Josh Marshall Doesn’t Seem to Understand Florida: Let Me Explain
By Deb Cupples on May 23, 2008 at 7:02 AM in Current Affairs, DNC, Delegates, Democracy, Democrats, Disenfranchisement, Florida, Howard Dean, Talking Points Memo, Voter Enfranchisement
Yesterday, TPM’s Josh Marshall or the “person who kidnapped Josh” (phrase from Lambert at Corrente) complains:
“…Then we have a speech like Sen. Clinton’s yesterday in Florida in which she compared the controversy over seating the Florida and Michigan delegates to the Florida recount debacle and many of the great voting and civil rights battles of the 20th century….
“What she’s doing is not securing her the nomination. Rather, she’s gunning up a lot of her supporters to believe that the nomination was stolen from her — a belief many won’t soon abandon….”
For months, in fact, many of us Floridians have drawn parallels between Recount 2000 and the DNC’s stripping Florida of 100% of its delegates — including some of my politically astute, Obama-supporting friends.
Hillary isn’t to blame for that sentiment — and it certainly didn’t result from a speech she made yesterday.
For the millionth time, Florida Democrats had no power to block the moving of Florida’s primary election. Thus, the DNC should not have “punished” Florida Democrats.
Our state legislature moved the primary dates, an entity on which the DNC’s rules are not legally binding. Our State House has about 77 Republicans to 43 Democrats. Republicans constitute about 60% of our State Senate.
In short, Florida Republicans can unilaterally pass or block any legislation they want. They could have moved the primary date without a single Dem vote.
Instead, they wanted Dems to go on record voting for it, so they tied the primary-date provision to a provision requiring paper trails for those touchscreen voting machines that ex-Sec. of State Katherine Harris had persuaded our big counties to buy.
For an idea of how well paperless voting has worked in Florida, see this article about paperless voting machines that reversed the results of a Medley, Florida, election in 2002 (scary stuff). Even better, the Equal Justice Foundation has a list of documented paperless voting-machine problems throughout the U.S.
The upshot: it is for very good reasons that Florida Dems wanted a paper trail, but state Republicans effortlessly blocked Dems’ efforts for years.
Last year, out of the blue, the Republicans decided to give the Dems their paper trail — but only if the provision was in the same bill that included the moving of Florida’s 2008 primary election.
Why, you may wonder, would our state Republicans do something like that? What could they possibly gain?
My guess is that they wanted the DNC to “punish” Florida Dems, which would in turn anger Florida’s Dem voters, which could in turn cause some of those Dems to stop donating money and to stay at home in November 2008 — or to vote for the party that ironically didn’t disenfranchise them this time around.
What other reason could there be, given that the Republicans had the numbers to unilaterally change the primary date and block the paper trail?
Think about it.
If that was Florida Republicans’ plan, then it obviously worked: the DNC reacted in the harshest way possible against their own voters.
Many of us Florida Dems are furious at the DNC for having done so — and would be whether Obama or Hillary were in the lead now.
Adding fuel to the fury, the DNC was not without a choice in its handling of Florida.
According to research printed at No Quarter, the DNC’s rules did not require the 100% stripping of Florida’s delegates — even if Florida Dems had intentionally moved the primary. Instead, the rules required a 50% stripping, and that’s only if Florida Dems had failed to act in good faith.
In fact, Florida Dems did act in good faith: they just didn’t have the power to bring about tangible results. This is a pitiful state of affairs with which we Floridians have lived for years (you can see evidence in our education system — one of the nation’s worst, despite our state’s relative wealth).
If you want background, Wayne Barrett published an accurate explanation at the Huffington Post of what happened in Florida — and of how the DNC reacted both irrationally and unfairly.
For reasons most of us Florida Dems don’t grasp, the DNC didn’t even listen to explanations by our state party leader, former Congresswoman Karen Thurman. Incidentally, she’s no longer in Congress, because state Republicans carved up her district during the 2000 reapportionment.
Giving credit where it’s due, our state Republicans are exceptional at strategizing.
As though there weren’t enough fuel in the fire, the DNC took the extra step of treating other states differently than Florida, showing leniency to New Hampshire, Iowa and South Carolina after they had moved their primary dates.
Many politically aware Florida Dems have known about all this for months, which is why so many of them now refuse to give the DNC money. Some even asked for refunds of their past donations.
Many Florida Dems are also considering becoming NPAs (our way of saying “Independents”) unless Florida’s primary is counted and new DNC leadership is installed.
And there is solid cause for Florida Dems’ resentment: given the facts and events, it’s obvious that the DNC intentionally disenfranchised Florida — with ears closed and eyes wide open.
Our own U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson talked about challenging the DNC’s decision last August, and the fury of Florida Dems has been building ever since.
That DNC “leaders” have refused to fix the Florida mess that they had caused — and that they had the nerve to suggest pretend solutions, like seating our state’s delegates after the nominee is chosen — has only stoked said resentment yet again.
In short, DNC “leaders” — themselves — caused the resentment that Florida Democrats now feel toward their own party and said “leaders” have insisted on continuing to exacerbate the situation. Now they want party unity?
It’s a shame that the entire nation may have to live with the consequences of a few people’s dismal decisions — unless Florida (our nation’s fourth largest state) ends up not mattering in November’s election. I guess we’ll see.
Memeorandum has commentary.
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Very well and succinctly put.
DNC played right into the republicans hand, and they don’t even see it. This is not going away for Fl or Mi. Shun us now, and we will shun you down the road. You just don’t take away a peoples right to vote in our own Democracy, or take away our voice. These are sacred.
Bingo: DNC did play right into FL Republicans’ hands. And don’t they look utterly foolish for having done so?
I have no doubt that many other Florida Democrats, such as myself, recognized the parallels, predicted the impending disaster, and waited hopefully for Hillary to stand up and speak for us as she did this week. Her speech was phenomenal.
Josh has absolutely lost it. I used to read him religiously, but not for some time now, and never again.
I stopped read his electronic rag after Greg Sargent chastised Hillary for demanding something to be done when that Dave Scheister called Chelsea a whore and Bill and Hill her pimps. I knew then that Toilet Paper Meme had lost all objectivity.
Hi Blue,
I didn’t realize that we’re fellow (disenfranchised) Floridians.
I know that my Floridian co-blogger at Buck Naked Politics and I were talking about parallels between Recount 2000 and the FL disenfranchisement a few months ago — so I suspect that others in our sometimes-great state were also.
I’ve been having to watch from out of state right now, but have no doubt that Florida will be handed to McCain on a silver platter, if Obama gets the ticket.
I’m headed back to the panhandle this weekend and expect to hear all about it!
E. Stoddard
Exactly right - take away my voice and I’m taking away my support.
Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina all broke the rules with no consequence. They all voted too early according to DNC by laws.
Yet Florida is stripped of all delegates. Shoot, the Republicans only took away half.
And the agreement the candidates signed was an agreement not to campaign here. Obama broke that rule but he doesn’t face any consequences either.
I am now proudly NPA.
Lynne,
Interestingly enough, some FL legislators began talking about opening up our primaries — which would make it easier for Floridians to become NPAs.
I can’t help but wondering if our state Rs had this in mind all along. They really are good strategists.
Thank you, Deb. That was the clearest explanation I’ve yet seen for the complicated mess in Florida.
And thank you for the compliment!
I just wish that more people would speak/write as though they understand what really happened.
The whole country stands behind FL and MI.
How very undemocratic of the Democratic party.
THE ACTIONS OF THE DNC DEFY LOGIC AND PARTY PRINCIPALS….no ?
Donkey Brazziere?
TOOOOOOOO funny. I’m still cackling over your handle.
One small correction: “the person who kidnapped Josh Marshall” is a phrase coined by the incomparable Bob Somerby of The Daily Howler. Lambert of Corrente and other pro-Hillary blogs have adopted it, in some cases as the initialism TGWKJM (G for “guy”).
Love the Daily Howler….It is Brilliant have to say….
Josh Marshall can only hope a man would kidnap him. Marshall seems like the type who has kidnap and rape fantasies. Just look at him.
Swift,
Thanks for pointing out Daily Howler. I’m very sorry that I mis-credited that brilliant line. And thanks for the initials.
What else would anyone expect of Howard Dean? Put him in the same socialist column as Obama and it is easy to see why the DNC is dead set on discounting Florida and Michigan votes that went for Clinton. The truth of the matter can be understood by understanding why Dean traveled to Europe to give the key note speech to PES (Party of European Socialist) back in 2006, Dec. 11. And Obama’s ties to communist activists. Both Howard Dean and Barack Obama are working for the same cause seeing as how the father of the communist party is also the father of the Socialist Party. Simply stated Both Dean and Obama are in the process of changing the democratic party as we now know it. This makes it easy to understand why Obama gets so many of the young college students when it is also understood that the schools are now saturated with the text books authored by the likes of William Ayers and his “Social Justice”.
They are corrupt, I’d look at the money.
Ideology goes out the door when it comes to cash with that whole group, they’re hookers.
Not that they wouldn’t try though look at Cheney.
O is only a socialist for himself. He is really a Republican; who else wants to junk Social Security?
I can always tell when Hillary’s continuing presence and power is evident. It brings out the worst of the bloggers for Obama. She is hitting the sweet spot on this, not because of her speech so much but rather because her speech resonates with voters.
That is what is bothering them.
As usual, they beg the question and attack her instead.
Apparently, Hillary has 13 supporters on the rules committee. Obama has 8. There are 7 who are neutral. I think I remembered the numbers right. Donna Brazile wants a compromise, but it must ensure Obama’s continued lead. *blink*
There is only one compromise I can think of that would be even remotely fair. Take away 50% but the delegates must represent the votes as cast. Otherwise, it is a farce.
Then the number required to win the nomination must be adjusted accordingly.
That’s the only compromise that is fair to voters.
I believe there should be no compromise….SEAT FL/MI….the Voters have spoken….Obama’s strategy backfired on him now….and in Nov. if the DNC continues it’s suicidal irrational behavior…We will make the EXODUS OF REAGAN DEMOCRATS PALE IN COMPARISON….
Ann,
You’re right: they’re bothered only because Hillary benefited from standing up for FL — while Obama will truly look illegitimate (NO play on words) if he wins the nomination without having fought for FL and MI.
If Obama will still be ahead in the delegate count if they count FL with their votes “as is” and MI with Hillary getting her votes and Obama not getting any because he took his name off the list, why is Dean so dead-set against allowing this to be resolved? His golden boy will still have more delegates, no? It way past time to fix this mess. I have the feeling that there was some kind of deal with the SD’s that Obama had to have a certain number above Hillary in order for them to vote for him and with FL and MI going to Hillary, he won’t be hitting that magic number. There has to be some kind of dirty deal going on.
As far as I can tell he is playing a semantics game. He and his minions continue to scoff at her popular vote win BECAUSE she includes MI and FL in the count. If he compromises before he reaches the 2026 number, he will not only have to move the goal to 2210 but he will also be behind in the popular vote count.
It’s all silly. These are metrics to evaluate “the will of the people.” In terms of the SD decision, all metrics should be considered as they try to determine the true will of the people.
And even the will of the people in such a tight race is pretty much a wash. 1/2 want him. 1/2 want her. It’s too tight to say definitively one way or the other.
Then the SDs should look at electability. That’s where he’s nervous. She is showing stronger than him in head-to-head polls in nearly all the key swing states and the must win states. He loses by today’s head-to-head polls to McCain. She wins.
That’s why the SDs aren’t yet jumping. And his talk in Florida with Jewish leaders? Omogid. Someone get the man off the trail. He talked to them like they were his youth group. “Don’t judge me by my name.” These are seasoned leaders in the community, and he thinks they are reading crap e-mails and thinking he’s Muslim? His other big point? “Be careful of judgment by association.” *blink* His statements are “I like Israel, too.” basically. That’s not going to cut it.
Hillary isn’t rallying the people on this issue. Hillary is listening to the will of the people on the issue and speaking for their cause.
There is a huge difference.
Agree…Of course for the general I believe 1/2 of Obama’s current support will desert him as it was phony to begin with…Clinton commands 2/3 of the traditional base….The demographic Donna Putin told to Fuck Off…The New Demofascist Party don’t need em’…
Mary Ellen,
I agree re: the dirty deal. The fact that Brazile and Dean have misleadingly spoken in public about FL is evidence enough that they don’t have facts on their side but do have a motive for disenfranchising FL.
I wish I knew the details. Maybe President Bush could get one of those Telecoms he’s so fond of to bug DNC headquarters (electronically, not the way that Nixon did it in ‘72).
Then again, Bush might want to share the democrat-enraging details but he wouldn’t, because he’d end up in prison.
I guess we’ll likely never learn what the DNC’s “leaders” really had in mind when playing the game as it has.
I agree on all..but must point out that the one who first pointed out that Josh must have been kidnapped and replaced by a dumber doppleganger was my dear pal - the Daily Howler (aka Bob Somerby)
A while ago someone on this site floated the possibility that Power Brokers in the DNC…WHOM I REFER TO AS THE DEMOGLIARCHY in Donna Putin’s New Democratic party actually intended to lose the election because they percieve the next administration as being an automatic failure because of the insurmountable problems left by GWB…I dismissed this a hopelessly cynical…
Now I pause….and ponder….
** Really like most humans I seek some sort of rational explaination for the inexplicable….The DNC has consistently acted against it’s own interests **
” In a republican nation, whose citizens are to be led by reason and persuasion…and not by force…The art of reasoning becomes of first importance…” Thomas Jefferson
WHY WOULD I SUPPORT A PARTY WHO DOES NOT SUPPORT ME…IT DEFIES LOGIC…
They are not that smart, I think ultimately this is driven to hide corruption.
They are ALL lining their pockets, all on the gravy train, and as much as they LIE to themselves, they’re trying to stay out of jail.
How many Hasterts, and Edlemans and Delays and Cunninghams are there?
Almost all of them…
Point taken Tom…Just mentioning my attempts to understand clearly irrational behavior in the DEMOGLIARCHY…Hmmm….
“or the person who kidnapped Josh”
LOL I love that. It does feel that way. I used to read their blog daily, several articles on their for over a year, but haven’t checked in for 2 months probably. Sadly had to give up on many of my (old) fav blogs due to this obamabot craze.
I removed his bookmark back in April when he was using the “Hillary voted for the war” line. As many of you will recall, Josh was troubled by the war push, but ultimately was more hawkish about the need for it than Clinton ever was.
They just don’t make PhDs like they used to anymore (fact).
The minute PhDs publish they are identified and lobotomized
I was looking at a small Obamabot blog yesterday, and they were all pissed about Hillary’s speech, but added that it didn’t matter because Hillary was seen giving a speech and there were a lot of senior citizens in the audience and Barack was at a rally where they were all “young and vibrant “new” Democrats”. Then they added that Hillary could have all the senior citizens, they don’t need them in “their” party anymore.
How clueless are these people? If this is the attitude of these clowns, what’s going to happen to social security and prescription drug programs that the elderly depend on? Is Obama’s “new” party the “Solient Green” party? Get rid of the old to make room for the young?
LOL….SOYLENT GREEN…I bought that movie for my kid to watch…Tis unnerving…No ?
Lotta “young people” were thinking the same way in 1972.
Richard Nixon won in a landslide.
” The aged, by definition, have lived a long life….Longer at any rate than the greater part of their particular society. Having lived comparitively longer lives…THEY HAVE A GOOD DEAL MORE EXPERIENCE IN THE WORLD…. Therefore they are INVALUABLE and IRREPLACEABLE REPOSITORIES of EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE….Both of which are ESSENTIAL to the proper functioning and ultimate SURVIVAL of the COMMUNITY…..Consequently…from a purely practical point of view…it would be bad POLICY to get rid of the aged…” Eike-Henner W. Kluge
** Experience counts anyway you cut it…To believe otherwise is idiotic
Gee, anybody remember “don’t trust anyone over 30″? THAT worked out well didn it!
The attitude of some Obama supporters is downright awful. I wonder why Obama doesn’t take the podium and use his (possibly over-rated) eloquence and aura to discourage the hatred.
Arius- I know how you feel. There are so few blogs to read anymore. Even the small blogs that I used to network are all Obamabots.
OT-
Look at the headline on Raw Story: “Obama Clinton camp in formal talks”
http://rawstory.com/
I won’t vote for obama to be president of this country no matter if he makes santa claus his VP!
Again, Obama is corrupt.
He goes to jail.
Trying to keep it real for those guys…
LOL
i have tabs on this (crappy) IE7 browser and i used to have HuffPo as one of my tabs, now I don’t even go there! many sites i rarely visit that i used to visit many times a day. That’s ok, i live in vegas, it just gives me more time to go play poker!
Comment by Fosbach | 2008-05-23 08:26:15
Clinton Campaign in Talks With Obama About VP Slot, CNN Says
CNN doesn’t report news,they report rumors.
Even if Hillary was on the ticket, I wouldn’t vote for Obama. And to be honest, Hillary would be better off in the Senate where she can do more work. If she’s Obama’s VP, she’ll be going to tea parties and funerals, while Obama picks her brains for what to do next…all the while taking credit for it.
New York needs Hillary, and we need her in the Senate.
The Republicans rigged the election in 2000. The Republicans rigged the election in 2008. The only difference is that this time they have done it with DNC complicity.
Josh Marshall doesn’t seem to understand anything other than his Cult worship.
ha ha you wrote almost the same thing i said about not voting for obama.
I’ve been up and out all night- it’s 6:30am and i’m heading to bed.
for the obama bots here if you’re looking for some nutjobs who share your views, this forum is fast paced and full of bots and bush sheep- it’s a hole of crazy people 24/7- you should enjoy it!
http://forums.losangeles.craigslist.org/?forumID=20
All the DNC surrogates ( HuffPO, MSNBC, Maher, Olbermann, Maddow, Milky Matthews, Hugo Chavez & etc.) will be wringing their pink little fingers over the HBO- Recount very special this weekend, while trying to banish the very voters they purport to ‘really care’ about.
Counting all the votes - is the foundation of a Democracy - unless it goes against the DNC’s forty year kidnap of the National Democratic Party.
http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/05/john-mccain-mccain-bumps-barack-in.html
Same old shi#.
And in that spirit, I may buy some KFC this weekend, and feed it to the ducks.
Oh, brother.
It is very difficult to transcend mediocrity.
I think Kos And HuffingGlue are Republican Moles.
They’re not really smart, now, are they?
Look at the quality of their writing.
Howard Dean unleashed Donna Brazile on Florida. Brazile was determined to make the primaries safe for Obama. The fix was in right from the start.
Dean and Brazile have to go. Dean could go back to being a Doctor, but I sure wouldn’t trust the judgment of such a bozo. Brazile could go do what gay black female political consultants do other than throw an election. Let her go make gumbo with all that political grease of hers.
Great post, Deb, thanks.
Exactly why Hillary won’t get the nomination.
Nag: “Brazile could go do what gay black female political consultants do other than throw an election.” You are so right and so friggin funny!!! Donna Brazile is an outrage. I know someone who actually got a nasty email reply from her stating Clinton supporters were vile. And the email they sent Donna was very respectful.
STULTUS EST SICUT STULTUS FACIT = Stupid is as stupid does…Fossy
This is a site for intelligent discussion for those who care about Democracy
*** FASCISTS NEED NOT APPLY…OBAMA IS A FASCIST AND YOU ARE TOO ***
If you read DNC message on count every vote on its website, you won’t believe what they will do exactly the opposite for FL & MI.
“But Democrats will not stand by while Republicans try to steal another election. That’s why we’ve already started an unprecedented voter protection effort in all 50 states, to ensure that these types of voter suppression tactics will stop and that every American can vote and have that vote counted. Americans have already rejected the Republican Culture of Corruption and will elect a Democratic president next year to put integrity back in our government.”
http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/12/americans_have.php
Comment by Donkey Brazziere | 2008-05-23 08:54:29
I think Kos And HuffingGlue are Republican Moles.
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You are right, Donkey B, and add former log cabin republican John Aravosis to the list. When given his marching orders he flipped from taking Obama to task for McClurkin and other homophobic actions to becoming a raving Hillarybashing Obamabot.
Where did Ariana get her 6 million seed money to start HuffPo? Anyone know?
If Obama succeeds, this won’t be the first time he takes an election by exploiting “rules” instead of running for the votes.
We should seat FL and MI and UNSEAT Dean and Donna.
I wish Hillary could turn this excellent article into soundbytes. How hard would it be to drill into the media that the Republicans did this with their poison pill “paper tails” bill?
Josh Marshall is a sexist idiot.
How did his parents die, someone made a reference to that event harming him, psychologically?
That is very sad.
Josh Marshall is sad, and he lacks credibility. He should resign and see a therapist. He is not even a Democrat.
This campaign has allowed HRC to shed a lot of her negatives. She owes Obama and the Obamanoids for that even if it was unintentional on his/their part.
Shed her negatives? I think it is more that the people have got to know her better instead of the right wing caricature. You are right to the extent that Obama overplayed his hand by adopting those right wing talking points and people paid more attention and the truth was revealed.
Me, too. I like that he was so unfair to her. It turned on him.
I tell you guys, the moment was Texas. If he could have closed the deal then, it would have been over.
The day after Texas, he looked glum. It was more than just a loss, it was that all his tactics were geared to shutting her out. A long campaign would only serve to hurt him.
And so it has.
And Ohio. There is a BBC interview with Samantha Power the day before the primary where she is openly gloating that he will win and be the nominee and using profanity, saying that she is stuck on the other side of the Atlantic to be not there for the big celebration.
There is only one logic and rationale driving Obama supporters on this issue that Obama will lose his case for the nomination; the fear it will weaken him and he won’t be the nominee is clouding their judgment. However, their case is already weakened if not more by their rallying cry to not count the votes — that does not work well in a Democracy, regardless of the candidates. Because of the gaming of the system and his artificial inflation of the delegate count, we now have a weaker nominee on our hands and a coward with no leadership. I fervently believe that if the roles were reversed, Clinton would have risked the nomination in favor of counting the votes — there is no way to know that but there is too much principle and legacy considerations here that she would have done the right thing. Obama is not worthy of the office he seeks.
I think the story is hilarious, though, in that the “gamer” is now faced with true grass-roots activism.
That just makes me smile. I did suggest to my buddy yesterday that when the WOMEN march this time around, I suggest we all wear bras. It might not be as cute as it was in the 70s at this stage of life.
GO PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY!
Yes, indeed. What is that Wright said? Chicken coming home to roost?…
CORRECTION: weaker self-proclaimed, presumptuous, nominee..
I was talking to our house guest — young guy who is not a citizen but has kept up with the election through largely from the media — he believed CNN when they ran the bit about majority of (pledged) delegates for Obama and the fake victory lap..Clinton has to take this to convention, if not for anything else but to set the record straight that he has not won anything yet and WIN the damn thing.
I can’t believe Josh Marshall and Marcos Moulitsas Zuniga are advocating disenfranchisement. They were Republicans in 1990s. Is this the new Democratic party?
This is far from over.
This is where this all has been leading since the Clinton team of Sosnick, Craig Smith, Maggie Williams and Ickes took over from the catatonic pair of Patty Doyle and Penn.
Since then we have won every state we needed to win - leading by 500,000 votes since feb.
When Obamas lawyer stopped the mi revote - over the amazing reasoning that it was unfair that those who had already voted in the gop primary couldnt vote AGAIN in the revoted dem primary - I saw this could be their campaign’s fatal mistake…
But only ‘IF’ Hillary was able to win TX,OH,IN,KY, WV…
Well…it seems she has….and since Obama stopped the MI revote - we now will fight to count that state as voted. There can be no “compromise”. The Obama campaign already showed this, the revote was the frigging compromise!
Because of Bauer’s dirty dealing -Hillary gets ALL her MI delegates and then we fight over the uncommitted!
This was and is the plan folks! The media dont get it - but this is why she has fought on - not to maybe be vp as the fools keep suggesting - but to get the majority of votes in the primaries and winning over the SDs.
The media may be with O’barry - but the wind and the tidal change is with US!
I suspect that FL’s energy may reignite MI, too.
Look for that next. Obama’s supporters managed to thoroughly throw water on them.
But FL is leading the way on this now.
Look for a spark of life in MI, too!
This is the third fuckover in a row for FLORIDA….I’m Surprised they have not seceded from the Union !….BEHIND YOU ALL THE WAY FLORIDA DEMOCRATS….KICK ASS !
“the DNC should not have punished Florida Democrats”
OK, that might be correct.
When did Clinton decide that the DNC should not have punished Florida? When did Deb Cupples decide that the DNC should not have punished Florida Democrats?
Why didn’t anyone campaign in Florida if the ‘PROPER’ thing to do was to have the all the votes count?
I voted for Clinton on Super Tuesday. I vote for the Democrat this November but I don’t expect to ever vote for Clinton again.
Someone has gotten to Governor Patterson of New York who supports Hillary. I read that he has stated that Hillary is sounding desperate and she should stop trying to count Michigan and Flordia votes/delegates. Someone needs to talk to him to explain it to him. I don’t think he knows the full story. It would look bad if he switches to Obama. I am so disappointed in this election that if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination I will have to leave the democratic party forever. I am not proud of the DNC and party elites and how they have turned it into a circus. Reinventing new ways to prevent a candidate from being elected even when that candidate is superior to anyone else.
Send a message to the DNC by contributing $8.28 to Hillary’s campaign fund. Why $8.28???? It will help send a message - “take it all the way to the convention!”
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So how exactly did the Democratic members of the Florida legislature vote on moving the primary up? They voted for it, didn’t they? So there is no basis for saying that this forced upon the poor Florida Democrats, was there?
Grow up.
Perhaps you should read the article and all the articles the writer cites before formulating your unfounded opinion.
You are a low information voter. No wonder why you support Obama.
O/T
Larry, over at Rezkowatch:
in january 2006 obama was part of a congressional delegation to Iraq. He was only in Iraq for 2 days
and then “separated from the delegation to ’spend 8 dyas in Israel, Kuawait, Jordan and the Palestinian territories.’ The rest of the delegation went to Afghanistan and Pakistan without Obama.”
is this the time period for the soon-to-drop B.O. tape?
sorry if this has already been covered here.