After the RBC Theft, No Other Outcome is Acceptable
By medusa on June 2, 2008 at 3:15 PM in Barack Obama, Clinton, Credentials Committee, Cultist Thugs, Current Affairs, DNC, Delegates, Democracy, Democratic National Convention, Disenfranchisement, Hillary Clinton, Puerto Rico
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CNN reports that Hillary swept Puerto Rico in a win that contradicts previous voting patterns in this primary:
Clinton won 70 percent of the male vote, 65 percent of voters under 30, 70 percent of voters who attended college, and 66 percent of voters with an income of over $50,000. Clinton also performed strongly among those demographic groups that have long constituted the backbone of her base. She won 70 percent of female voters, 77 percent of those over 65, 69 percent who did not attend college, and 71 percent of voters with an income of $15,000 or less.
Nevertheless, here’s how the NYT reports Hillary’s win in Puerto Rico:
Mrs. Clinton’s campaign chairman, Terry McAuliffe, called the island’s primary “another convincing win for Hillary” on CNN, and Mr. Obama conceded the race to her in a speech in Mitchell, S.D. “She is going to be a big asset going into November” in efforts to defeat the Republicans, Mr. Obama said.
A big asset? Only an unscrupulous sexist ass would say such a thing, and we now know beyond all doubt that Barack Obama sets the gold standard in sexism.
Obama appears to be under the impression that he can appropriate Hillary’s victories and more importantly, Hillary’s supporters.Can I say it any more clearly: I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA. Obama not only doesn’t represent me, he exemplifies all that I find despicable in politicians. What we’ve learned about Obama since this primary season began is that he is the complete opposite of who he claims to be.As Deb Cupples points out, the RBC assigning half votes to Florida delegates was business as usual with Obama: a two-faced hypocrite stealing votes from Hillary. How do you think Obama’s come this far? We all know that the majority of his “votes’ came from caucusing and we know how the caucuses worked. Working people, those with young kids, and the elderly among others, couldn’t get to the caucuses, and the reports of Obama’s thugs threatening, destroying, forging, and corrupting the caucus process are manifold. Has the DNC done anything to check out these reports? Not to my knowledge. The question that I’m asking myself now: does the DNC represent me? Why did they give Obama four of Hillary’s Michigan delegates? Anglachel posted a theory about this:
Taking away delegates from Hillary and handing them to Obama, however, is not within their purview, and this will come back to bite them in the ass. First, as I said above, it indicates that the internal count of the Obama delegates is weaker than they claim. Four delegates should not make that big a difference, yet they obviously do even with the count reduced by the 50% rule. There is no other rational reason to force this misallocation for such a small number of delegates, given the blowback that will occur.
What’s this blowback going to look like? According to the NYT, Hillary and her supporters need to fall in line behind Obama:
In order for us to be successful in November, the runner-up is going to have to go all out in support of the nominee,” said Representative Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. “The runner-up is going to have to be there from Day One. The support is going to have to be more than just lip service.
However, I strongly agree with Harp, a commenter on NQ, who writes:
I have been a Democrat longer than Hillary and if she endorses BO she will lose my respect and my vote. This is not about Obama anymore. This is about the pillaging of the party. The DNC are corrupt and MUST be purged. No other outcome is acceptable.
To call the RBC outcome a “theft” is wrong. The theft occurred when the MI and FL primaries were pushed forward. The elected officials in both states ignored the warnings from the DNC, and proceeded to disenfranchise the voters of their states. The voters were robbed of their chance to hear the campaign and speeches of the candidates, and the voters of MI were robbed of the opportunity to vote for any candidate except Clinton.
Before the RBC meeting, the theft had already occurred. To seat the delegates ‘as is’ would only act to legitimize the egregious actions of those states. Let’s hope that the voters in these states remember the actions of their elected officials, and boots them out in favor of people who will actually act in the voters interest.
Hi Donna Brazille - nice to see you on the blogs.
We believe you…really.
I can’t support a corrupt DNC.
I thought it was Howard Dean!!!!!!!! lol
Well, that disqualifies Obama.
… and Donna Brazille and Robert Wexler. The heave ho!
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“the voters of MI were robbed of the opportunity to vote for any candidate except Clinton”
This is not factual. It is untrue on TWO accounts. FIrst, there were other candidates on the democratic ballot. Kuchinich and Dodd kept their names on the ballot. Second, the reason michigan voters could not vote for Edwards, Richardson, Biden and Obama is that these campaigns voluntarily removed their names from the ballot. This was done for purely political purposes and was well-discussed in Iowa newspapers including the Des Moines Register of October 11, 2007. It was revealed that the Obama campaign saw polls showing their candidate trailed by over 20% and removed his name to curry favor with Iowa voters. Both Richardson and Obama spent money and led handbill campaigns to get their supporters to vote uncommitted. Any fault for lack of anything but campaigning in Michigan is only the fault of campaigns like Obama’s.
Votes were taken from Clinton and given to Obama by the RBC of the DNC. There was much discussion of hypothetical and rhetorical voters. REAL votes were dismissed. Hypothetical votes were given undue influence.
These actions should shine a bright light on the serious back room dealing that has gone on in terms of setting up the democratic primary season. States with few voters, holding caucuses, and of relatively unimportance in the general election were given based on some back room deal prior to the primary. The moving up of Nevada and South Carolina in a backroom move should also show that the DNC has no interest in reflect reality but more interest in shoving through an agenda and now a singularly unfit candidate. I have not yet registered as an independent, but I have to admit, it’s just a matter of when I can do it. This entire primary situation REEKS of pandering to special interests.
ERIC Have you not a clue in the world or a brain in your head or even the capacity to think?
If you want one of many ways to review the thievery that’s been happening, recommend you look at the well documented SD endorsements that have, in numerous states, contradicted and overruled the will of the people - and the voters of many states.
get a life. and a mind. and most of all some I-N-T-E-G-R-I-T-Y.
That is funny.
You do know that Florida has a Republican governor and legislature, don’t you?
“voters were robbed of their chance to hear the campaign and speeches of the candidates” No, CNN ran countless uncut speeches by all major candidates. They have television in Florida and Michigan.
“voters of MI were robbed of the opportunity to vote for any candidate except Clinton.” Half true. There were minor candidates on the ballot. But, Barack and Edwards did rob Michigan because they were expected to loose there.
I live in the Banana Republic of Michigan where Party Bosses will assign your vote to someone else. If you live in this State please call the Party Bosses and give them your thoughts, I did. The DNC can be reached at 1-202-863-8000 and the Michigan DEMS at 1-517-371-5410
PARTY BOSSES –
they checking thier account balance after obama camp donated some cash to them for those hijacked free delegates
I greatly admired Hillary Clinton before this campaign began; and my admiration of her has only increased as she has so gallantly fought her sleazy crooked opponent, the sleazy crooked press and the sleazy crooked DNC to a virtual tie. With all due respect to HARP, whose comments I generally love, I have faith that she will never do anything that would cause me to lose respect for her.
But if she does not get the nomination, my vote will go to John McCain no matter who she endorses. This country has endured to its detriment two terms of an incompetent, amoral front man for various crooks and thieves; the last thing we need is Obama, an even more incompetent and amoral front man for an even more slimy and thuggish group of crooks and thieves. Not voting or writing in Hillary’s name works in Obama’s favor. McCain would not be a good President, but he would not be the unmitigated disaster that is Obama.
I support Hillary as the sole competent candidate. An endorsement from her does not bestow that competence upon Obama. She’s no more of a magician than is the Precious.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/02/clinton-summons-top-donor_n_104715.html
Don’t click on troll propaganda links.
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openmind you should not spread propaganda. Hillary is not conceding anything.
I’ve been saying this for weeks, Hillary ain’t no quitter!
Go to rezkowatch DOT blogspot DOT com to read the rest of this:
This is GREAT NEWS! Trolls you can bite me!
Yes, truly the DNC must be replaced with the far more representative and squeaky-clean DLC.
By the way, does this website offer any quarter? I like to spin about your security and I need a place where I will be given quarter.
report to the DNC and Obama campaign they give quarter to those who spin security and are wiling to negotiate our security I hear….its over there to the far far far far left, careful watch out for the lemming rush off the cliff at the very end….
We can also use the Puerto Rico results to estimate how big Rush Limbaugh’s effects on the Dem primaries in PA and KY were. Rush doesn’t have any spanish translation so his delightful show is not heard in PR. 5% of Hillary’s voters from PR said they’d not be happy with her as nominee. However, in Penn, 20% said they’d not be happy with her as nominee and the number was only slightly smaller in KY. Does this mean that 14-15% of Hillary’s vote in ALL RECENT primaries is Republican troublemakers who have NO intent on voting for her ever again? I rest my case.
Obviously, you are an Obama voter engaging in wishful thinking.
Likely, the Puerto Rico vote shows how weak Obama is among Hispanic voters. A fact that will likely mean that McCain will be able and put in play many Southwestern states that Clinton would have easily won.
Waaaahhhh! Poor little Clinton shill doesn’t like the numbers.
Waaaaah poor little Amy her boy can’t get the 17 Million voters who preferred Clinton. And he never will.
Waaahhhhh! Poor little Obamabutt doesn’t like him being behind in the popular vote and having to once again rely on corrupt actions by the DNC to maintain the pretense he is a viable candidate.
If the DNC continues on its suicidal course and gives Obama the nomination, it will be a rude awakening in the GE when you thugs don’t get to “estimate” anything or use physical force as you did to get your paltry little wins in caucus or Republican states.
Waaah! Poor little MessyMarcy is convinced by inane and utterly fraudulent popular vote arguments which not even the slavishly obsequious MSM believes. It relies on Obama getting ZERO votes in MI, it relies on pretending several caucus states simply don’t exist. I doubt even Hillary buys her own BS sometimes!
Explain to me then how did the DNC give him delegates from MI ( Uncommitted) and took Hillary’s and gave them to him if the votes in MI don’t count…..What are you a ….totally idoit?
Wahhhh, poor little Obamabot — I’m a Latina, and believe this… BO is WILL NOT GET OUR VOTE! N E V E R !!!! We’re the swing bloc in this election, and they will vote McCain — Wahhhhh, poor, little Amy, she’s going to be crying a river in November with her college and black buds who thought that THREATS was the way to go. Wahhhhhh
Wahhhh, poor little Obamabot — I’m a Latina, and believe this… BO WILL NOT GET OUR VOTE! N E V E R !!!! We’re the swing bloc in this election, and they will vote McCain — Wahhhhh, poor, little Amy, she’s going to be crying a river in November with her college and black buds who thought that THREATS was the way to go. Wahhhhhh
It’s well-known that Mccain would far rather campaign against HRC than Obama. Republicans have been working overtime to get her the nomination.
Not true. They know Clinton is a more qualified candidate with better character. If not, they’d have unleashed their arsenal of Obama failings info full force by now.
So many people who believe in Father Christmas here! Reality must hurt! Clinton ain’t the better candidate. If she were, she would have won. I’m using winning delegates and elections as a proxy for quality of the candidates. It was close, but not cigar.
Sadly, it will be “not close, no cigar” for you Obots in the fall when McCain hands Obambi his ass.
Hillary or McCain 08!
Amy — There is no way that a man who hates this country and a majority of its citizens is going to be president. His negatives go up daily. The Republicans are going to destroy the phoney Obama and I will watch with glee.
Amy — go away and grow up — Hillary won the popular and all your guy did was win some little caucuses–where he could bus people in and where about 4% of people showed up. Hillary won all the Industrial States. You wanted Obama — you got him. Don’t think you are going to come in here and change any minds. 33% of Democrats will not vote for Obama. But then he says he can win without us. What an arrogant fool he is.
Well, Clinton won the popular vote as long as you throw a bunch of votes away. If you count them all, she didn’t.
It’s irrelevant in any case. That’s not how the primaries are decided. HRC’s on this ‘popular’ kick out of desperation.
Amy — go away and grow up — Hillary won the popular vote and all your guy did was win some little caucuses–where he could bus people in and where about 4% of people showed up. Hillary won all the Industrial States. You wanted Obama — you got him. Don’t think you are going to come in here and change any minds. 33% of Democrats will not vote for Obama. But then he says he can win without us. What an arrogant fool he is.
I thought you airheads were paid by BO to be nice to us, what happened?! Your Fearless leader, Barney Fife, was on the campaign trail today playing nice with Hillary. So, so glad you and your homies keep exposing him for the LIAR and FAKE that he is.
Get a clue.
Amy,
Winning delegates is not analogous to character. If you are truly pro Obama, why not answer those who doubt him honestly. Regardless of delegates, he is considered amoral, lacking character, dubious, untrustworthy, condescending, cocky, sneaky and corrupt. Please answer how you are comfortable with the company he keeps….Ayers, Dorhn, Wright, Pfeger, etc. etc.(the list includes communists, terrorists, and many other anti american people). If you would like to engage in a serious debate of who is the better candidate you must start by proving that his entire past is a)proof of good character and judgment or b) able to excused. EXPLAIN YOUR POSITION PLEASE.
Clinton ain’t the better candidate. If she were, she would have won.
Uh huh. I guess we know where you stand on Bush. Like Obama, he couldn’t pull the popular vote, but his puppet masters declared him the winner. So I guess, since he “won,” he was the better candidate in both 2000 and 2004. If you think Bush was the better candidate, I guess you’ll be happy with McCain.
Of course, that’s true, Amy. Obviously. Better qualified candidate always wins.
Like George Bush. Both of them.
And all the other Repub presidents we’ve had over the last sixty years. Or hundred years.
Brilliant! Shows the superior intelligence of the Obama people.
Riverdaughter of The Confluence has come up with a new party. PUMA.
P=Party
U=Unity
M=My
A=Ass
I’m in.
Riiiight. Because THAT’S what the RNC wants - a better, more qualified candidate campaigning against them. Yep, that’s gotta be the reason for Republicans to vote in a Democratic Party primary.
It certainly wouldn’t be that the RNC/Limbaugh would like to see the candidate that more Republicans dislike in the race, would it?
You Obamabutts must be scared spitless to be using the words “better, more qualified” in your comments. Here’s a clue — we don’t drink koolaid over here at NoQuarter, so when you say “better, more qualified,” Hillary comes to mind. If you want us to think of Obama, you need to use the words “unqualified and unelectable.”
It’s not like Republicans are voting for HRC in the primaries because they think she has a better chance of winning, is it?
The RNC would *love* to see Clinton in the race against McCain. They’d have a much better chance of winning in that case.
LOL!!! so true, so true! BTW — why isn’t Amy & Co. at HuffPo or DK, right now? Arent’ they having pizza and a keg for their premature Inaugural Ball? Or is it the Coronation Ball?
That’s why barack wanted “Dems for a day” in the purple and red states, eh?
Mr.Murder
“Dems for a day” is something a kin to paying on tueday for a hamburger today me thinks.
BO = Wimpy? Is the DNC Oliveoil?
Aren’t the DNC more like Bluto? They’re idiotic, clueless, and they try to beat the crap out of anyone who disagrees with them.
His “Dem for a Day” buddy? Yeah, they speak to the same crowds in Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Kentucky, don’t you think? Obama is saving big John a lot of time and money campaigning. Only Oblahblah is going to NEED TO CAMPAIGN in all 57 STATES …. hahahahahahaha …. just to win, in say, two?
Your argument only improves the point that voters are less and less content with BO as the nominee. BO’s own voters are experiencing buyer’s remorse and I would be curious as to the % of voters that will never vote for him again (dem , ind , or repub).
Right buyers remorse is already setting in. If I hear take a chance on hope one more time I am gonna puke.
Amy - “14-15% of Hillary’s vote in ALL RECENT primaries is Republican troublemakers” ?? According to what?
Happy to oblige. This is directly taken from TheField, from Rural Votes
And this is the same way the DNC “guessed” at the number of Hillary’s Michigan delegates they needed to award Obama.
What you should be concerning yourself with is the number of Hillary’s voters who say they will never vote for Obama. That percentage seems to be increasing with every contest.
Hillary or McCain ‘08.
messymarch — Hillary or McCain there is no other option. Sent my change of registration form in today. I had a little bomb fire with my old Democratic Registration card.
I think the only Hillary fans who populate the most extreme echo chambers of the internet won’t vote Obama. Most will because the choice of McCain is just too scary. Hillary will vote for Obama, as will “interns” Clinton. The few 100 who repeatedly post on here and on that pornographer Taylor Marsh’s site, who cares who they vote? Ain’t gonna make no difference. A daily KOS diarist noted that there were just a few 100 posters on Hillaryis44 since the start of the year, each posting on average several 100 times, sometimes with different names. Who cares?
Surprises await the ignorant and most childlike among you. No caucuses in November. When you start to see that there is a substantial EARLY VOTE by mail … read that as the old and female who don’t want to be pushed around at the polls. Those numbers will not bode well for boychick …. you can take that to the bank sweetie.
Most will because the choice of McCain is just too scary.
au contraire Amy. First off, it’s one big Echo Chamber. Second lurking is not 100 people. and it is closer to 17.5 million people. Who cares?
I mean don’t trouble yourself looking at facts. That requires to much effort on your part since you have so readily given up your ability to think critically.
All the best to you and yours who as you say don’t care.
Dear Amy, or Samantha Power, or Cruella deVille or whoever you are,
As a Hillary supporter, I NOW think it would be the greatest fun on earth if Obama-the-uniter was FORCED to put our Hillary on his ticket. God, the sight of all of you Clinton haters vomiting in your iced lattes is almost too hilarious to even fantasize about. I’m laughing so hard about that prospect that tears are streaming down my face! And you’d have to be nice to BILL, TOO!! God, it’d be too funny!!!!!
Why would CNN pay for a poll asking a candidate’s own voters if they would not be happy with that candidate. You make no sense at all. I believe they ask what % of voters would be happy if she weren’t the nominee. As you well know, the % of Hillary voters willing to vote for Obama is decreasing with each subsequent primary.
Amy — then why in the HELL is BO always courting Republicans? He’s the one so proud to announce how the Republicans are always whispering in his ear… that they love him, and are supporting him. Keep your stories straight.
When Clinton voters were asked about a general election scenario, 98% said that they would ONLY be satisfied with Clinton on the ticket.
That’s funny. Last I heard, Clinton does well in closed primaries where only registered Democrats can vote. Let me guess… you listen to the fat bastard’s show religiously.
Sorry, Amy.
Ed Rendell already said that 40% of the Republican crossovers were actually WOMEN choosing to vote FOR Hillary.
You won’t get them in November.
Barak Obama will win Illinois, and that’s it.
Mary I thought it was fitting that Obama was hanging with McGovern yesterday. He was the biggest loser the Democrats ever put up. He only won Massachusetts. Landslide loser 72 and landslide loser 08.
Like most of the time, he was talking out his ass with absolutely no backup whatever. I remember when he was “debating” a bunch of College kids. He was just making stuff up. Just like that statistic. He’s a better sports commentator than a Gov.
Only he wins his elections without cheating.
Amy — quick, hurry, you better warn BO about Rendell — he is on his short list for VP.
Now you at the edge of your known universe Amy.
Thanks for the chuckle anyway.
mmm debating…seems to me BO has a debating problem.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/Jun01.html
Jun. 01 Electoral Votes:
Clinton 327 McCain 194 Ties 17
And how about, in the interest of fairness, the other stat?
Obama 276 McCain 238.
In other words, both win. But lest you get too excited, a bounce for candidates who are about to call it a day has often been seen in primary polling over the last several electoral cycles.
HA HA HA HA
AMY U MAKE MY ASS LAUGH
It is too funny — an Obamabutt talking “fairness.” And right after stealing delegates, too. That’s almost as funny as Dean pretending to finally notice the sexism.
Ha ha ha. So let me ask you something. In law, the injured party has the right to appeal. In this case, it was the Michigan Democratic Party (not the voters) which was the injured party. So, given that they came up with the solution to their flawed primary which was endorsed by the RBC on saturday, exactly how is Clinton going to appeal this? I laughed when Sen Levin called Harold Ickes on “how exactly do you have a fair reflection of a flawed primary”. Smackdown! This theft dog ain’t gonna hunt.
What are you doing here Amy — you aren’t going to get any converts here. His Minister thinks it was right to attack us on 9/11, his pal Ayers bombed this country and thinks he should have used more bombs, his pal Louis Farahkan is a noted anti-semite and a black muslim and now we hear his wife hates whitey?
I’m just having fun rattling the bars!
After his leghumping media turn on him, when/if he is nominated via the Dean/Brazile Affirmative Acting Pimp, he’ll be lucky to get Illinois.
Hard lessons ahead for the Cult, hard, hard lessons.
Spot on! And, one of them is: Don’t vote for a Cult leader created by a P.R. firm. Lesson #1) Vote with your principles and for the candidate with the principles that are best for this country — NOT for a a fake, Iconic Man. Lesson #2) Kids should NOT be allowed to pick our President unless they are over 21 or have served their country in service. Lesson #3) Grown-up Adults like Nancy Pelosi, Claire McCaskill, Maria Shriver, Greg Craig, Tweety Matthews and Mike Barnacle– please, you too, MUST GROW UP and STOP taking orders from your kids of who to vote for.
He will not survive the actual vetting he will finally receive, if you back him, does that mean you lack morals, courage, and character as well? EXPLAIN why you think his past is worthy of trust.
After Saturday, I’m convinced that the DNC will do anything they have to do to hand this thing to Obama. Hillary has been villified, minimized, ignored and denied. I’m sick of Howard Dean and all his ilk and I wish they would go far and stay long!
I love Hillary and Bill just like I love Ted Kennedy. I didn’t listen to Ted when he told me to vote for obama and I won’t listen to Hillary if she does either.
Winning in November is going to involve Obama eating several large stinky servings of humble pie and I don’t think he has the stomach for it. That dude is a hot house flower if I ever saw one.
Great analogy!! I agree!
Hot house flower who is winning and lets face it won!
I will not accept Obama as “My” candidate! I am holding out hope that Hillary can still pull this off but I am also a realist and I do not see how she can, given the Machine that has been employed against her!
If she endorses Obama, I will lose alot of respect for her. I am disgusted at what has been done to her and what was done to the chances of a “Great” woman to finally be in a position to break the so called “Glass Ceiling”.
I am not a woman. I can never understand what it meant to women to finally be within reach of the WhiteHouse. My wife and 3 daughters have never participated in the political process. This was the first time I saw them so active in politics. Never again they tell me. Never again will they pust trust in ANY democrate. They have been stung by what Obama and his Idiot circus have done.
I WILL not vote for this Man! I don’t care who endorses this man. I will not do it. I have spent too much time researching this man. I KNOW what he is!
It does not matter if Jeebus endorsed him! NEVER!
According to Fox News, Hillary is not going to concede the race on Wednesday. Her staff is invited to a party in NY, and if they prefer they can take a short vacation while they shift gears for the upcoming floor fight in August. I say go all the way Hillary! We ARE behind you! 17 million strong!
Of course she is not going to concede. The trolls have been spreading misinformation to try and keep voter turnout down in the remaining two states and also to fuck with our heads. Too bad trolls, we are on to you as always.
No, she’s not going to concede. This just in from Rezkowatch:
You are Asian, and like many Hispanics, you guys wouldn’t vote for an African American anyway. Many African Americans believe Asians are sometimes even more racist than whites. So it comes as no surprise you will never vote for the most qualified candidate anyway.
Black people are voting for Obama because