Comments on: “Unity” Shuck and Jive: Obama Campaign Opposed Counting 100% of Florida’s Votes — But Tried to Avoid Saying So http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/ Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:02:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Obama, Florida, Disenfranchisement and Quicksand : NO QUARTER http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-729139 Obama, Florida, Disenfranchisement and Quicksand : NO QUARTER Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:00:48 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-729139 [...] the full inclusion of Florida’s delegates in the Democratic convention as a “‘Unity’ Shuck and Jive,” a “shuck and jive” that will now have electoral [...] [...] the full inclusion of Florida’s delegates in the Democratic convention as a “‘Unity’ Shuck and Jive,” a “shuck and jive” that will now have electoral [...]

]]> By: Kinky Ogremann http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-303556 Kinky Ogremann Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:24:21 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-303556 I can't believe how far removed the Obamabots are - they actually feel that Obama's "concession was a mark of true leadership"! I have a difficult time of even typing those words! Their weird reasoning: - You should be glad you even got that as Obama had the votes (by a margin of one) to split MI by 50/50, which is what he wanted and would have passed - this is true, but just because he had them in his pocket doesn't make it right. They are suppose to rule based on principles and ethics, not partisanship. - The reason why they reached this "magnanimous compromise" was because the Clinton supporters on the committee, realizing how this would look, implored them during that private 3 hour lunch meeting to reconsider for the sake of party unity and for the necessary win by a Democrat of MI in the general. - the best these idiots could come up with besides 50/50 delegate proportioning? 69-59 and stealing 4 Clinton delegates for a person not even on the ballot. A person who at most, probably only received half of the 40% uncommitted vote as Edwards was polling really high in MI. To second-guess the actual voters, to hijack another candidate's delegates, to use exit polls to determine actual elections while negating those actual elections, to substitute one's own judgment as to how many actually MIGHT HAVE voted or stayed home, is ridiculous and completely undemocratic. That, Obamabots is why we say you are devoid of reasoning, of ethics, of morality, and most importantly, of the true principles of what comprises America -- democracy. I can’t believe how far removed the Obamabots are - they actually feel that Obama’s “concession was a mark of true leadership”! I have a difficult time of even typing those words!

Their weird reasoning:
- You should be glad you even got that as Obama had the votes (by a margin of one) to split MI by 50/50, which is what he wanted and would have passed - this is true, but just because he had them in his pocket doesn’t make it right. They are suppose to rule based on principles and ethics, not partisanship.
- The reason why they reached this “magnanimous compromise” was because the Clinton supporters on the committee, realizing how this would look, implored them during that private 3 hour lunch meeting to reconsider for the sake of party unity and for the necessary win by a Democrat of MI in the general.
- the best these idiots could come up with besides 50/50 delegate proportioning? 69-59 and stealing 4 Clinton delegates for a person not even on the ballot. A person who at most, probably only received half of the 40% uncommitted vote as Edwards was polling really high in MI. To second-guess the actual voters, to hijack another candidate’s delegates, to use exit polls to determine actual elections while negating those actual elections, to substitute one’s own judgment as to how many actually MIGHT HAVE voted or stayed home, is ridiculous and completely undemocratic.

That, Obamabots is why we say you are devoid of reasoning, of ethics, of morality, and most importantly, of the true principles of what comprises America — democracy.

]]> By: The DNC - A party in crisis | Herd Watching http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-303544 The DNC - A party in crisis | Herd Watching Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:15:49 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-303544 [...] In looking at the why, it becomes clear that there is more to it than simply the politics of this election. If all that was in play was the 2008 race then Obama’s handlers should have pushed for a full seating, without penalty, of FL and MI. It almost certainly would not have prevented the super delegates from voting for him and pushing forward his nomination. It would have been a hugely popular move and almost certainly would have taken the fight out of many Hillary supporters. Instead Obama’s mouthpiece opposed the full seating, but like Obama himself tried hard to avoid having to say anything of substance out loud. [...] [...] In looking at the why, it becomes clear that there is more to it than simply the politics of this election. If all that was in play was the 2008 race then Obama’s handlers should have pushed for a full seating, without penalty, of FL and MI. It almost certainly would not have prevented the super delegates from voting for him and pushing forward his nomination. It would have been a hugely popular move and almost certainly would have taken the fight out of many Hillary supporters. Instead Obama’s mouthpiece opposed the full seating, but like Obama himself tried hard to avoid having to say anything of substance out loud. [...]

]]> By: Kinky Ogremann http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-303488 Kinky Ogremann Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:44:44 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-303488 He's not - there's already circulating whispers that Obama is already seeking Dean's replacement on the DNC. Obama IS known after all for throwing people under the bus after he's done bleeding them dry of any political usefulness - see grandma who raised him, Wright who introduced him to God, Trinity church that gave him Black credibility and helped him achieve office in Chicago, and perhaps after tomorrow - his wife, who was his legitimacy to the American slavery history. He’s not - there’s already circulating whispers that Obama is already seeking Dean’s replacement on the DNC. Obama IS known after all for throwing people under the bus after he’s done bleeding them dry of any political usefulness - see grandma who raised him, Wright who introduced him to God, Trinity church that gave him Black credibility and helped him achieve office in Chicago, and perhaps after tomorrow - his wife, who was his legitimacy to the American slavery history.

]]> By: salliort http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302464 salliort Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:50:03 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302464 http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080601/Primary.Rdp/ "Robert Gibbs, a senior aide, did not rule out the possibility that Obama will seat the Michigan and Florida delegations at full strength if he is the nominee." He said this on ABC's "This Week." It was more strongly worded in an earlier report, by AP. http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080601/Primary.Rdp/

“Robert Gibbs, a senior aide, did not rule out the possibility that Obama will seat the Michigan and Florida delegations at full strength if he is the nominee.”

He said this on ABC’s “This Week.”

It was more strongly worded in an earlier report, by AP.

]]> By: Deb Cupples http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302425 Deb Cupples Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:39:44 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302425 HI Brent, Myself, I thought there would be an appeal and wanted to see how it went before making noise. The appeal has, at long last, happened. And now I'm making noise. HI Brent,

Myself, I thought there would be an appeal and wanted to see how it went before making noise.

The appeal has, at long last, happened. And now I’m making noise.

]]> By: Deb Cupples http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302401 Deb Cupples Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:33:47 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302401 Obviously, I agree with you -- except that Wexler is <strong>not all</strong> bad. He really did fight for FL's paper trail -- and now we have one. I'm just strongly disappointed in him over the RBC/FL thing. Obviously, I agree with you — except that Wexler is not all bad. He really did fight for FL’s paper trail — and now we have one.

I’m just strongly disappointed in him over the RBC/FL thing.

]]> By: Deb Cupples http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302387 Deb Cupples Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:30:05 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302387 Medusa, Thanks. I don't have a link to the Tarpley piece. Medusa,

Thanks. I don’t have a link to the Tarpley piece.

]]> By: Deb Cupples http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302342 Deb Cupples Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:19:35 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302342 I covered Michigan's plan in early May at Buck Naked Politics: http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/05/michigan-dems-w.html I covered Michigan’s plan in early May at Buck Naked Politics:

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/05/michigan-dems-w.html

]]> By: Deb Cupples http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302310 Deb Cupples Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:12:49 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/01/unity-shuck-and-jive-obama-campaign-opposed-counting-100-of-floridas-votes-but-tried-to-avoid-saying-so/#comment-302310 Alcee Hastings, an African American official in Florida, said something simlar. That's why he's boycotting the convention. Alcee Hastings, an African American official in Florida, said something simlar. That’s why he’s boycotting the convention.

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