Delicious Dissent
By PaganPower on June 5, 2008 at 6:55 AM in Barack Obama, Democrats, John McCain, PUMA, Riverdaughter, Roger Simon, Uppity Woman
Amid all the calls for party unity from the same folks that brought you a very undemocratic solution to Michigan and Florida, a new voice is beginning to be spoken. Loudly. And from many directions.
One website is already offering Democrats for McCain bumper stickers. Their motto is: You only thought we were bitter before!
And then there is the wonderful new creation from Riverdaughter at The Confluence.
The Puma Party. Party Unity My Ass
The action plan for PUMAs is:
1.) Dissociate yourself from the party. Tell them you will not be a party to its self destructive behavior.
2.) Reflect on your values. Read the credo at the top of this site and create at better one. Keep the language general and inclusive. Concentrate on universal truths and beliefs. Avoid wordsmithing.
3.) Stick together. We are powerful as a unit if we do not fall victim to the psychological warfare that is about to be directed at us. Turn off the media. Avoid conversations with trolls. Stand firm and do not yield.
4.) Remember that there is a better alternative. Hillary Clinton is the strongest candidate for the party and the nation. She has a lot of support out there. The nation will rally around her if we let them know we are not giving in. We must not let her concede one inch. Stand firm. Send her your good thoughts. Send her money. Do not give up.
5.) Spread the word.
And finally the fine folks at Democratic No More have began a campaign called Say Goodbye. It is a wonderful way to express to the rest of the country that you have had it with the Democratic Party and are not looking back. So please take the time to sign up.
One of my absolute favorite bloggers Uppity Woman says it best in her latest blog: Delusional Barack Obama. 
Because as I mentioned earlier in Screw You Roger Simon!, the Obama camp thinks we are all little sheep that will come running back to the fold. It is as if the anointed one really does believe that his very word is all we have been waiting to hear. According to them Obama isn’t even going to waste his time working for our votes. He sincerely believes we will follow him like the rest of his Cult. Delusional is Right Uppity. No other word even comes close.
Except perhaps Psychopath.
Check out PUMApac
Go PUMA
Payback time for being called a “fuckwad” and every other profane name, in the democratic blogs.
Love the Pink Puma.
That’s my party, now!
I want a black and Pink Puma T shirt.
Where can I buy one?
Ditto that…..I’m cutting a stencil to put that on T-shirts for me and my daughter….I’m a Clinton Democrat and until August Support her. If Obama the fascist is still standing I’ll vote McCain as an independent…
**** OBAMA IS UNFIT FOR ANY ELECTIVE OFFICE ****
amen to that — Working Class. I respect Hillary’s decision but it does not and never will effect my decision. If I had been treated like Hillary was by the Demonazi Party I would have walked and taken my delegates with me. I would not have allowed Nancy and Howard to talk down to me like that.
I was a Hillary Precinct Captain for the last year and a half. She was in my thoughts 24/7 — but I always kept in the back of my mind that I would not vote for Obama under any circumstances. No matter how much the media or the Democratic Party pushed him. I will be a Democrat for McCain (although I just switched to Independent) because he stands for whats right about this country. He approaches the job with humility and a love for this nation that Obama couldn’t even begin to understand.
I believe that McCain is starting to come across more as a moderate which will help pry alot of people from our party. God bless him and keep him well. I just hope the media starts doing its job and that the powers that be have not anointed Obama.
You guys are absolute morons. Hope your kids get drafted into the war and your pasty white asses are unemployed.
As proven by The Daily Howler, McCain only wants to stay in Iraq “for 100 years” if no soldiers are being wounded or killed, citing as analogy our presence in South Kroea. So your argument is phony right there.
And as for the economy, you might call McCain a Bush clone on that, but at least Bush manage to create a few million jobs, while Obama not only left his constituents in the poverty in which he found them, but actually defended his district’s slumlords against criminal prosecution so that they could make that poverty WORSE.
I have opposed this war from the beginning. You sound like the kind of idiot who believes Obama intends to leave Iraq. Dream ON! His buddies Rezko, Khaladi and Auchi have been cleaning up stealing millions of taxpayer dollars on this war. He is not going to do a damned thing. He has had his advisors state that he does not mean that whole 16 months thing.
By the way, my son’s best friend lost his eye, one arm and the use of one leg in the war. Another close friend died. A third friend has been shot twice. You see poor people know what this is really all about.
I believe some with a little backbone stands a better chance of keeping those who are there safe. No one in either party has demostrated any inclination of ending this war. Talk is cheap. I want someone who will stand up for those who are there. That is not someone who votes present every time a controversial issue comes along.
So, shame on you. You are dispicable.
Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a winner! You are SO right. In fact, not only does he have no intention of ending that war, but he plans on aiming a few guns at Israel.
Hi Susan and Larry and all the great people that contribute with their revealing and courageous articles to this website.
It was hard to fix it Susan..but as I promised you here I am, ready to keep fighting! And my donation to this great website, that had ‘the courage to cover’ with dignity these primaries!
Well guess all of you have received the same invitation, but sorry this time I cannot suppor Sen Rodham on this, asking me to support Sen Obama.
Please excuse me if I used ‘capital letters’ won’t happen again, ummm unless they make me say ‘it loud and clear’ nowayobama! I don’t know but I feel that we are living in old communist Germany, and we are the ones standing alone fighting for justice and liberty! DNC=DICTATORSHIP
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> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 01:51:16 -0400
> From: info@hillaryclinton.com
> To: xxxxxx@hotmail.com
> Subject: I want you to know
> >
>
> Dear Milly,
>
> I wanted you to be one of the first to know: on Saturday, I will hold an event in Washington D.C. to thank everyone who has supported my campaign. Over the course of the last 16 months, I have been privileged and touched to witness the incredible dedication and sacrifice of so many people working for our campaign. Every minute you put into helping us win, every dollar you gave to keep up the fight meant more to me than I can ever possibly tell you.
>
> On Saturday, I will extend my congratulations to Senator Obama and my support for his candidacy. This has been a long and hard-fought campaign, but as I have always said, my differences with Senator Obama are small compared to the differences we have with Senator McCain and the Republicans.
>
> I have said throughout the campaign that I would strongly support Senator Obama if he were the Democratic Party’s nominee, and I intend to deliver on that promise.
………..
AND HERE MY REPLY TO:
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 01:51:16 -0400
> From: info@hillaryclinton.com
> To: xxxxxx@hotmail.com
> Subject: I want you to know
> >
>
> Dear Milly,
>
> I wanted you to be one of the first to know: on Saturday, I will hold an event in Washington D.C. to thank everyone who has supported my campaign. Over the course of the last 16 months, I have been privileged and touched to witness the incredible dedication and sacrifice of so many people working for our campaign. Every minute you put into helping us win, every dollar you gave to keep up the fight meant more to me than I can ever possibly tell you.
>
> On Saturday, I will extend my congratulations to Senator Obama and my support for his candidacy. This has been a long and hard-fought campaign, but as I have always said, my differences with Senator Obama are small compared to the differences we have with Senator McCain and the Republicans.
AND BELOW MY REPLY:
I AM SORRY SEN RODHAM, I CANNOT SUPPORT SEN OBAMA, THAT MAN IS NOT QUALIFIED FOR THE PRESIDENCY. IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO PUT IN THE WHITE HOUSE THE BEST QUALIFIED PERSON AND THAT IS YOU. I DO NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW THE MISTAKE THE DNC HAS DONE WITH THEIR TRICKS TO TAKE YOU OUT OF THE RACE. AND I FELT THAT INJUSTICE DONE TO YOU HAS BEEN DONE TO THOSE 18 MILLIONS PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR YOU.
IF THIS WAS ABOUT TO VOTE FOR WHOEVER THE DNC WANTS FOR CANDIDATE, I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A DEMOCRAT, BUT SADLY THERE IS DNC ANYMORE, THE DNCE IS A CORRUPT PARTY.
IF THEY FORCED YOU TO FOLLOW ORDERS, THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO ME. I WON’T NEVER VOTE FOR THAT MAN, AND TO WAIT REPUBLICANS FIND OUT WITH PRODUCED EVIDENCE THAT HE IS A CRIMINAL, IT IS A SHAME FROM THE PART OF THE DNC TO ASK US TO VOTE FOR A DELINQUENT. THAT’S DISGUSTING. NO MONEY FROM ME, NO SUPPORT, WHEN THE DNC COMES TO ITS SENSES I WILL REVISE MY DECISION TO CONTRIBUTE FOR THE PARTY AGAIN, ONCE YOU PUT SEN RODHAM AS THE NOMINEE, SHE WON AND YOU KNOW IT.
NO WAY YOU WILL CONVINCE ME WITH ”THE FALSE MESSAGE OF UNITY”, YOU THE DNC WERE THE FIRST ONE WHO DID NOT PLAY FAIR BY STEALING FL AND MI VOTES FROM SEN RODHAM, AND WITH ‘THAT’ YOU CREATED DIVISION. WE ARE HURT, THAT’S NOT EASY TO HEAL. I PREFER TO HAVE A REPUBLICAN THAN TO HAVE ‘A TERRORIST AND CORRUPT POLITICIAN FROM CHICAGO’. WHAT? TO WAIT WHEN HE IS SWORN AND THEN REVEAL ALL THE SCANDALS THAT ARE IN ‘HOLD’, TO ASK HIM TO RESIGN AND HAVE THE PEOPLE AGAIN GO THROUGH THAT DISGUSTING SCENE. COME ON, YOU KNOW ALL ABOUT THIS MAN, DON’T TRY TO FOOL THE PEOPLE. I DON’T CARE IF THE MEDIA WON’T COVER IT, TO HAVE HIM AS THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, FOR MCCAIN TO DEFEAT HIM ONCE ALL THE ‘DIRT’ COMES OUT.
NO, YOU ACT WITH RESPECT TOWARDS THE VOTERS AND REMOVE THAT MAN FROM POLITICS, SEND HIM TO AFRICA, HIS MAJOR INTEREST IS AFRICA, WELL SEND HIM TO AFRICA, THIS IS THE USA AND WE NEED A PRESIDENT CONCENTRATED IN OUR GREAT NATION NEEDS RIGHT NOW! AFRICA HAS TO GET RID OF THE BUNCH OF CORRUPTS THAT ARE RUNNING THAT GREAT CONTINENT. BUT THAT IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY, THE PEOPLE FROM AFRICA HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THEY FREEDOM AND JUSTICE, THE ALREADY RECEIVE AID, HELP THROUGH MANY ORGANIZATIONS, AND WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THAT HELP OR AID GOES? TO THE CORRUPT POLITICIANS. STOP WITH AFRICA BEING A VICTIM, THEY CAN FIGHT TOO THE SAME WAY WE FOUGHT IN THIS NATION TO BE A ‘REPUBLIC’ TAKING OUR OWN DECISIONS, WE ARE FIGHTERS, AND SEN RODHAM IS ‘A GREAT FIGHTER AND INSPIRATIONAL WOMAN’ AND YOU WANT TO END WITH HER POLITICAL CAREER, YOU DNC DO NOT DESERVE HER!
PUT THAT MAN SEN OBAMA, UNDER INVESTIGATION, AND BE FAIR WITH THE VOTERS. WITH ALL THOSE RECORDS IN CHICAGO AND ALL THE DISGUSTING THINGS THIS MAN SEEMS TO HAVE INVOLVED, AND THE DNC DOES NOT WANT TO INVESTIGATE, HOW I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR WHATEVER THE DNC TELLS ME TO VOTE AND SUPPORT, YOU ARE NOT A DICTATOR, JUST A PARTY WITH PUBLIC SERVANTS. THOSE 18 MILLIONS VOTERS ARE FOR SEN RODHAM, SHE WORKED HARD AND EARNED IT!
THE COMMITMENT FROM SEN RODHAM IS WITH ‘US’ THOSE 18 MILLIONS THAT VOTED FOR HER, NOT WITH THE DNC THAT HAS TREATED HER LIKE TRASH!
GO INDEPENDENT HILLARY, AND YOU CAN COUNT ON ME AND MY MONEY, NO WAY I CAN STAND THE DNC NOW, AFTER SEEING THE WAY THEY TREATED YOU AND US THOSE WHO FIERCELY HAVE SUPPORTED THE BEST CANDIDATE IN YEARS TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, AND THE DNC WANTS FOR SOME WEIRD REASON A ‘DELINQUENT THAT I DO NOT KNOW HOW HE GOT INTO POLITICS’, THIS MAN, SEN OBAMA IS LIKE HAVING A TERRORIST IN DISGUISE WITH HIS SMOOTH PERSONALITY AND FRIENDLY SMILE TO PLAY HIS ROLE AS ‘THAT WILL BE THE WAY TO GAIN THEIR CONFIDENCE, ONCE WE HAVE “THAT” WE WILL GET THE POWER OF THE WHITE HOUSE’, AND THEN YOU-DNC- WILL SEE THAT YOU WERE THE ONES TO BLAME FOR ALLOWING A TERRORIST TAKING THE WHITE HOUSE, IN YOUR OWN FACE, ONLY ‘WITH WORDS AND SMILING’ AND GETTING ALONG WITH REP AND DEM. SORRY I AM NOT THAT BLIND AND STUPID YET.
DON’T DARE TO SEND ME ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH GIVING SUPPORT TO THAT ‘DELINQUENT’, FOR GOD SAKES THIS IS THE USA, NOT AFRICA, WERE ‘WHOEVER PEOPLE WITH MONEY’ CAN DECLARE THEMSELVES ‘KINGS’ OR ‘PRESIDENTS’. THIS PRIMARIES WERE BOUGHT AND MANIPULATED FOR THIS MAN AND HIS SUPPORTERS.
I WILL SUPPORT ONLY SEN RODHAM AS PRESIDENT, NOT VP EITHER. LET’S WAIT AND WE WILL SEE ALL THE DIRTY COMING OUT, THEN SEND ME A NEW INVITATION THIS TIME TO SUPPORT THE REAL NOMINEE, AND THAT IS SEN RODHAM!
THANKS
Milly,
Very well written. I am behind you all the way!!
Hey Milli,
I think you may have accidentally spilled beer on your caps lock.
Ooooo, terrorists! Terrorists are everywhere. They are setting on the boarders, and the minute W is out of office they are going to get me! OOOOOOO help me! Heeeeelp meeeeeee!
What a sore loser you are.
It will only hurt till November 5!
Hi Larry….thanks very much for your blog here.
I’m a democrat of 30 years. The 2000 election, the current economic state and the Iraq war remains the defining moments in my recent political life.
And I must admit that the democrats have shown little or no spine in any of the above. The only spine they have shown is that in pushing Hillary and the Clintons (remember peace and prosperity in the 90’s) down a flight of stairs?
Why? I can only surmise that they believe that they, as individuals and a group, will have much more power pulling the strings on a very inexperienced Obama from behind the scenes.
What does that now tell me about my party?
They are far more interested in their own political advancements than they are of solving this country’s problems.
With Hillary out, I am undecided for the fall election at this time…..but I am leaning McCain based on his long past record of standing up against his own party, when he felt he was right.
see ya
Why don’t you just vote for Bob Barr with the disruntled Republicans? At least Barr is against the war.
John Mc Cain has stopped rebelling against his party so that he could receive his party’s nomination, and now surrounds himself with the same group that has surrounded Bush.
Good Morning!
Obama, support him? Is that the question of the day?
Want my answer…………NO WAY IN HELL! Want the job done right VOTE HILLARY!
Hillary or McCain 08
hi the nana1
i just ordered my mccain lawn sign to stand up next to my hillary lawn sign
and a democrats for mccain bumpersticker from this website above
:0)
hillary or mccain 08!!
Okay so,
I was an Obama supporter, but I have been visiting this site for a couple of days now and I think I am coming around. There are a few things that have helped me see the light.
1)The existence of the damning tape. It is so obvious that this is real and not some kind of “sore loser” smear campaign. The fact that nobody has actually seen the tape just adds to its magic and mysticism.
2) I have also been persuaded by all of the happy positive Hillary supporters I have met on these comment forums. You seem like a very positive bunch of folk who would rather tout the great qualities of Hillary (my new candidate) then spend all day making up terrible mean spirited things to say about that other guy (I won’t even say his name because he is so evil).
3)I am into the whole whining and crying over my losses scene. I think people who say “man Up” or “grow a set of balls” are mysogynists. I believe I have every right to weep and throw a tantrum and I even bet Hillary is behaving the same way right now. I think my new friends on this board do a great job at showing that you don’t have to be tough or logical to win a campaign. We will take this thing to the heart of America and then to the whitehouse based solely on emotion. Then who will have the last laugh Mr. Obama/Jerk?
4)I really like that guy in the upper right hand corner’s haircut. Whenever I visit this page I think “where would you get a haircut like that?”
5)Most of all though the think that has brought me to my senses is this awesome video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UefSpWGD19k
You know it is the “Hillary 4 You and Me” one. Man that ROX MY SOX! I ripped that thing to my ipod. I really believe it shows the true nature of Hillary supporters (of which I now consider myself). Anyone who says this video is Gay is definitely a homophobe or a racist or both and has probably never even been in a Gay club EVAH!
So come on new friends! Lets take the whitehouse back for anti-abortion-war mongering-private healthcare lobbyist supporting republicans.
And just to show you I am serious I came up with a clever name for Obama: Ostinka!
Ostinka is a big jerk!
Clinton/Mccain 08
The only remaining question is, how badly will your guy screw up our chances in Congress?
>>> Whenever I visit this page I think “where would you get a haircut like that?”
Pete Rose’s barber!
God, who let the f**king russian in here?
That was very.. a…. smart, and… very… a, strategic. You know like one of those great russian chess players. hehe
At first you think the comment is gonna go one way, then BAM! You turn it into a bunch of Obumabull. excellent. Slomadanmoalickca would be proud of your conformity and inability for individual thought.
Yep, that was a smart one, it really was. You even gave Obuma a ruzksa name! How cute. You were made for each other.
So tell me, doesn’t Obumi make you feel at home again? You know, like your back in marxist commie land?
Comment by Gamzulatov | 2008-06-05 07:03:56
Do you really believe anyone on this board is trying to convince you? Do you really believe that anyone on this board gives a damn about you? LOL that just shows how arrogant you obamabites and your messiah really are.
Hillary or McCain 08!
HA!!! This had me LMAO after reading it. Thanks for a hilarious retort to a really weird website and idea in general. (where DO you get a haircut like that?)
I’m so bitter that I’ll vote for the guy who is an anathema to what I originally (supposedly) believed in. Yeah, that’s rational.
I can understand being upset, frustrated, and down about one’s candidate not winning, but this is a just sad. People calling Obama a fascist?! LOL!!! WTF is that all about?
I am a proud member of the PUMA Party. I do not know if I can ever go so far as to vote for a Republican but I do know that I cannot and will not vote for Obama. The Democratic Party I supported for over 40 years is no more. Perhaps it never was.
If you believe that Obama and the DNC as well as the Democratic Party Leadership with the overwhelming dishonesty of the media has gamed this primary from start to finish and then vote for Obama you are in effect saying that you will reward bad behavior.
Even the good Obama supporters, and I assume there must be a few here and there although I haven’t met any, should be appalled at what happened to MI and FL and most especially at the stealing of 4 Clinton delegates and giving them to Obama.
After all the talk of the “rulz” the Demcratic RBC “fulz” broke the rules right there on national teevee in front of God and everybody.(Of course your pinheaded media pundits are too stupid or too currupt or both to point that out to the public they are supporsed to inform.)
God help Democracy because the Democratic Party and the media sure as hell won’t.
I’m new to this blog. But I’m curious to know whether “PUMA” is somehow similar to “cougar”. I imagine that it describes someone who was once a “cougar”, but simply got older.
I got that association as well, which is why I am not so crazy about the acronym.
Its a pink panther, I bet if you did some research you will find it is own and operated by gay people. The pink panthers was a more extreme operative group during the 80’s. Kinda like the black panthers.
The official name is People United Means Action.
Join PUMA. Keep fighting.
And some are saying “Party Unity My Ass”
I thought it was Party Unity My Ass
Hey - I came up with the name as a joke on Riverdaughter’s blog that I was joining a new party called the PUMA party, and the brilliant Riverdaughter wrote this great post behind the idea. And it worked because it’s spreading!
It is
P arty
U nity
M y
A ss
And now the Brilliant Murphy from the Corrente Building made it into a 527 PAC org!!
Officially it’s:
P eople
U nited
M eans
A ction
So it’s both.
Together with Corbett’s Operation Turndown, we have the PUMAs, we have Democrats for McCain, see, I can’t vote for McCain - but I won’t be cajoled to voting for the 0bambi.
“A Party Held HOSTAGE: Michele Obama Wasn’t Alone in Her Hostility at the Rainbow/PUSH Conference in 2004–Protests Against Jesse Jackson, Threats Against Democrats/Kerry By Ministers in an Eerie Preview of the Rev. Wright Episode”
http://tinyurl.com/4jealx
PLEASE READ this whole piece!
We are in big trouble…find out why this Obama enabling is all about APPEASEMENT by the Democratic Party.
What I have found out is really disturbing!
Have women been thrown over out of a move to appease blacks? And these blacks aren’t even real Democrats??
Republican.
famuos black panther party line
the only plsce for a womwn in this movement is horizontal
famous black panther party line
the only position for a woman in this movement is horizontal
I’m with you guys. Count me in.
I am mystified at the arrogance of the ObamBam crowd!
Do they really believe that those of us that are angered at the way we have been Ridiculed, Taunted, Bullied, Spit on, Shit on, Harrassed, Ignored, Dismissed and Tossed aside by not only The DNC but by those Infantile Trolls that serve the Cult of Obama, will all come together and make nice?
The arrogance of this is stunning! The wounds are deep! The scars will never heal with some. The damage is done!
I had hoped that there was some way that “something” would derail this so-called movement. I had hoped that the party would come to their senses. I was wrong.
I know that some “TROLLS” will say I am bitter. No I am beyond bitter. I am angry!
I am angry that I have to step aside so that the powers that be can attempt to wipe away whatever guilt they have and RAM this Idiot down our Throats!
I am angry that I have to hear his code words about, “This Being Our Time”. I was not borne yesterday. I know what he means when he says that. This is affirmative action run amoke!
Call me racist all you want. I know what I am and a racist i am not. A realist I am. I fear we will “ALL” regret this day.
Obama and his crowd have set out to use his race from the very begining and now we are seeing the fruits of his labour. Either you vote for him or you are tarred with the label of being a bigot!
If his crowd believes we will all come together this November, they are fatally mistaken.
I penned a little ditty that sums it all up for me:
I’ve been cheated
Been mistreated
When will I be loved
I’ve been pushed down
I’ve been pushed ’round
When will I be loved
When I find a new man
That I want for mine
He always breaks my heart into
It happens every time
I’ve been made blue
I’ve been lied to
When will I be loved
When I find a new man
That I want for mine
He always breaks my heart into
It happens every time
Oh, I’ve been cheated
Been mistreated
When will I be loved
When will I be loved
linda!!! I also think your rockin rendition of YOURE NO GOOD fits Uhhbama well and the DNC RBC cabal also
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I just finished another one…. I tried to imagine how a certain someone feels right now.
I’ve been alone too long
Sitting by myself
I’m getting to old
To help myself
But I won’t be hangin round your door
Begging
No I won’t be hangin round
To feel the pain
And if you take my life in hand
And finally make me understand
It won’t do no good
You’ll just hurt my plan
And I won’t be hangin round your door
Begging
No I won’t be hangin rond
To feel the pain
Sometimes I think I can’t go on
And every day I live
Well it seems like my life’s unreal
Sometimes I think I won’t live too long
But I hope I’m wrong
That’s the way I feel
And I won’t be hangin round your door
Begging
No I won’t be hangin round
To steal a kiss
I won’t be hanging round your door
Begging
No i won’t be hangin round
To feel the pain
No I won’t be hangin round your door
Begging
Oh I won’t be hangin round
To feel the pain
You are the spoiled child who, when told they have to share their toy, decides to break it instead.
You are the person who sees being seen as ‘right’ as more important than being right.
You are the person who revels in doing damage, since you yourself are damaged.
Trapped in an echo chamber of your own making.
No longer will I support the Democratic Party! I will join each and every group to defeat Obama. The arrogance of Oblahblah and the DNC sickens me. Fall in line and support him?
No way, I’m stuck in line buying Arugula! And only have time to cast my vote Against this fraud.
Hillary/McCain
I have really had it with the Obamabots. I turn on Air America this morning (because there isn’t much else in terms of talk radio here) and the show’s host and callers are lecturing “these women” who voted for Hillary about how a.) if you don’t vote for Obama, you’ll lose your reproductive rights and b.) if McCain wins, your children will be drafted into war. I am sick of the threats and blackmail, and the fact that the threats are directed solely at “women” — as if only women or a certain subset of women are the only people who could conceivably feel this way — only makes it that much more disgusting. Plus, I think they are starting to believe in their own creation: this cartoon image of McCain that is increasingly distant from how most people see him.
I’d be more inclined to write-in or vote third party on principle, but if the purpose is to teach these wayward “progressives” a lesson and make sure Obama loses, and prevent such an inexperienced and unqualified candidate out of the White House, then voting for McCain would be the most direct way. I’m still not sure, but I’m leaning heavily in that direction. McCain would be smart to tack to the center and promise to tackle climate change, have a smart energy policy and appoint neutral O’Connor-like justices.
I just laugh when told a vote for McCain will endanger womans’ reproductive rights. Let all the unapreciative young women learn to go out and organize to win them back.
Right on, Kickass Old Lady. I am 62 and my reproductive days are over. If Roe gets over turned it won’t affect me any lomnger. let those young kids go out and fight for it like I had to. That tired old line is not going to scare me into voting for the most inexperienced candidate ever.
Ditto i am a 66 year old and who cares anymore…..nothing scares me at this age……I will vote republican….
I agree with you ladies, although I am 26 years old, if R v. W gets overturned, too bad. My mom (about your age) had to fight the good fight, while many of my friends sit on their laurels, explaining how they don’t believe in abortion but yes, they go to Planned Parenthood to get their birth control pills. The scare tactics are empty…I’m voting McCain all the way.
Excuse me,
I don’t mind if you vote for McCain… but this is the most self-centered thing I’ve ever heard. What if your parents had told you, “Sorry, I’m old, doesn’t affect me anymore, you’ll have to go re-fight WW2 again”, hmm? Are you really so calloused that you’d want your daughters, and their daughters to have to live through a second age of backalley coathanger abortions?
Is this really what it’s come to?
The simple fact is that Roe V. Wade will NOT be overturned under McCain. Congress will not approve any Supreme Court appointment that favors overturning it.
So long as Congress remains Democratic, yes. But I’m not about to start making predictions for how Congress is going to look after the 2010 elections, and I’d prefer not to even set up the possibility of that situation.
However, that’s not the point. I posted because I am quite frankly shocked that anyone could so openly claim their willingness to condemn the next several generations of women out of spite.
You are right about one thing, though; the voting in this primary was largely Old vs Young, but do you know what? It happens. Every few decades, in fact. You did it to your parents and grandparents, as you voted in candidates that reflected your worldview, and now your children and grandchildren are doing it to you. Just as my children and grandchildren will eventually do.
This entire primary, I’ve had Bob Dylan stuck in my head.
“Oh the times, they are a-changin’”
(We’ll gloss over the fact that my generation lacks a good Dylan analogue. It’s incredibly sad.
)
Oh really, congress won’t approve?
Do you know how many conservative anti abortion democrats are in the Senate? Quite a few and more on the way in 2008
What you should really worry about though is McCains stance on equal pay for women, he doesn’t believe in it, he voted against it.
So go tell your daughters you voted for a man who thinks they are worth less then a man because you didn’t get your way..yeah, that’ll teach the DNC
Hey thanks for your permission. That’s very Marxist of you.
ditto. the roe overturning bs is just bs. the draft bs is just bs. but if either were to come to pass, i’d just tell those idiots that they caused it.
screw ‘em. don’t need roe any more and everyone i know is too old to be drafted. we worked for civil rights and women’s rights and the end to the draft. if they screw it up, they can fix it.
will be voting mccain. just staying home or voting nader or whoever makes a statement, but voting mccain raises the number obambi needs to steal. if the number is high enough, he won’t be able to get away with stealing it.
This sense of resentment towards the next generation really saddens me. It’s our job to fight to make sure the next generation doesn’t go through the same hardships that we did. It would be irresponsible of us to make them fight the same issues we had to fight.
uhmm Im younger than Uhhhbama but his BOTS told all of us to get out of the way it was theirs now
so take it and manage it and fund it and qork your axx off for it yourself..
hope after 20 yrs of that some newbie doenst come kick you to the curb and tell you your day is over it would be karmic wouldnt it
Hm, I’m an American living abroad and I’m oddly fascinated with the cut off your nose to spite your face attitude displayed here.
Roe v. Wade, Gay Marriage and other liberal causes are larger than just candidates and that’s why we try to vote on issues.
To say that you don’t care if young women have the rights you fought for is incredibly short sighted. We’re progressives and how are we supposed to make any progress if we’re constantly refighting old battles? Universal health care is what we should be fighting for next not trying to regain ground that we managed 30 years ago.
Admittedly I’ve got a little distance from all of this from living abroad so I’m not as emotionally connected to the primary process but when people from No Quarter talk about how rude Obama supporters were by calling them Obamabots or some other not so clever nickname it makes me cringe.
I’d ask anyone here that speaks with so much vitriol about Obama that they’d not vote for him, or forehead slappingly, McCain, spend a week away from the computer and the media surrounding all of this and gain a little perspective. Obama is a good candidate with decent experience and an okay human being. Is he perfect? Absolutely not. Will he make a good president? Yes, most likely.
we’re not making them, asshole. it’s their choice. if they support obambi, they made that choice. we’re not going to elect a fascist out of a trumped up claim that not doing so will undo roe. 1) it won’t; and 2) if you don’t want to risk it, don’t nominate obambi, the unelectable.
And a smart woman like Olympia Snowe or Sarah Palin for VP would help, too.
Justin–If I could do it after voting Democratic for 44 years — you can do it too. Lets all be Republicans for a Day.
You would actually vote for John McCain??? You people have gone completely over the edge. Sit back. Take a few deep breaths. And keep in mind that a lot of Republicans—for wildly divergent reasons—don’t even want McCain in the White House. Unbelievable. You think Hillary wants McCain in the White House? Think, people. Think back to before you decided Obama was the biggest threat to . . . whatever. Think about the two parties’ platforms, views, ideals. McCain is the default candidate from a weak and crazy field of Republicans. You can’t possibly be serious.
This should terrify you Obama zealots. We are, for the most part, long term Democrats and we consider Obama and his associates unacceptable. And though we here aren’t too many, we are representative of many, many more Democrats.
You must think us completely ignorant of politics. The reasons some Republicans are hesitant about McCain are the reasons that we find him semi-tolerable. Don’t forget, just four years ago, John Kerry asked him to run as his vice-president.
Exactly, the far-right repubs can’t stand McCain, so that make the pill easier to swallow.
Hell! If Kerry thought he was ok to offer him the VP, then he can’t be all that bad ‘eh
Wow, great minds do think alike!
Keep on drinking that Obama Kool Aid just like that other Jim Jones Party drank the Jones Kool Aid and you will go over that provrbial cliff just like they did.
I don’t vote for Marxists. So that leaves John McCain.
Last time I looked this was still a democracy and I can vote for whoever I want and whoever I think is the better candidate. And that is McCain. After 43 years as a registered Democrat and voting for every weak-assed Democratic nominee the DNC tossed my way, I just can’t vote for this latest and the worst version of a DNC that so out of touch with my values. McCain is a moderate and I can live with that. LIVE WITH IT. This is what the face of Obama’s new coalition looks like. It is a coaltion without me and many like me. GET USED TO IT. ’cause I ain’t coming back!!!!!!!! EVER
bert — ditto
I honestly believe the Clintons will vote for McCain rather than bambi the slimeball…..I will!!!
american — A couple of months ago Bill Clinton said there are two people who loves this country and would make great leaders, my wife and John McCain.
american — A couple of months ago Bill Clinton said there are two people who love this country and would make great leaders, my wife and John McCain.
And Bill Clinton is the smartest and most savvy pol and person there is ..He is correct..we may have lost one lover of America but we still have the other…and it isn’t bambiboy.
Save it dude. We’re not drinking the kool-aid.
PARTY UNITY MY ASS!
When I explained to my Gen-X son that Obama’s tax policies would mean I probably wouldn’t be able to leave him an inheritance……
LOL*
Let me tell you, his tune changed.
lol!
and your gen-x son will need your money if obambi has his way. ’cause obambi’s policies could make your son a poor man who will never be able to retire. i wish far better for your son.
I will never vote for Obama. NEVER.
I want Hillary to fight all the way to the Denver.
All the talking heads, who force fed us Obama until we puked, now want unity. Forget it. Hillary has been trashed and bashed by media, newspapers,etc. I’m sick of them all. Unless Hillary gets the nomination i’m voting for McCain and I hope the hell he beats Obama.
I’ve written a song that best sums up my feelings about things. I thought all of you might enjoy reading the lyrics:
This eagle’s place is in the sky.
She’s still got a lot of flying to do.
You can see it in her eye,
Though she’s cried a bit
For what we’ve put her though.
She’s soared above the lifted lamp
That guards sweet freedom’s door.
In the dews, the damps, the watchfires
Of a nation torn by war.
Oh, she’s far too young to die
You can see it in her eye
She’s not yet begun to fly.
It’s time to let the mighty eagle soar once more.
Let the eagle soar,
Like she’s never soared before.
From rocky coast to golden shore,
Let the mighty eagle soar.
Soar with healing in her wings,
As the land beneath her sings:
‘Only God, no other kings.’
Let the mighty eagle soar.
This country’s far too young to die.
We’ve still got a lot of climbing to do,
And we, we can make it if we try.
Built by toils and struggles
God has led us through.
We’ve fought for freedom dear
both here and on the distant shore
Paid a price a sacrifice
A price you can’t ignore
Oh, we’re far too young to die
We can make it if we try
We’ve not yet begun to fly.
It’s time to let the mighty eagle soar once more.
Let the eagle soar,
Like she’s never soared before.
From rocky coast to golden shore,
Let the mighty eagle soar.
Soar with healing in her wings,
As the land beneath her sings:
‘Only God, no other kings.’
Let the mighty eagle soar.
Let the eagle soar,
Like she’s never soared before.
From rocky coast to golden shore,
Let the mighty eagle soar.
Soar with healing in her wings,
As the land beneath her sings:
‘Only God, no other kings.’
Let the mighty eagle soar.
‘Only God, no other kings.’
Let the mighty eagle soar.
QUIT RIPPING OFF OTHER PEOPLES WORK.
Please forgive me!
Please forgive me
If I act a little strange
For I know not what I do.
Feels like lightning running through my veins
Everytime I look at you
Everytime I look at you
Help me out here
All my words are falling short
And there’s so much I want to say
Want to tell you just how good it feels
When