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The Christian Heresy of Barack and Michelle Obama

If you are shocked by the rantings of Falther Pfleger below, hang on to your hats. There are three videos below the fold of this article that you must see, which explains in detail Barack Obama’s religious beliefs. After you watch them I am sure most will agree that Barack and Michelle Obama have some explaining to do. Simply put, they are members of a church that is as much a heresy from genuine Christianity as Al Qaeda is a heresy of Islam. I realize I am touching a nerve in saying this, but it needs to be said.

I believe that “belief” matters. And if you will simply take time to understand the theology underpinning the church that Barack and Michelle Obama have attended for almost twenty years then you will realize why Barack cannot be President. It is based on an ideology of black supremacy and promotes a world view that demonizes white people. No one holding such views, even in the privacy of their pew or confessional, should be allowed anywhere near the office of the President. By the same token, a man who believes in white supremacy and demonizes black people should not be President. Some consistency here, folks.

Back in the sixties, George Romney, father of Mitt, ran for the Republican nomination. He was a Mormon and at that time Mormon theology held that black men could not be members of the priesthood because their skin color was evidence of their sin. Brigham Young said this:

“You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind …. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race—that they should be the ‘servant of servants’; and they will be, until that curse is removed; and the Abolitionists cannot help it, nor in the least alter that decree.”[16]

George Romney could never be elected President while being part of a church that held such views. Fortunately, for Mitt Romney anyway, the Mormons renounced the hateful views of Brigham Young. Well, I believe the same standard should apply to Barack. Here are the videos:

Part I

Part II

Part III

People are free to worship as they choose. I do not dispute the right of Barack and Michelle Obama to be members of a church, even if it is based on such a bizarre, hateful interpretation of history. But I also believe that Barack’s decision to willingly affiliate himself and his children with this kind of religious extremism disqualifies him to be president. People can change. Maybe Barack has grown up. But like the Mormons, he must renounce and reject the twisted theology he once accepted. He says words matter. That is true. But what you believe in your heart also matters. The afrocentric liberation theology of Cone and Wright and Pfleger is despicable theology and has no place in the Oval Office.

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Comment by Andy | 2008-05-29 11:00:42

The afrocentric liberation theology of Cone and Wright and Pfleger is despicable theology and has no place in the Oval Office.

No place AT ALL.

Obama is a representative of all them and their views. This is not “guilt by association” this is MEMBERSHIP. Obama’s membership.

There is little that is so un-American as the hate and divisions they profess.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-29 11:03:40

KEEP AT IT LARRY….THIS IS THE STEADY ENCROACHMENT OF MARXIST FASCISM….and you are exposing it….Thankyou.

Comment by tootsky | 2008-05-29 11:38:27

Back on this again?

Larry is an intelligence professional. Perhaps he can give some clear insight, with empirical data, not moans and groans - information!!, as to
A) What is liberation theology? Who are its founders? Why did the CIA while Larry worked there specifically target it? Who is Frei Betto?
B) What specifically empirical evidence is there that this has anything to do with some nonsense like “Black Supremacy”
C) What in terms of this theological practice, as well as theory, “demonizes” white people (As opposed to racist whites)? Is Larry suggesting that there is no such thing as white skin privilege?

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-29 12:02:11

Tootsky….You are full of it ! This site has been posting definitions, sources and links about Liberation Theology and Black Liberation Theology for months !
Liberation Theology : Read the Catholic Encyclopedia for theological
Liberation Theology in Action : Study Nicaraugua and El Salvado
Black Liberation Theology : Read James Cone it’s principal architect
Black Liberation Theology in Action : TUCC and Rev Wright offically recognized by Cone as most representative of his theology in action.

BLACK LIBERATION COMBINES MARXSIM WITH RACIAL SUPREMACY TO BE FASCISM…

Fascism : Adolf and the Gang and Mussolini for starters….

Comment by tootsky | 2008-05-29 12:07:51

As I said, empirical, historical data. Not out of control outbursts. I’m waiting.

And I have studied those nations, where US backed Opus Dei thugs massacred thousands of supporters of Liberation Theology. Or are you a defender of the Contras now?

Comment by Nellie | 2008-05-29 12:43:29

WOW! Opus Dei is a cult or sect under the guise of Catholicism.

So what does James Cones’ idiotic version of “religion”, Black Liberation Theology, which is Political base for the U.S. AA’s, with sprinkles of Chirtianity or Islam, to make it appear like a real religion, have to do with Central American Catholicism?

And, on what planet did you study these misconceptions you are spouting?

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-29 14:25:56

Nellie are you stupid…Cone took his bull shit from the Latin American Bishops and added Malcom X to it and presto Black Liberation Theology.
Liberation Theology arose in Politics a in 1968 at a meeting in Medellin during the meeting of Latin American Bishops and the doctrine of Justice and Peace. Shit do you think Cone was original ?…..SHEEEESH ! CONE SAW AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WAS ALL….HE’S A PHILOSOPHICAL HACK….

Comment by Nellie | 2008-05-29 16:49:27

WCA,

Hopefully I am not too stupid. But you did catch me out. I only looked at Black Liberation “Theology” to see what its definition was - and what it encompassed.

Didn’t like what I saw about BLT so was not interested in the history or origins and didn’t bother looking.

Mea culpa, Mea clupa, Mea maxima culpa!

So thanks for filling in the history - nice to have context.

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-29 19:07:13

Nellie I apologize if I was a bit harsh….This is something that truly concerns me….Obama is not the usual candidate….scuse’ most of my ire was directed at Tootsky

I was introduced to Liberation Theology in Philosophy class by a former Jesuit theologian from Latin America in 1984…That Jesuit put us through the wringer and we argued it for an entire semester using every concievable
moral, historical, political and philosophical as well as theological argument and he got us every time using Socratic dialogue and plain logic…I have no doubts as to what it is…I have been reading about it since that class and he was so good I took two more philosophy courses that were not required….If anyone wants a real challenge have a discussion with a Jesuit…chuckle
It is easy to get confused but there were mixed results in Latin America…My agument is the distortion of the theology which is HERETICAL and the usual exploitation of the Poor which is the usual result of Marxism….

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-05-29 20:31:47

My daughter is STILL pissed-off that the Jesuits don’t take girls into the SJ.

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Comment by Nellie | 2008-05-30 13:49:29

WCA,

I hear you - now I understand your phenomenal grasp of Latin.

I too was raised Catholic - went to Catholic School K - 12, and had Notre Dame nuns (straight out of the inquistion)

My mother tried twice to force me into a Catholic Girls College and I wouldn’t go. Mom stated I’d have to pay my own way if I didn’t go to school of her choice.

So I did oay mmy own way, and over time eventually ended up with a PhD. Wish I had Jesuits - I know they are good.

No apology necessary - just the raw hate in these tapes is sickening and encite negative emotions and reactions.

As an educator, I don’t know whether to scream at the tootsky’s of the world, or go all the way back and bit by bit try and get them to look for FACTUAL information.

In addition to the raw hatered, it truly bothers me that Leprosy is now “just a skin disease” , like having a certain color of skin.

The ancients, as you know, did not know about bacteria, and it was highly contagious. With this kind of gross mis-information floating around, we could end up with a rebirth of several diseases (plagues?) due to stupidity and ignorance.

By the way - love your posts - the Jesuits helped you become a fascinating thinker, and excellent writer.

Peace!

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Comment by Uppity | 2008-05-29 12:55:44

Do some work, or in addition to thinking I owe you what i worked for, do I have to do your work for you too? You have questions? Then use Google. It knows no race.

 

Comment by tesa | 2008-05-29 13:14:21

This is a ridiculous request. God gave you a brain, use it to think.

 

Comment by Seymour Glass | 2008-05-29 14:06:53

BOY - YOU REALLY CANT GET ANY DUMBER THAN THAT COMMENT!

100% DUMBASS.

STUPID TO THE BONE!

 

Comment by Kafir | 2008-05-29 14:34:17

And I have studied those nations, where US backed Opus Dei thugs massacred thousands of supporters of Liberation Theology.

tootsky, you’ve been watching too many bad movies.

 
 
 

Comment by Nellie | 2008-05-29 12:32:56

Hey,

Obviously tootsky troll you do not understand the difference between the words theology and ideology.

Theology - comes from the word Theism and is how mankind represents his belief and respect for the Supernatural, Divne, Creation or God (pick a word) For example: Catholics genuflect on one knee and make the sign of the cross in facing an alter. Jews wear skull caps in a synogogue. Muslims face east and pray on their knees.

These are examples of how theology manifests and is ALWAYS related to the Spiritual.

Ideology - comes from the word ideas and is related specifically to the ideas that are the basis of Political or Economic Philosophy’s. Kensian Economics, or Maoist governance are examples.

If you use google (and no, I will not do your work for you) you will find that Obama’s Church has as its basis no “Middle classness” and Afro-Centricsim among other things. Those are Economic and political ideas and have NOTHING to do with the Spritiual or divine.

Hence Black Liberation Thology is a misnomer, and it should be labeled Black Liberation Ideology.

Marxism or Socialism are the PC words that came into use as synonyms for Communism, after the excesses of McCarthism. Marxism or Socialism is the same product as Communism, just has a different label.

Now after you research the values and principles of Trinity, the Black Panthers and Nation of Islam, you can google Black Liberation Theology - and perhaps you may just learn something.

In summary, Larry Johnson is 100% accurate - but then he knows his history and terminolgy, unlike certain paid trolls,

Comment by tootsky | 2008-05-29 12:39:07

I’m not paid, but you really don’t know what you are talking about.

Again, empirical data from recognized historians of the region, not bleats.

Comment by tootsky | 2008-05-29 12:41:25

Many people believe Christ was a socialist and that the messianic age will come with the supersession of capitalism. Who are you to argue?

Comment by Obama_is_Weak | 2008-05-29 12:46:28

Better questions:

Who are you?

Who cares about what “many people believe” ?

What “recognized historians of the region” ?

If you want to have a serious intellectual argument then include your citations and references. Otherwise you are just another fraud.

Comment by tootsky | 2008-05-29 12:54:50

“many people believe”: A reference to freedom of religion.

The works of Greg Grandin on Latin America aer a good overview of the fight by the right wing of the Catholic Church and CIA against liberation theology. Noam Chomsky is also informative here, as are even historians opposed to LT, including Ratzinger himself.

In terms of tholigians, Walter Benjamin, a German Jewish Marxist is usually considereto be the first liberation theologian, but some argue that it goes back to the German Peasant uprisingso f the 16th century, if not the Diggers and others on the left wing of the English revolution of the 17th century.

In its Catholic, Muslim, Christian or Jewish variant, it is rooted in poverty, “alienation” as the old mole puts it.

Criticizing Liberation Theology is objectively a defense of the Mainstream of the Vatican, US foreign policy that helped massacre hundreds of thousands in Latin America, and in particular, the capitalism that is opposed by LT.

Comment by Nellie | 2008-05-29 13:09:57

Tootsky,

This comment of yours:

In terms of tholigians, Walter Benjamin, a German Jewish Marxist is usually considereto be the first liberation theologian

You DO NOT GET IT! Marxist and Theologian Are opposing Terms - oxymorons if you will. That is like saying “Clean Filth” or “Smart Idiot”.

Those kinds of words together are logically and factually opposed to one another, and are NOT True. Just like your use of a “Marxist Theologian”

Marxist by definition is secular and atheistic. Theologian refers to the Spriritual or Divine.

Comment by yttik | 2008-05-29 14:16:45

Is a “tholigian” a cross between a theologian and a hooligan?

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Comment by Ulahane | 2008-05-29 13:15:06

“Criticizing Liberation Theology is objectively a defense of the Mainstream of the Vatican”

Your argument here is a classic example of an either-or fallacy. You attempt to make the ludicrous assertions of Liberation Theology seem more palatable by arguing that you must either support it or support the “massacre hundreds of thousands in Latin America.” Obviously, other options exist here.

A similar either-or argument might be that one must be anti-communist or else support the mass slaughters committed by Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and other tyrants.

Liberation Theology, in this case Black Liberation Theology, fosters divisiveness and hatred toward others by asserting that all people fall into two categories (oppressor and oppressed). Black Liberation Theology takes this extreme idea even further by asserting that being being an oppressor, or an oppressed, is not based on your actions but by your race.

Obviously opposing this ideologically rationalized racism does not imply support of oppression.

 
 
 

Comment by Nellie | 2008-05-29 12:49:53

Again, stop demanding others do your work for you like a spoiled child. If you want empirical or technical data, then do your own damn work. You have a computer, and therefore have access to google.

By the way, I am a reserach professor, and do know my religions. So in order to convince me that my 30+ years of experience or research are wrong, you had better have some really good sources!

 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-05-29 12:57:14

Stick your Marxism up your ass. We will not have maxists running America. You either get the point now or you get it in November.

 

Comment by jm | 2008-05-29 13:36:39

So Christ was a socialist??? It is you who have no idea whatsoever of what you are talking about. Your self induced fantasies deserve their own language - so why not go talk to yourself in your forked tongue.

Obviously, you have no experience of Christian theology or with Christian churches. So until you get some, save yourself embarassment for your insane accusations and go read some real books.

 

Comment by Seymour Glass | 2008-05-29 14:14:36

look you loon - catholic liberation theology is very distinct from this domestic racist ideology.

I was raised by a DorothyDay Catholic mother. Our home was a refuge for Guatemalans running from death sentences. These Chicagoans and their resentment filled attacks on all whites who dont join them in their rants are not made up of the same stuff as an Archbishop romero.

Whats funny is that the King of Obama bloggers - Markos - has written that he was pr Arena party in El salvador - the political Party that targeted and murdered that good man.

And by the way, I know all about the conservative roots and funding of Opus dei - but your comment that they were the ones killing people in south america is stupid to the Nth degree.

hey - but the average IQ obviously is 100 - and Obama sure had drawn a lot of stupid people to him - and there are just as many stupid folk with degrees as not..

You folks are some sure ass all day suckers - thats for sure!

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-05-29 14:25:12

“Intelligence is no impediment to stupidity.” - A. Einstein

 
 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-05-29 15:55:21

Oh geez, here come those ‘many people’ so beloved by the bush people.

 
 
 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-29 16:31:40

actually Nellie it is a theology that espouses a combined Marxist and Fascist philosophy…Sorry I mis-identified you earlier,I meant Tootsky the idiot…beg pardon.
It is a theology in specific ways and suceeds in attracting those that are usually repulse by atheistic marxism.
In the Theology Cone takes the Latin Bishops many steps further.
The Latin Bishops sought to redefine the historical identitiy of Jeasus and redefined the nature of salvation. Big Theological No-No’s ! Cone adds the theory of Racial Supremacy and alters any actual history in the Biblical identification of Jesus…example although Jesus was a Jew and semetic he becomes a Black man in the image of Anwar Sadat. Jesus is reduced to being a militant Ghetto Freedom Fighter standing up for the Poor. The Christology of Jesus is minimized to favor political social activism…
The White Oppressor = Jews and Romans killed the Black Jesus etc..ad nauseum…

Comment by Nellie | 2008-05-30 14:03:32

WCA,

Having taught students from many countries, I probably internalized the differences between, Thology, Ideology and Mores.

Always open to the new and possible. How are you defining the word “Theology” including the nuances?

Yes, you could say I am attemtping to get a Jesuit education with no pain - but please, learning is always a great thing n’est pas?

 
 
 

Comment by Obama_is_Weak | 2008-05-29 12:52:03

Larry is an intelligence professional. Perhaps he can give some clear insight, with empirical data, not moans and groans - information!!, as to
A) What is liberation theology? Who are its founders?

Larry is indeed. On the other hand you are something else. Why don’t you get off your lazy ass and do the research on your own?

 

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-05-29 14:15:29

I believe that the commenters on this blog are working under a misunderstanding. Tootsky (who shall henceforth be referred to as “this idiot” has not asked a question, at least not one that he wants answered. More likely this idiot is channeling his inner chimpanzee, who only screams and throws manure.

 

Comment by Destardi | 2008-05-29 16:16:53

Tootsky…

You’re funny.

Does media (whether it be state owned, or as we’re experiencing in America, PROPAGANDA) need “empirical data” to shape opinions/thoughts, ever so subtly?

Gee, I dunno…does Pfleger’s comments saying “whites feel entitled” shape opinions, confirm already held suspicions, or is that not possible because the listener/observer doesn’t have a sheet in front of them with empirical evidence supporting Pfleger’s comments?

You’re a fool..live in the real world.

 
 

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-05-29 22:21:04

Why would a non-black person support BO as his Black Liberation Movement calls for doing away with them?!

How do they get away with tax exempt status for this political hate speech?

It’s sickening!

 
 

Comment by christian aaron | 2008-05-29 12:57:37

Since the Military Service of Charles T. Payne I’m sure is forgotten history here now that you’ve been proven wrong, I thought I’d post up front on this diary. Because I know everyone, especially Larry, is interested in the “truth”….

Charles T. Payne, his name was likely misheard as an E. See, these “mysteries of life” happen all the time, and it doesn’t mean that someone is a lying Manchurian Candidate.

I can’t wait for the next right-wing talking point. ‘Ordhuf’ was “just” a work camp…. can’t wait.

So, Larry calls Obama either a moron or a liar. He asks how he got to Buchenwald snarkily, “by Boat??” Ha ha ha ha. Funny. Where’s the apology diary? Where’s the attention to the truth? You people do not know what you are doing. You are rabid fanatics, yet I try to come here and help.

By the way, my grandfather told me for years that he was in the Caost Guard. He’s gone now, rest him. And I only found out a couple of years ago the he was in the Caost Guard RESERVES after the Navy. OH MY GOD!! He was a liar, a scoundrel, a jerk for lying to me like that….. please.

Who’s going to admit they’re wrong? At least on this “lie” of Obama’s? Or are we going to parse this because he said Auschwitz? Like Sniper fire in Bosnia, no? I always say, I’ll vote for Hillary is she’s the nominee, but unlike you folks here who would vote for McCain, it’s because I’m…. sane.

J Straight
May 29th, 2008 at 12:02 am
On the matter of the military service of Charlie Payne, the great-uncle of Barack Obama:

His full name is Charles Thomas Payne and he IS the uncle (the term “uncle” has in fact been used even for great-uncles in that family) who served in the Army in the 89th Infantry during WW II and suffered severe enough PTSD that, after coming back from the war, he isolated himself at home for some time.

Charles recovered, attended college and to this day is an active, mentally vital, 83 year-old resident of Chicago.

This information was obtained tonight from a phone conversation with members of the Payne family and is being posted to correct the mis-information that is swirling around the internet.

CORRECT info:
1. Charles’ middle initial is “T”, not “W”;
2. he did have what is now termed PTSD; and
3. he was so traumatized by what he encountered during the war, that he in fact did isolate himself at home for a lengthy period of time.

Charles is the second of FOUR Payne siblings:

1. Madelyn Lee
2. Charles Thomas
3. Margaret Arlene
4. Jon Virgil, (born 1937, which is why there is no listing for him in the 1930 Census of Augusta City, Butler County, Kansas. This census has been the only source offered for “Payne sibling info” oin all of the genealogical sites cited by those interested in this story.

I suspect that the listing for Charles E. Payne of Kansas is in fact the record for Charles Thomas Payne. I believe the scribe probably heard “E” instead of “T.” That type of error is frequent in census records and in military records where the info is provided orally:

Payne, Charles E. Inducted 9 June 1943, Army 37531353 Registered, order # V11125 Augusta, Butler Co. (Board # 2)

http://www.kshs.org/genealogis…..mit=SEARCH

 

Comment by Jack | 2008-05-29 20:56:05

On the button, Andy: It’s not “guilt by association” - it’s membership in, support of, and excuses for Hate mongering.

BLT churches have hijacked Christianity the same way MELT (Middle Eastern Liberation Theology) and RIF (radical Islamic fascism) has done to Islam.

It seems like these BLT ministers [???] are a bunch of twisted, fanatical ex-circus barker types who hypnotize thier minions into hate-filled xenophobes, extort power and treasure, invert logic by blaming what they’re doing on others, and create divisions within peaceful societies in order to further their influence and shakedown activities.

The fact that Obama and his surrogates (and many in the MSM) are defending this influence of hate for political gain is the worst kind of politics — the selling your soul kind of politics.

 

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-05-29 22:32:19

You’re a patriot Larry! I’m a much more informed voter now. HOLY COW!

The Black Liberation Movement has Obama and the Klan has Duke.

I don’t recall Duke sounding as racist as this crap, which is really saying something.

Why does the IRS let them get away with this as an alleged Church?!!

Take their ill-gained property and give it to the poor!

 
 

Comment by Daryl | 2008-05-29 11:02:09

Man am I tired of the sixties.

Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2008-05-29 11:37:42

Me too. I went through all of this before. It was a crock then and it’s a crock now. I’m now too old to be guilted into accepting this sort of thing.

Listen up, young ones: you are not action rationally.

Comment by Michael | 2008-05-29 12:30:12

Oh, it’s much older than the 60’s. My religion, Catholicism, requires I pray for the conversion of the Jews. And I do, because under Judaism, slavery and animal sacrifice are allowed. Look it up; it’s right there in the Old Testiment.

Now THAT religion, if you can call it that, is what, 5000 years old? This goes back much further than James Cone.

Comment by Obama_is_Weak | 2008-05-29 20:36:37

You too Anti-semite Michael: You are one fascist pig. Go flagellate yourself some more; and this time please don’t forget your private parts. Ah! and while you are at it please call Obama he’s looking for you. It seems you got the wrong script. He has another one for those friends in the OpusDei

 
 

Comment by Michael | 2008-05-29 12:33:09

This goes back much further than the 60’s. My religion, Catholicism, requires that I pray for the conversion of the Jews. And I do - they allow slavery and animal sacrifice.

Look it up: it’s right there in the Old Testament.

 
 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-05-29 12:58:55

Me too. The faces are different, but the shit is the same. Some of the faces aren’t even different, come to think of it. We trashed these pigs channeling through McGovern then and we will end it again now.

 
 

Comment by Ellen Tenn | 2008-05-29 11:06:56

I can’t wait for all of the rich white kids who voted for Obama to wake up and realize that they now “owe” black people something. That they should give up their I-Pods, cell phones and fancy clothes because their ancestors have inherited their place in life at the expense of slaves. These college students have no idea what they are doing. HOPE! CHANGE! They were swept up in all this hype and now the facts are coming out.

Comment by Blue State Girl | 2008-05-29 11:30:04

Funny you should bring that up. Has Obama said anything about reparations? If so, can it be found online?

Comment by Tricia | 2008-05-29 12:07:08

Look in his books

 

Comment by Lady MacBeth Obama | 2008-05-29 12:45:15

BS girl Troll.

 
 

Comment by MaryPat | 2008-05-29 12:37:35

Yep. They are in love with the IDEA of Barack Obama. They evaluate him the same way they evaluate “friends” for Facebook, MySpace and other social networking sites. Does he look good? Does he sound good? It’s all so superficial. Their support is a mile wide and an inch deep, just like their candidate.

I want to scream every time I hear about how wonderful it is to have these “new young voters” engaged in the political process. They don’t give a crap about the political process. They only care about their cool new “friend” who is going to make the world into a REALLY awesome place.

Comment by hillarysmygirl | 2008-05-29 13:49:55

When I ask my two San Francisco/Berkeley friends why they voted for Barack Obama, they say, “I read his book. He’s a really good writer.” They don’t know anything about his policies, they hardly pay attention to the news (except to say, “What about Hillary’s Bosnia gaffe?”) and they know nothing about him except that he looks cool to them and sounds good when he speaks.

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-05-29 14:23:01

I wish the Trilateral Commission had called me…I was getting set up for Bohemian Grove and had just done the Bilderbergers thing when she went Balkan…but I could have arranged personally to have “pinked” HRC at a non-lethal, non-disabling location on her body at some range. (”Grassy KNOLL? We don’t need no steenking Grassy Knoll!”)

Just a little scratch. Not enough to require stitches. Something that shows in a cocktail dress, but in a Muted, Tasteful manner. Then this partcular variety of horseshit would be moot. When called on it by the baying Chihuahuas of the Obamasphere, she could just flash a little clavicle, a la LBJ.

Well, time for me to motor or I’ll be late for the Freemasons! We’ll be dealing yet ANOTHER blow to the Metric System soon!!!

 
 
 

Comment by Uppity | 2008-05-29 13:00:02

Ellen, this is why adults don’t let children and radicals pick presidents.

 
 

Comment by workingclass artist | 2008-05-29 11:08:22

” It is the goal of the Black Intellectual to aid in the destruction of America as he knows it…Such destruction requires both Black Anger and White Guilt..”
James Cone. Architect of Black Liberation Theology

Black Liberation Theology = Marxist Fascism wrapped up in a militant Baby Jesus.

Obama is a fascist and a threat to democracy.

Comment by Stray | 2008-05-29 12:11:58

Watch for the guilt owed to be shown on CNN. To be shown in July with the docu drama “Black In America”

Comment by Uppity | 2008-05-29 13:02:06

I don’t have any guilt. But I sure am developing a lot of anger.

Comment by Ivory Bill Woodpecker | 2008-05-29 13:20:24

I had some white guilt feelings, but the behavior of Plastic Jesus and his Oborg have vaporized it.

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-05-29 14:32:45

I have more than enough guilt for the things that I have done. I have none at all for the mistreatment of AAs, as neither I nor any of my family that I know of had any part in that mistreatment. And I have only disgust for anyone who tries to assign any of that guilt to me.

 
 

Comment by Nellie | 2008-05-29 14:36:50

Amen to that Uppity. I have NEVER felt this much anger during a political campaign.

 

Comment by Lucinda | 2008-05-29 15:56:24

I don’t have any guilt either. As far as I know, I’ve never done anything to harm anyone on the basis of race. And I’m not responsible for my ancestors. It’s like asking someone to bear a burden of guilt because their great-great grandfather committed a crime.

 
 
 

Comment by Susan1968 | 2008-05-29 12:29:13

When I was in college I had a French class with an AA guy who espoused the “white guilt for slavery” angle at every opportunity.

His parents were from the French West Indies and he spoke French fluently. As a result, he didn’t have to buy the textbooks to ace the class.

When he came to class he usually wanted to see someone else’s textbook - ususally mine. And he wasn’t polite about it. A smart guy but it seemed to me he went out of his way to be annoying.

He offered his black liberation speeches regularly although that class had nothing to do with the history of slavery.

Teacher and students were afraid to say a word or be damnned as racists.

One day after one of his “white guilt” inducing speeches, he once again ordered, “Give me that book.”

My expression clearly relayed by opinion of him. He says really loud, “You don’t like me do you Susan?” Teacher froze to the spot. Students went pale.

Equally loud I say,”Right. I don’t like you. However you’ll assume it’s because you’re Black. But the truth is I don’t like you because you act like an a-s-s-hole.”

Silence.

And then he laughs — loud. He laughs and says, “I was wondering when someone would call me on it.”

We became buddies after that. He even helped me pass French (I’m terrible with foreign languages).

I realized then AAs do not particularly want you to “be nice to them” solely out of white guilt.

Although some of my AA friends admit they’ll exploit white guilt to get what they want, however they don’t respect or trust white folks who are “being nice” solely out of guilt for America’s slavery history.

I refuse to be manipulated by white guilt. The Obama campaign can try — but I refuse.

Comment by AnninCa | 2008-05-29 12:58:52

Fun tale there!

I don’t have white guilt, but then……I think I’ve been worn out in life by family guilt. *haha

I don’t have any more ROOM for guilt thinking.

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-05-29 13:14:57

When I get the deed to the 164 acres of Virginia farm land that a Carpetbagger-installed government expropriated from my ancestor (who had freed his slaves, both of them, in 1859) after the Civil War, my heart and mind MIGHT then be open to the lamentations of the oppressed and put-upon African American.

Meantime, I’ve BEEN fucked once, sans a Good Night kiss. Please peddle Liberation Theology, Reparations and White Man’s Debt somewhere else.

I already gave at the courthouse.

Comment by Susan1968 | 2008-05-29 14:42:08

Fred:

Love your posts.

Carry on.

 

Comment by Mary | 2008-05-29 18:19:35

Really, Fred!!!!

I have an ancestor who died at Gettysburg helping Michelle Obama’s ancestors be free.

Where’s MY reparation check?

Comment by Lucinda | 2008-05-29 18:52:30

I want the British to pay for the what they did to my ancestors in Scotland. We wouldn’t have had to come to the this mean country if we hadn’t been run out of our own by British imperialism. :wink:

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-05-29 20:18:34

I’ve never been sure if mine emigrated from Scotland because of oppression by the English, the stinking weather, because they’d pissed off all the other plaid-asses and were one step ahead of the hangman or because they heard that there were more cattle to steal in America.

Probably, they came to America for the same reasons that Noo Yawkers come to Florida: taxes are low, weather is nice and the Townies are a bunch of doofuses who work for nothing.

Almost ALL of us are descended from immigrants who got run out of someplace else for being a pain in the ass. Some rode across standing up and pukining over the rail and some rode lying down, in chains.

All came to the same place.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Gaylen | 2008-05-30 01:15:37

“I realized then AAs do not particularly want you to “be nice to them” solely out of white guilt.

Although some of my AA friends admit they’ll exploit white guilt to get what they want, however they don’t respect or trust white folks who are “being nice” solely out of guilt for America’s slavery history.”

Hearing this kind of thing just gets me all kind of annoyed. Are there legions of psychic AA’s that can read my mind and differentiate between my normal nice and guilt nice?

I’m nice to people. Not just black people, every kind of people. I smile at people and say hello when I make eye contact. I help people who’ve dropped things. I thank people when they hold a door for me and I hold doors for other people. I excuse myself when I pass in front of people. It’s called common courtesy and apparently it’s so rare in this country that no one can believe a person would be polite just to be polite.

Do I need to be afraid that if the other person is black, that they are secretly sneering at me for falling all over myself to be nice out of white guilt? Do I need to wear a sign that I’m not a white apologist, just someone that was raised to have manners?

I’ve never heard of anything like this before. These people who are screening for the appropriate level of guilt-free nice must be exceptionally jaded people if they can’t just appreciate that there are still some polite people of any color in this society. We should be encouraging common decency, not examining it for ulterior motives.

 
 
 

Comment by **== President & Commander-in-Chief Hillary Clinton **== | 2008-05-29 11:08:53

I realize I am touching a nerve in saying this, but it needs to be said.

You shy of touching a nerve? ;)

 

Comment by Myshiba | 2008-05-29 11:09:08

Americans are finally waking up and seeing that obama is brainless, clueless, and incompetent; just like they did for bush and the iraq war, the msm (with the assistance and complicity of the DNC) is attempting to ram obama down our throats (unvetted and filled with lies and deception); IT WON’T WORK THIS TIME BECAUSE WE ARE HIP TO THE CON!

 

Comment by Myshiba | 2008-05-29 11:09:54

americans are finally waking up and seeing that obama is brainless, clueless, spineless, and incompetent; just like they did for bush and the iraq war, the msm is attempting to ram obama down our throats (unvetted and filled with lies and deception); IT WON’T WORK THIS TIME BECAUSE WE ARE HIP TO THE CON!

 

Comment by Mel | 2008-05-29 11:13:22

Would a true Christian lie in a church of Christ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ad3Uo9niiU

 

Comment by **== President & Commander-in-Chief Hillary Clinton **== | 2008-05-29 11:18:56

OT: Ricky Martin endorses Hillary! Way to go Ricky!

And Hillary has a double your impact donation thing until Saturday night at midnight.

Have You Seen the Polls?
by Lindsay Levin
5/29/2008 10:59:09 AM

Hillary just sent out the following message:

Dear Friend,

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That is why it’s critical that we stay in this race and keep fighting for every last vote. We can win the nomination if we extend our popular vote lead, and that means putting everything we have into the final races. With just a few days before the voters in Puerto Rico head to the polls, our campaign is working hard — and your support is making the difference.

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Hillary Rodham Clinton

Comment by Andy | 2008-05-29 11:29:07

Thanks for posting this !

This is indeed important: we need to help in any way we can and they are matching our contributions.

She needs help to mobilize the people in Puerto Rico to come out and vote.

Obama is on the airwaves a lot.

She needs help to get her message out. She needs the popular vote: the people to come out for her.

Usually more than 70% of Puerto Rico participate in elections and they are talking now it will be only about 50% now.

We need turn out !!

They need help also in the phone banks; if you speak spanish more so.

Comment by **== President & Commander-in-Chief Hillary Clinton **== | 2008-05-29 11:36:55

Usually more than 70% of Puerto Rico participate in elections and they are talking now it will be only about 50% now.

I think that’s propaganda bullshit from the Obama campaign. They love to say something is true before it happens in order to make it happen.

Sad news for them: this doesn’t seem to be working too well. Look at all the times they’ve counted Hillary out.

 
 
 

Comment by Mrs. V. Cardell | 2008-05-29 11:19:18

Let me tell you people something. YOU DISGUST ME AND SO DOES HILLARY CLINTON!

I am a life-long Democrat and I have NEVER voted for a Republican, but after the vicious lies Clinton and sites such as No Quarter have disseminated about Barack Obama, and after Hillary Clinton showing her true colors and suggesting a political assassination of Obama would give her the WH - I am done being polite.

Should anything happen to Barack Obama from here on out, I swear I will register as a Republican and vote for John McCain. There is NO WAY I will EVER vote for Hillary Clinton! I can assure you, I have heard and read of many others who have since decided the very same thing.

Hillary Clinton is one sick person! And so are you phony Democrats here!

Comment by beebop | 2008-05-29 11:22:42

Bang! I hope that was the door after your stupid ass got hit by it …. those who are not going to learn by history are doomed to repeat it. Buh-bye.

Comment by Chaos | 2008-05-29 12:21:18

And if you think the proud white race is going to be enslaved, think again.

Comment by HARP | 2008-05-29 12:25:53

We`ll mark you down as undecided then.

 

Comment by Onehandclapping | 2008-05-29 13:26:31

Wow, who said anything about enslaving anybody?