama on TV like Kennedy did? I will have to think he has a brain tumor as well. I still will never hate him.
Don’t hate for for not agreeing with you.
sorry Larry
sorry Susan
I really do love this place though
Dawnelle,
You are welcome to disagree. No problem.
Thank you!
I understand that you are 100 times smarter than me about the inner story of that part in History.
I know that. I’m just sad about all the (mostly men) that I used to look UP to until this campaign began that have shown their true colors. If Jimmy does it to me I just don’t know if I will be able to stand it!!
I hope I’m not giving him more credit than he deserves.
Dawnelle– I have great fondness for Carter, too. Those were kind years for our country, and we did not face what we face now. I wish we could get back to the place we all knew. We will, if Hillary wins. We have to.
100 times smarter? C’mon dear. I don’t administer SATs for access here. We can simply agree to have a different impression about that time period. I don’t doubt that Jimmy Carter was well meaning. But good intentions did not translate into good actions.
LJ
Hey Larry I’m waiting for one of those wannabe secret agent trolls to come in here and talk about the broken mailbox again.
Dawnelle….Although we are each entitiled to an opinion I believe that St. Jimmy was a pretty bad president…Now some of this was due to events beyond his control but that being said…I remeber the hope he offered when eleced and the crushing reality of the reaction to the aftermath of his presidency….He has also lost ost of his credbility with his recent mid-east
adventures. The problem with St. Jimmy is that he refuses to admit that he is wrong….You cannot expct to have reasonable talks with irrational folks.
The man has allowed his Pride to cloud his actions and his judgment.
The best thing he did was Egypt-Israeli Peace agreement…But look where we are 30 yrs. later ?
I understand what you are saying. I do. But again for ME, the best thing he did for ME, was to NOT take me into a FRAUDULENT war of lies!
I really do appreciate that.
Especially NOw THAT this maniac President has cause so much damage and death. The comparison is stark!
imo
Thats ok…Why we all of us love this site…And I respect both your experience and your opinion….I just beg to differ on my assessment.
By the Way up until few weeks ago I greatly admired Carter…Still do with the exception of his foolish spinabout towards Israel and the Obama thing….I cut him a little slack due to age…But when he actively participates in the current state pf the party towards its destruction..Well as a senior party leader I think he ouhta do something about it…But my opinion is like my ass everyone has one.
Dawnelle -
I think that was part of his problem. He was seen as weak and unwilling to go to war.
Not a good thing in a President.
Too many times I’ve seen things escalate or disintegrate because someone didn’t master the art of negotiation.
I get your point though. It’s not better to start dumbass wars.
McCain has been tested as much as anybody I can think of now. I’m not crazy about all of his politics, but I don’t trust Oblowme to do anything other than what his terrorist handlers dictate.
If HRC doesn’t get the nomination, I’ll be one pissed off former Democrat.
I’m grateful that you’re here. I enjoy your posts.
Mike:
Thank you. I believe, too, that war should always be the last resort, but you should never indicate that you won’t go to war. What the press did — upper right hand corner “America Held Hostage Day # ___” fed right into voters feeling like they too were a hostage. RR rode in on his horse and inspired people to believe that he wouldn’t countenance the public humiliation of our nation. Carter’s hand wringing was not an effective counter balance.
As someone with military training, Carter knew all of this and did nothing. It was awful to watch.
bee -
Wow! You’ve got a way with words. It all comes back in one sickening wave.
Where the hell was Oblowme during the Daily American Hostage Count-up? Who the hell really knows!
Did you Spring Break-It in Pakistan? Do you know anyone who did? Wanted to?
Back then, it would have been even worse - if that’s possible. I remember the Iranians in the U.S. were calling themselves Persians, it was so awful.
Well, here’s to more pleasant thoughts of four years of someone other than Carter and Oblowme in the WH.
It’s ok dawnelle. we love you too.
YEAH! As the hard truths come out, we need to remember good and bad things. Or in my case learn things. I know that I do from Larry. The writing will get harder, cutting into bone, as this goes on. I love the people here. I mean that. Larry I don’t know how to use those book mark things but if I cut and paste your heds I think that is a trackback. Uppity and Susan, Dawnelle — like with Riverdaughter — to me, you are my “sisters” like from the 70’s. I swear.
It’s too scary right now with this war. We can’t afford the wrong, unintelligent choices. Back in the 70’s we didn’t have the poverty, the layoffs, the outsourcing of our American jobs. We didn’t have the healthcare crisis or the homeless crisis. We didn’t have the death of the American Dream. Or the death of journalism. We didn’t have the media spin, or even the internet. We did not have candidates running as logos and target marketing. We had the FEC protecting us until now.
We have to get this one right, this time. We will not take another hanging chad style hostile corporate takeover. It can’t happen.
My parents were laid off every single winter, both were home for at least 4 months straight during the energy crisis due to lack of work.
Homelessness was an issue for many, particularly the Viet Nam veterans.
Health care was better, you’re right, and we did have a more honest media, no doubt about that, they took their responsibility very seriously, antagonists to the politicians, as opposed to their lap dogs.
Now it’s done on the Internet, real journalism.
At least for the time being the net is free thought and free speech and I find that here….I am addicted to this forum…It is my solace during this primary season…and my kid appreciates NQ too as I stay out of her hair…chuckle…
Tom-
Let me respectfully disagree with a few of your points. You say healthcare was better. I don’t remember people back then getting heart bypasses as a routine operation. They were major surgery. No knee replacements, hip replacements, and few organ transplants. Healthcare was certainly cheaper but the depth of care was much more shallow.
Also, how did we know if the media was honest then? As long as they were consistent, we had to believe them. There was no good way to check. Cronkite’s announcement of Tet as a failure for the US forces is a good example.
EXCELLENT LARRY….Keep up the pressure…NQ is vital right now…thanks
Obama’s a blank slate, someone to project all your hopes and dreams upon. If you want a tea party with Iran, then Obama’s your guy. If you don’t, that’s cool, Obama’s your guy too. He’s everybody’s guy. He’s all things to all people all the time, he’s The Chosen One.
He could never renounce his crazy uncle except when he could. He could never turn his back on the black community except when he could. Flip flop. Flip flop.
Hey, does anybody know if he windsurfs?
He’s all things to all people and nothing to anybody.
Obama gaffes again–this time Hanford.
Hanford is the most polluted site in the US, and happens to be located in the Pacific Northwest.
Obama also voted to clean the site in a 2005 bill.
But when asked by a young woman what he planned to do about Hanford–since it is so polluted, and a clean up would provide a boost to the local economy–he admitted that he was unfamiliar with Hanford.
First, just three years ago he voted on a bill to clean up the site. Second, he was stumping in the Pacific Northwest.
The man didn’t do his homework in the Senate, and he didn’t do his homework before his stump in the Pacific Northwest.
Intellectually lazy and unqualified are understatements.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGZbgMQZATs
The bill’s details:
Introduced–Apr 26, 2005
Scheduled for Debate–May 20, 2005
Amendments (10 proposed) [details]
Passed House [details]–May 25, 2005
Passed Senate–Nov 15, 2005
Differences Resolved–Dec 19, 2005
Signed by President–Jan 6, 2006
Obama’s vote on H.R. 1815 via Govtrack (scroll down to Illinois)
Let’s get local Oregon media to run with this story.
Email local stations, and newspapers.
And if you have the time, CALL OREGON!
I guess we have just taken BO`s words out of context again. How many times will surrogates come on TV to tell what Obama meant to say was….
Hanford is a deadly stew and up river from Portland.
Hanford is in WA state — on the Columbia River. The Columbia Rive separates WA and Oregon.
Oh wait a minute — see the Columbia River is so huge that snObama thinks it is Lake Columbia — that’s were his problem is. He doesn’t understand the difference between a really really huge rive and a Lake.
I recall a Senator from Washington during a hearing last year saying how the sites GROUND WATER contamination is migrating into the Columbia River basin…when that happens …FUBAR
Hanford is a deadly waste site and up river from Portland.
ON another topic
that pathetic snake Dick Morris just told Cavuto to “stay home tonight and not watch tv it didn’t matter about the returns”
“Hillary is only still in this for 2012″
HIS WORDS
what a MOFO
Dick Morris has an address at LoonyToon, USA.
Unless you’re just watching him for the laughs.
I do.
Hey Tom,
Wasn’t Dick Morris a political advisor to Bill Clinton? And didn’t he get kicked to the curb for bragging about his influence over the president and what policies were about to be pushed, etc.? And wasn’t that bragging done to impress a woman he was paying for sex in a beltway hotel?
I don’t understand why FOX keeps having this hack comment. He’s so consumed by hatred for both the Clintons (though as a card-carrying misogynist he reserves most of his venom for Hillary)that his comments lack any toehold in reality.
Who was fired after the great toe sucking escapade, right?
Nuff said, at least they knew to trash the loony.
Bitter much?
Dick Morris. LOLOL.