Comments on: Polls: Hillary Does Better than McCain and Obama in Kentucky (and FL, OH, PA) http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/ Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:41:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: MikeB http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-486067 MikeB Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:21:20 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-486067 McCain is going to win Ohio/Florida/Michigan/Pennsylvania. Polls at this stage are meaningless. Hell, I remember in 1992 some polls were showing Alabama was "winnable" for Clintons. It was meaningless because it was months before the election and Alabama is a staunch GOP state. It is the same here. You have to look at state's voting history, the candidates etc. Ohio is a swing state Obama lost during the primary. Same with Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania. He lost these big swing states. And when you look at the demographic he lost you realize they are far more likely to vote for McCain. White, blue collar Democrats overwhelmingly voted for Hillary. These people lean conservative on many issues, especially national security. Hillary made a very smart decision early on. She took centrist positions that would appeal to middle of the road voters. These positions would be appealing in a general election campaign. She wouldn't need to flip flop like Kerry and Obama. Is Hillary became the nominee she would be able to carry these big states. I hope to God she does not accept any VP position with Obama. VP pick cannot help Obama win these states. Nobody votes for the VP candidate. Obama is going to lose these states and Hillary will share the blame. She should stay away from him. McCain is going to win Ohio/Florida/Michigan/Pennsylvania.

Polls at this stage are meaningless.

Hell, I remember in 1992 some polls were showing Alabama was “winnable” for Clintons. It was meaningless because it was months before the election and Alabama is a staunch GOP state.

It is the same here. You have to look at state’s voting history, the candidates etc.

Ohio is a swing state Obama lost during the primary. Same with Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania. He lost these big swing states. And when you look at the demographic he lost you realize they are far more likely to vote for McCain. White, blue collar Democrats overwhelmingly voted for Hillary. These people lean conservative on many issues, especially national security.

Hillary made a very smart decision early on. She took centrist positions that would appeal to middle of the road voters. These positions would be appealing in a general election campaign. She wouldn’t need to flip flop like Kerry and Obama. Is Hillary became the nominee she would be able to carry these big states.

I hope to God she does not accept any VP position with Obama. VP pick cannot help Obama win these states. Nobody votes for the VP candidate. Obama is going to lose these states and Hillary will share the blame. She should stay away from him.

]]> By: standard http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-485594 standard Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:20:48 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-485594 Cable News, and Obama's promo rag, the NYT are giving B.O. a sense of entitlement and inevitability. He's already the president as far as they are concerned. McCain is being as marginalized as Clinton. Tthe second B.O. is the nominee, they will pounce like harpies. Cable News, and Obama’s promo rag, the NYT are giving B.O. a sense of entitlement and inevitability. He’s already the president as far as they are concerned.
McCain is being as marginalized as Clinton.
Tthe second B.O. is the nominee, they will pounce like harpies.

]]> By: Susaninbosque http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-282263 Susaninbosque Tue, 27 May 2008 03:37:38 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-282263 And she knows where O came from and that there are a whole lot more rocks to turn over before the convention arrives.... but I agree, I suspect she knows a few things we haven't seen like some of the stuff that Larry has wind of. And she knows where O came from and that there are a whole lot more rocks to turn over before the convention arrives…. but I agree, I suspect she knows a few things we haven’t seen like some of the stuff that Larry has wind of.

]]> By: Susaninbosque http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-282255 Susaninbosque Tue, 27 May 2008 03:35:03 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-282255 My guess is that any energy he has comes from something that is a cocaine substitute - some kinda upper - and those can be hard on a person and hard to control and they sure as hell keep you skinny. Although lately I've been wondering if he has Bush's problem: is so dyslexia that he's on something like ritalin and its cousins which produces the same problems. My guess is that any energy he has comes from something that is a cocaine substitute - some kinda upper - and those can be hard on a person and hard to control and they sure as hell keep you skinny.

Although lately I’ve been wondering if he has Bush’s problem: is so dyslexia that he’s on something like ritalin and its cousins which produces the same problems.

]]> By: Disgusted http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-282180 Disgusted Tue, 27 May 2008 03:01:57 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-282180 Oh I forgot to add. It's not only the Illinois Dems that are corrupt. If Obama loses his seat to a republican he would most likely be corrupt also. No one goes anywhere without the backing of the Chicago Machine. The Machine has no political affiliation. They are mostly dems but they wouldn't let a little thing like party loyalty stand in the way of getting rich at the taxpayers expense. Oh I forgot to add. It’s not only the Illinois Dems that are corrupt. If Obama loses his seat to a republican he would most likely be corrupt also. No one goes anywhere without the backing of the Chicago Machine. The Machine has no political affiliation. They are mostly dems but they wouldn’t let a little thing like party loyalty stand in the way of getting rich at the taxpayers expense.

]]> By: Disgusted http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-282155 Disgusted Tue, 27 May 2008 02:44:18 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-282155 I get your point. However there is no maybe. Obama will carry Illinois by a huge number. In fact Hillary would carry Illinois by a huge number. She would have won Illinois in a landslide if not for the fact that Obama is a local. If I lived in rural Illinois maybe my vote would have some effect. In Cook County where I reside a vote for McCain will accomplish nothing. I will not be the deciding vote in any district disputes. The Dems will carry Cook County roughly 72%-28%. Hillary is my candidate and I will not vote for Obama. However I will not go against my principles for a meaningless protest vote for McCain. I get your point. However there is no maybe. Obama will carry Illinois by a huge number. In fact Hillary would carry Illinois by a huge number. She would have won Illinois in a landslide if not for the fact that Obama is a local. If I lived in rural Illinois maybe my vote would have some effect. In Cook County where I reside a vote for McCain will accomplish nothing. I will not be the deciding vote in any district disputes. The Dems will carry Cook County roughly 72%-28%. Hillary is my candidate and I will not vote for Obama. However I will not go against my principles for a meaningless protest vote for McCain.

]]> By: Zyle http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-282069 Zyle Tue, 27 May 2008 01:57:33 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-282069 Do not hoist a white flag assuming that Obama will win Illinois. <i>Maybe</i> he will. Remember, every vote against Obama (i.e. a vote <i>for </i>McCain) in Illinois will be an argument <i>against</i> Obama's reelection to the Senate in 2010. Do not hoist a white flag assuming that Obama will win Illinois.
Maybe he will.

Remember, every vote against Obama (i.e. a vote for McCain) in Illinois will be an argument against Obama’s reelection to the Senate in 2010.

]]> By: Disgusted http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-282033 Disgusted Tue, 27 May 2008 01:36:36 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-282033 Regardless of how the delegate race turns out, I believe that Hillary should take this to the convention. People seem to forget that these are "pledged" delegates not awarded delegates. Take this to the end. Bring all the delegates and superdelegates to Colorado and let them vote. This election has been so shady. Any other ending will be a huge injustice. A lot has changed over the course of this election. Delegates and superdelegates are party officials. Let them decide. Sometimes the shepards are smarter than the sheep. If your delegates or superdelegates went against what you believe the people in your area wanted, remember that when election time rolls around. After the vote if the DNC still decides to lose and goes with Barky. Then it's over and Obama can go on to get crushed in the GE. Then hopefully fade out of the public service sect altogether. Hillary can focus on 2012. By then most Obama Supporters will have matured and understand their mistakes. Choosing Obamas pied piper mentality over an actual chance to win the WH and actually make some changes. The DNC will hopefully look at their leadership with some serious questions. A fish rots from the head down they say. Dean needs to answer questions about his role "in all this". We the people can hope that McCain really is not an extension of Bush but if he is. We will endure. Just like we have for the last 8 years. It's not about them it's about us. I don't think I could vote for McCain. As a lifelong Dem that goes against what I believe in. I WILL NOT vote for Obama. As a Chicago resident, to me a vote for Obama is a thumbs up to Chicago politics. IMO Chicago politics is the most corrupt in the country if not the world. They will not receive a "vote of confidence " from me. Alas my vote is worthless anyway. Obama will carry Illinois. I want all of you to know that my one and possibly only vote this year went to Hillary Clinton. Seeing what I've seen and knowing what I know she is our oly real hope for change in this country. Regardless of how the delegate race turns out, I believe that Hillary should take this to the convention. People seem to forget that these are “pledged” delegates not awarded delegates. Take this to the end. Bring all the delegates and superdelegates to Colorado and let them vote. This election has been so shady. Any other ending will be a huge injustice. A lot has changed over the course of this election. Delegates and superdelegates are party officials. Let them decide. Sometimes the shepards are smarter than the sheep. If your delegates or superdelegates went against what you believe the people in your area wanted, remember that when election time rolls around. After the vote if the DNC still decides to lose and goes with Barky. Then it’s over and Obama can go on to get crushed in the GE. Then hopefully fade out of the public service sect altogether. Hillary can focus on 2012. By then most Obama Supporters will have matured and understand their mistakes. Choosing Obamas pied piper mentality over an actual chance to win the WH and actually make some changes. The DNC will hopefully look at their leadership with some serious questions. A fish rots from the head down they say. Dean needs to answer questions about his role “in all this”. We the people can hope that McCain really is not an extension of Bush but if he is. We will endure. Just like we have for the last 8 years. It’s not about them it’s about us. I don’t think I could vote for McCain. As a lifelong Dem that goes against what I believe in. I WILL NOT vote for Obama. As a Chicago resident, to me a vote for Obama is a thumbs up to Chicago politics. IMO Chicago politics is the most corrupt in the country if not the world. They will not receive a “vote of confidence ” from me. Alas my vote is worthless anyway. Obama will carry Illinois. I want all of you to know that my one and possibly only vote this year went to Hillary Clinton. Seeing what I’ve seen and knowing what I know she is our oly real hope for change in this country.

]]> By: Zyle http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-282027 Zyle Tue, 27 May 2008 01:33:03 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-282027 If y'all haven't seen this article about the political richter scale which is historically <b>100% accurate </b>in predicting a general election landslide defeat for Democrats, here is the link: <b>http://www.ifind2.com/news/ChoosingANomineeWhoCanWin.html</b> If y’all haven’t seen this article about the political richter scale which is historically 100% accurate in predicting a general election landslide defeat for Democrats, here is the link:
http://www.ifind2.com/news/ChoosingANomineeWhoCanWin.html

]]> By: haypops http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-281868 haypops Tue, 27 May 2008 00:16:51 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/polls-hillary-does-better-than-mccain-and-obama-in-kentucky-and-fl-oh-pa/#comment-281868 subtracting Senator Obama's results from Hillary's (relative to McCain) results in: State Hill's overperforms BO KY (rassmusan) 34% PA (rassmusan) 9% FL (quinnipiac) 11% OH (quinnipiac) 11% PA (quinnipiac) 7% subtracting Senator Obama’s results from Hillary’s (relative to McCain) results in:
State Hill’s overperforms BO
KY (rassmusan) 34%
PA (rassmusan) 9%
FL (quinnipiac) 11%
OH (quinnipiac) 11%
PA (quinnipiac) 7%

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