Super Delegates: Vote Obama or Else [UPDATED]
By Larry Johnson on May 27, 2008 at 9:53 PM in Current Affairs
Obamatons are making not so subtle threats against the Super Delegates–elect Obama or there will be blood in the streets. Leading supporters of Obama are the messengers of doom. Consider Tom Hayden, one of the mainstays of a group called “Progressives for Obama.” He was on NPR this week and said:
“If there were the theft of a nomination, if that was the perception of the Obama supporters, then probably there would be a ‘68 scenario.”
Theft. How in the hell is it theft? Neither Barack nor Hillary have won enough delegates to win the election. Barack has 1661 and Hillary has 1499. CNN maintains you need 2026 to win the nomination. So, you don’t have to be real smart to realize that both candidates do not yet have enough votes and will require the support of the Super Delegates in order to win. In other words, it is in the hands of Super Delegates.
Leave it to Barack’s folks to threaten race riots. Intimidation through the threat of violence, even race violence, is one of Obama’s insidious weapons in stampeding super delegates like a herd. Here’s a radical alternative. Let’s use reason and intelligence. Is that feasible?
For starters, Super Delegates should take a look at the terrific analysis presented by Peniel Cronin. Cronin uses cold hard facts to demonstrate that Hillary, not Barack, is most deserving of the support of the Super Delegates. She has won more votes and won more in states that will count for Democrats come the fall. I challenge any Obamaton to refute these facts. Please download and read: 2008caucusreport.pdf
But the Obama fantasy train wants passengers to believe that Hillary is behind. That Hillary cannot win. It is a damn lie.
Having decisively won the most votes and crushed Obama in Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, and Kentucky–as well as racking up victories in Florida, Texas, and California–the notion that Barack is most competitive for the fall campaign is laughable.
Unlike the Barack bulllies, Hillary and her followers are not threatening to set the streets of Denver on fire. They are not threatening to beat the crap out of police. Nope, we will argue facts. And thanks to folks like Peniel Cronin, there is hope that reason may prevail.
Update: And who can forget these golden nuggets from Barack and Donna:
Obama this week warned Super-delegates to vote the way their states have voted, “if this contest comes down to super-delegates, we are going to be able to say we have more pledged delegates, which means the Democratic voters have spoken. Those super-delegates, those party insiders would have to think long and hard how they would approach the nomination.” Obama suggested “the argument we would be making to super-delegates is, if we come into the convention with more pledged delegates then I think we can make a very strong argument that our constituencies have spoken and I think that’s going to be pretty important when it comes to the general election.”
Does that mean his super-delegates in Massachusetts — Sens. Kerry and Kennedy, Gov Patrick — should defect to Clinton?
Said Super-delegate Donna Brazile to CNN, “If 795 of my colleagues decide this election, I will quit the Democratic Party. I feel very strongly about this.”
First, EARTH TO DONNA. When are you going to quit? The Super Delegates will make the decision. Be a woman of your word. Make our day. Please!!
Second, Barack, we agree with you. And if these rules are followed Hillary also has the majority. But I hold out little hope that you, Barack, will change.
Well maybe we should.
Riot gear, anyone?
I have noticed that NONE of the once very verbal OBAMA endorsers have had much to say in the last few weeks
NO clutchy Claire, no kite flying Kerry, no Tom Dashaway, no crazyCasey even… and what about the once SANE Russ Feingold? What ever happened to him? (body snatchers?)
what would be their excuse? Teddy’s brain cloud?
it’s sickening
I was wondering about that. Where is Tom Hanks and Dave Matthews?
What about Oprah (I quess she is to busy picking her ratings up off the floor)
LOL.
Any thoughts about the impact of Sen. Kennedy’s ill health on the nomination? He has been a formidable mover and shaker in the Senate for a very long time. If he should become incapacitated, it might cause a power shift in the Senate as well as the Party. Obama may become less important if others see a chance to fill that void. Maybe that’s why the politicos and others have toned down the Obama worship. It’s power they want-one way or the other.
no kite flying Kerry
Hey, I resemble that remark!
I know I should have used the wind surfing but it didn’t match!!
hehe!
Kites are really very cool!
my bad
We’ll need riot gear AND Obama’s Uncle Sergei (the Russian storm trooper)to stave off a disaster!!
Yes, riot gear AND Obama’s Great-Uncle “Sergei” to liberate us.
My riot gear will be a vote for McCain should Obama be the nominee along with actively working on his campaign.
This country is not ready for an Obama presidency nor an Obama nomination!
Does this mean the threat of a riot will only take place if Hillary is the nominee…and not if he looses the Oval office?
There is a part of me that says … make him the nominee …… let Hillary show her support….and he will STILL LOOSE !!!!! McCain will win …. and Obama, and his supporters can pack their toys and go home.
BHO and Michelle… can pack up and leave the country that they so disdain anyway.
BHO needs to get out of the Senate as well.
If he would just go away… it might be worth letting him have the nomination and then loose in November!
Uggh……
Rise Hillary Rise…..
he will still lose and she will still be blamed.
no matter what happens she is to blame. The level of irratinality is bizarre.
Still, sorry to disagree I cannot support McCain for anything.
He and his ilk will finish this country.
At least we would know that Obama has strong others who will be looking over his shoulders, others with values closer to our own and that includes Hillary. I don’t underestimate her ability to go back to the senate and work her ass off and file away her resentments. AND, I’d like to see her as Attorney General. NOT VP.
I say NO to war mongers and those who do not believe in and support personal freedoms. I want our people home… and even with Clinton it isn’t going to be easy but with McCaain it will be impossible.
I understand making a protest but I cannot understand bringing someone who is so far removed from my own and Hillary’s positions into office.
I don’t have to like Obama or anything about the way he has conducted himself but having McCain in office makes the possible issues with Obama pale by comparison.
I do consider writing Hillary in as a good alternative and I am considering that.
This way I can register my protest and not be carrying the burden of voting for that nut.
My computer is acting strangely, the letters coming up very slowly. odd.
Good night.
You’re talking about a candidate whose supporters are threatening physical violence if he is not the nominee and you think he’ll have people looking over his shoulder to make sure he does….what, exactly? Wow. First off, I know this country is at a low point but we are not at the banana republic level yet. The guy with the biggest gang/thugs doesn’t win the election. And who exactly is going to be looking over his shoulder? Yeah, like that really worked out for the republicans and Dubya. I’m sure they thought they had him under control too. Sorry, Barky is way too dangerous and stupid to put him in the White House. I will not ba a party to exposing an already weary world to another American Tragedy. Hillary and then you won’t have to worry about Mccain.
I agree - Obama is FAR more dangerous than McCain. I have absolutely no faith that his TRUE policies would be closer to Clinton’s - why should I? Look at who he has surrounded himself with in his life - crooks and terrorists - every last one of them - and all of them have connections to the Middle East and are anti-Israel - EVERY SINGLE ONE…Hello? I’m supposed to push the VOTE button for that complete liar, fraud and CROOK? Not a chance.
At least we would know that Obama has strong others who will be looking over his shoulders,
I thought the same EXACT thing about GW. And this time around I am JUST as concerned about who those “strong others” are. We have seen some of them already. Carter Zbig and “the informals” and Hamas(eh “The Informals”,a 50’s do-wop band) NO thanks.
I will go with the guy who actually has been on the receiving end of the torture and gets it. I with Strawberry on this one.
Much of what is coming in the next four years is going to happen, no matter who is POTUS. But if it is not Hillary, it damn sure is not going to be BO by my vote. AND I will Vote! I am NOT staying HOME> The polling place is on the otherside of my fence, plus I WANT my “I voted” sticker and also to thank the “elderly people” who work the poll.
I’m not worried about Hillary being blamed.
There will be a wealth of info made available by the Republicans that will make it difficult for voters to choose BO.
BO supporters can blame all they want and look anywhere but in the mirror.
You make your choice; I’ll make mine.
But the candidate I see as more dangerous to our nation, given the threat of violence from his supporters and the Chicago machine tactics I’ve seen his campaign use to trash anyone in their way?
Barak Obama.
He and his peeps are DANGEROUS. Period.
Your comment reminds me of, gosh it seems a hundred years ago, when everyone started to realize how lacking Obama’s health care plan was. I read in Digby and on Open Left that it would be “ok” because “they” could hold Obama’s “feet to the fire” once he was elected and get UHC. I was flabbergasted and told them so.
Don’t even think you can influence Obama if he gets power, Ayres and Rezko got there WAY a head of you, and you are just a tool.
Isn’t that cute, how they think they have power?
You want Rove, you get Rove.
Look at the Cheney-Bush White House, it’s your future.
If Obama were to succeed, which he won’t.
With McCain, what you see is not what you get. He is not a diehard conservative. Anyway, even during the conservative governments, many of the compassionate social agendas have remained.
Obama scares me more than McCain - and I am a liberal.
McCain would be a one term Pres. anyway. I think he is much less conservative than he appears. Besides, with a Dem. majority in the House & the new seats we will pick up in the Senate, it will be difficult for the Repubs. to force their agenda through legislation.
That’s good enough for me. BO is a complete blank. His focus is winning the title President Obama-it’s the people behind him who will pull the strings, like Axelrod. That’s what scares me.
Has anyone considered the fact the the Dems in house and Senate have received lower ratings than Bush? They are no better at this point. IMO, the only choice we have is to vote for patriotism, American values, and national security. McCain is the only choice if Hillary is not the nominee. A write in, no vote, third party vote, or staying home does not help an opponent defeat Obama.
ohmercy,
Unlike Obama and his gang of thugs, I respect your entitlement to cast your vote any way you choose. This is a democracy.
However, I respectfully disagree with your choice, for many of the reasons already posted in response to your comment.
Much is made of McCain being this serious nutjob? Really? He’s been in public office how long? And he’s a danger? Sorry but I don’t buy it. Especially when you look at his record, which has made him less than popular with the members of his Party who I happen to consider major nutjobs.
I think his stance on the war has been presented in a way to make him seem extreme. I happen to be one of these people who have faced the reality that neither Clinton nor Obama is going to bring the troops home in the way they are promising. None of us average voters are military experts nor do we know the lay of the land in Iraq. The last thing any politician wants to do is to be stubbornly determined to honor an election promise that would cause remaining troops to be slaughtered in large numbers as a result. McCain, unfortunately, is being brutally honest about what is going on in Iraq. And most people don’t want to handle that truth. They want Obama’s fairy tales.
McCain will be a one term president. His age, coupled with the difficulty of governing after the Bush Administration, will give true Democrats the chance to throw the Dean, Brazile bums out and get a real nominee next time. It’s called ‘acceptable losses.’ I’m willing to gamble it. Especially because cleaning up Bush’s mess is going to be a formidable task no matter who’s president. So maybe a McCain presidency would be a blessing in disguise since any president will be unpopular.
I do know, that I ain’t going down without a fight against these so-called Progressives trying to take control of the Party. If we let Obama win, THEY WIN. I’m not about to let that happen, even if it means voting for McCain. Look, it could be worse, we could be voting for a real right wing nutjob. If we allow an Obama presidency, look for the rightwing of the Republican Party to take over. And I certainly don’t want that either. Voting McCain sends a message to both Parties: Most Americans are in the Center.
I saw Bush’s head problems a mile away and did not vote for him either time. And I can rest easy that I had nothing to do with getting that nut case in office.
I feel the same way about Obama. I could never vote for him. I would write in Hillary or perhaps she would make her supporters happy by running as a Progressive Independent. Yeah, that’s it.
Rioting and killing was what his cousin’s supporters did in Kenya,after he lost that election. “It was stolen from him.” Sound familiar?
They tore that country apart until Condi Rice went over there and told the elected President to make Raila Ordinaga the Prime Minister. Is that what we can expect if Obama loses? Prime Minister Obama? Or will he go to Kenya with his dual citizenship and run for president there?
Yes, riot gear AND Obama’s great Uncle “Sergei”
IT’S TIME TO STAND UP & NOT BE BULLIED. CALL THEM OUT ON IT. NO ONE WANTS BLOODSHED. THE STRONG ARMED TACTICS AND CUT THROAT POLITCS HAVE GONE TO FAR. OBAMA WANTS TO HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. WHO IS TO SAY THE OTHER 80% OF THE VOTERS WON’T RISE UP AGAINST OBAMA
I am with you! The only thing to do with things go bump in the night is to bump back!
You know Texasdarlin, I have been thinking this very thing all day!
LOL
seriously!
I’ve been thinking of the “recreate 68″movement that are actually practicing and preparing for rioting. The remarks of What’s his name? one of the older AA men who are often appearing with suitable gravitas to reprimand or warn the Clinton campaign… anyway months ago he used the threat there would be a reckoning. code word for riots.
Then thhe last couple of days I’ve seen some similar posts or comments and I thought today maybe a couple of million women and men should go out andstorm the streets demanding that our complaints and protests be heard.
I wouldn’t even demand they seat her. I just want them to admit their complicity and own their actions and take responsibility for the mess they’ve made. and understand why we are leaving to become independents.
right. fat chance. Brazzil claims the party doesn’t need the base anymore.
Personally I cannot, will not vote for McCain (but I can write Hillary in.)
I just couldn’t stomach a McCain presidency, ever. It will disgust me to vote for Obama for several reasons but McCain will finish our slide to the bottom. At least Obama. ew. will have people like Hillary looking over his shoulder and keeping him in line I would hope.
Anyway, I am leaving the party and honestly I would love to see a couple of million people show up in Denver and stand silently staring at them like the Ukrainians did when their election was stolen a couple of years ago.
they won.
loved that.
I sorry guys but what? “Looking over his shoulder!?”
You mean like now? Like the DNC is looking over his shoulder? D.Drazille?
Give me a break, the only people that will be looking over HIS shoulder are his National Security Threat, Anti-US, Rezko “homies”.
Btw. I would LOVE for them to even TRY to start some shit. Go ahead, let them riot.
Race relations have ALREADY been set back 30 years, what’s another 30 years gonna hurt?
Nah. Do the Lysistrata. Much more effective.
when they refer to 68, do they mean the police riot in Chicago after which many officers rightly lost their jobs? They are the ones with no experience. We have been through this all before and do they think that rioting will help them? We’ve been there, done that. And who will these rioters be? The “creative class”, the “highly educated” ones? No, they will cynically use poor black people same as they always do.
And if we learned anything from ‘68, it is that TV pictures of those rioting actually TURN VOTERS AWAY FROM the candidate they’re rioting FOR.
The “Silent Majority” will vote en masse for McCain if there are riots.
And the Obamanauts will have only themselves to blame.
Actually I think it’s more of a threat than anything else. It would just be an awful lot of people BLOGGING til their laptops catch on fire!
And a bunch of poor bitter white folk would turn to their guns and religion, say “Oh my God” and hunt them bloggers down. And then the college students would throw their hats in the air in protest. And then we’d pay a large cleaning crew to clean up all the tassels. And that would be about it.
Good Post Larry….I have a question. So, if Obama is able to COERCE himself a nomination by intimidating the SD’s and the electorate with threats of violence….When does it end ? If McCain begins to beat his ass in the Polls and the debates because 2/3 of the traditional democratic base move to vote against him won’t he just use the same tactic ? Won’t Obama and his fascist army threaten more riots and demand the office ? As far as I can see these people that make these threats should be arrested. This is COERCION and it is terrorism….
OBAMA AND HIS SUPPORTERS DISPLAY TYPICAL FASCIST BEHAVIOR…
*** Bust Hayden’s idiotic ass is what I say…***
Isn’t this exactly what his cousin Odinga threatened—and did—when he lost the Kenya elections?
THAT is what Obama and his supporters want?
There needs to be a youtube (because the media says their bias is youtube’s fault) about all the people who have threatened race riots and footage of the linkage with Kenya elections. Maybe I will go make one but Please someone more talented than I should do it. I think that Hillary supporters have less internet time than the college students and professional bloggers who support Obama. As much as love the net, I have a real life too. I am sure everyone on here does. But I know people who basically spend their lives online and support Obama. If the medias only source of news comes from the buzz from the blogs I am seriously worried about this country. They have discounted the voters who have, dispite the media declaring the winner, voted for Hillary. I can tell you, since I moved I can’t even get cable internet here! I live in the country surrounded by horse farms in KY. The rural and older voters with lives can’t be expected to sit around and make youtube videos. The media needs to wake up to the real voice of the people, the votes!
I love NoQuarter, you are blogging for me and the rest of the Hillary supporters!
Talk to Flineo…He’s our resident Film Auteur Genius….
QUESTION:
How did Obama go from approx. 1788 delegates before the Oregon, KY, primary, to some 1975 delegates he is claiming now? That’s 187 delegates. The two states have approx 120 delegates total.
Is he just shouting out a number? Is anyone really counting? I wish there was an article here with each states alloted delegates. He is saying he is 47 delegates away form winning.
This is chaos. God help us.
- Hillary Clinton - February 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xiiwWQSy8Q
The above quote from her own lips appears about 1 min into the clip.
also in the clip:
Greta: What about the pledged delegates? Right now, are they likely, do you have any position on them sort of them moving over in one direction or another?
Hillary: Well you know delegates are free to exercise their judgment. All delegates - whether you’re from a caucus, or you’re from a primary, or your so called appointed delegate.
Well, having been a first time voter in 1968, I know how mean the streets can be. I do think some of the BO folks must be taking the same drugs, smoking the same dope, or eating the same mushrooms as back then. It certainly brought out the worst in everyone. And, of course, the crazed Nixon, not unlike McCain, won.
Kat, the reason Nixon won in ‘72 is because McGovern’s sycophants scared the electorate more than the war did.
Sound familiar?
You got that right, Uppity. In fact, McGovern’s sycophants still scare me, LOL. I think some of them are now the elite liberals who are backing Obama.
Was there an Axelrod in the McGovern campaign?
That guy has done more damage at every level.
People are fed up with Karl Rove and are not about to
bring in another one.
They are - William Ayers and his wife Bernadine (or Bernadette?) Dohrn, members of the well-known radical, violent, Weather Underground of the 1960s, one or both of whom said just after 9/11 that they wish they had done more (militant acts) in the past. By the way, Doug Wilder, the ex-governor of Virginia, in a TV interview threatened violence if Obama is not the candidate. There have been a lot of threats flying around out there in this election. Notably Black Hillary-supporters have openly said they have been ostracized and threatened for not supporting Obama. I heard that Al Sharpton made such a threat. I never saw anything like this in American politics. This primary season is scary. I thought our country was more civilized.
Obama, the uniter. He just loves to use that word “divisive” doesn’t he!
Tom Hayden came right from the sixties — protests and violent confrontations with police during the 1968 Democratic National Convention, along with Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, etc. The group known collectively as the “Chicago Eight” were self-described anarchists.
It seems strange that Tom Hayden would refer to that time, as it has appeared in later years he was trying to redeem his reputation. He even got involved in politics in California.
Obama’s friend Ayres also has an anarchist history. What exactly is the agenda for these people anyway?
Tom Hayden is nothing more than a 60s guy who can’t give up his “moment.”
He’s a joke. Jane divorced him because he was incredibly sexist.
He’s just a real joke. He comes from my neck of the woods…..in Santa Monica….and really has been virtually ignored for years. He managed to get onto Huffington Post with his poorly written editorials.
He’s lusting after his youth. Nothing more.
No. The reason Nixon “won” was because his henchmen help rig the primaries via dirty tricks.
Kind of like what the media and the GOP are doing now.
Party yes. But it’s a combination of the two.
1. The Dems think McGovern is the best thing since sliced bread.
2. The ‘plumbers’ in CREEP figure right away ‘GAWD WHAT A LOSER’.
3. The ‘plumbers’ make sure nobody but McGovern is left on the slate.
Correct. In ‘68, the Republicans actually FEARED Muskie as the tougher candidate, and the Plumbers worked to undermine his campaign.
They WANTED to run against McGovern, because they knew they could beat him.
Now, replace the names above: Clinton for Muskie , and Obama for McGovern, and you’ve got the same scenario.
The candidate the Repubs fear this time is not Obama. It’s Clinton.
So basically we pick a loser because his followers are throwing tantrums in the candy aisle. Ok, I get it. Let em screw themselves and be marginalized for a decade or so. Serves em right.
There’s always the option of creating a third party. I wonder if we could co-opt the old Bull Moose Party or something like that. Or the Constitutionalist party. Or the Party of Sanity and Reason. Something along those lines.
I think they should call it
The Centrist Party
The Jeffersonian party (as a shout out to Bill)
I like that name, or what about the Jefferson/Jackson party?
I think that starting a third party is something we really need to do. When will such an oppertunity happen again. The Democratic Party as I knew it, or thought I knew it, is gone.
After reading John Adams, I feel like naming it the Adams Party. He seemed less interested in Politics, just wanting to do what was right for the country. Since the left has demonized the Clintons, it should really be the Clinton party. Or maybe the Swing party, a play on how the swing votes really decide and election. Since Nintendo gave up the “revolution” name maybe we could be the revolutionist party. Or the moderate party. Maybe we could do a Steven Colbert and call it the American Party! Or simply the people party!
Hillary’s Party.
Speaking of that third party thing, has anyone read that book by Douglas Schoen? Declaring Independence: The Beginning of the End of the Two-Party System
It’s pretty interesting stuff about how the majority of Americans are moving toward the center, and feeling very alienated by extremists on both sides of the spectrum.
I think the DNC is out of their collective minds to try and run a candidate so far out of touch with the moderate voters. He cannot win with his boutiquey voters.
That is me, for sure. I don’t identify with either party.
The American Patriot. It’s a party.
The American Party
Plain and simple.
How about the Common Sense Party?
How bout Po’ Richards Party ?…..In the spirit of Ben Franklin…chuckle
You got that right Uppity!
I’m tired of carrying the water for these wimpy leftist loonies. They never can figure out why they loose. They call Clinton a waffle because he knew how to run government through compromise.
I’m going to laugh when the republicans stack the courts.
Don’t blame me I was for Hillary before I voted for McCain.
Well we’ve seen a Prez who has no concept of compromise — he is like a bull in a china shop. He knew he was going to find a reason to attack Iraq before he was elected — the hijacked domestic jets smashed into the Twin Towers, Pentagon and one hitting the ground in Pennsylvania — were just the excuse GWB and gang were waiting for.
Governing is the art of compromise — it is negotiations to find an agreement someplace in the MIDDLE. Just like Uppity has been reminding us.
GWB is a macho bull who goes by his gut instincts — and so is snObama. Damn those two are so much alike that it is frightening. (Although snObama is not so much the silly macho like gwb but rather the faux macho.)
Scott,
Perfect third party name!
Seattlemoss,
Perfect slogan:
I was for Hillary before I voted for McCain.
I love it.
Let’s see…they don’t want 68, so they are giving us ‘72. Seems bright. Same outcome.
I’ve been saying this for months now but here it is again; forgive the repeat: I live in Denver and have it from law enforcement officers that they are preparing for riots during the DNC. And it’s not the Hillary supporters they’re worried about.
On another blog someone posted this link which contains an image from a Georgia newspaper about law enforcement there gearing up for an Obama nomination. WARNING: THIS POST IS FROM THE BIG ORANGE HEMORRHOID. But it’s relevant to your post, Larry, and the comments are, well..stupid–consider the source.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/05/20/123456/580/745/518952
yes, its called “recreate 68″
http://www.recreate68.org/
They are in training.
maybe not going to Denver is the best thing. Let them bring it down all upon themselves.
Lord Have Mercy.
I’ve said since the beginning of the big bias swing from the media that they were afraid of being labeled racist.
Russert said on one of the programs that it is easier to criticize a woman then a black man. I think this was right around the time of the SNL skit.
Could be wrong.I haven’t been able to locate it dammit!
Anyway recreate 68 is supposedly not a pro Obama group however given the subtle and not so subtle warnings that have gone on since SC I do wonder about that.
I’ve said since the beginning of the big bias swing from the media
This could be the reason the right wing media are cuddling Barry. They know it brings out the worst in the party; they know what losers Dean and Brazile are; they know the Clintons are successful and good at their jobs. What better way to keep Dems out of power?
Excuse me here for a second, but do we really have to keep playing the Politically Correct game?
Blacks want Obama, Obama is Black, Obama doesn’t get the nod, Blacks riot. Blacks get smacked down. Blacks become more “Righteous” and “never let it lie”. White people walk away in disgust. “White guilt” has been reduced 100 fold. Whites end up not giving a shit about Black issues for next 50 years…
Is that issue?
I guess Race Relations is like the Stock Market — there are ups and downs…
From 1968 to 2008, that’s 40 years, I guess it’s time for a downturn in the market.
Remind me to “short Black Stocks”, and put my money into “Whitey”.
Did I miss something?
One can only hope
I really resent this comment. All blacks do not back Obama. I am a black attorney and I don’t support Obama. He scares me. I live in the Bay Area and it’s all my white liberal friends who are backing him here.
Stop making this a race issue or you are no better than them. From my perspective, the blacks in the South who supported him in the primary did so because they were given false information about the Clinton’s being racist. Most older black people are fairly conservative and if they had known about crazy a$$ Wright probably would not have backed Obama.
This campaign has proven to be divisive enough. I support Senator Clinton and would like for her to get the nomination. If she doesn’t, I will vote for McCain because I believe that whatever his shortcomings, he loves this country, just like I do. Let’s try to keep the tone down so people feel comfortable coming to our side if they change their minds about supporting Obama.
agree Oaktown….Obama has tried to make this a racial loyalty test….Devide and Conquer BS….This is about common sense.
Obama is a FASCIST…Obama’s candidacy defies logic as he is unfit to govern…If what Obama has managed to do within the Democratic Party is magnified nationally we are all of us in BIG TROUBLE….ALL OF US….We have got to have solidarity on that and not give in to the FASCIST TACTICS…
*** Lots of us get carried away in this pimary cause it’s pissin so many of us off….you are right to take to task and I respect that…we are in this together…all of us….***
Oaktown I sincerely apologize for my comment sir.
You are all right this is a much bigger issue than just “Blacks vs Whites”.
And I reacted too angrily and too quickly to see the facts. As soon as I saw the word “riot” I ignorantly assumed we are dealing with Black people only — I realize now that we are REALLY dealing with a whole heap of anti-American radicals.
I know that there are alot of Black supporters here at this site, and across the Nation — Again, I apologize — this Obama Campaign mess is giving me an ulcer.
Please understand that I HOPE TO JESUS that they don’t riot and turn this election into an even bigger mess, because I’m afraid that, what I described in my previous comment, is what’s gonna happen. And that would be very sad indeed.
Blacks aren’t the ones who would riot. It’s the crazy white radicals, you know the ones who rioted at the WTO meetings in Seattle.
Why are they planning to riot? I though Obamababy is the presumptive nominee. Are they worried someone might actually do what is right and select the good candidate?
Tom Hayden knows all about http://www.recreate68.com
Check it out. Look at the links. They even show how to build shields to protect themselves, and how to do recon undected. They list the hotels at which the delegates will be staying. It is 1968 all over again.
Go to the website and see for yourself.
Johnny, here’s a NQ story on that.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/11/recreate68s-bodyhammer-tactics-self-defense-manual/
Thanks Uppity. Maybe that’s where I found out about it. I’ll be there, as my wife is a Hillary delegate. I’ll report from the scene.
Be careful Johnny. These people are nuts. Invariably there will be a couple of old marxist hippies I went to school with. Somebody will make a wrong move. These crackpots think that was a romantic time. It wasn’t. There are always a couple of crackpots who go over the line and then all hell breaks loose. Nobody has told these little twits that are being used that sometimes the National Guard shows up.
This is Marxism, pure and simple. I hope it’s televised so they loose a couple of million more votes, just like ‘68
Someone should force all of these stupid Obamabots with their trust funds to serve in Iraq. Perhaps then they will learn what patriotism really is.
Trust funds my foot. They are NIKEs. No Income Kids With Education. They live home with their parents, who pay for the cell phones, car lease and insurance etc. They are sucking their parents’ retirement funds dry so that they can spend what pissant money they have themselves on appearing “upscale”. I know dozens of them. A worthless bloodsucking lot to be sure.