Instead of Celebrating, Markos Promotes Bitterness and Misleads Readers (Update)
By Deb Cupples on June 5, 2008 at 2:15 PM in Current Affairs
Written on June 4, 2008 || Buck Naked Politics
I understand that Daily Kos’s Markos Moulitsas has been emotionally invested in Barack Obama’s campaign. It shows in what Markos writes in (and omits from) his blog posts. I understand that Markos disagrees with Hillary Clinton on some issues — though, obviously not an overwhelming number of issues, as Hillary ’s and Obama’s U.S. Senate voting records are very similar.
Tonight, Obama hit the magic delegate number (Time via Memeorandum). Markos should be happily celebrating and — one would hope — touched by the generosity of spirit that often comes with victory.
Instead, Markos is still bashing Hillary and using disprovable statements to do it.
About Hillary’s speech last night, Markos wrote:
"’No decisions tonight.’"
"She hasn’t said one nice thing about Obama.
"It’s all about her. Period. There is nothing else that matters."
Actually, Hillary said several nice things about Obama, as reflected in the part of her speech quoted below:
"I want to start tonight by congratulating Senator Obama and his supporters on the extraordinary race that they have run. Senator Obama has inspired so many Americans to care about politics and empowered so many more to get involved, and our party and our democracy is stronger and more vibrant as a result.
"So, we are grateful, and it has been an honor to contest these primaries with him, just as it is an honor to call him my friend. And tonight, I would like all of us to take a moment to recognize him and his supporters for all they have accomplished."
Admittedly, Hillary devoted the first three sentences of her speech to thanking the audience and South Dakota. But she began praising Obama directly after those first three sentences, which took about 30 seconds (see video at No Quarter).
Perhaps Markos simply turned off the tube while Hillary was still speaking her first three sentences. Perhaps he just failed to catch all the nice stuff.
Of course Hillary talked about herself and her candidacy: she’s a candidate addressing her supporters. But that wasn’t all she talked about.
She devoted significant portions of her speech to talking not only about issues that still face our nation, but also about supporters (both generally and specifically).
She talked about people who need health care and jobs. She talked about school children and teachers who need more resources. She talked about families that need better economic opportunities…
Maybe Markos was caught up in a distracting activity while listening to Hillary’s speech and missed the other things (besides herself) that Hillary spoke of.
Maybe Markos didn’t listen at all and instead merely assumed that Hillary couldn’t possibly speak nicely of Obama or focus on anything but herself.
Why not criticize Hillary’s speech without wasting time listening to it? The Kos readers who love Obama (or hate Hillary) likely wouldn’t bother checking Hillary’s speech for themselves to see if Markos’ assessment was accurate.
I don’t know Markos, but I’ve read some of his posts over the years. I’ve agreed with him about issues such as the Iraq war and government corruption. He strikes me as having a solid progressive streak, despite his bellicose support of Obama and hatred of Hillary.
That’s why I’m puzzled by Markos’ fact-free response to Hillary’s speech. I expect fact-free (even downright dishonest) statements from Rush Limbaugh — who has for years proclaimed absolute falsehoods with absolute conviction, often followed by the statement "I’m not making this up, folks."
When people like Markos resort to Rush Limbaugh’s brand of persuasion tactics, it’s time to worry about what’s happened to our nation’s progressive movement.
One way you can judge Obama as a politician and a person is to see what he draws out of his supporters.
In my opinion, Obama, like Bush, turns his followers into blithering idiots as they struggle to justify their earlier, transcendent rhetoric about Obama with the tawdry reality which remains.
Bush ruined many very smart people by association with him. Obama has done the same. Josh Marshall, John Aravosis, Kos, et. al.—they will never have 1/10th the credibility they had just 1 year ago.
add Rachel Maddow and Air America. I hope they go belly up!!
Incredible link to Michelle’s Whitey Remarks transcript included, read to the end! You won’t believe it!!!
Delete this filth
It’s a link to a fawning pro-Obama diary at DK.
I need to throw up now.
you have the guts to call that story filth?
Have you people lost your soul? Have you no concious anymore? You really think you’re democrats? You dare criticize other Democrats for wanting honest Progressive Reform regardless of the water carrier accomplishing it?
What a stupid story! Does dailyKos post such innane stupidities?
Well I’d call it more naive, puppy-love fawning than filth, but it is nausea inducing.
The key words in your last sentence are “honest” and “Progressive”. Obama is neither.
Honest progressive reform from a man who has a man on working on his campaign who was a chief lobbyist for the telecommunications industry pushing to give the industry blanket immunity for spying on U.S. citizens without a warrent?
Does that pass the smell test?
How progressive is it to tout the importance of good paying union jobs and then not even raise the topic of job loss to the owner of a large Maytag plant in your own home district? Obama got alot of money from the Crowne family who owned that Maytag plant and moved the jobs to China. Obama was asked by the Maytag union representative to raise the issue with the family. Obama promised that he would. He lied.
How about Obama’s voting in favor of John Roberts as Chief Justice? How about is vote for Dick Cheney’s energy bill. How about the fact that when Obama was in the Illinois Senate, he helped weaken laws that would require nuclear power companies to be forced to clean up any messes that they made.
Does your ignorant ass even know what the term “progressive” even means?
What can you expect from people who are following Marxists? They think that’s being a Democrat.
Good post. The biggest fallacy about Obama is that he is a progressive. When the candidate that I supported withdrew from the primary contest, it was Hillary that captured my support because she was the more progressive candidate. Her health care and environmental proposals were so much better than Obama’s and her Senate record on trade issues is somewhat better. I really believe that most Obama supporters (should Obama win the presidency) are going to be incredibly disappointed.
Good reply.
Go Hillary!
Tell it Brother!
Say it like it is. I hear all this Hillary bashing and when I raise any questions about the issues you raise in connection with Obama’s ‘career’ I get one of two reactions:
Rage…
(((((((((((((((crickets)))))))))))))
From what we know of the good Senator at this minute he would appear to be a worse bet than Bush was.
And that’s damn scary.
I got called a racist…by a white guy no less for even bring it up.
First time for evrything. I am appaulded at where the issue of equility has been pushed in to NOI realms of decruction. Thanks Obama…asshole.
And that’s damn scary, indeed.
Do you honestly think you are going to get progressive reform? Welcome to the real world, sweetie pie. This is the Chicago political machine going national and they are willing to tell you whatever you want to hear.
There’s been a subtle change in the Hillary Party line. Now its magnanimity with a hint of “we’re sorry,” somewhat like when Stalin removed Beria from the Soviet encyclopeida, and mailed everyone pages about the Bering Strait to replace Beria.
You know far too much about Russian politics… Zbig? Is that you??? Or just one of his henchmen? Your continued fascination with quoting Russian political history really bespeaks of Obama’s string-pullers who have a hard on for that region.
Dudes a declared “socialist/communist” he has posted this declaration a threads back. Yet he is clueless.
“You really think you’re democrats?”
No. I am a registered Independent. I think for myself. Flks liked you showed me the light. I prefer my progressive reform from a more expereinced candidate with a proven track record, not an empty shell of a man crying ‘hope.’
Comment by angry dem | 2008-06-05 14:52:51
stop your crying you lied about the link no one gives a shit about you little punk obamabots.
Obama is not a progressive, he’s a liberal.
He’s also a racist and a sexist. You don’t understand what you are dealing with because you have not been looking for the substance, only the feel good moment from listening to his substanceless speeches.
Obama is not a progressive, he’s a radical liberal.
If you had been looking for substance rather than listening to his substanceless speeches you would have already found this out.
He also does not have a history of reform nor has he displayed a strong sense of ethics. Look at all of the divisiveness he and his surrogates have been stirring up.
Go take a long walk on a short pier. You come on this site and provide a link that has nothing to do with your comments. You should be an Angry Dem…You have learned well from O-Bama….the tricks continue.
angry Dem — if you want Obama than fine — why do you think you need to come on here and convert the rest of us? Go to Huffington or Daily Kos — just leave the rest of us alone.
Yes I not only **think*** I’m a Democrat, I know I’m a Democrat. What I’m NOT is a Marxist like you are.
I read it and would like to vomit right now. I don’t believe a word of it anyway. These Obamatrons are completely beside themselves so mesmerized by their Messiah. It is truly sickening.
I had the misfortune of hearing Evan Bayh(sp) today on MSNBC at lunchtime. On and on he went about how all of us Hillary people will do the right thing in the Fall, that we will definitely change our minds.
What is it about these Obamanuts? Why are they so arrogant to tell us how we are going to respond and react come the Fall? How do they suppose that they KNOW so much about our thoughts and feelings?
Bayh was a Clinton supporter, genius.
Without a doubt, that is the funniest piece of Kool-Aid influenced drivel I ever read. Thanks for the laugh. I truly wonder if those kids at the Daily WacKOS know how brainwashed they sound.
I wonder how many understood that his speech to AIPAC yesterday made him look so much like Bush that George had to check his mirror. So is he lying to get money out of the Jews or lying to get support from the uber liberals? Cuz sure as hell, he’s lying to somebody!
Why did you bother to do that? You’re not funny or witty, and that was a stupid fairy tale story at best. Is this something obamabots feel the need to do for some strange reason? Did you think it changed any minds? This just goes to prove that drinking purple pee will make you dumb as a post and there is no cure. Please, king purple pee “won”, why is it that you drinkers find it so hard to be gracious in any way shape or form? Why have you all become so freaking unhinged by this man? You are the saddest, most pathetic of the freaks I have ever seen. Please, keep your sorry ass over at the big orange grease spot, and stop chasing people around who don’t agree with you.
Deb — didn’t you know that MARKOS IS A LONG-TIME REPUBLICAN! Progressive, his ass. He’s just like Arianna Huffington — an opportunist, hate-spewing ASS who masquerades as a Progressive, because he thinks that he can mold dumbass, idiotic, punk, naive Democrats into his brand of bullsh*t Progressive. It is NOT going to work, Markos.
Kiss my beautiful, Latina, brown *SS!!! I’m NOT VOTING BO and neither are MILLIONS of Latinos.
I would rather not kiss your smelly culo, thank you very much.
Wow, who’s the racist now? Nice going there Sparky.
Just one more reason Latinos hate Obama. How can you blame them.
Oh, look at that. Whitey got street cred. He knows about “culo.” Racist shitbag.
Markos is a major player in dividing this party in half.
He irresponsibly turned his blog into a pit of hate mongering, and personally engaged in race baiting.
His article (disproven) claiming that Hillary Clinton had “darkened” Obama to make him look more “negroid”, at her webiste, was picked up by Rupert Murdoch’s NY Post.
Howard Dean should have put his foot down, but he is indebted to Markos for his present gig.
Just a comment…I would be careful to give Markos that much power…I think we all saw for ourselves what an ass the guy from Chicago really is…all he had to do was open his mouth and start to tell his whoppers…
The fact that you would blatantly misrepresent the content of your link shows that you are every bit as much of a fraud as your Fearless Leader.
If you can’t win people over by being honest and forthright, you might as well call it a day. And it appears that neither you or your candidate is capable of being honest, and that’s why you have alienated people here, and why he will alienate people as we move toward November.
Bamboozler!
You are correct and it is a shame. Such hope for changing the media and they turned into corrupt media themselves.
You are what you eat, after all.
Yes, HuffPo is also still bashing Hillary.
She has nothing else to talk about. Can’t talk about Obama’s accomplishments. He has none. LOL*
Can’t talk about his record. He never really accumulated one.
McCain isn’t nearly as fun as Hillary was to bash.
Watch her site die. (I can’t wait for that one. She’s a slimebag of the first degree.)
MarkL,
You are so right. It was about one year ago that I was attracted to the progressive websites, and I was so impressed. I felt I had finally found truth as I knew it at Daily Kos and TPM. However, since Obama became a canditate they have fallen in love with him (and I do mean love) they are on a mission to promote and defend their lover, spouting hatred against Hillary. I’m over them. Huffington Post is just as bad. I am so dissapointed and disgusted.
again, what is this site here for? to promote and defend their lover hillary right??!! dont you guys spout hatred against obama? hmm.. am i the only one who sees the double standards?
It’s because all non-Obama supporters were chased off those sites back in December, Knucklehead. And damned straight we’re pissed. We left and you assholes stalked us here. Now go back to that viper pit you call a site and leave us be. No Party Unity For YOU!
I used to love Huffpo because they were such an excellent site. Now they’re just Hatepocentral.
Never had much love for dkos, lol. I got thrown out of there for writing a diary on Keith Olberman’s twat cams, you know the spots he used to do because he wanted some of that young fresh white meat but knew he couldn’t get any? He always made sure to tell you that those young women didn’t have panties on! Lmfbao! They were hot about that piece on their boy. I call them the big orange grease spot.
Then there’s Taylor the Martian, girl from another planet. She’s already changed her stripes once, having plugged for Hillary all this time, she finally bit the dust, drank the purple pee and became an obamaton. I suppose when he looks to be losing she’ll switch over to mcshame with her simple self. She’s now Martianland, because you never know with way her wind is going to blow.
Dang, it’s hard to find good help these days, especially ones that don’t go turncoat on you.
They aren’t progressives. They hijacked the term. They are Marxists.
ok, cuz larry doesnt promote bitterness or mislead readers.. HA. you people make me laugh.. have fun kids
We plan to. Thanks!
Hillary is right. He ran an extraordinary campaign. Where else have we ever seen a candidate supported by thieves, thugs, racists, sexists, insane clergymen, ageists and unrepentant domestic terrorists? Extraordinary, indeed.
Hillary is right. He ran an extraordinary campaign. Where else have we ever seen a candidate supported by thieves, thugs, racists, sexists, insane clergymen, ageists and unrepentant domestic terrorists? Extraordinary, indeed.
Germany, 1933.
I’m convinced that Bush’s little brownshirts that pulled those young democrats off the chairs at the convention in 2000 and beat them, are the same folks supporting Obama. They’re like pack animals, running from one cult of personality to the other. Until Ron Paul faded from view, he was their messiah.
Their leaders have different ideaologies, but the supporters have the same thug tactics.
Surprised that genius Parlock hasn’t appeared yet to claim that Hillary’s supporters beat him or his children.
That’s dumb, even for here.
Elect McCain, enjoy the Iran war.
Oh right. Almost forgot about that. geez, a brown hitler. that’s all we need.
lucinda — scary ain’t it.
I agree! The so called “Progressives” have proved they are just as vicicious and narrow minded as the Right-wingers with their incredibly nasty put downs of Hillary Clinton when all she was doing and saying was good policy for Democrats! I, too, have dumped all those websights and Air America. I no longer can listen to unclaimed facts!
Obama STILL has not apologized to her.
The Dem leadership continue to work against her.
They are on their own.
artist, at this point I would regard an apology from that pig as similar to breaking your wife’s jaw and then bringing home flowers and candy later.
artist — if it was me I would have taken my 18,000,000 voters and said bye bye to the Democratic Party. It is interesting to know that the party of human rights has so little respect for women. I will never forgive them for the way they treated Hillary and now all the rest of us women who are being forced into Unity.
Well I don’t blame her. I can’t think of one nice thing about Obama.
LOL!!!! Me, neither.
Did the Kerry and Kennedy endorsements help in MA?
Did the endorsement in RI from Patrick Kennedy help?
did the endorsment in So. Dakota by Tom Daschle help?
who else comes to mind…
It’s frightening that people hear what they want to hear.
Case in point: Hillary’s RFK comment.
People acted like they really heard something different from what the rest of us heard — scary business!
Listen up people. Two things can NEVER happen because we will not allow them to happen:-
1. No Women will ever become the President of the US. Period. The sooner you deal with this the better. Its a dream and will always remain a dream. Be happy with what you have gotten over the last three decades and dont try to get do something you are inherently incapable of.
2. No black ass son of a slave is ever going to rule over the white man. Never.
Proud Conservative.
[SUSANUNPC HERE: I’M TEMPTED TO LEAVE THIS UP SO THAT PEOPLE ARE REMINDED OF THE UGLY FILTH SPEWED BY THE RIGHTWINGERS at SITES such as FREE REPUBLIC. And I know that JOHN and CINDY McCAIN WOUlD BE HORRIFIED BY THIS COMMENT.]
Go f*ck yourself you fraudulent Obama troll.
I would guess you are an obama plant, but just in case you aren’t, you are severely lucky we hate Barack Obama or the old man would go down in November. As it stands today, you are nothing short of lucky puppies. Now go measure your little penis because it’s my experience that men who pull the crap you just pulled have a measure-up problem in front of the other guys in the locker room. Your wife left you didn’t she? And you are the only one who doesn’t know why.
Yes. Now go make a sandwich.
McCain 08
Iron my shirt.
And go take out the garbage. Your parents are sick of supporting you.
Uppity Woman
I kindly ask that you not consider the vulgar attack on you by some
dick nodule claiming to be a McCain supporter (McCain 08) to be
typical of McCain supporters.
If your candidate is not in the General Election race, we welcome
you to our side if only for a single election cycle.
Hell Mad, I knew he wasn’t a Republican. Republicans are smart enough to stroke people for votes even if they don’t give a shit about them. Obama people, on the other hand, are McGoverned and are helping you and John McCain more than I could ever help you. As they pee their diapers all over the net, McCain is racking up votes left and right. What a deal hey?
I only hope you are right, Uppity.
For your sake, for mine and for the entire country.
Thanks.
mad vlad — The Republicans who come in here for McCain are such nice people. You can tell his campaign he has the vote of this 3rd generation Democrat. I really admire him.
couldn’t have said it better Uppity…
The little twirp….I heard a rumor the little jerks “equipment” never grew….defect at birth, I think something happened to the brain too…he really isn’t the “brightest” bulb on the tree..
Poor soul…
Thank you for that.
I have always said that what’s the point of being a Republican if you can’t be a racist, misogynistic, homophobic sonofabitch.
It just doesn’t make sense.
That’s no republican. That’s a leachy kid home sucking up the food out of his parents’ fridge while they work.
smilin jack — now you have all those 4 things in Obama–whode a thunk it.
They’re like tribbles. How did the first one make its way here? Why did God make them to begin with? So cute and hopeful, then the evil lurking within…
Markos is just upset that we aren’t falling into place like good little Marxists ducks. I wouldn’t be surprised if they think Obama should be the only one on the ballot in November. After all, it’s not like it isn’t Obama’s style.
Markos and the Orange Kool-Aid Kids are still sore about losing to Lieberman after their success routing him in the Dem primaries with Lamont.
Here’s to yet another loser candidate sponsored by Kos and Kids, Obama!
Yes WestPalm, they do tend to pick losers don’t they? And toss in Donna Brazile’s help and there you have it. She’s yet to pick a winner. In fact, if I were running for something I would ask her NOT to support me.
Uppity Woman:
So true. The part that really makes me laugh is that half the posters demanding we be LOYAL DEMOCRATS are kids who just registered to vote for the first time in the last 6 months.
Hahaha. I know. Adults don’t let children pick presidents.
Hey guys, Sean Hannity is publicizing all Evelyn Pringle’s investigative stuff on Rezko/Obama on the air right now.http://www.wabcradio.com/Article.asp?id=122651
Hannity?
My GOD, now you’re touting Hannity… your “electoral maps” come from Karl Rove….
Were you ever democrats at all, or is this an agent provocateur thing?
So what? Who cares what that tiny male says about anything.
I left kos months ago because of this hatred.
Obama is a sore loser and a sore winner-aptly reflected in dkos rhetoric and Markos’ silly, silly posts.
Did you know that orange is the color of madness?
obama won last time i checked. how can you say he’s a sore loser?
why does Obama act like a sore loser? Could it be in winning he has destroyed the Democratic Party and he is angry at us because we see through him. Just asking……
Why are you angry if that is true?
When you command a mic, maybe someone will listen to YOU. You are not wanted here.
Uppity, Susan, West Palm, etc etc.
Stop wasting your time with empty rhetoric,
sign up and join:
That’s what you have been saying for days…go for it
Prodem:
And you point is?
LOL!
Thanks for the link, dude. I just signed up.
Hannity is pulling out the plugs and airing all BO’s stinky laundry.
I’ve wondered at times if the media seemingly backing of BO was just for this purpose. They now have a junior Senator with very little exposure (relative to Clinton) to vet. There’s probably a little more news somewhere in there than re-airing Clinton’s ghosts.
Obama does not have a chance of becoming President. Once all his past and present connections come out, not only will he lose the election, he will lose his job and probably his house. What goes around . . .
It amazes me how many Obamabots are still bashing Hillary while her supporters are mobilizing against Obama in the general election. It’s like they’re caught in the Obama-created “We Hate Hillary” Matrix.
Here are exerpts from an article about New York counties going for McCain.
“Do not assume that the constituency that votes for Clinton automatically falls into place,” Zimmerman cautioned. “Every nominee has to work hard to appeal to the voters.”
A Clinton team member on hand at her end-of-primary gathering in Manhattan last night, who declined to be identified, specifically foresaw difficulties for Obama “in Suffolk, Staten Island, parts of upstate.” Pennsylvania and New Jersey could be in play, several Clinton supporters warned privately last night
http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/nation/ny-usjani045712946jun04,0,4775080.story
Of course they are still caught in the hating. That’s all it’s ever been about for them.
I simply can’t wait until they turn it on McCain. Watch the ageism blossom and flourish. The progressives….*cough*….are all about hate.