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		<title>By: fzkh weik</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/unelectable-morning-open-thread-rnc-obama-ads/#comment-424043</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: spamccensor</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 15:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Appalachian music, + Schoenberg, + Copeland</description>
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		<title>By: spamccensor</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/unelectable-morning-open-thread-rnc-obama-ads/#comment-293937</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 15:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next Step?

Appalachian music, + Schonberg, Copeland, 

Also, you can hear the early emergence of 12 tone scaling in Mozart, and Beethoven...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next Step?</p>
<p>Appalachian music, + Schonberg, Copeland, </p>
<p>Also, you can hear the early emergence of 12 tone scaling in Mozart, and Beethoven&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: spamccensor</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 15:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Wiki, on the Schoenberg's 12 tone:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The tone row chosen as the basis of the piece is called the prime series (P). Untransposed, it is notated as P0. Given the twelve pitch classes of the chromatic scale, there are (12!) (factorial, i.e. 479,001,600) unique tone rows.

Appearances of P can be transformed from the original in three basic ways:

transposition up or down, giving Pχ. 
reversal in time, giving the retrograde (R) 
reversal in pitch, giving the inversion (I): I(χ) = 12 - Pχ. 
The various transformations can be combined. These give rise to a set-complex of forty-eight forms of the set, 12 transpositions of the four basic forms: P, R, I, RI. The combination of the retrograde and inversion transformations is known as the retrograde inversion (RI).

RI is: RI of P, R of I, and I of R. 
R is: R of P, RI of I, and I of RI. 
I is: I of P, RI of R, and R of RI. 
P is: R of R, I of I, and RI of RI. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

A very basic, schematic of layering, now.

And I admire the crispness, the beauty in the order of Schoenberg's compositions. Others have taken his system, and redefined it, further.

BUT, it would seem there is a need to combine the atonality, (such as it is, because the atonal becomes tonal under this system) with the evolved feel, and warmth, of an Ives. The combinations are infinite.

And don't ask me why, but nothing says Schoenberg like Southern Culture on the Skids.

Countrypolitan is great album, give it a listen.

Same with Schoenberg Suite for piano, op.25, by Glenn Gould.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Wiki, on the Schoenberg&#8217;s 12 tone:</p>
<blockquote><p>The tone row chosen as the basis of the piece is called the prime series (P). Untransposed, it is notated as P0. Given the twelve pitch classes of the chromatic scale, there are (12!) (factorial, i.e. 479,001,600) unique tone rows.</p>
<p>Appearances of P can be transformed from the original in three basic ways:</p>
<p>transposition up or down, giving Pχ.<br />
reversal in time, giving the retrograde (R)<br />
reversal in pitch, giving the inversion (I): I(χ) = 12 - Pχ.<br />
The various transformations can be combined. These give rise to a set-complex of forty-eight forms of the set, 12 transpositions of the four basic forms: P, R, I, RI. The combination of the retrograde and inversion transformations is known as the retrograde inversion (RI).</p>
<p>RI is: RI of P, R of I, and I of R.<br />
R is: R of P, RI of I, and I of RI.<br />
I is: I of P, RI of R, and R of RI.<br />
P is: R of R, I of I, and RI of RI. </p></blockquote>
<p>A very basic, schematic of layering, now.</p>
<p>And I admire the crispness, the beauty in the order of Schoenberg&#8217;s compositions. Others have taken his system, and redefined it, further.</p>
<p>BUT, it would seem there is a need to combine the atonality, (such as it is, because the atonal becomes tonal under this system) with the evolved feel, and warmth, of an Ives. The combinations are infinite.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t ask me why, but nothing says Schoenberg like Southern Culture on the Skids.</p>
<p>Countrypolitan is great album, give it a listen.</p>
<p>Same with Schoenberg Suite for piano, op.25, by Glenn Gould.</p>
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		<title>By: bigkitty</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 19:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this is an open thread, I'm wondering if anyone is familiar with the chord progressions, the musical phrasing, of Charles Ives?

I've been listening to "the Alcott's" from the Concord, Mass, piano sonata, number two, and I was surprised to hear the typical V-I chord phrasing, despite the atonality.

I'm comparing that, to say, Philip Glass, and his more austere phrasing, not sure what to think.

Ives music now strikes me as downright pretty...

I'm trying to transpose a version of "the Alcott's," just a personal exercise, but I keep getting this urge to augment the basic V IV I phrasing, I suppose more a reflection of our period of time, chord progressions NOT now predictable...

I read a blog entry where Ives referred to his music as being Proustian, it should provoke a memory, or BE a memory, perhaps I see it also as a reaction to the great forces of technological modernization at work in the early 20 th century, a clash of atoms in conjunction with the transcendentalists, Emerson, Alcott, Thoreau, and Hawthorne. 

Mixed with fear.

Either way, it works.

Also, the song "Always the Sun" by the Stranglers, uses the same riff, found in "the Alcott's".

I wonder if they ripped it off?

Thieves....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this is an open thread, I&#8217;m wondering if anyone is familiar with the chord progressions, the musical phrasing, of Charles Ives?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been listening to &#8220;the Alcott&#8217;s&#8221; from the Concord, Mass, piano sonata, number two, and I was surprised to hear the typical V-I chord phrasing, despite the atonality.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m comparing that, to say, Philip Glass, and his more austere phrasing, not sure what to think.</p>
<p>Ives music now strikes me as downright pretty&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to transpose a version of &#8220;the Alcott&#8217;s,&#8221; just a personal exercise, but I keep getting this urge to augment the basic V IV I phrasing, I suppose more a reflection of our period of time, chord progressions NOT now predictable&#8230;</p>
<p>I read a blog entry where Ives referred to his music as being Proustian, it should provoke a memory, or BE a memory, perhaps I see it also as a reaction to the great forces of technological modernization at work in the early 20 th century, a clash of atoms in conjunction with the transcendentalists, Emerson, Alcott, Thoreau, and Hawthorne. </p>
<p>Mixed with fear.</p>
<p>Either way, it works.</p>
<p>Also, the song &#8220;Always the Sun&#8221; by the Stranglers, uses the same riff, found in &#8220;the Alcott&#8217;s&#8221;.</p>
<p>I wonder if they ripped it off?</p>
<p>Thieves&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: justsomeone</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 23:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill O'Rilley is doing a spot on Dorn &#38; Ayers tonight. Politics makes such strange bedfellows.</description>
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		<title>By: ChrisXP</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 21:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Since this is a open thread: A note about registering -- registered but never recieved the confirmation email. Will it be emailed later?&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Since this is a open thread: A note about registering &#8212; registered but never recieved the confirmation email. Will it be emailed later?</strong></p>
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		<title>By: blazer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 20:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wouldnt vote for him even if hillary is on the ticket .</description>
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		<title>By: hillarysmygirl</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/26/unelectable-morning-open-thread-rnc-obama-ads/#comment-281286</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 20:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Taylor was a little fatalistic, if you ask me, about Hillary's RFK remark, like Hill said something bad.  NoQuarter and her website used to be the first two sites I clicked on every morning...I think I'm taking her off my bookmarks.  Hillbuzz, Savage Politics, Hillaryis44, Common Ills, of course Uppity will remain.  And NoQuarter is and will remain No. 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Taylor was a little fatalistic, if you ask me, about Hillary&#8217;s RFK remark, like Hill said something bad.  NoQuarter and her website used to be the first two sites I clicked on every morning&#8230;I think I&#8217;m taking her off my bookmarks.  Hillbuzz, Savage Politics, Hillaryis44, Common Ills, of course Uppity will remain.  And NoQuarter is and will remain No. 1.</p>
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		<title>By: hillarysmygirl</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 20:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, LOL!  And WE'RE the uneducated, illiterate ones!  Wooooo, thanks for the laugh today, "Kid Funkadelic," I wanna be just like you...stupid with a cool, funkalicious moniker!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, LOL!  And WE&#8217;RE the uneducated, illiterate ones!  Wooooo, thanks for the laugh today, &#8220;Kid Funkadelic,&#8221; I wanna be just like you&#8230;stupid with a cool, funkalicious moniker!</p>
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